California Controller to Pols: No Pay for You!
California Controller John Chiang has announced that legislators will not be getting paid under a recently approved ballot initiative that requires the legislature to meet its June 15 budget deadline. the Sac Bee's Kevin Yamamura reports:
In doing so, the Democratic controller is exercising unprecedented authority Tuesday, establishing a new role for his office under Propositions 25 and 58 to determine whether a legislative budget is "balanced."
Chiang has determined that the majority-vote plan Democrats sent to Gov. Jerry Brown last week was not a "balanced" budget and therefore did not meet lawmakers' constitutional obligation for timely passage of a spending plan, sources said. Brown immediately vetoed the budget Thursday, less than 16 hours after passage, dubbing it "not a balanced solution" and noting that it relied on legally questionable solutions.
Brown's veto had no effect on legislative pay. But questions raised by Brown and Treasurer Bill Lockyer about the plan's viability appeared to force Chiang's hand, and the controller said he would review the proposal to determine whether it was balanced.
As reported here, here, here, and here, last week's eleventh-hour budget vote was immediately vetoed by Gov. Jerry Brown, who denounced the Democrats-only budget as full of "smoke and mirrors." Under the California Balanced Budget Act, Chiang must determine whether revenues meet or exceed expenditures. A spokesman for Chiang's office tells me the plan voted on and vetoed last week was "miscalculated, miscounted or unfinished."
As signs began to point toward a pay-stoppage yesterday, Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg raised an objection on separation-of-powers grounds that to my eye seemed credible if not persuasive. Although it's true that Chiang is not part of the governor's team (he had a fairly contentious relationship with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger), he is part of the executive branch. Prop 25, which established the payroll penalty for an overdue budget, does not describe the process by which the budgetary work of the legislature gets reviewed, and it seems clear to me that if Jerry Brown had signed the budget last week the pay cut would not have happened.
Chiang spokesman Garin Casaleggio says the controller's move is not unprecedented. "Expenditures have to be less than revenues," Casaleggio says. "The controller can only make the determination that revenues will exceed expenditures. That's a requirement in the state constitution. In this budget, revenues were less than the expenditures."
To my objection that last year Schwarzenegger signed a gimmicky budget that had to be revisited subsequently as costs turned out to be higher and revenues lower, Casleggio replies: "Budgets can fall out of balance. But at the time it's passed it has to balanced."
I can see that logic but am still a bit troubled by the idea of too much executive review of legislative process. But I'm not going to let that spoil the fun of seeing California's grotesque politicians go hungry. Casaleggio says his office is equipped to handle the pay stoppage, and will not have the payroll system issue that came up last year when Schwarzenegger sought across-the-board temporary reductions for state employee pay. "The checks get sent out on the 30th of the month," he says. "We are not going to cut the checks."
Update: Chiang's statement on his decision. Also, a more thorough reading of the section of the state constitution amended by Prop 25 eases most of my separation-of-powers concerns above:
Article 4, Section 12(g)…the Legislature may not send to the Governor for consideration, nor may the Governor sign into law, a budget bill that would appropriate from the General Fund, for that fiscal year, a total amount that, when combined with all appropriations from the General Fund for that fiscal year made as of the date of the budget bill's passage, and the amount of any General Fund moneys transferred to the Budget Stabilization Account for that fiscal year pursuant to Section 20 of Article XVI, exceeds General Fund revenues for that fiscal year estimated as of the date of the budget bill's passage. That estimate of General Fund revenues shall be set forth in the budget bill passed by the Legislature.
So there really isn't any constitutional ambiguity around having the controller's office make this determination. The legislature is not allowed under the constitution to pass an unbalanced budget. Prop 25, which I opposed and virtually all the Democrats supported, has now come around to bite the Democrats and amuse me.
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The budget isn't balanced, mkay?
Kieth Olbermann intentionally ran his show for 63 minutes so it would bleed into Maddow's 9pm time slot, ticking off all three of the people who watch both of those programs. What a jerk.
And O'Donnell trying to keep his 3 audience members actually did a sorta pro-Ron Paul segment.
But I'm not going to let that spoil the fun of seeing California's grotesque politicians go hungry.
As much as it would please to watch said California politicians have to actually go get a second job, I'm pretty sure that none of them are in any danger of missing any meals because of this.
I could be wrong, but I would imagine the Union backed dems in office will just go hit up sugar daddy for some more beans.
Tman|6.21.11 @ 3:49PM|#
"As much as it would please to watch said California politicians have to actually go get a second job, I'm pretty sure that none of them are in any danger of missing any meals because of this."
Probably not, but they'll probably have to float some paper to get through. It's not that any of them have shown the least skill in managing finances.
Controller or Comptroller?
Business or Government*
*Generally speaking
Andre has a red flag
Chiang Ching's is blue
They all have hills to fly them on
Except for Lin Tai Yu
Dressing up in costumes
Playing silly games
Hiding out in tree-tops
Shouting out rude names
Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside
Krieg muss man schwenzen, spiel ohne grenzen.
Thought this would happen. Will the legislators sic their lawyers, or finally try to get something done?
Probably a bit of both.
YAAAAAA! Asian people represent!
ugh. IIRC, while I have to applaud Chiang for this, can't say he's perfect.
Did the spokesman actually use this wording? If so, what a bad idea, using a phrase that also has an idiomatic meaning the opposite of what he meant.
"Cutting" a check means writing one.
Yes, I know, that was my point, that's the idiom. However, it could be taken the other way as well.
If my boss told me that he was cutting my paycheck this month, I would certainly ask for clarification.
Why can't California just send them IOUs?
^^yes!
IIRC, prop 25 said the pay was lost, not just postponed. Can't be made up. Therefore WeDontOweThem.
I find it amusing that Controller Chiang was unable to make the necessary accounting changes to reduce state worker pay when the Governator was in office, but he can stop pay to the legislators temporarily? Maybe.
Chiang's been grasping for more authority ever since he got the job. Refusing to follow the law and actually cut state worker pay made him a champion of the unions. Now, cutting off checks to the legislature (rightly or not) makes him a hero of the proletariat. I see a campaign for lt governor, or even governor, in his sight.
Maybe the pols will form or join a state employee union, to insure that they have a strong advocate against their uncaring management -- a.k.a. the people of California -- in this wage dispute.
While the implications of the executive Controller lording over the legislature, which should be where the power of the purse begins and ends, is troubling, I still get the warm fuzzies from seeing someone stick a finger in the California legislature's collective eye.
Yeah. If only he had to stop paying everyone.
If you have a balanced budget amendment, does the power of the purse really begin and end purely with the legislature? Don't you need *some* kind of external check that it's balanced as required?
What is best in life?
To crush the legislature,
to see them groveling before me,
to hear the lamentations of their women.
Don't you wonder why the last guv didn't do that?
Personally I like the soft toilet tissue
Hilarious.
One management lesson the legislators should take from this: completing a process by a deadline is supposed to include getting the necessary approvals by that deadline. Otherwise you haven't really completed the process.
I wonder whether they or I am more stunned that someone had the balls to try to hold them accountable to any standard at all.
The legislators will only care if their pensions are touched.
Stranger danger! Stranger danger!
If this actually happens, I will be most amused. I still fear that somehow, shenanigans will occur to keep the checks flowing.
I am in control.
I read something recently that 80% of the Legislature's members live paycheck to paycheck. If that's true, this really couldn't happen to nicer people.
I had a friend who was in the legislature in Florida. Not sure what his exact salary was, but it was in the $20,000s. I think it's $30K now. Not living on that salary, I don't think.
As of 2007 (the estimate that's closest to hand), CA legislators make over $113,000 a year. And that's not counting the per diems they get when they're in session. So they really have no one else to blame if they can't get by on their salaries.
Say, I wonder how that freedom index for the states correlates to state pay? Florida pays shit and ranks 11th. California pays much more and ranks low 40s, right?
To be fair, I think a Florida Senate seat pays better than the Florida House.
Legislature pay, if I wasn't being clear.
Good question. Don't legislators in NH make like $150 a year?
Dollars? If so, there's one vote for--NH ranked numero uno.
OK, I looked it up: NH lawmakers make $200 a year.
Yeah, but they're paid in gold eagles at $50.00 face value, so that's more like $4500 in fiat money.
I thought they used Shire Silver in NH.
Sorry, that would be four (4) eagles, current value $6,190 or so.
Someone should map the average legislative pay with the freedom ranking and see what it gets us. Could it be that simple?
Here's the 2010 compensation data. The project is slightly more complicated if you have to factor in all the per diems.
Just glancing at it, there does appear to be some correlation, though I see some exceptions.
Can we get a Reason editor to take this on? Seriously? I see some interesting hay to be baled here.
Even to the extent that these salaries are high due to "cost of living" issues, it's hard not to suspect that some states are ungodly expensive in part because of their anti-market, statists ways.
Not that 100k goes far in CA. Wife would probably still need to work.
That doesn't count the graft. Or the free cars they got until very recently.
I fear that we'll have to pretend that it doesn't exist for this exercise. Too bad, because I bet the correlation would be even stronger with graft dollars in the mix. After all, no one is going to bother bribing a politician who can't do much for you.
100K is more than sufficient for Sacramento, even if you're trophy wife refuses to work. No, you're not going to live in a McMansion, but you can still do exceedingly well on that salary.
Kroneborge|6.21.11 @ 6:24PM|#
"Not that 100k goes far in CA. Wife would probably still need to work."
Depends on where in CA, and I have a feeling that there are things that you and me would pay for that the politicos don't.
I'm guessing this only impact their salary and not other payments they get. Like this, from the Feb 19, 2010 OCR:
Ins and outs of legislative per diem
February 19, 2010|by BRIAN JOSEPHFor every day that they work at the state Capitol in Sacramento, state lawmakers are eligible to receive a $141.86 per diem. They're also eligible for it on days when they only drive through the parking garage in the Capitol basement and on days when they're not in Sacramento at all.
Essentially, the only time when lawmakers aren't eligible for per diem is when the Legislature is on an extended break
Roughly $1,000 a week, tax free. I do agree, though, that Chiang could stand to fatten up a bit so there's that.
Our guys also get paid for, what, 60 days of session and maybe 25 more committee days? Its a seasonal job. They can pick tomatoes and strawberries all summer if they get desperate enough.
I am not, in any sense, advocating a pay increase for members of the Florida legislature. I'm just noting that they need other sources of income to live on.
How much I would like to see their pay suspended, the determination should come from their own legislative rules of order.
The determation comes from Prop 25: if the budget isn't balanced by 6/15, the law says they don't get paid. What Steinberg is suggesting is that the governor could just use the Controller's office to withhold lawmakers' pay for the guv's political ends. But that's not what's happening here.
I don't think Prop 25 says the budget has to be balanced, but the CA constitution does say the budget should be balanced.
That's right, my bad. Prop 25 says the Leg forfeits pay if they don't meet their deadline for passing the budget. Chiang's conclusion is that the budget they passed was unconstitutional due to being out of balance. The argument seems to be that the Leg can't send a joke budget to the Governor for the sole purpose of keeping their salaries.
Good argument. Unconstitutional laws are void ab initio. The same rule should apply to budgets, so when they passed an unconstitutional budget, they didn't pass anything.
And if they are going to override the veto of the budget they sent to the governor, they will need 2/3rds in the Assembly and Senate to do so. Submitting a completely new budget would be admitting they were gaming the system.
I understand, but more general speaking, I think the legislature should regulate itself, including possible rules for balanced budgets.
There's should, and then there's is.
California is a great example of what is being nowhere close to what should be.
BTW, the Sac Bee has the lawmakers' reactions here. In particular, the huffing and puffing from Ron Calderon, Mike Gatto, and Bob Blumenfield are comedy gold.
I agree with Gatto on one thing: This state is run like a banana republic.
Blumenfield is hilarious: After he spent all last week talking about what a solid budget this was, with no nitpicking about the legality of the five new taxes, now he's a stickler for a controlling legal authority.
I like Calderon's response: It's not fair to say we're full of crap. We've been full of crap for years.
I was worried that since the threat of no pay was enacted, that legislators there would try to pass something,anything, even an abomination, just to keep the gravy flowing. Yet to be impressed until I see some CA lawmaker on the news begging for his pay.
Yet to be impressed until I see some CA lawmaker on the news begging for his pay.
Oh please God, this.
Pols shouldn't get paid anyways. Reasonable job related expenses that are capped should be covered and that's it.