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Activists for the Poor vs. the Poor

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Last week, Michael Moynihan reported on a Whole Foods protest in the Jamaica Plains neighborhood in Boston in which activists defended local residents who never really asked to be defended, and in fact seemed okay with the store.

The Washington Business Journal reports on a similar fight over Walmart in D.C., where a consortium of activist groups have issued a long list of demands, including:

  • Pay every employee the D.C. living wage, currently $12.50 per hour.
  • Provide $50 a month in public transportation subsidy to every employee.
  • Employ at least 65 percent of its D.C. employees on a full-time basis.
  • Not ask job applicants about previous criminal convictions.
  • Use project labor agreements to construct its stores.
  • Fund all infrastructure improvements made necessary by its stores.
  • Provide free shuttle transportation to and from the nearest Metro station to each D.C. store every 10 minutes.
  • Commit to traffic alleviation studies.
  • Provide up to 2.5 free or low-priced parking spaces per 1,000 square feet of building space.
  • Provide secure, accessible bicycle parking, car sharing and bike sharing for workers and shoppers.
  • Not sell firearms or ammunition.
  • Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.
  • Abide by a "code of conduct with regard to its employees' freedom to choose a voice on the job without interference."
  • Fund workforce training programs for D.C. residents, and use training programs as its primary avenue for hiring D.C. residents.
  • Hire at least 40 percent of its employees at each store from the ward in which the store is located.
  • Make "ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders" that will provide incentives and support to local small businesses.
  • Make ongoing payments for community funds controlled by "community advisory councils" for education and faith-based programs.

Meanwhile, the Washington City Paper points out that the actual residents living in the ward where one of the first of the four planned Walmarts is set to go up appear to be pretty excieted about the idea. The clash between poor people and the activists who claim to speak for them was also on display when Walmart tried to set up shop in Chicago, as I pointed out in a Daily Beast article a couple years ago.

In Chicago in 2006, a proposed Wal-Mart store met with fierce opposition from groups critical of its labor practices—a position just reiterated by Mayor Richard Daley. So instead, Wal-Mart opened in Evergreen Park, one block outside the Chicago city limits. The store received 24,500 job applications for just 325 positions, and now generates more than $1 million per year in taxes for the small town…

(Hat tip: Nick Cheolas)

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  1. I didn’t see my demand for a pony on the list.

    I want a pony!

    1. Your pony is not ready yet, you lazy, impatient American, what do you think this is, McDonalds?

    2. Pony?!? PONY!!!!??
      mean spiritied republican!!!! – nothing but unicorns, in diverse colors, with rainbow shooting asses! (and by asses I don’t mean donkeys!)
      ponys! thats just crazy talk – what is this, Somalia????

      1. A unicorn is no use to me.

        You have to be a virgin to ride one.

        1. Yeah but i hear the unicorns aren’t as picky about what they ride.

  2. I assume these people have used their ideas successfully in their own businesses. I’d like to see some examles.

    1. Every day brings more confirmation that activists, progressives, liberals..by whatever name…are the functional equivalent of your smart-aleck 17 year. Always ready to tell others how things ought to be, yet utterly clueless on how Dad makes the money appear.

      1. “But there are plenty of checks in the checkbook!”

      2. The beauty of national socialism. Yup, you can keep your private property, but only if it’s used to benefit society. And because the government is chosen by the society, we really mean that use of your property has to benefit the government.

        Fascism: If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em, by seizing their property.

  3. I’m shocked they didn’t ask WalMart to provide unicorns that shit rainbows.

    1. I’m shocked they didn’t ask WalMart provide unicorns that shit rainbows

      It’s in subsection C line 4R-2, right after the part about creating a “Reparations for Slavery & Indian Genocide Fund”, and how the store has to offer produce for free every year on Ceasar Chavez Day.

      1. …and free oil & gas on Hugo Chavez day.

        1. … and free tacos and burritos Aquiles Chavez day.

          1. And free kicks in the balls for Hormel Chavez day.

            1. …I see what you did there.

  4. WTF does “choose your own voice” mean?

    When engaging in extortion it helps to have comprehensible demands, dickweeds.

    1. I’m sure it means union organizing.

      1. That’s what it means. Though I’m reasonably sure it actually means “we want the employees to be unionized, regardless of whether the employees themselves want to be unionized”

      2. Oh, OK.

        I couldn’t decide if it was that, or if they wanted transvestites to be allowed to express themselves as female employees, or if they wanted African-Americans to be allowed to speak ebonics to customers and not forced to speak English.

      3. I thought it meant your own personal spokesperson. I am schizophrenic, so I will take 1 hot 20 year old Asian, I hot 20 year old Latina, 1 hot phat 20 year old black girl, and just to be diverse, 2 hot 19 year white girls, a blond and a brunette for variety…
        Oh, and I want a striped unicorn.

    2. This is a nice Walmart you ‘ave ‘ere, Colonel; sure ‘ate to see somethin’ ‘appen to it, aye?

      1. Things break, don’ they, Colonel.
        Me brother’s clumsy sometimes.

        1. I always love the “some union members are thugs so all unions are thugs” stuff. Remind me to use that logic on the next gun nut thread!

          1. Referencing an old Python skit about shakedowns when commenting on an actual attempted shakedown. I can see how one has no relevance to the other.

          2. Cite your counterexamples.

            1. What kind of insane comment is this? You think all union members engage in or approve of violence? You guys are too insane to caricature.

              1. You really need to relax about references to Monty Python skits after someone uses the word “extortion”.

              2. Let’s not pretend the only choices are ‘all’ vs. ‘one or two isolated incidents’. Surely you can’t be that naive about union tactics.

                1. Naive or deliberately obtuse ?

                2. Unions, like any organization with millions of members, certainly contain some thugs.

                  1. As someone who has to regularly deal with unions in my line of work, it is certainly more than just ‘some’.

                  2. When I was working at a steel mill where the USWA provided the labor, there was a time, shortly after I was hired, we thought thee was going to be a strike.

                    My boss gave me a tour of the areas around my mill showing me which spots had good cover against snipers, and which were exposed to fire.

                    This was based on his own experiences at the last strike.

                    At the same time, in Mansfield, AK Steel had a strike. The cops stood by and allowed the union workers to do all kinds of nasty shit. Fortuately, the salaried guys were filming it, and the city ended up paying millions in damages for allowing the rampage to continue. Despite that, the non-union workers had to be bused in on armored buses, and a friend of mine was run off the road in an attempt to send his car into a deep gully that would likely have killed him.

                    I personally was followed around by a guy repeatedly slapping a heavy wrench into a glove after I helped quantify a fraud scheme being run by the union that was bilking the company out of 25K of undeserved incentive pay a week for the crews.

                    I can’t speak about other unions, but the USWA was definitely pretty violent.

                    1. Well, yeah, but that’s just anecdotal evidence of a few isolated incidents.

                    2. Sounds like the work of one, maybe two, bad apples.

                    3. I worked for the company that provided IT support at AKSteel in Mansfield in the middle of that lockout. They shot at the office on the plant, terrorized the children of execs at their school bus stop, slashed my tire, busted out my side window and generally made life miserable. My company had that support contract before all the nonsense started and since I was unwilling to quit my job to support them, I was the enemy. I know very well what unions, and the steelworkers in particular are like. This “oh its just a couple of bad apples” defense is a bunch of crap.

              3. only a few Nazis engaged or approved of violence.

                only a few Communists engaged or approved of violence.

          3. Riddle me this, fuckface, you ever hear a union denounce violence? If so, you’d better provide a link or it didn’t happen.

            1. If I find one example and post it will you agree to post as Lord of the Idiot Hasty Generalizers for the next thirty days?

              1. Sure. As long as it is UNION violence they are condeming.

                Good luck.

                  1. Both links are to union spokesman denouncing ‘protestors’ in general terms, and not specifically any union or union activity.

                1. What will you wear for your coronation?

                  http://www.thefreelibrary.com/…..a057885718

                  1. This link is to union denouncing violence against the union, not denouncing violent tactics by union.

                  2. wow, this is fucking terrifying. You don’t at all see the veiled threat behind this “condemnation”? From the article, the James Hoffa quote: “The fact of the matter is, Overnite bears a heavy responsibility here: Overnite started this strike by committing massive unfair labor practices against its workers and Overnite can end this strike at a moment’s notice with a binding agreement to stop its lawless behavior.”

                    I.e., “of COURSE this terrible offense wasn’t committed by teamsters… but i mean, this type of stuff would clearly stop if Overnite just ceded to our terms”.

                    I’m refining the terms of this bet: Find a condemnation of union violence by a union, that isn’t also a veiled threat.

                2. googled “unions denounce union violence”, and got some hits about unions denouncing alleged violence against unions. Nothing about unions denouncing their own violence.

                  1. If ol’ Fuckface had a lick of sense, he’d let it rest. But I say since he’s had three strikes, he’s out there.

                    1. *chirp, chirp…*

          4. Gee, missed the whole kerfuffle about union apologists and members advocating violence just a few days ago, didn’t you? I’m pretty sure it was discussed right here and you were there in the thread.

            1. *bzzt* *zzzsst* *crackle*

          5. I always love the “some union members are thugs so all unions are thugs” stuff.

            Well, replace “some” with “many” and your statement is actually accurate.

            1. I know. Allofasudden, that collective responsibility for the actions of groups you belong to voluntarily somehow . . . . evaporates.

              1. That principle of collective guilt for the actions of a few only applies to ratbaggibg teafuckers, don’t you know. Or anyone else who is not on the right team.

    3. Orwell would’ve loved that one.

    4. It means you should be able to speak in a falsetto.

  5. I’m pretty excieted about the Wal-Mart, too!

  6. I can’t wait to see all the ridiculous libertarian responses to these ridiculous liberal demands.

    1. At least we get the irrelevant troll comment without any waiting.

      1. Give in to its demands!

  7. Why isn’t making quality merchandise available at lower prices considered an amazingly noble thing to do for poor people?

    Isn’t that what poor people need most?

    Why aren’t these protestors demanding that Wal*Mart make quality merchandise available to poor people at lower prices?

    It’s because Wal*Mart already does that better than anyone else, isn’t it?

    Or is it because one of the founding organizations behind the “Living Wages Healthy Communities Coalition” is The United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 400?

    So is it safe to say that the UFCW Local 400 doesn’t care if poor people don’t get access to quality merchandise at lower prices–so long as UFCW Local 400 members are still getting their pockets lined?

    They sure don’t seem to care about lowering poor people’s cost of living in D.C.; they just seem to care about making sure their union members continue to be overpaid!

    1. Dude, I dislike the anti-Wal-Mart hysteria on the left but in only very rare cases would I describe Wal-Mart’s products as “quality merchandise.”

      1. The Wal-Mart I shop at has all the name brands, so the quality of their merchanise seems fine to me.

        1. If Wal-Mart products meet your needs then good for you.

          Have fun at the next tractor pull.

          1. ad hominem much ?

            1. More than most. It’s what mental midgets do.

              1. I guess you miss the irony of a post insulting people for ad hominens in which you call people mental midgets.

                1. Calling YOU a mental midget is not an ad hominem attack. It is a specific remark about your lack of brain power.

            2. Please don’t cry. If you do though Wal-Mart sells Kleenex brand tissues for that. See, they do carry all the quality brands!

              1. I’m better than you rubes because I choose to pay more for the same every day products.

              2. Oh dear Muffy, this minge fellow thinks Kleenex is a quality brand. Hmph, poor fellow.

          2. We’re talking about poor people here.

            Your class snobbery doesn’t mean Wal*Mart isn’t making better merchandise available to poor people at lower prices.

            Believe me, the problem with being poor is that you don’t have access to merchandise at lower prices–not that class snobs will look down on you for buying your clothes at Wal*Mart.

            1. If you want to say Wal-Mart makes products available to poor people for a low price then I agree. I actually think that is a good thing about Wal-Mart. Poor people need a place to shop with low prices.

              But that doesn’t mean they provide “quality merchandise.”

              1. Poor people need a place to shop with low prices.

                So they can save money to attend the next tractor pull?

                1. Those tractor pulls are expensive. And the price of tobacco flavored cotton candy at them is at an all time high!

                  1. If you want the clown nose to hide your face, make it bigger.

              2. The ammo I buy there is a reputable brand, shoots just fine, and is generally cheaper than anywhere else. Same with the rifle I bought from them. Does that fit in with your preconceived notions about tractor pulls?

                1. Er, well, oh hell, low hanging fruit, not gonna bother

                2. I frequently buy micro brews there, since they are 2-5 bucks cheaper for a half rack than Albertson’s. Plus checkout is faster, and my time has a value too.

                  1. Checkout is fast at a WalMart? Where is this?

                    1. WA state. We have self checkout here. It’s awesome.

                    2. Self Check Out is always way slower. Unless in WA people are efficient self-checkers.

                    3. Seriously. I can brew a beer faster than buying it at Wal-mart even if I didn’t have to drive to the next state to buy beer at a Wal-mart.

              3. Quality really can’t be separated from price. To me, my Seiko watch, going on 25 years old, bought for 60$, accurate to within 2 seconds per year, is of far higher quality than a Rolex, which is no more accurate or reliable, and functions only as a status symbol.

                Are the 4 dollar t-shirts at WalMart less long lasting than 30$ Nike t-shirts? Yup, but I would say the better value is the cheap lasting 4 dollar t-shirt (does the king of England hand down t-shirts?)

              4. Whats your definition? & pick a category.

                In food, for instance, they often rank higher than smaller ‘local’ supermarkets in produce quality, according to independent studies looking at the category. Im talking irrespective of cost entirely: they are known to often have better fresh foods.

                Next to that, how about any Market Leading Brands ™ they sell at discount? Are P&G products sold at WalMart somehow less Old-Spicey or Tide-y? Does your butt chafe on that cheaper-than-average Charmin?v

                just admit it dude: you’re a snob, and your ‘quality’ definition will ultimately boil down to your own subective preferences, not anything to do with the bang-per-buck value/quality matrix as provided by Mass Merchandisers like WalMart. Sure they sell plenty of ‘cheap’ stuff as well… but cheap is good enough for plenty of people. Nothing wrong with that. For that matter, things made by Ikea are pretty freaking disposable and low-quality… does it matter much to people who want to pay the least possible?

              5. Quality and price are subjective concepts.

                To the homeless, Wal-mart merchandise is of high quality and pricey.

            2. “If Wal-Mart products meet your needs then good for you.

              Have fun at the next tractor pull.”

              I mean, seriously?!

              If all you got to oppose giving poor people access to quality merchandise at lower prices is class snobbery?

              Don’t change a thing! And please, don’t keep your light under a bushel, m-kay?

              I can’t think of anything anyone could do politically that would be better for the cause of capitalism than someone like you running around arguing for unions against Wal*Mart–and using nothing but class snobbery.

              Class snobs making fun of people for being poor and having lower class tastes–all in support of unions?

              You’re too good to be true!

              1. I love, I mean LOVE the “class snobbery” PC police among libertarians. Yummy! You guys make feminists look like the cool kids with that stuff.

                1. “If Wal-Mart products meet your needs then good for you.

                  Have fun at the next tractor pull.”

                  I didn’t write that–you did.

                  I wish someone would say the same thing to the poor people of Washington D.C. who are thinking about whether they want a Wal*Mart in town.

                  Believe me, they aren’t interested into tractor pulls.

                  But your poorer Caucasian crowd in the suburbs might be! I’d love for all those would be union members to hear that apparent union supporters think their pastimes are something to be ashamed of.

                2. All my clothes have designer labels. That’s how I know they are better even though they are made in the same third world sweatshops.

          3. I’ll have to agree with MNG’s assessment — bought a bicycle for my daughter at WalMart and it was just crap, breaking down constantly. Junked it and bought a quality bike elsewhere.

            CursedCo generally has better stuff.

            WalMart does have the cheapest bunny food around, but not really worth making the trip and dealing with the horrendous traffic in the parking lot just for that.

            The place is always packed, though, so clearly they are delivering value to lots of other people, just not for me.

            1. “I’ll have to agree with MNG’s assessment — bought a bicycle for my daughter at WalMart and it was just crap, breaking down constantly. Junked it and bought a quality bike elsewhere.”

              If you had been to poor to buy a bike elsewhere, do you think you could have managed to fix your daughter’s bike?

              What should people who can’t afford to buy bikes elsewhere do for their kids if there isn’t a Wal*Mart around? Go without ever buying their kids a bike?

              1. Don’t be ridiculous. Poor people don’t need Wal*Mart. They need the government to pass a law, requiring rich people to buy bikes for poor kids. Where’s your common sense?

              2. I could have fixed my daughter’s bike myself — if I was willing to buy new inner tubes every couple weeks for the constant flats due to the thin, low quality tires — and the new chain — and the new seat — and the new pedals.

                The effing bike only cost $100, but six months into it I’d spent $200 on repairs, with no end in sight. Even if i was poor and had done all the repair work myself, the cost of the parts made it a bad value. My net outlay after six months was what it cost me to get a good quality bike that has yet to break down at all.

                1. Maybe if she wasn’t practicing for the X-Games…

              3. What should people who can’t afford to buy bikes elsewhere do for their kids if there isn’t a Wal*Mart around? Go without ever buying their kids a bike?

                They should shop somewhere else — Costco, Kmart, whatever — and pay a little more upfront and avoid ending up paying more over time in total costs.

                There is cheap with value, and then there is crap. That bike I bought was crap. They cut corners that shouldn’t have been cut, trying to get that price just below the $100 price point.

                1. You can buy a pretty decent (pretty damned decent) kids bike at Target for $100. Easy.

                2. I’m disappointed that Huffy still hasn’t managed to make a decent bike. I knew they were crap by the time I was 10.

                  Mongoose, baby.

                  1. Mongoose=Huffy=Roadmaster etc.

            2. I agree. Wal*Mart isn’t for me because I think they sell a lot of junk. But if other people want to buy their junk who am I to tell them not to?

          4. “I always love the “some union members are thugs so all unions are thugs” stuff. Remind me to use that logic on the next gun nut thread!”

            “If Wal-Mart products meet your needs then good for you.

            Have fun at the next tractor pull.”

            I love the “everyone that is pleased with the quality of goods purchased at Wal-Mart is a redneck” stuff. Remind me to use that logic on the next elitist bastard thread.

            1. I’m still trying to figure out why Minge thinks tractor pulls are an insult? They’re actually really fun. As are demo derbies and the 4H booths at the county fair. It must be a really sad life to never enjoy a wide range of activities and be stuck in some sort of intellectual elitist rut.

              1. Draft horse pulls ftmfw.

              2. I always thought the draft horse pulls were cooler than the tractor ones.

              3. Agreed. I grew up and moved back to a very small town, but I don’t consider myself an ignorant hick. Several people I know, including myself, love the atmosphere of the county fair, and most of those people have a much better grasp of economics than Minge.

          5. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are pleased to crown MNG Upper-class Twit of the Year!

            1. +1 internetz

          6. Have fun at the next tractor pull.

            “… and now, if you’ll all kindly excuse me: I have to lotion up my ‘tractor’ for a little quick’n’dirty ‘pulling,’ if you take my meaning.”

      2. What the hell, dude. Sure they sell plenty of cheap Chinese made plastic crap, but it’s going to be low quality no matter where you buy it. As for the other stuff, they carry name brands. I shop there frequently.

        1. I get my dog food there, the old roy brand. But most of what they have is indeed cheap Chinese made plastic crap.

          It’s funny, I remember when Wal-Mart used to have and advertise these little Made in the USA stickers on their products. Of course they had American flags on them.

          1. Yeah, those were the days, when we could be proud to say that the cheap plastic crap came from right here in Uhmerika! It’s embarrasing that we don’t make that junk here anymore.

          2. “I get my dog food there, the old roy brand”

            Why do you hate your dog, fuckface?

            1. And why did you name your dog fuckface? It it a tribute to Billy Ripken?

              1. Ah, what wonderful memories of childhood.

            2. They have dog food with meat as the first ingredient for the lowest price. Years ago Consumer Reports rated them highly in that area.

              1. The day I feed my dogs store-bought dogfood is the day I put them all down.

                1. Gobby, technically it is your mom who lets you keep dogs in your house. What you do with your allowance is of course fine.

              2. Poor dog. Hopefully, he/she gets something else in his/her diet besides Ol’Roy. Some of the best things are the beef or lamb rolls at Petsmart or Costco has 3 lb bags of chicken jerky.

          3. Maybe you shouldn’t shop when you’re high, then.

            Wal-Mart isn’t my favorite shopping experience in the world, but they carry all the same brands as Tar-jey and Walgreens. In fact, I got so sick of Target not having what I needed every time I went (the one by me is poorly managed) that I went to Wal-Mart and lo and behold, they were able to provide me with what Target failed to do so.

            Target’s main business goal, currently, seems to be just how much they can piss me off with their shabby stocking skills.

            1. I find it varies drastically by store. Growing up in the suburbs of Chicago, we had a pretty nice Walmart. When I was in college (in quasi-rural, quasi-suburban Indiana) we had a Walmart in town that was really nice. Now that I live on the far South Side, we have a Walmart that sucks donkey balls. I don’t shop there because every time I to I want to shoot myself, and there’s a Target ten minutes away. For me saving a buck or two isn’t worth the frustration of going to a store that apparently has shitty management. But who the fuck am I to tell the thousands of people who shop there that THEY can’t because I don’t want to?

              1. I find it varies drastically by store.

                I think that’s true of most businesses. It shouldn’t be for chains like Target, Kohls and Wal-Mart, but it is.

                But who the fuck am I to tell the thousands of people who shop there that THEY can’t because I don’t want to?

                Well, you could if you were an elitist fuck-tool or union thug looking for some action.

          4. It’s funny, I remember when Wal-Mart used to have and advertise these little Made in the USA stickers on their products. Of course they had American flags on them.

            Bet the flags were made in China

            1. Quality merchandise for MNG, tiny American flags for everyone else!

          5. Old Roy dog food? Talk about low class.

          6. Old Roy’s first few ingredients:

            Ground Yellow Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Soybean Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal, Wheat Middlings, Animal Fat

            Straight from Walmart.com.

            Good luck with that doggie diabetus.

          7. Old Roy. That’s what backyard breeders use. Cuz it’s so fucking cheap. Quality merchandise there MNG. Old Fucking Roy and you look down your cheap snoot at others?

            1. He forces me to subsist on crappy dog food so he can blow all the $$$ he saves on local tractor pulls.

      3. No kiddin’, man. What a dump….

      4. I’m with MNG on this one. Wal-Mart banks on the “This broke, but it’s so inexpensive I’ll just throw this one away and buy another” crowd…

        1. Again, poor people will find that they can afford better merchandise once Wal*Mart moves into town–guaranteed.

          More choices will put downward pressure on prices throughout those submarkets–not just at Wal*Mart.

          And regardless, a middle-class person’s perception of quality doesn’t necessarily transfer to poor people.

          Just because you think you’re too good to wear a $5 t-shirt, doesn’t mean Wal*Mart’s $5 t-shirts aren’t any good.

        2. Not sure where all this hatred for Wal-Mart comes from. I bought an off brand sound system from them and it’s worked great for the last 6 years.

          1. Oh to live in a binary world where you either have syncophantic love for Wal-Mart of obsessive hate. Wal-Mart provides cheap products which are good for poor people. They should be able to open whereever. I just think most of their merchandise is crap (teh horror, teh horrible, horrible class snobbery!).

            Libertarians are often accused of hating the poor so much that they just become almost ejacultory with joy when they think they get to call a liberal on class snobbery, much like conservative euphoria when they think they can call a liberal on racism. It’s yummily hilarious, keep it up guys!

            1. Your air-tight logic and slashing wit have carried the day. Vanquished, I won’t be able to enjoy my tabaccy flavored cotton candy at the tractor pull.

            2. Actually, the reason I like that a WalMart is nearby (right now it’s not b/c I live in DC) is because WalMart has random shit that I sometimes need. I don’t have to hunt around for it or call multiple stores looking for it. I know WalMart has it and probably has it cheap. And I can get it at 1 am on a Wednesday if I have to, along with a basket full of other crap.

            3. Since hypocrisy is the standard curren

            4. You suck when you’re wrong. You get all butthurt and have a hissy fit all over the thread. Actually, I dig it.

              I am very slowly coming to understand how caring about the poor really means buttfucking them every opportunity you get because freedom and self-determination is abhorrent.

      5. Well I guess you must be pretty well off then.

        When’s the last time you were in a Wal*Mart?

        Their groceries are so much worse than what you find elsewhere?

        They sell pretty much everything everybody else does–and inexpensive clothing too.

        No doubt, wealthier people may have more quality to choose from if they want to pay even more, but Wal*Mart competes on quality too just like everybody else does–Wal*Mart’s just more competitive on price than anyone else.

        That’s all.

        Poor people in these neighborhoods will find that they can afford better merchandise once Wal*Mart moves into town–guaranteed.

        1. @Ken – I get my t-shirts free by donating blood, thank you very much! Admittedly I haven’t shopped at Wal-Mart in about 10 years because I don’t like their business practices, but I certainly don’t begrudge someone who does.

          I used to shop there all the time, and while the groceries there might be comparable in quality to other stores, it’s all the other items that tend to be lower quality (furniture, storage containers, automotive accessories, etc.) and will usually wind up in a landfill somewhere.

          1. That’s not free!
            That sounds like interstate commerce to me. Or intravenous, whatever.

        2. Poor people in these neighborhoods will find that they can afford better merchandise once Wal*Mart moves into town–guaranteed.

          Where I live, I would be so happy to have a walmart. Try going to an urban grocery store and buying anything; it’s usually marked up % 40 above walmart prices.

          People like to hammer the “cheap chinese crap” line, and I wonder what kind of dishwashing liquid they buy. Does minge buy some high quality Amurcan soap that is way better than the stuff at walmart?

          What about high quality amurcan made gardening supplies, tools, and supplies? Is there some magic local business where minge lives that sells these things? We have a hardware store nearby that sells the same brands as walmart, but has a high markup and shit customer service, but he’s local…whatever

          /endrant

          1. MNG knows this, since he’s a local boy too, but the UFCW 400 and Giant Foods (a local supermarket chain) colluded and got the Monkey County council to carry their water a few years ago and basically ban Wal-Mart from competing with Giant.

            It was based on square footage, in excess of 80,000 or 100,000 sq ft (can’t recall), but Wal-Mart Superstore was the only company that met the criteria.

            So, fuck Giant and fuck the UFCW.

          2. For gardening tools, I buy cheap foreign crap like Fiskars.

            1. I just buy illegals with good gardening skills.

              1. You can buy ’em? Fuck, I’ve been wasting all this money renting them and letting them go home.

                1. Ska, with the decline in property prices lately, you’re probably better off renting them.

          3. Here’s an article on it:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Jun14.html

      6. Better than the shit at thrift stores, which one suspects aren’t unionized.

      7. My policy regarding WalMart merchandise is:
        If I ingest it, buy it somewhere else.
        If I don’t ingest it, and it doesn’t look like shit, buy it at walmart.

      8. I don’t think Wal-Mart’s goods are necessarily of lower quality than any other store’s, they do tend to be more vulgar than just about any other store’s, apparently as a deliberate marketing choice.

        I can go to Target right now and get a plain black t-shirt.

        If I go to the local Wal-Mart, every last t-shirt they have will say “Brought to you by Carl’s Jr.” or some such shit.

        The Wal-Mart t-shirt and the Target t-shirt are probably of the same quality and are probably the same price, but the Wal-Mart t-shirts are simply unwearable unless you are on your way to an Idiocracy party.

        1. your not gonna git any fat chicks with a plain black t-shirt.
          I prefer the burger king t-shirt with the home of the whopper logo…if you get my drift. (I’ll say to you what I said to her – its a logo,not a legal contract)

          1. these fat chick of which you speak…latina ?

        2. I get all of my plain tees at walmart.

          Well they do have pockets, which might be a bit garish for some.

          1. Maybe they just have really bad Wal-Mart’s and really good Target’s where I am.

            1. Like was said above, it really does vary from location to location.

              The target near us NEVER HAS ANYTHING IN STOCK.

            2. Hmm — after reading the comments it’s obvious that stores vary in quality from store-to-store and region-to-region.

              @Sage — They sell micro-brews in your WalMart!? That fuckin’ floored me when I read it! It’s against the law in Nanny-sota to sell anything other than 3.2 percent old-man piss beer in our WalMarts.

              My friend suggested that I can get a nice martini shaker and set at Target: the downtown location doesn’t stock sets and only sells plastic.

              This was the Target, btw, where the Muslim cashier wouldn’t ring-up my bacon or hand the bag to me after another employee swiped the bacon over the bar code. I told her repeatedly “You’re not touching the bacon — you’re touching plastic”.

              1. “Holy shit! I can see your ankle.”

                *throws stone. grabs bacon. runs*

              2. Is that better or worse than the states where they can’t sell *any* beer, like Maryland?

              3. So if I hand you a condum full of semen, you are okay with that? You are not touching semen — you are touching latex.

                1. Hey, I had no problem with the cashier’s beliefs. I am most certainly pissed at the lack of martini sets and good beer at the store.

                  1. It’s WA state. Their variety of brew is not the best in the area, but it’s not bad.

              4. In Louisiana, some WalMarts had the guns section right next to the liquor section (where you could buy fancy beers).

              5. “You’re not touching the bacon — you’re touching plastic”.

                Pro-tip for Quick Checkouts: don’t initiate philosophical arguments that could last hundreds of years without ever being resolved.

                1. also….another cashier had to swipe it? what were your hands busy with? (just swept a bag of dog food at the store so the tiny cashier wouldn’t have to lift it, so I’m definitely getting a kick…)

        3. You class snob elitist!

          I bet you also don’t appreciate the fine refinement of tractor pulls!

    2. It’s either a case of people who want to have their cake and eat it to or people who have never cracked open an Econ textbook. I saw some people last night complaining that IKEA was pushing to open factories here (because “Rethuglicans” made our labor so “cheap” according to them).

      They bitch about the US having no productive capacity yet refuse to see the connection between costs and profit. Then when employing capital and labor here looks somewhat fruitful to an outside country they bitch, in effect, because it’s too hospitable to business. Until they can talk producers into having a negative preference for money they’re going to have to reconcile the fact that you can’t push production/labor costs sky-high AND expect business, at the margin, to remain.

      “OMGRACETOTEHBOTTOM!!!11!1”

  8. Talk about astroturf!

  9. Most critics of Walmart are limousine liberals who would never shop there anyway.

    They are nothing but big nannies who want to tell everyone how to live, because they know best.

    1. I don’t watch television. I don’t even own one.

  10. Here’s an idea: why don’t the activists open their own goddam store? Then they may operate it as they deem appropriate.

    1. Too risky. Shakedowns are a much more reliable source of income.

    2. If someone can make a department store that:

      -Is convenient to get to
      -Pays it’s workers a high wage
      -Provides inexpensive products of a decent quality
      -Doesn’t need tax money for support

      Then I am all for it.

      All the anti-Walmarters can donate a portion of their paycheck to the place for all I care.

    3. Open are own store!? If you think we can afford to pay these degenerates $12.50/hour, you must be smoking the same thing as the commoners.

  11. Pretty impressive attempted shakedown by the unions and their “community organizer” shills. The following put money directly into their pockets:

    Use project labor agreements to construct its stores.

    Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.

    Abide by a “code of conduct with regard to its employees’ freedom to choose a voice on the job without interference.”

    Make “ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders” that will provide incentives and support to local small businesses.

    Make ongoing payments for community funds controlled by “community advisory councils” for education and faith-based programs.

    1. I’m surprised they didn’t spell out how many no-work and no-show jobs they expect.

    2. “”Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times””

      Oh, this is rich.

      Back in the old days, they’d just stick it in a manila envelope and give it to the bagman.

      The old ‘off duty cop’ scheme is popular in NYC; whenever a bar/restaurant starts making a lot of money, suddenly they start getting visits from the po-po…’we’ve had reports of underage drinking’….’noise violations’…’health inspections’…. labor department, etc…. but if they should happen to hire an offduty cop to sit in the place for 2 hours a night for $500 a week? Problems magically solved.

      And this =

      “”ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders””

      …I mean, what? How about just calling it “Payola”? Do the words ‘council’/’community’ etc somehow make the local mob more palatable?

  12. “Make “ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders”

    That’s my favorite. Do the hustle!

  13. I’m glad to see I was wrong when I told the story about how similar activists derailed a WalMart from building in Orlando. They tried to, but failed.

    1. Is it better to have wooded areas with a vagrant population or a really shitty Walmart?

      1. What’s the difference?

        1. The vagrants wear blue vests once the WalMart opens.

  14. Some of the demands seem like they are seeking a way to make sure Wal-Mart pays for the public services it depends on and alleviate any increased burdens it creates. That could be legit. Others are of course nannyistic hustling.

    1. So WalMart is exempt from property taxes?

      1. I guess the argument would be that what they pay in property taxes < what they use in public services. That’s an empirical question the answer to which I doubt either of us knows.

        1. And neither do they. But they are protesting the WalMart and not the city agency that sets property taxes. Curious.

          1. Perhaps they have some figures that they do? I don’t know but I remember this one anti-Wal-Mart film or something that made that claim.

            As to the city agency claim I’m sure these guys would be just fine with that agency bumping up the property taxes on large enterprises.

            1. Or they are just talking out of their ass, like they always do. That’s an empirical question the answer to which I doubt either of us knows.

              1. It’s equally likely you are talking out of your ass since you don’t know whether they have figures or not. In fact from previous conversations with you I might say the odds are greater than equal.

                1. You always get so bitchy when it comes to your precious union thugs. It’d be sort of cute if it didn’t reek of so much bullshit.

                  Make sure you are first on the bandwagon to accuse WalMart of racism when they don’t open a store in D.C.

                  1. I hope they open the store you doofus. But go back to your Krusade For Justice buddy, get those union thugs and government supported parasites in your black and white world. Don’t forget your white hat!

                    1. Ah, the binary world-view smear. Always convincing from someone who defends every excess of union thuggery and extortion imaginable. Such a nuanced position you have: UNION GOOD, CORPORASHUNS BAD!

                    2. Yeah, I posted on here that it seems like the demands include a major hustling attempt, that the Wal-Mart should be built, that it provides a valuable service for poor people, etc. Yeah, it’s me with the binary view.

                      But hey SugarFree, fight on Oh Mighty Krusader for Liberty, Fight On! Vanquish the Evil Statist! Huzzah!

                    3. Sad part is, you do it for free. I’d a least work out a kick-back from the unions.

                  2. Too late for that. there’s a local politician who doesn’t want a store becuase it will entice the neighborhood kids to steal.

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..06783.html

                2. EOM

                  1. @MNG, BTW.

                    1. That is so yummy how you felt the need to post this clarification.

                      Are you twelve or eighty?

                3. MNG, it’s DC, you idiot. Please try to show at least some rudimentary reasoning skills. Which is more likely, that the corporations that pays full property taxes (and corporate income taxes at a high rate, due to the nature of their business, i.e., retail) doesn’t pay its full share for the burdens it places on the infrastructure, or that all the governmental organizations and nonprofits in DC fail to pay for their own share?

        2. Then it’s a good thing you brought it up.

        3. Then it sounds like the taxes are out of whack, then.

          1. I’m going to guess that the problem with D.C. is NOT excessively low taxes.

            All these complaints boil down to “we want a unionized store plus some graft and payola”. None of them are legit.

            1. I would hazard a guess that the problem with DC is that taxes are set for political reasons, not practical reasons.

              Converting to a tax system based more on use might help.

        4. I guess the argument would be that what they pay in property taxes < what they use in public services.

          Funny how now complains about that in reverse. Where’s my refund?

        5. This line of argument has always annoyed me, because it mischaracterizes the state’s provision of services.

          It’s like when people argue that the rich use more police protection than the poor, because they have more property that could potentially be stolen.

          I think this is a false and misleading way to look at it. To me, every citizen is using precisely one police service, which the state owes to each citizen equally: “keep each person secure in his person and effects”.

          And how about roads? Maybe the state should be in the road business and maybe it shouldn’t be. But since right now it is, I think the state has assumed the duty of providing each person with access to his property and to the common ways. And this is a unitary service. It doesn’t matter to me if one person has 1 car a year visit his property and another has 1000 cars an hour visit his property. The state jumped up and asserted the power to define common ways and maintain them. It doesn’t get to complain now if people do just that.

          1. Thanks, Fluffy. I’ll be using that.

          2. “I think this is a false and misleading way to look at it. To me, every citizen is using precisely one police service, which the state owes to each citizen equally: “keep each person secure in his person and effects”.”

            Call a private guard company and tell them you have two potential clients, one with several acres of warehouses and several homes that needs guarding and another a hobo with a sack on a stick. Tell them since they are in the business of I think this is a false and misleading way to look at it. To me, every citizen is using precisely one police service, which the state owes to each citizen equally: “keeping persons secure in his person and effects” they should charge each the same price.

            1. What kind of police service should people who pay no taxes get?

            2. So, MNG, since I don’t have kids, I shouldn’t have to pay school taxes?

              Are you really saying that the state should deliver services in proportion to the amount that a citizen pays the state? Do you really want to go down that road?

              And whatever happened to the whole idea of a common benefit? Isn’t part of the justification for taxing people to pay cops and schoolteachers that we all benefit from having a secure society, an educated populace, etc. etc.? Isn’t saying that we can tax some people more because they get more of a benefit kind inconsistent with that?

              After all, if your need for and benefit from security is tied directly to how much you own, why not privatize it?

              1. And whatever happened to the whole idea of a common benefit? Isn’t part of the justification for taxing people to pay cops and schoolteachers that we all benefit from having a secure society, an educated populace

                That’s more of a rationalization.

                Get rid of taxes. Pay for your own damn kids’ schooling. Pay for your own damn private protective services. Nothing essential the government does that couldn’t be privatized and paid for via voluntary fees, not compulsory taxes.

            3. I am not an anarchocapitalist.

              I see the police power as basically merely a giant sort of sergeant at arms for the courts. The courts are at bottom what the state is about for me.

              The police are there to force criminals before the courts and to impose the punishments handed out by the courts. Even the army is there so other countries can’t come and fuck with our ability to run our courts.

              The other “service” the state is providing here is equality before the courts.

              It doesn’t matter, to me, how hard it is for the state to provide that service to any particular citizen. It gets to provide it and shut the fuck up. Or it isn’t the state.

              A private company can choose its customers and set the conditions for any particular customer, including the price.

              A state that is in the “business” of providing equality before the law cannot.

              1. The courts are at bottom what the state is about for me.

                Same here. My current theory is that any group that is bigger than a certain minimum size needs an arbiter of last resort, someone to settle disputes. That is the origin of government of all kinds, and its core function.

                What Fluffy describes is pretty much the original function of what has evolved into the current paramilitary police force.

                1. Same here. My current theory is that any group that is bigger than a certain minimum size needs an arbiter of last resort, someone to settle disputes.

                  There is no arbiter of last resort.

                  From “Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections”:

                  principal objection to anarchy is that under anarchy, there’s no final arbiter in disputes. Under government, some final arbiter at some point comes along and resolves the dispute one way or the other. Well, under anarchy, since there’s no one agency that has the right to settle things once and for all, there’s no final arbiter, and so disputes, in some sense, never end, they never get resolved, they always remain open-ended.
                  So what’s the answer to that? Well, I think that there’s an ambiguity to the concept here of a final arbiter. By “final arbiter,” you could mean the final arbiter in what I call the Platonic sense. That is to say, someone or something or some institution that somehow absolutely guarantees that the dispute is resolved forever; that absolutely guarantees the resolution. Or, instead, by “final arbiter” you could simply mean some person or process or institution or something-or-other that more or less reliably guarantees most of the time that these problems get resolved.
                  Now, it is true, that in the Platonic sense of an absolute guarantee of a final arbiter ? in that sense, anarchy does not provide one. But neither does any other system. Take a minarchist constitutional republic of the sort that Bidinotto favors. Is there a final arbiter under that system, in the sense of something that absolutely guarantees ending the process of dispute forever? Well, I sue you, or I’ve been sued, or I am accused of something, whatever ? I’m in some kind of court case. I lose. I appeal it. I appeal it to the Supreme Court. They go against me. I lobby the Congress to change the laws to favor me. They don’t do it. So then I try to get a movement for a Constitutional Amendment going. That fails, so I try and get people together to vote in new people in Congress who will vote for it. In some sense it can go on forever. The dispute isn’t over.
                  But, as a matter of fact, most of the time most legal disputes eventually end. Someone finds it too costly to continue fighting. Likewise, under anarchy ? of course there’s no guarantee that the conflict won’t go on forever. There are very few guarantees of that iron-clad sort. But that’s no reason not to expect it to work.

        6. I guess the argument would be that what they pay in property taxes < what they use in public services.

          Then maybe DC should, oh, I don’t know, charge them for services used?

          Nah, crazy talk.

        7. I guess the argument would be that what they pay in property taxes < what they use in public services. That’s an empirical question the answer to which I doubt either of us knows.

          Don’t let ignorance ever stop you from having an opinion, buster! Nor inspire you to actually do a little research. You just keep on truckin’ with that *imagineering* thing you do.

          WMT pays the top end of the corporate tax rate (34%), and as below fellow notes…

          “”…remember, income taxes aren’t the only payments major companies make to the IRS. Wal-Mart probably collects and pays more sales taxes than any other company on earth…” – Scott Hodge, president of the Tax Foundation.

          http://money.cnn.com/galleries…..index.html

          However… if you listen to the Unions themselves… well, they do their own research =

          http://www.respectdc.org/2011/…..e-schemes/

          e.g.

          DC-based non-profit research center Good Jobs First found out just how detrimental Walmart can be for local economies. The group’s study “Shifting the Burden for Vital Public Services: Walmart’s Tax Avoidance Schemes” was released last month, highlighting the schemes of the infamous big-box bully that amount to avoidance of more than $400 million in local and state taxes each year.

          According to the report, “for every kind of tax that a retail company would normally pay or remit to support public services, Walmart has engineered an aggressive scheme to pay less and keep more.” Although its actions are legal, the resulting loss in revenue “may be more of a fiscal burden than a benefit to many of the communities in which it operates”:

          note, “may be”. Although legal, we *feel* their behaviors are inappropriate because…. because… because they’re WalMart and we think they should pay more. Full-Stop.

          These are the same D.C. people who came up with the above list, AFAIK. aka, “A consortium of activists”. They include a fun little group of elderly urban agitators…”The Grey Panthers”. Man, nothing, but nothing, is more self-righteous than a 60s revolutionary in a wheelchair giving it to The Man by… uhm… demanding government services and bleeding private industry dry. Makes sense.

          1. Remember, “may” is semantically equal to “may or may not”. Whenever anyone says “may”, you may add “or may not” without changing the meaning of the sentence. Thus, the unions are arguing:

            Although its actions are legal, the resulting loss in revenue “may or may not be more of a fiscal burden than a benefit to many of the communities in which it operates”:

            I’m sold!

          2. “The group’s study “Shifting the Burden for Vital Public Services:”

            By which they mean all sorts of socialist, welfare state giveaway programs.

            Let’s get the responsibility for the burden directly where it belongs – on the politicians who enacted those spending programs to begin with.

    2. Re: MNG,

      Some of the demands seem like they are seeking a way to make sure Wal-Mart pays for the public services it depends on and alleviate any increased burdens it creates.

      Yes, because Walmart happens not to pay any local taxes… or am I misinterpreting your comment?

      By the way, companies and businesses pay all sorts of local taxes that cover any so-called “services” that the government purports to offer, successfully or otherwise.

      1. SugarFree|4.27.11 @ 12:35PM|#
        So WalMart is exempt from property taxes?

        Dude, this discussion was going on and your point made almost literally hours ago.

        You’re like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie…Or a child fanatic would be better…

        1. Re: MNG,

          Dude, this discussion was going on and your point made almost literally hours ago.

          If you thought so, why did you even bother to reply to my comment?

          I read through the whole thread, and the only thing I gathered from your replies to the rest of the guys was innuendo – you don’t know as a matter of fact if Walmart pays property taxes or not, you simply assume they don’t based on the outrageous requests to then argue that their requests seem logical: classic case of question begging.

  15. “Make ongoing payments … for faith-based programs.”

    How’s this? 10th Commandment: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s property.

  16. WTF does “choose your own voice” mean?

    It means, “Shut up; we’ll decided what you really want. Now sign this card.”

    ——–

    Why isn’t making quality merchandise available at lower prices considered an amazingly noble thing to do for poor people?

    Because it’s hard to convince most Americans that people with giant televisions and 100 pairs of shoes are mired in grinding poverty.

    1. “WTF does “choose your own voice” mean?

      It means, “Shut up; we’ll decided what you really want. Now sign this card.”

      It might mean don’t fire people because they talk with their fellow employees about unionizing. Just sayin’

      1. It might, but it doesn’t.

      2. It might mean don’t fire people because they talk with their fellow employees about unionizing.

        No, that would be wrong. We should only fire people if they don’t want to join a union (or at least confiscate part of their paychecks).

      3. “WTF does “choose your own voice” mean?

        That might also mean “we want to come to work while cross-dressing, or dressed sluttishly, or to be surly and rude to customers, or wear a bazillion piercings, even though such crap will drive away customers.”

      4. It might mean don’t fire people because they talk with their fellow employees about unionizing. Just sayin’

        It might, but that’s already illegal and has been illegal at the federal levels for years (try reading Taft-Hartley about it), so why would they have to sign any special pledge about it?

        OTOH, what unions also complain about equally is the nasty habit of companies even trying to talk peacefully about why a union might not be a good idea. The NLRB has at times cited companies for doing no more than talking.

        Of course, we already know that MNG’s ideal of free speech is one where the other side is banned from speaking.

        1. The workers have to be protected from their own false consciousness, donchaknow.

        2. No, what “choose your own voice” means is that Walmart won’t oppose an organizing campaign, as it is allowed to do under the law.

        3. I know Taft-Hartley. I also know a common complaint among unions involves employers getting around and/or just not obeying it.

          “Of course, we already know that MNG’s ideal of free speech is one where the other side is banned from speaking.”

          That’s funny since employers can, on the pain of termination, require employees to sit through anti-union rallies. Of course, of course, in Libertopia the worker could just walk off and live off the land so it’s not really coercive at all!

          1. I also know a common complaint among unions involves employers getting around and/or just not obeying it.

            Funny, I hear a common complaint among employers, too. Guess what it is.

  17. where a consortium of activist groups have issued a long list of demands

    It’s actually a short list of demand (singular):

    Don’t build a WalMart.

    Which part of “Always low prices” do they think is compatible with those demands? Do they really think WalMart, which shuttered the one branch where the employees had the poor judgment to unionize, would choose to build there under those conditions and set such a terrible precedent and charge unaffordable prices?

  18. It might mean don’t fire people because they talk with their fellow employees about unionizing. Just sayin’

    If you want to get paid to proselytize for your union parasite religion, get somebody else to write the check.
    Jes’ sayin’

    1. Er, people do talk to each other on the job. Sometimes they might talk about (horrors) work conditions while (now sit down for the shock) actually working!

      Jesus Christ you guys try to play it cool but you have the obsequious work ethic of Spongebob Squarepants…

      1. Why should an employer have to continue to employ people who are actively engaging in a conspiracy to extort them?

        Does the bank teller trying to get other bank tellers to help them embezzle get to keep their job as well?

        1. “Does the abank teller trying to get other bank tellers to help them embezzle get to keep their job as well?”

          They do if they’re a member of the bank tellers union.

          Oh, and they get to sue the bank too.

        2. “Why should an employer have to continue to employ people who are actively engaging in a conspiracy to extort them?”

          I think we can already assume this isn’t a matter of principle. If it were, those people would go after labor cartels with the same adamant fervor they go after producer cartels. Of course, cartels which don’t hold a natural monopoly on resources have a hard time maintaining a cartel without the help of government for all the well-known economic reasons…maybe they’re just upset that the basic laws of economics applies to labor too.

        3. “Why should an employer have to continue to employ people who are actively engaging in a conspiracy to extort them?”

          This is what I mean. How supine, how obsequious do you have to be to understand employees discussing whether to push for more benefits or pay as “extortion?” Lord have mercy you guys are like Smithers when it comes to employment. “Hey boss, can I buff your shoes for ya, can I, can I?”

          1. “How supine, how obsequious do you have to be to understand employees discussing whether to push for more benefits or pay as “extortion?”

            Do you consider producer cartels exploitive?

          2. People are free to talk about what they want and employers are free to fire them over it. Your drooling utopia of the evil capitalists being helpless before the saintly, organized proletariat has nothing to do with freedom. The scales are already tipped in your favor, but you can’t resist the temptation to tip them even more.

      2. “Jesus Christ you guys try to play it cool but you have the obsequious work ethic of Spongebob Squarepants…”

        Spongebob has a job making crabby patties, fuckface.

        1. From the episodes I’ve seen, spongebob’s work ethic is his one positive attribute.

          1. In one he pays Mr. Krabs to work for him, and he welcomes seven day work weeks and such. I can see some of you boss worshippers actually doing such things.

            Yep, you guys are defintitely too kool for skool.

            Traders of everything are supposed to push their interests, except labor of course!

            1. If me and my buddies that sell our product (there’s only 3 companies in my industry and I know people at the other two) got together and set a minimum price floor for our products, we’d go to jail. But when the guys who work in the factory decide to do the exact same thing, they’re legally protected and we have to listen to them and negotiate with them. Why is that, MNG?

      3. I agree that employees should be able to talk to each other about work conditions and such, even while on the job (as long as they are getting whatever it is they’re being paid for done).

        But don’t knock on Spongebob, he has some of the best work ethic of any cartoon character. Squidworth is the lazy bastard that complains and never really does his job.

        1. The key word there is TALK.

    2. Isn’t there already a whole body of law that protects union organizing efforts ?

      1. Yeah, but it allows the company to oppose the union. Obviously, that Isn’t Fair.

  19. How about just calling it “Payola”?

    Payola is such an ugly word; I’m sure they would much rather refer to this as “investing in the community”.

    1. Wasn’t it Bill Clinton who cleverly started using the word “invest” for spending ?

    2. I prefer extortion. The X makes it cool.

  20. Just once, I’d love to see the executives of a major retailer answer a list of demands like this with: “Dear sirs, we have considered your requests, and decided that it is in the best interests of our customers, employees, and shareholders to tell you to get bent.”

    -jcr

    1. Pretty much what the guy from Wal-Mart said.

    2. Given that the demands constitute a threat of extortion:

      # Make “ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders” that will provide incentives and support to local small businesses.
      # Make ongoing payments for community funds controlled by “community advisory councils” for education and faith-based programs.

      I would like to see this major retailer hire mercs to go in and fire bomb the Hell out these activist in retaliation. If a representative of a crime family came up to a shop keeper with these ‘suggestions’ would the local DA tolerate it? Of course not. The implied violence is identical in both situations. It’s a shame that clearly justifiable self defense has been deemed illegal by those who find an ideological advantage in the state having a monopoly on violence (defensive and otherwise).

  21. The Washington Business Journal reports on a similar fight over Walmart in D.C., where a consortium of activist groups have issued a long list of demands, including…

    How about you have a nice, tall cup of go fuck yourself and we’ll open the store without you, mkay?

    Feel free to shop at all the other non-union stores you’ve managed to keep out.

  22. Jesus Christ you guys try to play it cool but you have the obsequious work ethic of Spongebob Squarepants…

    Eh? our platypus sings in giant colors?

    Run that through the translator again.

    1. From my viewing of Spongbob when my kids were watching it, I can tell you that Spongebob would be the ultimate strike-buster.

      The guy just wants to work, no matter what the union bottom feeders say.

      1. And go jellyfishing.

      2. See, you cannot caricature you guys. Spongebob’s obsequiousness is supposed to be funny, not laudable!

        I bet some of you let your bosses spank you. “Thank you sir boss man, can I have another!” And then you go online and style yourselves as anti-authoritarian hipsters…

        1. Well…….if my boss was latina…

        2. Wait, you fuck up your own slur with leaden prose and then complain that we didn’t get what you meant? “Oh, those poor, sodden masses. It goes right over their little heads!”

          Talk about your caricatures.

          1. Gotta love how the very same assmunch repeatedly whinnying snotty “tractor pull” asides showcases his own towering intellect by continually referencing… errrrrrr… Spongebob Squarepants. DERRRRP!!!

  23. All of the demands that don’t involve money, such as the bike share, ride share, etc, are negotiable.
    Anything that involves WalMart writing a check to a “community” or “faith-based” group will be fought for tooth and nail. The Ward leaders could care less about bikes, but you better not screw with THEIR money.

  24. Reminds me of the chapter Caliban’s Kingdoms from Paul Johnson’s Modern Times. After the colonial powers left, Western ‘educated’ elites in third world countries came up with delusional plans to socialism their way into prosperity, only to wreck everything they touched. Progressive urban planning, IMF policy, same shit, different context.

  25. * Not ask job applicants about previous criminal convictions.

    “I want a job in children’s clothing or toys. Please?”

    * Provide free shuttle transportation to and from the nearest Metro station to each D.C. store every 10 minutes.
    * Commit to traffic alleviation studies.

    Recommendation 1: Quit running empty shuttles every 10 minutes.

    * Fund workforce training programs for D.C. residents, and use training programs as its primary avenue for hiring D.C. residents.

    Because everyone knows D.C. public schools have done such a terrific job.

    * Not sell firearms or ammunition.
    * Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.

    I know correlation doesn’t imply causation, but it seems like they’d at least be savvy enough not to put these two items next to each other.

    So this is the “Comedian Employment Initiative?”

    1. * Provide free shuttle transportation to and from the nearest Metro station to each D.C. store every 10 minutes.
      * Commit to traffic alleviation studies.

      Recommendation 1: Quit running empty shuttles every 10 minutes.

      Dude, I LOLed.

      And then I shook my head sadly.

    2. Actually I thought these 2 together were interesting:

      ** Not ask job applicants about previous criminal convictions.
      ** Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.

      Job security biotches!

  26. Economics ignorance showcase:

    Pay every employee the D.C. living wage, currently $12.50 per hour.

    My living wage is $100,000.00 an hour. I can perfectly live with that.

    Provide $50 a month in public transportation subsidy to every employee.

    That would be swell for those that live right in from of the store. How about those one block down? Why not $60.00 for them?

    Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.

    Huh? Are you implying that only the criminally minded buy at Walmart?

    Indeed – why do YOU guys hate the poor so much???

    1. The thugs in blue union had some input apparently in making that list of demands. Any surprise there?

  27. * Not sell firearms or ammunition.

    Imagine my surprise.

  28. Not ask job applicants about previous criminal convictions.

    A certain road to a lawsuit when one of these unvetted, yet criminal, employees does something to a customer.

    Criminal background checks are pretty much the industry standard. Negligent hiring is an actual tort. You hire someone with a criminal history of theft, you get a lawsuit when they start stealing people’s credit card numbers.

  29. If I had the resources of Walmart (and didn’t care about making a profit), I would just start buying out businesses and homeowners in these areas and then raze everything and leave the ground fallow. Plant a nice lawn with a big fence around it. No tax revenue…no building improvements…just an economic blank spot. Then build a Supercenter just over the border in the next jurisdiction over. Consider it a cost of construction.

    1. *waves*

    2. leave the ground fallow. Plant a nice lawn with a big fence around it

      I think you missed a trick here: this scheme cries out for a good old-fashioned earth-salting.

  30. Morality by minge:

    1.) People poorer than me are uneducated dirtballs.

    2.) People richer than me are no more smarter than I, and most likely got their riches from thievery or on the backs of the poor dirtballs, and are therefore dirtballs

    3.)Steal at gunpoint from the rich dirtballs to give to the poor dirtballs.

    4.)????

    ———–

    Sainthood!


  31. Abide by a “code of conduct with regard to its employees’ freedom to choose a voice on the job without interference.”

    Fund workforce training programs for D.C. residents, and use training programs as its primary avenue for hiring D.C. residents.

    Hire at least 40 percent of its employees at each store from the ward in which the store is located.

    Make “ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders” that will provide incentives and support to local small businesses.

    Make ongoing payments for community funds controlled by “community advisory councils” for education and faith-based programs.

    Those requests are all for money for essentially the ‘activists’ themselves. These fucks want a paying job from Wal-Mart whose sole function is to…hate Wal-Mart?

    1. Wall Mart is an evil exploiter of the poor. But we will gladly take their money. These people are pathetic.

      1. They are cleansing that money of the evil taint of capitalism. “Laundering” it, so to speak.

  32. I went to Walmart just two days ago, it was awesome. I suck at laundry so I like to get lots of cheap socks and stuff.
    10 pair cotton socks – 7.99
    5 boxer briefs – 9.99
    6 undershirts – 9.99

    So for less than 30 dollars, all new underwear with *some* brand (fruit of the hanes). and as stated somewhere above, Walmart is vulgar. But it’s this decent American vulgarity that I just love.

    That said, I pretty much avoid the place like the plague unless I want to revel in how far my dollar still goes in the land of the free. Ammo and underwear, fuck yeah Walmart.

  33. a consortium of activist groups have issued a long list of demands

    My dream reply from WallyWorld:

    A Wal-Mart circular with the words “FUCK YOU” written in black marker on every page.

    1. Use project labor agreements to construct its stores.

      Construction labor unions: Taken care of.

      Fund all infrastructure improvements made necessary by its stores.

      Provide free shuttle transportation to and from the nearest Metro station to each D.C. store every 10 minutes.

      Commit to traffic alleviation studies.

      Transporation unions and bureaucrats: Taken care of.

      Not sell firearms or ammunition.

      Employ no less than two off-duty D.C. police officers on its premises at all times.

      Police union: Taken care of.

      Abide by a “code of conduct with regard to its employees’ freedom to choose a voice on the job without interference.”

      General labor union: Taken care of.

      Make “ongoing contributions to a fund managed by a council of community stakeholders” that will provide incentives and support to local small businesses.

      Make ongoing payments for community funds controlled by “community advisory councils” for education and faith-based programs.

      Professional agitators: Taken care of.

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