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Periodic Detention Reviews—Now With More Reviewers!

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On Monday, implicitly conceding that the prison at Guantanamo Bay won't be closing anytime in the forseeable future, President Obama issued an executive order that allows military tribunals there to hear new cases and authorizes the continued indefinite detention of the remaining 172 prisoners. Under the new order, a six-member Periodic Review Board will determine whether a prisoner's continued detention "is necessary to protect against a significant threat to the security of the United States." Each detainee will get his initial review within a year and additional reviews every third year thereafter. The process, which includes a a "Government-provided personal representative" charged with rebutting the government's case, seems quite similar to the reviews conducted during the Bush administration, most crucially in that it tasks the executive branch with approving its own decisions. The New York Times cites a law professor who is "pleased" that "the review panels would include representatives from the Departments of State, Justice and Homeland Security as well as Defense and the director of national intelligence."

The new executive order adds to the pile of evidence that Obama, despite his hope-arousing campaign talk about respecting civil liberties and the rule of law, is continuing his predecessor's anti-terrorism policies in almost all important respects. The best that can be said of his latest decision is that it applies only to current Guantanamo detainees (as opposed to terrorism suspects arrested in the future) and does not involve new legislation that would further institutionalize preventive detention for certain kinds of criminal suspects by reclassifying them as prisoners of a never-ending war.

The ACLU reacts to Obama's executive order. More on Obama's anti-terrorism policies vs. Bush's here, here, here, here, here, and here.

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  1. If obstructionist Republicans had not had such a commanding control of Congress from 2008-2010, then The Anointed One would have been able to close Gitmo as he promised.

    1. I’m gonna give that a D+ for trolling.

      C’mon, you can be more convincing than that.

      Props for the ACLU on this one, BTW.

      1. I think he was being sarcastic, Prolefeed.

        1. Sarcasm has no place in libertarian politics.

          1. I thought sarcasm was one of the only two acceptable forms of libertarian discourse.

            1. Oh really? And what’s the other one? You know what, fuck it! Your lack of specificity demonstrates that you’re no true libertarian. Turn in your decoder ring and begone!

          2. Where do i send the bill for my sarcasm meter that just exploded, Paul?

  2. one prob w closing is some home countries dont want them back.

    1. And more…The repatriation of convicted criminals is marred in complicated INS rules, and diplomatic roadblocks on the part of the detainee’s native country-who the hell wants them back?

      A Beautiful Day in Guantanamo?

    2. We should tell those countries that they either take back their prisoners or we invade them.

    3. But a promise is a promise.

    4. “”one prob w closing is some home countries dont want them back.””

      I don’t see that as a problem, you drop them off where you picked them up.

    5. The solution to that is to give them green cards and set them free here.

      1. They already have. I can’t find the case but IIRC the murderer’s deportation was halted by a SCOTUS judgment

      2. Whoa Nelly….

  3. BLOOD OR LINE IN SAND?

    DAY’S OF RAGE, MARCH 11TH, REVOLUTION OF LONGING: ? Blood in the Sand or Line in the Sand?

    As we post today, units of the Saudi Arabian Army, Infantry and Armored Units are taking positions both within the Eastern part of that western created nation with it’s puppet ruler, and into the Western part of Bahrain, to aid in the continued puppet rule of Bahrain by yet another Western puppet. The choice of the future of the Middle East at this moment in history will rest in the sands of Middle East, the choice will be made by the sons and daughters of Arabia will their be BLOOD IN THE SAND, OR WILL THEY DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND! The choice is a simple one support the Peoples Revolution, a Revolution of Longing, a Longing to determine their own future’s, to control their own regional interests, to determine their own system of government, OR!

    [Blood in the sand]

    As the Armored Units with their Infantry Support backed by weapons of the [American-Israeli Military Industrial Complex/THE EMPIRE] enter the sands of Arabia the question’s each of the Sons of Arabia should be asking themselves is; does it really matter who is the one pulling the trigger murdering yet other sons and daughters of Arabia? Does it matter if it is one of the sons of [THE EMPIRE] or themselves, and what is the ultimate out come of their spilling of yet another generation of the sons and daughter of Arabia, of Islam regardless of religious sect or tribal connection result in? The answer has been written in the Sands of the Hour Glass, for four decades, forty years as the Sands of Time poured thru the hour glass, the State of Israel has been wagging the Pit Bull Dog of the West the United States of America to its own interests and the Pit Bull Dog has in turn put its puppets leadership over the Middle East, The Sons and Daughter of Arabia, and all peoples of the Islamic region, or otherwise from Okinawa in the East, to South America in the West, regardless of race, color, creed, religion [no sect excluded], men, women and children. The question must be why am I doing the bidding of those who’s interests are not of the peoples of my regional sphere, An authoritarian society a Democracy of Hypocrisy, built on double-talk, lies of all shades, using the Red Blood of innocent’s, pouring out of its wars of Economic Stimulus, as the Black Ink of profit too decades of the Tyranny of the Bottom Line! OR! Do I choose not to pour the BLOOD IN THE SAND of Peoples of the Middle East, but do I choose another way, a way written about by a Great Revolutionary Thomas Paine, Quote [Only in Solidarity do we have it in our power to begin the world again.], unquote.

    [A line in the sand of history]

    The choice of the Armies of the Sons of Islam are to either Draw a LINE IN THE SAND of history and mark a new direction too work with other’s in Solidarity, to allow [ALL] a belief system of their own choosing not Islamic means Terrorist [a form of warfare], and Islam is a nation state a Terrorist Nation State, and the Middle East is Islamic and therefore are all Terrorist States that must be controlled, contained, maintained and dominated by [THE EMPIRE]. The Sons of Arabia have the choice, a way to arrive at a win-win within their own [PARITY SPHERE OF INFLUENCE], joining a new system of Multi-Polar Spheres of World Geo-Regional Influence the [BRICS] Brazil, The Russian Federation, India, The Peoples Democratic Republic of China, and the Union of South Africa. To work to create an association of nations within the Geo-Political Mideast, to create win-win positions and work toward methods of resolving or working to live with difference’s between association members, while at the same moment presenting a solid partnership in creating win-win scenarios, with other Multi-Polar [Parity Spheres of Influence]. And to Quote Myrroynomous; Our new spheres of influence should not be totalitarian or top down–but a co-operative amalgamation, something more amorphous with localized economies–mostly, and universal knowledge and co-operation, Unquote, we share this position but it will be your choice your decision. But at this moment in history it is you the Sons and Daughters of the Middle East who must choose, as the sand of time flow thru the hour glass so too goes the days of our lives, will those sand flow with BLOOD IN THE SAND OR WILL A LINE BE DRAWN IN THE SAND, the power of Solidarity or the weakness of division, the time is now, The Sands of Time are pouring thru the hour glass toward the DAY’S OF RAGE, MARCH 11TH, REVOLUTION OF LONGING: ? Blood in the Sand or Line in the Sand?

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  4. The best that can be said of his latest decision is that it applies only to current Guantanamo detainees … and does not involve new legislation that would further institutionalize preventive detention ….

    Oh, come on! It also (probably) does not invoke the Commerce Clause or force YouTube to remove “My Favorite Martian” postings.

  5. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    JUSTICE CLINTON MYRA YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    [I’m Hercule Triathlon Savinien Myra]

    Now, we do a lot of surfing the news around the internet, surfing at La Jolla, isn’t in the cards any longer, and one of the sights we check out is (www.TheDailyBeast.Com), a guy by the name of Drudge run’s the site, but we’re not allowed to post on the site, Drudge sent a little E-mail saying his lawyers, said it wasn’t to good of an idea to let us post, but at least the boy had the curtsey to let us know it weren’t his idea, and you know how them lawyers are. But that being authors make a mistake and let you know how to get ahold of em’ which in my case is a bad plan, well Myra Adams, and Mark McKinnon wrote an article entitled Justice Clinton? And, Myra gave her E-mail contact address as (www.TheJesusStore.Com), now not being a Deist, and not a Clinton Fan we couldn’t pass this up, no way, no day. So of course we sent Myra an E-mail, and it must not have dawned on her she gave permission to post her E-mail address, cause we got back a reply saying;

    Who are you? Just curious.
    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

    Well, we once again informed her that we were Hercule Triathlon Savinien, so to all you authors don’t make the same mistake, especially when the Secret Service pays me visits and lawyers don’t want me blogging.

    [Are You Out Of Your Cottin Pickin Head???]

    Well, what was in this E-mail that warranted any reply, that’s simple my opinion of Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton being anything in the government and the answer is [YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!], and a Supreme Court Lifetime Appointee, [YOUR OUR OF YOUR COTTIN PICIN HEAD];

    * Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton is a stuck up, snob, from the suburbs of the Windy City, Chicago, Illinois, they always figured they were somehow better than us across the Cook County line, in Richard J. Daily’s City, which we never understood, because Daily never walked down the Cook County hallway to his City Office, and Presidents came to see him, and no body put his city down or in danger, wasn’t going to happen. And some how they were better than us in the Windy City, YA RIGHT! And a Yankee’s Fan adding insult to injury.

    * We informed Myra that we believe that the marriage of Hill and the Media Messiah Imperial President was a marriage of convince, made in Swell, that was about [18M] Million votes, and that from what we can see there seems to be trouble in Paradise. We’re guessing that the Chicago boy Rahm Emanuel, and White House Chief of Staff, has about as much liking for our Park Ridge Bee-Itch as we do, there are a lot of indications.

    * Hillary goes over to Germany and gives an interview that she can’t she herself as (SOS) Secretary Of State, that this [24-7] twenty-four hours a day-seven day a week grind was wearing her down, she was not going to be a [SOS] if the Messiah got another term in office, but was going to retire to write and teach, and this after an [18] month, winner take all battle with the Messiah for the Oval Office, an upon returning to [ConUs] The Continental United States, the lower [48] forty-eight, the story changes, Hillary couldn’t be happier in her job, and with the people she works with, that she was just as snug as a bug in a rug. Like the boy over at State really want her; You’ve got it wrong,” Lavrov commented with a smile. He then explained that the words the Americans chose ? “peregruzka” meant “overloaded” as opposed to “reset” (The correct choice of word should have been ‘perezagruzka’). But the Russian minister nevertheless thanked Clinton for the warm intentions. Them boys over at State set her up, Hillary is letting her alligator, mouth overload her hummingbird backside, the interpreters must have had a chuckle over that one that would been worth opening a brand new bottle of Vodka and sitting down at the table, you don’t get up until its drained.

    * Then we have Hillary now looking at Marcy Manor, the Governors House of the State of New York the Empire State, well if you can’t live in the White House of the American-Israeli Empire why not the first capital of the Empire, but no, Hillary wasn’t really interested in that either.

    * Then it was well maybe Biden would step down as [VP] Vice President, taking Hillary’s job at State, Biden always wanted to be [SOS], like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would simple set aside being one step closer as Number [3] Three in the Presidency Line, President-Vice President-Speaker of the House-Secretary of State, and Nancy is going to miss her place in history for Hillary, that is a cat fight we’d like to see.

    * And, now Hillary wants’ to be a lifetime appointed Supreme Court Justice, now this is not just a political appointment, this is a HOT BUTTON, political appointment, it means decades of political clout, and the vetting process is not about well I’m Bills Wife the guy who got Impeached and the Supreme Court Justice was at the impeachment. We would really like too see how all those named in the Vanity Fair article Bubba Trouble, The Comeback Id by Todd S. Purdum, July [2008], (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07?printable=true&current😉 would really feel about that vetting process, and then there is the Clinton Library all over again. Plus Bill’s girlfriend in the northern county of America’s Finest County, San Diego County, so far its been, only know around the county, but the vetting will uncover her name, and its not that hard to do, since its been going on from the White House days and its not Monica.

    [Something is Wrong in Paradise]

    So, something is wrong in Paradise, so what’s new with a Clinton, they leave a wake of disaster behind them [1.6km] One-Point-Six Kilometers wide, and enough dirt to build a land bridge between Contintents, my best guess is Hillary and Bill, well, running the White House from the State Department ain’t working to well, especially when your door is thru Rahm Emanuel, with the boys at State cutting your legs out from under you. So once again to Myra JUSTICE CLINTON MYRA YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  6. Well, is it a war? Or is it a crime, and thus subject to criminal trials? It’s a little of both probably. Jihadists are incorrigible prisoners of war. Since they have no country they are fighting for, except the next caliphate perhaps, where do you put them?

    1. Since they have no country they are fighting for, except the next caliphate perhaps, where do you put them?

      We’ll take them.

      1. Nimby. If you know what I mean.

        1. Yes. 😉

      2. I don’t get it; what would terrorists want with 72 libertarians?

        1. How about we trade pickle cunt rectal rather for 72 Gitmo prisoners? I’d prefer 72 of them running around loose than her running off at the keyboard.

          1. a-hole, I bet you would but baby they ain’t going to blow you either

            1. EVEN STEVE SMITH KNOW HOW USE PUNCTUATIONS!

              1. EVEN STEVE SMITH KNOW HOW USE PUNCTUATIONS!

                You also better KNOW how to use a condom-good luck with these boy scouts

                1. STEVE SMITH SMELL YOU HAVE GUSHING PERIODS! WHY YOU NEVER USE THEM TO POST?

                2. That’s right. Leave the altar boys to me!

            2. dear girl, I specifically didn’t say “running off at the mouth” because I couldn’t stand the image of you and your mouth! And I suspect that out of 72 newly freed men, statistically (about two percent of men identify as gay) at least one of them would.

        2. Trick question. There aren’t actually 72 of us to be found.

    2. Uh, how many people at Gitmo have been proven to be Jihadists?

      1. You ruined my emu joke again, speedy typezalez!

        1. Make it an emo joke and maybe then we can talk.

          1. Best thing about having an emo lawn?
            The grass cuts itself.

            1. That joke is itself emo.
              Because no one likes it.

          2. If my lawn were emo… fucksticks sugarfree beat me to it.

      2. Why would they be at Gitmo if they weren’t Jihadists? For the sunny beaches?

        1. If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? Other than years of trial-less detention, of course.

          1. Well, is that not the point of the trials? What I was saying was, IF they are tried, and IF they are proven to be jihadists, what do you do with them? Is Jihad a crime? What do you get for that?

        2. Good thing the government doesn’t make mistakes!

          1. Now if only we had some irrevocable punishment the government could administer…

            1. Doing that every day.

    3. If they’re jihadists then they should be punished.

      But you’re assuming all Gitmo detainees are jihadists…making an ass out of a backwards emu.

  7. THE COMING CRISIS!!!!!!!

    [Empire States Unable to Pay the Piper, Fiscal Crisis Looming]

    Now We have been following developments in the midwestern area of the [EMPIRE] Israeli-American Empire and their budget cuts for Schools, Roads, and Unioized workers, the cut Must be Made but the [EMPIRE] workers cannot sacrifice this generation is truly the worst, the see-nothing, know-nothing, hear-nothing [EMPIRE] citizens and their delusions soon the day of rage will stomp them out for good WE [TRIATHLON] know this!

    [ON, WISCONSIN!]

    [A, O, WAY TO GO OHIO!]

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  8. A, O, WAY TO GO OHIO!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  9. A, O, Way to Go Ohio!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  10. The empire will fall soon and Clinton-Diane Rodham with it, bet on it!

    HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

  11. Don’t believe the Empire lies from Clinton-Rodham Diane.

  12. Don’t believe the empire lies.

  13. “On January 22, 2009, three executive orders were issued by President Obama, although only one of these orders explicitly deals with policy directed at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, most noticeably, the camp’s closure within one year. All three could possibly impact the detention center, as well as how any detainee future or present will be held by the United States. While mandating the closure of the detention facility, the naval base as a whole was not subject to the order and will remain operational indefinitely. This plan was thwarted for the time being on May 20, 2009, when the United States Senate voted to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.”

    1. Obama could have pushed harder for this, but the Senate looks like the culprit here.
    2. The Senate vote was 90-6 with most Dems voting to keep Gitmo going.

  14. The New York Times cites a law professor who is “pleased” that “the review panels would include representatives from the Departments of State, Justice and Homeland Security as well as Defense and the director of national intelligence.”

    What? Nobody from the Star Chamber?

  15. New boss=Old boss?

    1. Nah. Boss = boss.

      1. I looking for someone’s ass to kick.

  16. I’ve never understood why so many discussions of this issue confuse the Guantanamo prison with the indefinite-detention policy. It’s the policy that’s a black mark on America, and for all the “closing Guantanamo” talk it’s been pretty clear to me that Obama’s never had any serious intention of giving it up. I don’t care about the fucking base itself; it’s the indefinite detention without trial going on there that I can’t stand.

    1. But I guess the point is, what the fuck are these guys? See, if they are prisoners of war, indefinite detention is fine. Until the “war” is over. Is there a war? No need to get angry about the policy, unless you’re certain of what they are.

      I think they are a quandary, and nobody knows what to do with them.

      1. Unless you think both administrations were/are deliberately equivocating as a way of avoiding relinquishing the policy.

      2. If they’re POWs we’ve ripped the Geneva Conventions to shreds with our treatment of them.

        The official line is that they’re unlawful enemy combatants due to lack of uniforms, which is a joke as “Terror” doesn’t have a recognized uniform for them to wear.

    2. I don’t think there were ever plans on closing the naval base itself…he promised to close the prison there.

  17. one prob w closing is some home countries dont want them back.

    I think the Seasteading Institute might finally have its early adopters!

  18. Nice to see Obama condescending to give the due process that SCOTUS has already signed off on. Shame about the two year delay, though. Chalk it up to political expediency and naive fecklessness, I suppose. Oh, well – eggs, omelettes, etc.

    How should this work? Jihadis detained by our guys should get a prompt hearing on whether or not they have are actively engaged in the terrorism or insurgency.

    If not, drop ’em off where we picked ’em up. Exactly where we picked ’em up.

    If so, then I suspect they are war criminals – killing people without the sanction of the international law of war (uniforms, chain of command, etc.). I’m sure there’s something on the books that makes directly or indirectly doing shit like planting IEDs, shooting up markets, killing our troops outside the law of war, a crime.

    Give ’em either a death penalty, commuted on condition of cooperation with our inquiries, or a life sentence, which can always be commuted at our discretion.

    1. Problem is, most of Gitmo detainees were not initially detained by our guys…they were handed over to us by a third party.

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