Militarization of Police

In Case Your School Isn't Zero-Intolerant Enough

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Hmmm. Maybe they *should* have gone to jail forever.

By now, we're almost numbed to stories like this one, in which an 11-year-old boy who was told by his therapist to draw pictures instead of act up when he was upset ended up being hauled off to the principal's office after drawing some stick figure violence and the phrase "teacher must die." But what gives this Drudge-bait a little extra oomph is that when the school proved to be insufficiently hardass about the incident, the cops came in.

The school was aware that the boy was in treatment, determined he was not a threat, notified his parents and sent him back to class. His mother, "Jane" was shocked when Arvada Police showed up at their home later that night.

She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car. His mother says she begged police to let her drive her son to the police department and to let her stay with him through the booking process but they refused.

They put him in a cell, took his mug shot and fingerprinted him. He says he thought he was going to jail and would never be able to go home again. […]

At first school officials did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night. A juvenile assessment report shows he's never been in legal trouble before and is at low risk to reoffend. […]

[H]is parents say it has cost them thousands of dollars so far.

Sometimes I try to re-imagine the routine hijinks of my Carter-Reagan adolescence through the lens of modern-day tolerance and law enforcement…nope, can't do it.

Reason on school zero-tolerance policies here.

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  1. At first school officials did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night.

    Those teachers and cops surely deserve their pensions.

    1. We’re committed to an environment of tolerance and diversity, which is why we have zero tolerance rules to prevent any deviation from our behavioral guidelines.

      1. Ha Ha!
        the tolerant are often so intolerant

  2. Well, it isn’t like they involuntary committed him

    http://forums.roadbikereview.c…..?p=3214191

    1. Re: rather,
      No, they just voluntarily scared the shit out of him, humiliated him in front of his mother. He should be thankful.

      You twit.

        1. I refuse to read your bottom. Go sit on an anthill.

          1. Old Mexican, you are a typical Libertarian

            1. And what exactly is a typical Libertarian like?

              Go eat a bag of dicks.

              1. And what exactly is a typical Libertarian like?

                They usually tell you what they are like when they write their reply but then there are the clever ones

  3. Luckily for me, my mom was on all the school boards and knew all the administrators, so it was almost impossible for me to get in any real trouble. That doesn’t mean I didn’t try, though.

    1. In any political system, it’s all about who’s got the juice.

      1. Epi’s Forrest Gump-his mama gave out her chocolates

  4. zero tolerance = zero intelligence

  5. Matt: you left out the hat tip to the person who linked it in the morning links thread (unless you found it independently):

    Pip|2.22.11 @ 10:19AM|#

    Arvada Police arrest 11-year-old over ‘inappropriate’ stick figure drawing

    http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-…..9823.story

    1. I found it by looking at The Drudge Report.

      Though it’s true I tweeted about National Margarita Day w/out hat-tipping the commenter who tipped me. JUST LIKE HOSNI MUBAREK.

      1. That was me, you monster.

        1. You don’t deserve hat-tips. I would email Matt and tell him this, but there’s no way he’d hat-tip me for it.

        2. You’re the monster, drinking a mixed drink like that

      2. Me too!

        I wonder if we were reading it at the samew time. If so, that’s so romantic!

      3. You need to start wearing dictator style military outfits on all your TV appearances, Matt. If people think liberatrians are all crazy anyway, might as well run with it.

        1. Getting to make up your cool uniform is just one of the many perks of being a military dictator.

        2. Just make sure it includes a monocle and a top hat.

      4. No one’s hat tipped me about the Ciavarella conviction. Of course, no one’s posted about it either…

        1. Has he been sentenced yet? Talk about a guy who needed to be put under the courthouse… It’s like the middle section of Stephen King’s, The Talisman, brought to life.

          1. I thought Straub wrote The Talisman.

  6. She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth

    Well, there’s the fucking problem. Never talk to the police.

    1. Exactly. Most clients I’ve represented would have been much better off if they had SHUT THE FUCK UP.

      1. ^^^
        THIS

        The mother was far too trusting. When being questioned by the police the correct answer is “I refuse to answer that question without an attorney present.”

        1. I always tell clients that there is almost never anything to be gained by giving a statement to the police. If they are asking for one that means that they do not currently have enough evidence to arrest you–if they did you would already be in custody.

          1. This x1,000,000.

            If you aren’t sitting in a jail cell pending formal charges and bail, the cops don’t have you. Therefore, don’t give them anything. The only informaiton you are obligated to give the police is your legal name.

            1. Nobody talks, everybody walks.

        2. Better yet, let your attorney answer all the questions. Let the pigs find some real fucking evidence or they can fuck off.

      2. More helpful advice from your friendly criminal defense attorney. http://www.craigslist.org/abou…..63945.html

        Useful quotes therein: “If Officer Friendly is asking you if he can search your car, that means he has no right to search your car unless you give him permission; otherwise, he wouldn’t be asking you for permission.”

        and

        “When a cop says to you, “Anything you say can and will be used against you”, that’s your cue to shut the fuck up.” Probably a good idea to do it before then, too.

        1. A high school friend of mine who was a police officer said that a cop will probably search your vehicle whether you give permission or not. He said that you should not give them permission anyway, to bolster your defense in court.

    2. should have lawyered up.
      A lawyer sitting there with a calculator. When the police ask him what he is calculating, he would just reply the amount of damages for false arrest that would bankrupt the city and destroy the police pension…
      (thats a dream of course)

  7. May the URKOBOLD wither their taints.

    Slowly and with excruciating pain.

  8. Kid in Fairfax killed himself after a disciplinary hearing recommended expulsion. was downgraded to transfer. whole thing was based on a coerced a confession as search of his stuff turned up nothing.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..04528.html

    1. Wow. Stay classy, FCPS!

    2. But that’s not “bullying”, right? RIGHT?

    3. If I read tomorrow that someone went through that school’s admin office with a machete, I’d smile and turn to the comix.

  9. I was thinking about this last night and it made me wonder just what kind of assholes are these cops that they would be so gung-ho to arrest an 11-year-old kid and can’t they be sued, given that the kid was following his therapist’s instructions?

    1. One would think that we’d all wonder the same thing, except that we know the pigs will do shit even worse and more pathetic than this. So it’s zero surprise any more.

    2. What kind of fucked-up assholes are these cops that they see nothing wrong with pulling away an 11 year-old kid from his crying mother, to take him downtown and book him for DRAWING A FUCKING PICTURE?

      1. Their lack of reasoning and PR skills seems to be limitless.

        However, I know many people who back ’em, right or wrong….

        1. That’s what you get when you intentionally undertrain cops.

      2. At least it was a picture of Mohamed.

        1. wasn’t. At least I’m a dumbass who can’t proofread.

          1. Maybe it was and he deserved to be arrested.

      3. Because if he shot up his school the next day, everyone would be up their ass saying “But the warning signs were all there! He drew a stick picture! Why didn’t you do something!”

        1. Bah. That’s not a good excuse, because the repercussion would still be the same – nothing.

  10. If you’re a cop, you either are one of the ones who will happily arrest an 11-year-old, or you tolerate those who do. In either case, fuck you.

    1. The scene: 5 or 6 cops sitting at a table at the bar telling “war stories”…..“Yeah, remember when we took down that 11 year old…. the stick figure drawing……Oh yeah…that was righteous. Yeah, it was in this years performance review…Hell yes…that qualified me for hazardous duty bonus pay this year…the union is going to use it as a bargaining chip this fiscal year”!

      A cluster of Barneys Fife!!

    2. Cops are the bitch of statism.

    3. Please explain what a police officer who disagrees with arresting this kid should do to show he or she does not tolerate it.

      1. “lease explain what a police officer who disagrees with arresting this kid should do to show he or she does not tolerate it.”

        How about fucking anything?

        1. I recommend not being a cop anymore.

  11. I would prefer to think that a decent human being, if working as a police officer, would flat-out refuse to haul a child off to jail for drawing a picture, relinquishing his job if need be.

    Or do I contradict myself?

    1. No you didn’t contradict yourself, you just led us to the obvious conclusion.

    2. I’m sure the justification is as a “scared straight” sort of thing, but even if that stuff really worked it would be a wholly inappropriate thing to do with a child struggling with some degree of mental illness.

      I can tell you from experience that the only thing locking a kid up who is having mental troubles (whether in jail or the psych ward) will accomplish is to have that kid never tell anyone about the troubles he’s having again. The next time this kid sees his therapist, that person is going to play hell getting him to talk about anything.

  12. What if the drawing had been of teacher in the center of a bukakke circle?

    1. I bet his next picture is of himself shooting some pigs.

      1. Meanwhile kids can still draw a picture of themselves shooting dogs if they’re interested in a fasttrack to a law enforcement career.

    2. Jeff P, that was so fucking funny I just bukakied myself…well, it was black coffee but still…;-)

  13. The lesson learned here is crystal clear: STFU & lawyer up

    This boy’s suicide has taught some parents to pound this lesson into their kids’ heads.

    “How horrible a system we have that we as parents need to train our kids not to speak to teachers, cops, or administrations. I’ve told my kids they have one thing to say – I want to speak to my parents, and to not write or sign anything.”

    1. That article ruined my breakfast Sunday morning. Yours too?

      1. I graduated from high school in Fairfax County, but that was before the advent of zero tolerance. Not that I’d have gotten into trouble like this, but I’m glad I missed that whole atmosphere.

      2. It enraged me for sure.

  14. WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT PIG FUCKER DUNPHY?

    1. hamina hamina hamina hamina….

  15. Is the embedded video loading for anyone? I want to know which elementary school this is.

    Arvada is my hometown, and it’s a matter of pride dammit!

  16. I know I’m just a corporate attorney and mostly ignorant of such things, but my advice would’ve been simple. Instead of admitting that he wrote “teacher must die”, he should’ve instead said that he meant “teacher must dye.” The little stick pistols were water guns filled with food coloring. As a product of public school education, this would be believed.

    1. Either that, or explain that he’d been recently been learning German. “Teacher must the”

      1. No one who speaks German could be an evil man

        1. Truly, the language of Goethe and Kant cannot be used for evil purposes.

    2. Uh, he does that and he gets more than probation. Lying to cops is a seriously bad idea given the amount of under-the-table arbitrary power they have.

      1. Lying? It’s not lying. It’s refreshing the recollection. I worked for a judge for a while, and that’s what they call called it.

  17. I didn’t RTFA, but how did the cops even find out about this and why did they call school administrators?

    At least they stopped this kid from continuing down the path of crime that is listening to his therapist. They have to be proud of that.

  18. For those who want to actually file a complaint with the moronic police who did this you can email them here:

    Policeadmin@arvada.org

    1. These boys just whine like bitches-don’t bother

      1. I see you spewing your retardation all over this thread, but I can’t read any of it. It’s beautiful to not see you, you pigfucking whore.

        1. Warty, everyone know you read everything I write, How’s your hard-on? It’s hard to ignore Isn’t it?

          I bet you yell WHORE every time you ejaculate

          1. Epi, Warty needs you to hold his dick

            1. WHAT? I CAN’T HEAR YOU! SPEAK UP, MORON!

              1. Epi, help me-suck my dick

                1. I wonder if his cum tastes like authentic maple syrup? I am so discriminating with my punctilious standards-Did I mention I’m a classy dude?

                  1. Yes, dipshit, continue talking to yourself. That’ll show me, you shitgargling hooker.

                    1. Poor Warty-it must be throbbing-I wonder if he cries after he cums?

                    2. Narcissistic personality disorder

                      U.S. National Library of Medicine
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                      Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves.
                      Causes, incidence, and risk factors

                      The causes of this disorder are unknown. An overly sensitive personality and parenting problems may affect the development of this disorder.

                      Symptoms

                      A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

                      * React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

                      * Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

                      * Have excessive feelings of self-importance

                      * Exaggerate achievements and talents

                      * Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

                      * Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

                      * Need constant attention and admiration

                      * Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

                      * Have obsessive self-interest

                      * Pursue mainly selfish goals

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                    3. you are stupid

    2. Just one point of interest your post reminded me of: Arvada is practically next door to Columbine, so the folks around there are still a little nuts on this subject. Lovely people otherwise, but “once bitten twice shy” and all that.

  19. Sometimes I try to re-imagine the routine hijinks of my Carter-Reagan adolescence through the lens of modern-day tolerance and law enforcement…nope, can’t do it.

    Nixon era here. We had on campus student smoking areas in my high school. Students actually handled starter pistols as props in plays. Tom Lehrer’s Vatican Rag was played over the PA system before school by the Radio and TV club one morning, Jethro Tull’s Cross Eyed Mary on another.

    We were the most free high school students up to and after us.

    Sad, ain’t it?

    1. I graduated in Alabama in ’84. Lots of us carried pocket knives then–most guys in the South just do that–and lots of us had shotguns, .22s, .30-30s in the trunk or the back of a pickup, esp. during hunting season. None of us shot up the place either.

    2. Yep – graduated HS in MI in 80. The stuff we did? I’d have been in jail, no doubt…GOd, we had fun! Hard to believe we thought we were all oppressed and shit….oh wait….WE WERE.

      It’s just gotten WORSE…

      1. Joys of going to HS in the mid 80s, next to a bunch of swampy, duck-infested land.

        Never did it myself, but before they phased it out, heard of more than a few seniors going duck hunting before class. (6:30 AM for the band members) Not sure if they kept the birds on ice in their trucks or went home to drop the birds and guns off.

    3. None of that kind of shit will be permitted.

  20. School administrators don’t get paid enough to use judgment.

    Rulebook ?ber Alles

  21. This isn’t really a “zero tolerance” story.

    It’s a “Cops are assholes” story.

    If the end of this story was the kid got suspended or expelled, it would be a trifling matter compared to the whole “arrested” thing.

    Given the choice between dealing with an asshole public school administrator and an asshole cop, I know which one I choose.

    1. It’s a “Cops are assholes” story.

      That’s always the safest takeaway.

  22. I’ve always found that “Intolerance will not be tolerated” a bit oxymoronic and self-contradictory.

    1. Only if you assume that those making the rules are also subject to the same rules.

  23. If the kid hadn’t been busted and he subsequently hosed a classroom with an “assault” weapon, we’d all be crowing about how “the system” doesn’t work. As it is, the kid was busted and we’re all crowing about how “the system” doesn’t work.

    1. Actually, the problem is that there are no reliable indicators that a kid is going to “hose a classroom with an assault weapon”.

      It is simply that the Administrators like to pretend they are “doing something”. What they are actually doing is ruining the lives of countless children in a useless effort to ‘prevent another Columbine’.

      Despite all of their efforts, there will be ‘another Columbine’ and stupid ‘experts’ will appear on talk shows and in front of legislative committees to explain how another increment in state power can prevent it.

      1. How many kids die from school shootings compared to drowning in pools or dying in car accidents? As scary as school shootings are, they’re not exactly causing a whole lot of deaths

    2. If the kid hadn’t been busted and he subsequently hosed a classroom with an “assault” weapon, we’d all be crowing about how “the system” doesn’t work.

      We? Speak for yourself.

  24. By the time I got out of high school (1971) I had learned to avoid three types of people: coaches, cops, and sergeants.

    Nothing since has caused me to revise the list, though I do add to it from time to time.

    1. So, if I run into a Police Sergeant who Coaches a team….

      1. Away.

        You’re supposed to run away from people like that.

        1. No, I run away while Aresen keeps them busy 😉

  25. Man, I looked at the author of the article, saw it wasn’t Balko, and thought my groin was safe. I feel like I’ve just been open-palmed.

  26. At first school officials did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night.

    Why did the police call them that night? There’s no mention of anyone reporting the incident to the police.

    Clearly, something’s missing from this story, and usually the things that go missing from stories like this are things that paint the school or the police in a bad light.

    1. Pure speculation on my part: I predict it will come out that (at least) one of the boy’s classmates mentioned the incident to a parent, who called police.

      1. Likely, and almost certainly a Mommy. I’ve had to talk my wife down a few times about stuff that happens to the kids, and she’s no stick up the ass nanny type.

  27. The kid was probably a fag. The pigs too.

    1. Of course, we are fags too.

  28. The school was aware that the boy was in treatment, determined he was not a threat, notified his parents and sent him back to class. His mother, “Jane” was shocked when Arvada Police showed up at their home later that night.

    Question… how did the one state of affiars get to be the other? Ie, if the school determined he wasn’t a threat, how did the cops get involved, let alone the arrest?

    She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car.

    Observation… Mom epic fucked up. Epic. When cops come in to “question” my nine (eleven) yo daughter, I don’t “tell her to cooperate”, I stand between my daughter and the agents of the state and tell them they can go get a fucking warrant while I get my fucking lawyer. Rulez is rulez, bitchez. Reckanize.

  29. This might seem a little harsh, but in this era of Sarah Palin and Jared Lee Loughner, you can’t be too careful. Better for the little misanthrope to be scared out of his wits for a few days than to grow up and shoot a public servant because he sees a bunch of irresponsible crosshairs over her district.

    Or if you’d prefer we can just have sensible controls over political advertising in this country. But I know you guys don’t want that.

    1. Or if you’d prefer we can just have sensible controls over political advertising in this country. But I know you guys don’t want that.

      Reasonable restrictions on speech. That’s all we ask. An appointed five member commission on the FEC will determine what speech is reasonable, and what speech is not.

      It’s the progressive way.

  30. They don’t treat girls like this.

  31. When I was that age, we would sing songs about killing our teachers – openly! Everyone knew we were just being kids and weren’t going to actually kill our teachers.

    What the hell has happened to America? When did we declare war on children?

    1. It was determined the House Committee on Lexical Belligerence that “Children” would be the latest noun that America would wage on in hopes that it would go as successfully as the Wars on Alcohol, Drugs, Poverty, Obesity, Terror, Corruption, Pollution, etc.

  32. Remember this one? (Sung to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic):

    My eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school!
    We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule!
    We have turned the ladies bathroom into a public swimming pool!
    Our troops go marching on!

    Glory, glory hallelujah!
    Teacher hit me with a ruler!
    Met her at the door with a loaded .44!
    And she don’t teach no more!

    My friends and I sang that at lunch in elementary school in the late 60’s.

    1. Our lyrics were slightly different –

      Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school!
      We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule!
      We have plans to hang the principal tomorrow afternoon!
      Our troops go marching on!

      We also did one sung to the tune of Handel’s Messiah Hallelujah chorus:

      Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
      The school burned down.
      And all the teachers died!

      If you’re looking for the principal,
      he’s hanging from the flagpole,
      with a rope around his neck
      with a rope around his neck
      with a ro-o-o-o-ope a-round his neck!

  33. “A juvenile assessment report shows he’s … at low risk to reoffend”??

    How about low risk to offend? At least before the arrest.

  34. I find it repugnant that a child can be arrested just for something they write or draw. Where are their First Amendment rights?

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