New York Joins the Four Loko Four; CBS Affiliates Warn the Drink Will Blow Your Mind
Yesterday New York joined the Four Loko Four, the states (Michigan, Oklahoma, Washington, and Utah) that have banned caffeinated malt beverages. Sort of. Under pressure from Gov. David Paterson and the New York State Liquor Authority, Four Loko's Chicago-based manufacturer, Phusion Products, has "agreed" to stop shipping the drink to New York. Meanwhile, the New York State Beer Wholesalers Association is urging its members to stop distributing Four Loko and similar products. "We have an obligation to keep products that are potentially hazardous off the shelves," said Dennis Rosen, the liquor authority's chairman, "and there is simply not enough research to show that these products are safe."
Every alcoholic beverage is "potentially hazardous," and none will ever be proven "safe," if by that Rosen means risk-free. But there's no question that a can of Four Loko, which has less alcohol than a bottle of wine and about as much caffeine as a cup of coffee, can be consumed without serious adverse effects. If every alcoholic beverage had to pass the reckless college student test, they all would be banned.
Baltimore Sun writer Erik Maza notes that Four Loko, like LSD, has the power to cause insanity in people who have never consumed it. People like Mike Hellgren of the Baltimore CBS affiliate WJZ, who reports that "a Maryland woman is dead after the drink made her lose her mind." According to "friends and family," that happened right before the woman, 21-year-old Courtney Spurry, slammed her Ford pickup truck into a telephone pole. A friend who was drinking with her before the crash reports:
She changed that night. She was not the same person. She could not remember people's names. She passed out within 30 minutes of having the alcoholic beverage.
That suspiciously clinical account evidently was enough to justify WJZ's headline: "Alcoholic Energy Drink Made Md. Woman 'Lose Mind'" (even though neither the friend nor anyone else quoted in the story actually used those words). Note that after one 23.5-ounce can of Four Loko (which is about as strong as wine), a 100-pound woman such as Spurry would have had a blood alcohol content of around 0.2 percent, which is good and drunk but a state of consciousness that drinkers across America commonly experience without losing their minds (even if they add a cup of coffee to the mix).
The other story cited by Maza comes from the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia, which claims a 43-year-old man "spiraled into a hallucinogenic frenzy" after drinking one and a half cans of Four Loko:
"It was like he was stuck inside a horror movie and he couldn't get out and I couldn't get him out," said Mary Alice Brancato, recounting a scary incident involving her husband last summer….
Brancato says after drinking just one and a half cans of the caffeinated alcohol drink, the suburban dad began having nightmarish delusions.
"In his mind, he had harmed all of our kids and he had to kill me and kill himself so that we could go to heaven to take care of them."
Nothing could have been further from the truth.
"Next think I know, he was having convulsions making gurgling sounds as if someone were choking him and then he stopped breathing."
According to this account, the guy consumed the equivalent of seven five-ounce glasses of wine, plus a cup and a half of coffee. Assuming he weighs 170 pounds and he drank it all at once, his BAC would have been around 0.15 percent. It seems fair to say that his reaction was highly idiosyncratic.
The weird thing is that such accounts, which make Four Loko more attractice to precisely the demographic that regulators supposedly are trying to protect, try to make alcohol seem scarier by likening it to LSD and psilocybin. Yet by most measures, those drugs are substantially safer than alcohol.
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/nanny state
Oh, they're not done.
Perfect storm of spooking the herd and people that are just so happy to have a real news person pay attention to them.
Fear is the little mind killer.
Or, from the TV news perspective, "Fear is the time filler."
Slight thread diversion, but related:
Our wonderful legislators here in Virginia are going to introduce new legislation to outlaw that synthetic marijuana "spice" or whatever the hell the crap is called.
The Richmond Times-Dispatch reports:
"School officials in Richmond and in Chesterfield, Hanover and Henrico counties said there have been no reported problems with students using Spice in their schools.
Hanover Sheriff's Capt. Michael J. Trice said the county has documented incidents where Spice has been consumed, but added, "We are not currently aware of any serious complications resulting from its use in Hanover County."
Yet another solution in search of a problem, from our intrepid state legislators.
Navy has black balled almost every establishment in the Hampton Roads area that sells it
I need to try some. What's the taste like?
They have, I think, 8 terrible flavors. Cranberry Lemonade is the least awful.
Orange is actually pretty good. And remember kids, one can per night...just take my word for it
My favorite is Lemon Lime. Lemonade isn't bad in a pinch.
Diabetes in a cup with shitty alcohol. That being said, it should remain legal.
How exactly is the alcohol "shitty"? A molecule of alcohol is the same whether in the cheapest beer or the most expensive liquor.
I think you're reading that a bit too literally.
Watermelon is my favorite. I'm suppin' on one right now.
The above reactions are of course hyperbolic, but this stuff is indeed potent.
had to kill me and kill himself so that we could go to heaven to take care of them.
This shit sounds awesome. Demonic posession in a can! Fun at parties!
I'm sure more than a few people (including myself) have tried this repulsive concoction solely because of the overblown reported danger. I tried the purple one, YECH. Can't really imagine the other ones tasting any better, but this whole "it will make you want to kill your family" advertising tactic is working on me.
Waffles, if you didn't like the grape, stay away from the yellow/red can. That crap makes the grape taste like a 5 star feast.
I've bought a couple myself, only because of the scare stories. I wonder what 4L's sales numbers look like?
I bet they are going up, up, up.
Don't you get it? These are just the opening salvos in the coming War on Caffeine.
How to bring this country to either a standstill, or encourage widespread riots, looting, and violence:
Ban caffeine, tobacco, and sugar... all in the same day.
Virtually instantaneous martial law would result. And don't think Team Red/Team Blue hasn't salivated over that outcome.
The weird thing is...
Your news nose is broken.
The media-wide agreement to go along with...not the Kochtopus, presumably, but something like it, but real...and pump out all these law-justifying Four Loko Madness stories simultaneously is the weird (in the sense of "unsettling," not "abnormal," because it's totally normal) thing.
All prohibitions start?or visibly start, at least?with the same rash of "rash of ______-related ______" stories.
Who ordered the code red?
Someone (or some -pus) did.
I had a little bit of this stuff several months ago, but did not drink much because I needed to drive home later. I still don't see what the big deal is.
Of course, the people lose their minds and go hysterical. But I think most of it is just the media hype. I don't think most people dumb enough to buy their message of fear.
What next? Are they going to ban Redbull and vodka?
I have seen this stuff taking over the convenience store coolers for a while now, and had no interest in it. Now with all the nanny statists coming out in force against it, I'm going to try a can. If nothing else, I'll get to tell my kids how great Four Loko was back when pot was illegal.
"We have an obligation to keep products that are potentially hazardous off the shelves," said Dennis Rosen, the liquor authority's chairman, "and there is simply not enough research to show that these products are safe."
Is there enough research to show that these products aren't safe?
Cigarettes, alcohol, automobiles, airplanes, cell phones, plastic bags, shoe laces and aspirin are all "potentially hazardous"... I guess we will all be safe once we ban life.
Next proposal? Kill everyone and everything to end all suffering and leave the planet safe for all nonexistent humans.
In other words...
"In order to protect our state mandated monopoly on distribution, we will toe the line on Four Loko."
^This^
"Kill everyone and everything to end all suffering and leave the planet safe for all nonexistent humans."
Now that's a plan I could get behind! We should never let a Four Loko crisis go to waste.
""If every alcoholic beverage had to pass the reckless college student test, they all would be banned.""
If that's the bar, everything would be banned.
Several six pack shops in my area have put up 4 loko signs in the last couple weeks. They know whats hot and i'm sure 4 loko appricates the publicity asdfasdf
This Four Loko stuff is sounding better and better. I may have to pick some up. It's still legal here in Texas.
This seems strangely similar to the anti-Absinthe frenzy that came out after the turn of the century. Junk science, junk medicine, anecdotal stories attributing almost supernatural powers to a drink that could much more easily be explained by stupidity.
Or the lead barrels it was stored in.
I'm intrigued myself.
Course I'm a light weight, so probably woudn't even drink the whole can.
Not unless I did some meth before hand, lol
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I was just talking to a friend of a friend who works for a company that distributes this stuff. Apparently as soon as the news reports started coming out about the stuff, it began flying off the shelves.
One good thing, we found the young white woman to name the asinine law after.
Some legislator is putting the finishing touches on the Courtney Spurry Caffeinated Alcoholic Beverage Act (but with a snappier acronym than CSCABA) as we speak.
Saving Courtney with Uncaffeineted Beverages Alliance. SCUBA
Brancato says after drinking just one and a half cans of the caffeinated alcohol drink, the suburban dad began having nightmarish delusions.
My brain screams "Bullshit!"
Keep this guy away from the Ovaltine, if you know what's good for you, Mom.
I'm on Reason's side on this issue, but it seems a little goofy to call a drink "only about as much alcohol as a bottle of wine." If somebody told me that he was planning on drinking a bottle of wine and three coffees, I would guess he was going to end up reasonably hammered.
These cans are quite large, and have a volume only slightly smaller than a wine bottle. Someone would just as easily down an entire wine bottle as a can of Four.
"A high and a low do not mix well together," Sherwood said.
Well no more rum and coke, or coke and pot.
coke and ketamine
Why malt beverages specifically?
Does it have something to do with the fact that these are disproportionately consumed by minority youth?
Isn't asking that question racist?
Is it racist to point out that other people's beverage prejudices might be racist?
Actually it's because brewers create "malt beverages" to get around the higher taxes on non-beer mixers. It's why the Jack Daniels premixed booze is malt beverage instead of whiskey.
Rent seeking FTW.
Question from the peanut gallery: What is the effective difference between Four Loko and a Jager Bomb?
Though I am not a fan of the efforts to ban (in fact, I regularly partake on the stuff), I think that it might be a little misleading to only talk about the caffeine when discussing the stimulants. It lists guarine and taurine, too. I think that Reason is doing a great job at pointing out the absurdity of this whole mess, but I am afraid that this one small issue could weaken the credibility of what is otherwise a great series of articles.
*partake of the stuff
*guarana
Though I am not a fan of the efforts to ban (in fact, I regularly partake on the stuff), I think that it might be a little misleading to only talk about the caffeine when discussing the stimulants. It lists guarine and taurine, too. I think that Reason is doing a great job at pointing out the absurdity of this whole mess, but I am afraid that this one small issue could weaken the credibility of what is otherwise a great series of articles.
Guarana is simply a herbal extract that contains caffeine, similar to coffee extract. Taurine is a little more interesting, though. From the research it can be anxiolytic or anxiogenic, depending on the dose and duration of ingestion.
I can't find a label for Four Loko, to see what the mg ingredients/serving are. All the news stories say 12% alcohol with a "punch of caffeine". Don't know what a "punch" measurement equates to.
You know what we should do? start a fund so every time one of these asshole bureaucrats proselytizes about whats good for us, we hire a private investigator to dog their every move and come up with dirt on them. A guerilla smear campaign if you will. I mean completely effin' ruin them. Gotta send a message.
As a grad student in Ithaca, NY I have had no desire to drink this stuff at all. I wasn't even planning on trying it. But now I'm going to stock on on several. Good work, nannies!
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Like any other drink, you should drink with moderation. But no one should tell us what is better for us...
Good article guys!