"Rockets to Outer Space" Not Mentioned In Constitution
At American Spectator, Iain Murray and Rand Simberg love space, but don't see why space exploration needs to be centrally planned. Excerpts:
There's something about space policy that makes conservatives forget their principles. Just one mention of NASA, and conservatives are quite happy to check their small-government instincts at the door and vote in favor of massive government programs and harsh regulations that stifle private enterprise. It's time to abort that mission.
Loren Thompson, writing in the Forbes Business in the Beltway blog, recently suggested that President Obama's space policy represents the "end of the road" for U.S. manned space flight. Yet Thompson is simply repeating a defense of pork barrel politics that would play well in Huntsville or Houston. Moreover, his claim that President Bush had a plan that "might have one day carried astronauts to Mars," while Obama's version is "a science fair that literally goes nowhere," misrepresents both plans….
On its cost and schedule trajectory, Constellation would have created a gap of at least seven years -- until 2017 at the earliest -- during which we would have had to continue to purchase Soyuz launches and capsules from Russia, to use for crew changeouts and as lifeboats for the International Space Station. This is particularly ironic, because under the Bush plans, the ISS itself would be abandoned two years earlier, in 2015!
On the other hand, with the new plans, U.S. involvement with the ISS will continue until at least 2020 (and probably beyond). New commercial capabilities to deliver astronauts both to the station and to low-Earth orbit for exploration beyond would become available no later than 2015 (and probably earlier), at a small fraction of the cost of the planned Constellation rocket: the Ares I launcher and Orion crew capsule.
The new NASA plan would make those capabilities available not just to a few NASA civil servants, but to all comers, including private space researchers and sovereign clients (foreign governments) that have signed memoranda of understanding with Bigelow Aerospace to lease its planned orbital facilities, independent of the ISS.
The U.S. will thereby become a seller of human space transportation services, instead of a supplicant to and purchaser of them from Russia….
When Thompson writes that "those U.S. 'entrepreneurs' needed billions of dollars from the federal government to develop rockets based on old technology before they could take over from the Russians," we can only shake our heads sadly.
First, there is no reason for the scare quotes around "entrepreneurs." Space Exploration Technologies has invested hundreds of millions of its own money to develop its Falcon launcher and Dragon capsule, scheduled to fly next month, for a tiny fraction of the projected cost of Ares/Orion. SpaceX has a huge backlog of orders. In fact, to meet its ISS obligations as soon and cost effectively as possible, NASA needs SpaceX and other commercial crew providers more than SpaceX needs NASA…..
It is time for conservatives to recognize that Apollo is over. We must recognize that Apollo was a centrally planned monopolistic government program for a few government employees, in the service of Cold War propaganda and was therefore itself an affront to American values. If we want to seriously explore, and potentially exploit space, we need to harness private enterprise, and push the technologies really needed to do so.
Space enthusiast Katherine Mangu-Ward noted the final flight of Discovery here at Reason Online with a well-curated mix of past Reason writings on that ol' final frontier.
And Richie Havens sings Bob Dylan, warning us that "moon" and "doom" almost rhyme, and that there's a reason for that!
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On the other hand, I think we can all agree that issuing letters of marque to privateers to help fight space pirates is clearly Constitutional.
+1
But, but, there were no space pirates in 1789. Hurr durrrr..... collective rightz!!!111one!!eleven!
You defund NASA and you risk never bridging the divide between America and the Muslim world.
Minarets to the sky!
Thanks Brian for that moment of Havens.
First, disclaimer. I too agree that NASA, among many other things the government thinks only they can do, should be privatized.
Having said that...
We must recognize that Apollo was a centrally planned monopolistic government program for a few government employees, in the service of Cold War propaganda and was therefore itself an affront to American values.
I don't see the purpose in adding in "propaganda" to this sentence, then arguing its not up to American values.
While I agree on the premise that monopolistic functions aren't part of American values (not that I or anyone else has a lock of what American values are, were, or should be), the idea that societal propaganda is somehow against these values seems odd and misplaced.
Maybe it's just me, but I think the author is disagreeing more with the cold war with that portion of the statement than they are honestly disagreeing with something due to its theoretic incompatibility with American values.
Apollo was a centrally planned monopolistic government program for a few government employees
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of "employees" who worked on the Apollo program were working in the private sector. The author (in the broader statement) seems to betray an ambivalence (if not hostility) to the concept of government itself, not to mention Conservatism. It's an oddly snarky, backhanded jab that undermines his other points.
The author is saying that Apollo was an exceptional project in an exceptional time.
As a rule, one should not make decisions based primarily on exceptions.
Not only that, but how many government programs have stimulated not just private sector investment (despite the fact that yes, private industry certainly manipulated said "stimulation") but also advancements in particle physics and other cutting edge scientific fields. The Large Hadron Collider would probably have been built in Texas had the cold war not ended (see- Superconducting Super Collider)
I remain on the side of privatization of Space Exploration, but there are other functions of NASA, such as detecting and mitigating asteroids, that I think fall within the constitutional ideal of the government protecting and defending its own citizens. I don't want to privatize the military any more than I want to privatize planetary defense.
They were just as capable of preventing an asteroid impact in 1787 as we are now.
True, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't work on maybe getting better at it. No one had ever been to the moon before either.
For instance, The B612 Foundation wants to "significantly alter the orbit of an asteroid in a controlled manner by 2015". I want NASA doing this instead of shuttling Europe and Japan to the ISS. That is something our private industry should be doing.
No one has been to the moon in the lifetime of most reason commenters.
I was born during that tiny span of time in which man had already walked on the moon and would continue to be able to do it.
I was 8 for the first Moon landing. I can recall Apollo 7 on up, but nothing for Gemini nor Mercury.
Few other things in your life will match the excitement and let's face it, the shared experience, that the Moon landings commanded.
It was a truly magnificent feat of applied technology. Murray's and Simberg's snide commentary about a "centrally planned monopolistic government program" (which seems intentionally worded to evoke the Soviets, as if the two nations were moral and economic equals) notwithstanding, Apollo proved to the real central planners of the world that capitalism, even in its mixed-economy American form, was superior in every way to what their slave states could accomplish. The whole planet was watching, and taking notes.
I love how the Soviets were kicking the US ass with firsts in space from Sputnik on. Then the US finally beats the Soviets in the race to land men on the moon and finally gets a first marked on the "score card" and the reaction was "we win the space race!"
Um, ok.
Er, we continued to skewer the Soviets in the 70s and 80s in the space race. The Russkies never landed a man on the moon, never landed a probe intact on Mars, and never sent anything beyond the orbit of Mars. We did all these things by 1980. Not to mention we produced the first reusable spacecraft.
I'll admit that they were the only ones to land a probe intact on Venus, though. That sticks in my craw. Along with the fact that we're now going to be totally dependent on their technology for launching spacecraft now that we're discontinuing the Shuttle program.
The Soviets had the easy hits in the early space race because they had a big rocket (the R7), which they needed to lob a big nuclear bomb a long ways (Americans were happy with Thors and Jupiters - and SAC - all around the USSR's periphery, the Soviets needed something that could hit USA from deep inside USSR).
The Soviets never got a big booster working, the Proton was the terminus of their rocket-dev until short-lived Energia. As they reached the limits of the R7 design (the current Soyuz stack is highly-evolved R7 with HE upper stage) they reached the limits of what their space program could accomplish. As the Americans developed what could be described as the Great Pyramid of vehicles in the Saturn V, their space program capabilities expanded commensurately.
The Space Race of the 60's proved a space program is what you can put in space, which is dependent on the vehicle you start with on the ground.
Its that simple.
Its that simple.
I think you're wrong on both counts. I'm sure you're somewhat familiar with the advances in astronomical optics, etc.
Also, they were not capable of creating orbiting satellites with nuclear warheads in the 18th century. While that might not be proof against all asteroids / comets / meteors, it could potentially destroy or mitigate (by breaking up larger bodies) the damage caused by them.
It doesn't matter what optical technology you have, if the object you're attempting to find doesn't reflect light, you're not going to see it. Asteroids have notoriously low albedo.
Breaking an approaching asteroid up is probably not a good idea as you'll have the same amount of mass impacting over a wider area and possibly causing even more devastation. Deflecting an asteroid with a nuke is theoretically possible but would be very tough without significant advance notice.
Based on the technology we have to day or will have in the foreseeable future, there is not much we could do about an asteroid or comet with less than 5 years lead time.
As you point out, blowing the damn thing up would not do much good - unless you could do so early enough so that the fragments disperse over a huge radius from the mean trajectory (probably a minimum 200,000 k disbursement from the centerline would be required and you would still get hit by some sizeable fragments.)
If Apophis goes through the keyhole in 2029, we better have something up and running by then.
In the meantime, we should be looking out in case Apophis has a big brother out there sneaking up on us. (I think the name Thoth is already taken.)
What are the time-lines for gravitational nudge?
Effective gravitational "nudge":
Minimum change in asteroid trajectory required ~10,000 km.
Maximum expected acceleration imparted by gravitational nudge ~ 1 micrometer/second.
10,000 km = ? (.000001 m/s^2)*t^2
T^2 = ?(10^7 m/(10^-6 m/s^2))
T^2 = ?(10^19)s^2
T = approx 7*10^9 s = roughly 200 years.
OOPS. Major math error
Third equation should be
T^2 = 1/2(10^13)s^2
then
T = roughly 7^10^6 s = roughly 3 months
Which makes me think that the 1 micrometer/s^2 figure is way high.
(This would be a function of the gravitational acceleration exerted by the asteroid on the tug. The tug could not accelerate the asteroid by an amount greater than the force pulling it towards the asteroid, otherwise it would pull away. This gets into gravitational mechanics, which is over my head.)
ArrgH!
T = roughly 7*10^6 s = roughly 3 months
The proposal that seems the most logical to me for mitigating an impact provided as Aresen says at least five years time, is Tug-Sats and Heavy Rockets.
You don't need to move it very far to make it miss the keyhole. This is why we should probably start practicing.
Blowing asteroid up into fragments is not bad idea by default.
More fragments = more surface are = more burnup in atmosphere. If you were to take all the pebbles and such that hit Earth's atmosphere everyday and make them one daily incoming fifty-ton chunk, there would be Hiroshima in the sky everyday.
I didn't know about asteroids not reflecting light.
As far as breaking up an asteroid, that might still be useful -depending on it's size - if the fragments could be made small enough. The greater surface area would burn up more material in the atmosphere.
That's not quite true. Many of the smaller pieces will burn up in the atmosphere.
Another reason to oppose Cap'n Trade.
I've always assumed the same thing, to contrary of the experts.
I've always heard that it won't matter as it wil only spread the impact over a larger area. Why isn't that a good thing? 1,000 significantly smaller impacts is far more desirbale than one or two big ones. And the greater surface area for burning up fragments as well.
Of course, no impact is better than 1,000 impacts, but it shouldn't be discounted as a viable alternative, depending on the circumstances.
1,000 significantly smaller impacts is far more desirbale than one or two big ones.
That may not be so. Even a Cretaceous-sized asteroid wouldn't cause any lasting damage if it impacted in the deep ocean. (There would be earthquakes and tsunamis all over the place, but not the problems that the dust kicked up by a land impact or shallow water impact would create.)
With 1000 pieces you're guaranteed that a lot of them will land on dry land. Also, you're more likely to get 10 pieces than 1000.
I see that you are aware of the Freemasonic laser, brother.
"there are other functions of NASA, such as detecting and mitigating asteroids, that I think fall within the constitutional ideal of the government protecting and defending its own citizens."
Are you seriously implying that the constitution empowers the federal government to defend the country against nature?
I guess FEMA is constitutional after all!
Hey. Doing global analysis of non linear systems now. This course is fucking fun.
I still hate you.
Alright Tulpa, I don't really hate you.
My professor went into this long diatribe during the last class regarding American arrogance, the meaning of things and what things mean. His lecture was unintentionally brilliant, and I am sure that the college aged kids in my class missed out on some wisdom in their giggling. All happened on a mathematically based substrate.
At the end I knew how to do non linear global analysis. I can't wait for pde.
Yeah, that happens. I take pains to avoid talking about anything political or socially relevant in class, but still got the Dr Teabagger moniker for making a joke about the similarities between organized crime and the federal govt that one time.
The only math-related rant I remember was the Italian instructor of my PDE class in grad school going on and on about how Americans spend way too much time and energy taking care of their lawns. Long since forgotten which topic triggered it.
My prof was pissed that the textbook used a colon in set notation instead of a bar. Proof, along with our use of the English system, of American arrogance.
Also, that his kid's teacher had them putting arrows on the axes and on solution curves. This, he argued was evidence of a failing educational system. I am inclined to concede that point.
Are you seriously implying that the constitution empowers the federal government to defend the country against nature?
What I'm saying is that NASA is spending $15 billion a year to play schoolbus with the ISS. They don't spend even 5% of that on NEO mitigation and detection. I agree that an asteroid would be an act of nature, so yeah, I'm wrong to imply that government has this obligation. The constitutional ideal I referred to was that one of the jobs of the federal government is to protect from enemies both foreign and domestic, but you're right, an act of nature is an act of nature.
Sarcasm?
No, we just pretend that all asteroid strikes are potentially weapons sent from a faraway race of space bugs to attack us.
Pretend?!
Space bugs are real!
That's from Verhoven's Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine film, not Heinlein's masterpiece.
Are you seriously implying that the constitution empowers the federal government to defend the country against nature?
I do. Against asteroids and against epidemics, too. Probably not a bad idea to find a method to protect us against solar megaflares like the one from the middle of the 19th century.
How about against bedbugs?
Bedbugs are real!
Usually they are. But the ones that you feel crawling all over you after you drop acid probably aren't.
Meh. Isn't that whole paragraph thrown in to be all edgy and controversial and shit, and get the article talked about? It seems to be a common weriter's ploy these days as writers struggle to get their page views ranked highly for that day -- that's how you get to even appear in a lot of Internet users' morning "newspaper".
Shake: Hey, happy birthday! Hey, who's the lucky boy?
Frylock: Shake, how did you get in this beam?
Shake: Look, that beam came from space. You don't own space, so stop acting like you do.
This isn't helping your case for there being TV worth watching.
If you don't like Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Hugh, I don't know what to say to you. I mean, insane, plotless food items doing ridiculous shit is about the best television I could hope for. Plus it takes place in South Jersey!
The idiotic stoner-bait bullshit on Adult Swim is wildly hit and miss. ATHF falls neatly into the 'miss' category.
At least it's upfront with it being a complete waste of your life to watch, unlike this turdpile of a show
For every ATHF on Adult Swim, there is the joyful ode to nerdity that is the The Venture Brothers to keep the universe balanced.
Frisky Dingo is the shit.
New commercial capabilities to deliver astronauts both to the station and to low-Earth orbit for exploration beyond would become available no later than 2015
Maybe I missed something, but who or what will have that "commercial" capability in four or five years?
Cyberdyne Systems.
Bigelow Aerospace
They will have the capability to do in five years what the Shuttle does now? That seems optimistic.
He said a commercial capability to deliver astronauts to the ISS, not 50-ton segments of the station itself. SpaceX could probably do that within the year if they really wanted to; they've proved the rocket, they just need to prove out the capsule, too.
Neither Constellation nor any private venture really have anything plausible in the near future for a "heavy lift" vehicle, like the Shuttle kinda was.
But a nontrivial amount of thinking in the alt-space community is that "heavy lift" is a stupid idea anyway, since the hardware you actually have to lift to orbit is relatively modest; heavy lift vehicles (like Saturn V) are used to lift hardware plus a hell of a lot of rocket fuel for it to burn, because we insist on launching spacecraft with all the fuel they'll ever need on board.
The thinking is that the better approach would be to let spacecraft departing Earth orbit to first fuel up, or refuel, in Earth orbit, by putting a "gas station" up there. Then you can loft the hardware and all the fuel for the "gas station" on several launches of a relatively modest-sized (and therefore safer and cheaper) rocket. You get two more bonuses this way, which is that with more launches your rocket development costs are amortized better, and most of your launches will merely carry fuel, and for these launches the value of the cargo (hydrogen and oxygen) before it reaches orbit is essentially zero. You wouldn't even bother to insure it.
Yeah, dirty up space with carbon emissions. That's a great idea.
I am going to believe that is a Chad spoof, because nobody outside of Congress or the Westboro Baptist Church could be that stupid.
Chad actually knows his shit in regard to chemistry. Outside of that he is fucking lost. This comment is obviously a spoof.
Plus, no self-respecting environmentalist would prefer the only other currently viable alternative: nukes.
It's a pretty funny comment, however.
Good work, El Spoof - whoever you are.
What about nuclear rockets, Carl?
Chemical based fuel sources have met their limits.
Only problem with "fuel depot" in space is you still have to launch the fuel into space. Whether you make a zillion little launches or one big launch, the amount of fuel is the same for a given mission departing earth orbit.
People talk about the moon that way - as a refueling stop on the way to Mars - but the funny thing there is you actually need more fuel in total for a given mission than just going to Mars (assuming you aerocapture @Mars arrival).
Fuel depots are Buck Rogers, but not truly practical.
You could extract hydrogen-3 from the surface of the moon, storing it on the moon, making a rather effective space gas station.
SpaceX.
No, they'll have the capability to do what Soyuz does now.
The Falcon 9 rocket already has been proven to put things into LEO; the Dragon capsule has been partly tested on the Falcon 9. Four or five years to complete Soyuz-equivalent space access is eminently plausible.
Maybe, but catching up to a space station doing 17,500 MPH and docking with it is a little more challenging than depositing a satellite in orbit or going on a suborbital joyride. I'll be surprised if they're doing it by 2015.
That's silly. You need sound attitude and altitude control in both cases. You think they tell the customers they'll only guarantee the apogee of the satellite to +/- 50 miles? The bird may or may not be pointing the right way or spinning or whatever? Seems unlikely.
The only novelty is close-in docking, and that's not very tricky stuff. Gemini did it entirely with eyeball and stick. Now we have nifty things like laser range-finding and computer-controlled thrusters.
Since the payload is itself going around 17500 MPH, the catching up part is simple orbital mechanics. Docking remains to be seen, but will likely take place next year.
Scheduled to do it by December 2011.
My money is on SpaceX.
There are two existing industries that each have elements capable of producing parts of a workable spacecraft. The industry that makes submarines "Electric Boat" is an example. They have experience with creating livable environments in a location where pressure is an issue and which is cut off from Earth's atmosphere. The second industry is the aircraft industry. Combine elements from these two industries and you are mostly there. You just need to have a joint venture of Electric Boat and Boeing for example.
Electric Boing - I like it already!
Electric Boing also would be an excellent name for douchy, alternative/emo band
They could open for Little Trig and The Mongoloids.
I thought Electric Boat was a good name for a funk band. Don't you remember them opening for P-Fuk on the Mothership Connection tour?
As to Boeing, what a waste of a good umlaut.
Isn't getting bombed by a B?ing that much scarier?
Leave in the "e". Getting bombed by Oingo Boingo isn't so scary.
Getting bombed by Oingo Boingo isn't so scary.
Speak for yourself. Those bastards drop crates of CDs, not bombs. *shudder*
I remember the 1980s when the NASA space station (not yet International since the Cold War was still technically going on) was treated by pop culture as the exciing wave of the future (featured in an episode of Head of the Class, for example). Did it ever do anything of use?
You're thinking of Freedom.
It never got off the ground until it was merged with other space agency labs to become the ISS in the late 90s.
Before that there was Skylab in the 70s.
Freedom? That is worship word, for Yang worship. You will not speak it.
Also: MikeP - Worst. Episode. Ever.
There were no space hippies in that episode; ergo, not the worst.
"Freedom" was a different Richie Havens song.
I knew Freedom never got off the ground and was merged into the ISS eventually. Sorry if I was not clear.
What I meant was, did the ISS ever do anything of use? According to Wikipedia, it is still technically unfinished, yet it is scheduled to be shut down in a few years! Was this just pouring money down a hole?
Private space flight gave my friend Ben a stone penis.
Mine, on the other hand...
Depending on which version of the FF you're reading, the stonification of Grimm's penis is either the fault of the state-educated Richards, the machinations of Doctor Doom, or pure fucking chance.
Two words: Virgin Galactic
From wired.co.uk,
"If that's not the most futuristic headline you've read all day, we're not doing our job properly. The brilliantly named "The Spaceship Company" (TSC) has kicked off construction on America's first commercial spaceship factory in Mojave, which will crank out both passenger and carrier aircraft for Virgin Galactic."
I hope Virgin Galactic perfoms better than their Formula 1 cars.
As an irredeemable space geek since April 12, 1961, I really enjoy reading about spacecraft and watching launches.
But I have come to the conclusion that NASA has become more of a drag than a help to the exploration and exploitation of space. Like it or not, it is the exploitation of space that will make space travel worthwhile in the long run. This may, in the near term, mean nothing more than robotic missions that are aimed at space-based manufacturing or earth-sensing and communications functions with a small side industry of billionaire 'space tourism', but until the cost of launch to orbit is brought down to under $100/lb, there is not going to be any real space industry. It is private, profit-driven companies that will have the incentive to push launch costs down. Profit, not pork, is what will take us into space.
Do you think that the existence of NASA hinders private exploration/exploitation? Meaning that industry figures government will pick up the tab for research, and that profit making enterprise can come later?
That, plus the fact that private industry has a heavily subsidized competitor that can undercut them for the large-profit payloads.
You have to get those first payloads up to establish your capability and market, so the left-hand side of your demand curve (which incorporates those willing to pay the high prices) is cut out. You will therefore have to develop a high capacity, low cost system for a market that has not yet developed.
Where does the incentive come from? It seems that the only reason to explore space(at this time) is for the personal glory.
What resources are available outside of this planet that can be profitably extracted?
Eventually asteroids will certainly be profitable for their minerals.
Well yeah, okay. Eventually. What I meant is that: Is there a resource that is profitable in space?(presently)
There is space itself, which is profitable in terms of satellite services. Space tourism looks more and more promising.
In terms of other resources, no. There's nothing that we know of out there that won't be more economical to produce on Earth for a long time unless we learn to get into space much more cheaply.
Space porn and Luna Disney.
I've always had this mini-fantasy-hunch about Mars and fabulous riches.
Mars was full of the same ore-concentrating geologic processes as Earth - volcanism and hot hydrology - a really long time. But with no plate tectonics the place never "recycled" its surface back into the mantle, and as a result huge volcanoes and such are the norm.
But that leaves interesting possibility of gold lodes, silver lodes, that literally took two hundred million years of geology to aggregate and were never subducted or eroded away waiting for the enterprising amongst us. Mile-long seams of cheddar, Potosi after Potosi out on Tharsis, that kind of thing.
If such were discovered on Mars, the true golden era of space travel would soon be upon us. And wars. And the whole "space for everybody" UN circle-jerks would be over, because there'd be money in it.
All I know is that environmentalists are going to oppose mankind exploiting outer space. Don't even know what arguments they'll make, but they will.
Don't you capitalist greedheads dare lay a hand on Lady Luna!
Bush had a lot of plans. Mars is lucky this one didn't pan out.
For a gay dude you sure do obsess over bush a lot.
America, like a gay dude, could have done without it.
Good thing we elected Obama Bush to fix his mistakes.
Bringing astronauts to Mars would have been stupid anyway. Humans are too high-maintenance to be taken out in space at this point.
We should be working on rover-type robotic missions for asteroids and Jovian moons IMHO.
They'll greet us as liberators
May I do one of those threadjack-things?
Stopthedrugwar.org is reporting that the medical marijuana initiative in Arizona is now ahead by 4600 votes. There are still at least 20000 provisional and late ballots to count, though.
There comes a time, when we all must say:
"I, will build an asteroid, on the moon."
And that is why, I support, Steve Austin for congress.
Insert casino for asteroid. Brain fart.
"Asteroid" was kinda funny too.
Funnier.
Yes. But the commas seal the deal.
It seems that I commented on the future profitability of asteroids just before this comment. Now it makes me wonder if this is going to be a future government broken window: building asteroids on the moon to be launched into space and harvested.
30 Rock loses points when it acts like liberalism is the only sane point of view.
Is there any show on TV that doesn't act like liberalism is the only sane point of view?
Hell's Kitchen.
Ah, this is why my 20 and 30 something Obama fellating frends can't understand why I don't watch the show. I just presumed with the cast and creators that they would pull the usual TEAMBLUE shit.
I can still enjoy 30 Rock, but this episode grated me more than usual. I especially "love" how they did the "original" and "edgy" thing by equating smaller government with slavery in so many words. They should just stick to whacky hijinks, Jack professing the greatness of capitlism (while being portrayed by douchtastic fuckface Alec Baldwin), Jenna having orgasms, Tracy losing his shit, Pete lamenting his failed life, and Liz being terrible at sex. Alas, as a poster notes below, I'm afraid this might go the family guy route. Fuckin' Seth McFarlane failing to see his success is due to a mostly free market that has little to do with government bullshit (I.e. private individuals buying his DVDs after the first run of Family Guy was canceled). What a cunt.
I thought the whole episode was hilarious and the Steve Austin character was especially so. Do you only watch shows that match your viewpoint?
Yes, I watch TV, which means that I invariably watch shows that don't match my viewpoint. I too thought 30 Rock was funny, up to the point where its jokes are based on the common knowledge that people who are not liberals are corporatists or rightwing nutjobs.
See: Family Guy.
Exactly.
30 Rock loses points when it acts like liberalism is the only sane point of view.
It is.
Classically speaking, of course.
Space enterprise is everywhere these days. These guys flew a paper airplane to the edge of space and back, just because they could, I suppose. They even posted some photos and videos from 90k feet so we could vicariously ride along.
Somewhat on topic, I do not think anyone yet has mentioned the recent story about Space Bubbles:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sci.....omers.html
Jon histrion sat downbound with wife Maddow for a long recorded discourse that harm up stuff the completeness of "The wife Maddow Show" weekday period on MSNBC. Maddow said on weekday night's exhibit that the nakedness enter of the discourse module be posted on her show's journal weekday morning, but until then, the excerpts that ventilated crapper be institute.
Awesome. That's almost semi-coherent.
It beats my stuff. And I've been practicing for hundreds of years.
Dear NASA-
Eat shit and die.
That is all.
I don't know why, but Richie Havens is not someone I listen to very much, not on my IPod at all. Yet, every time I hear him, I enjoy it thoroughly.
There is hope for you yet, young Philistine. 😉
Technically national defense is mentioned in the constitution, a military isn't worth jack these days without a fleet of recon and telecom satellites backing it up, and those satellites need rockets to get there.
Note that I say "rockets", not "NASA rockets". Competing private offerings from at least three independent companies, please. And if NASA is finally forced to admit that those same companies are a more effective way to spend research dollars than it's own in-house launchers, that's just a nice bonus. NACA developed science that helped other people develop airplanes; back then the government hadn't yet gone nuts enough to want to crowd private industry out of an entire new technology.
If I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness and they tell me I have six moths or whatever, I'm convincing one of the private space entrepreneurs to send me on a one way ticket. The problem with human spaceflight isn't usually the going up but the coming back down safely part, so they'd probably jump at the chance.
And I'd go down as the first person to die in space. Awesome.
I was the first dog to die in space, and nobody can take that away from me. Not that anyone is trying to. But still.
The first ever monkey astronaut was Albert, a Rhesus Monkey, who on June 11, 1948 rode to over 63 km (39 miles) on a V2 rocket. Albert died of suffocation during the flight.
Albert was followed by Albert II who survived the V2 flight but died on impact on June 14, 1949. Albert II became the first monkey in space as his flight reached 134 km (83 miles) - past the K?rm?n line of 100 km taken to designate the beginning of space. Albert III died at 35,000 feet. (10.7 km) in an explosion of his V2 on September 16, 1949. Albert IV on the last monkey V2 flight died on impact on December 8 that year. His flight reached 130.6 km. Albert I, II, and IV were rhesus monkeys while Albert III was a cynomolgus monkey.
Monkeys later flew on Aerobee rockets. On April 18, 1951, a monkey, possibly called Albert V, died due to parachute failure. Yorick, also called Albert VI, along with 11 mice crewmates, became the first animals to survive rocket flight on 20 September 1951; although, he died 2 hours after landing. Two of the mice also died after recovery; all of the deaths were thought to be related to stress from overheating in the sealed capsule in the New Mexico sun while awaiting the recovery team. Albert VI's flight reached 70 km, below the definition of spaceflight. Patricia and Mike, two cynomolgus monkeys, flew on May 21, 1952 and survived but their flight was only to 26 kilometers.
On December 13, 1958, Gordo, also called Old Reliable, a squirrel monkey, survived being launched aboard JUPITER AM-13 by the US Army. He was killed due to mechanical failure of the parachute recovery system in the rocket nose cone.
Able on display at the National Air and Space museum
On May 28, 1959, aboard the JUPITER AM-18, Able, a rhesus monkey, and Miss Baker, a squirrel monkey, became the first monkeys to successfully return to Earth after traveling in space (defined as above 50 mile altitude by the U.S. at the time). They travelled in excess of 16,000 km/h, and withstood 38 g (373 m/s?). Able died June 1, 1959 while undergoing surgery to remove an infected medical electrode, from a reaction to the anesthesia. Baker died November 29, 1984 at the age of 27 and is buried on the grounds of the United States Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Able was preserved, and is now on display at the Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum. Their names were taken from a phonetic alphabet. Able inspired a character in the film Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian.
An excerpt from Ayn Rand's firsthand account of the Apollo 11 launch and its philosophical meaning:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/Pa.....m_apollo11
Yeah they stole money from you to do it, but just look at how romantic it is.
But it gave us Tang, microwave ovens, freeze dried ice cream, pens that write upside down, and astronaut diapers.
Astronaut diapers are real!
Pretty sure MOs came from WWII radar tech, nothing to do with NASA.
Also, tang was developed in the 50s, before NASA was even invented.
And the space pen was developed by a private company.
Wow. You're kind of dumb. And apparently proud of it.
Actually that was a mocking reiteration of what Rand said on the issue.
This is H&R. Turn your sarcasmometer on.
A more exhaustive treatment here.
I'm surprised Reason's musical selection wasn't this.
Yeah, Apollo and Dionysus is perceptive and funny. Rand's skewering of Woodstock and its hippies is right on the mark.
Wow. You're kind of dumb. And apparently proud of it.
Holy shit! Krugster just opined that the deficit commission's recommedations are bunk, and that the real way to solve the deficit problem is instituting death panels and a VAT.
Yes, he actually said those words. Goin' down all guns blazing, eh Paul?
Nice, Krugabe:
"Suck it, you hicks. The absolute worst thing which could possibly happen in this country is for government employees to lose their jobs."
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
"It is irresponsible for a group to suggest travelers opt out of the very screening that could prevent an attack using nonmetallic explosives," TSA Administrator John Pistole said. "This technology is not only safe, it's vital to aviation security and a critical measure to thwart potential terrorist attacks."
Your link has an extra brace at the end.
Fox Sports makes light of TSA intrusive security here.
"I can see and I suggest that all thoughtful men must contemplate the flowering of an Atlantic civilization, the whole world of Europe unified and free, trading openly across its borders, communicating openly across the world. This is a goal far, far more meaningful than a moon shot."
Barry Goldwater, 1964
No more buildin' giant space pricks what fer pissin' on the cosmos. A man wants to go space, he can strap on a helmet, climb in the cannon, and let the Chinese gunpowder carry him off among the stars.