The Times story portrays much of this stuff through the lens of corporations buying votes, but it's important to remember three other things: 1) The business of nonprofits is making sales calls to donors. Altria probably wouldn't have ponied up a bunch of money to pay off the CBC's mortgage if the CBC hadn't, you know, asked. 2) There are few more advantageous fundraising positions for a nonprofit to be in than being explicitly tied to the apparatus that writes all federal laws. And 3) funneling corporate money to other politically favored nonprofits is one of the classic ways politicians create patronage systems composed of sucker-fish NGOs. It is a little-understood reality of modern politics, and it is pervasive.
That the same people would in the same breath decry the "corporate takeover" of politics and support laws that criminalize individual acts of speech makes a kind of practical sense: If Altria (hypothetically) is going to spend $10 million on federal politicking this year, better that the money be at the politicians' disposal, rather than used independently to make an argument using media. Too cynical? Let's remember former Federal Elections Chairman Brad Smith's classic 2005 Reason piece on the nonprofit activities by none other than John McCain. Excerpt:
In 2001 the Brennan Center, a group that advocates campaign finance reform, held a large fund-raising dinner whose honored guest and speaker was the "straight-talking" senator from Arizona. Several big corporations--many with interests before the Senate Commerce Committee, of which Sen. McCain was then the ranking minority member--sponsored the event. These sponsors included such companies as Coca-Cola; the investment firm Bear Stearns; many top law firms with lobbying practices in Washington; cigarette manufacturer Philip Morris--yes, Big Tobacco; and even Enron, which as we know is the most evil corporation in the history of the world. The event grossed an impressive $750,000.
Now what does the Brennan Center do? Well, the Brennan Center lobbied extensively to pass the McCain-Feingold bill, an issue that Sen. McCain once declared was of "transcendent importance to me." […] The Brennan Center also provided legal services, pro bono, to defend the constitutionality of the McCain-Feingold bill in court.
So let's put this together: The Brennan Center invites Sen. McCain to speak and then approaches a large number of corporations, perhaps saying something like, "Sen. McCain--the ranking minority member of the Commerce Committee, before which your company has a great deal of business, and a possible future presidential candidate--is coming to speak. Would you care to sponsor a table?" And Enron and Coca-Cola and Philip Morris just suddenly decide that they are very interested in campaign reform and kick in some good old soft money, which the Brennan Center uses to lobby and provide free legal services for an issue of "transcendent importance" to none other than Sen. McCain. Appearance of corruption, anyone?
Wouldn't suggesting that corporations support the Brennan Center to provide legislative support to Sen. McCain on the issue that made his national reputation carry the same potential for blackmail and favoritism as corporate donations to political campaigns? Yet there is no suggestion that we should have broad prophylactic prohibition of that kind of fund raising--despite the fact that doing so would not only address this very real "appearance of corruption"; it would do much less to infringe on the free speech of the citizenry than McCain's treasured campaign finance restrictions.
Read that whole Smith piece here. As always, if you want less corporate influence on politics, then give the government less influence on our lives.
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As always, if you want less corporate influence on politics, then give the government less influence on our lives.
This is my go to rejoinder whenever one of my leftier-leaning friends or relatives starts up on the Citizens United decision. It's usually good for a grudging "True" and a quick change of subject.
Corporations shouldn't be allowed to buy votes. But ask anybody if they know a single person who has ever sold their vote to a corporation and you'll hear crickets. The only time I ever got stuck in this argument is when someone wittier than I said, "he didn't have to sell his vote, he already sold his soul". Later on, of course, I realized I should have said "for Rock N Roll".
Nobody you know has sold their vote, nor have they been persuaded by a political ad from a corporation. But those mythical "other people" have. Just like nobody you know drinks too much soda or eats too much fast food, but we have to control those behaviors because "other people" do. It's kind of an intresting psychological phenom.
And of course no one ever benefits from a corporation. It is not like they have employees that depend on the company for their livelihoods or anything. Nope, in liberal world corporations are these evil entities from outer space I guess sent down to foil the will and needs of the rest of us.
If you work for a corporation, you probably would want that corporation to get out into politics and defend its interests. Or at least I would.
But..but, if we don't do something, then GE will be president. And Proctor and Gamble will be secretary of state. And Exxon will be speaker of the house. We...must do something!
Fuck you, ProL. The last episode of that show invalidated all that came before. OH STARBUCK IS AN ANGEL? WTF?!?
Caprica has been somewhat interesting so far, but I'm only about 1.5 episodes in. It is better than I expected, but then again, I expect nothing from OH WAIT STARBUCK IS AN ANGEL?
Dylan "reinvents" the music originally composed by Anders, although it supposedly comes from some cosmic source. So Dylan is sort of channeling humanity's cylon ancestry. Or something. I dunno, it's open to interpretation.
I could've lived with Starbuck is an angel, I suppose, if the whole thing had made even bad sense. Oh, and let's all split up and get killed off by the natives.
If Caprica isn't to your taste, how about this spin-off?
BATTLESTAR SERENITY (Sci Fi)
From the minds of Ronald Moore (Battlestar Galactica) and Josh Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer; Firefly) comes this exciting new spin-off/mashup of two great science fiction series. In Battlestar Serenity, the female leads of both series join forces--and 'verses--to explore space. . .and each other's bodies.
Yea, I got a question. What's with the double standard? And why is the government even getting involved? And why do people cut non-profits a lot of slack? I fear non-profits more than I do Rupert Murdoch.
HURR DURR
CORPORASHUNS AREN'T PEOPLE!
And if corporashuns have free speech, then they get to vote!!11! Rupert Murdock will vote 3B times in 2012!
he gave that much to pols?
Before RC can do it, I'll trot out iron law #6:
Money and power will always find each other.
Well played, sage.
*takes bow*
Thank you.
As always, if you want less corporate influence on politics, then give the government less influence on our lives.
This is my go to rejoinder whenever one of my leftier-leaning friends or relatives starts up on the Citizens United decision. It's usually good for a grudging "True" and a quick change of subject.
I'm shocked.
SHOCKED, I tell you.
I am not falling for your shameless alt-text attempt to boost your traffic Matt!
Corporations shouldn't be allowed to buy votes. But ask anybody if they know a single person who has ever sold their vote to a corporation and you'll hear crickets. The only time I ever got stuck in this argument is when someone wittier than I said, "he didn't have to sell his vote, he already sold his soul". Later on, of course, I realized I should have said "for Rock N Roll".
Next I hear it I'm asking if there is an eBay section for that.
Nobody you know has sold their vote, nor have they been persuaded by a political ad from a corporation. But those mythical "other people" have. Just like nobody you know drinks too much soda or eats too much fast food, but we have to control those behaviors because "other people" do. It's kind of an intresting psychological phenom.
Liberals have their own set of xenophobias.
L'esprit d'escalier is a terrible thing.
Stop trying to confuse us with Polish.
And of course no one ever benefits from a corporation. It is not like they have employees that depend on the company for their livelihoods or anything. Nope, in liberal world corporations are these evil entities from outer space I guess sent down to foil the will and needs of the rest of us.
If you work for a corporation, you probably would want that corporation to get out into politics and defend its interests. Or at least I would.
You can joke about it now, but as soon as they start breeding and taking over America you'll be sorry.
But..but, if we don't do something, then GE will be president. And Proctor and Gamble will be secretary of state. And Exxon will be speaker of the house. We...must do something!
...for the children...
Coke and Pepsi, living together!
Mountain Dew will save us.
OMG, they have been swallowed by Pepsi! We need a new independent to save us.
Royal Crown?
"Royal Crown." See, they've already got the right name to take over the country...
Bah! No Royals are welcome here. What we need is a doctor! Where is Doctor Pepper?
We need a corporation with Moxie!
I'm still waiting for Ron Paul's Dr. Pepper commercial.
Hear who's talking 😛
Re: Saki-san 2.16.10 @ 11:13AM
The alt-text is a non sequitur. Most of our comments are off topic, regardless of alt-text, threats, bribes, or other means of inducement.
However, if you need the comment count, I'm willing to oblige: I loved McCain on Battlestar Galactica!
Sounds like a scam to me.
I should make that into one of Pro Libertate's Golden Rules?.
I don't think the role of John McCain was Mary McDonnell's best work.
I was thinking about doing something like that, maybe calling them Sage Commandments. Naturally they would be in haiku format.
I think I'll just sit back and write a bunch of Lamar's Corollaries to everybody else's rules.
McCain is one of the final five. And Obama's number "One".
Wow ... all the mysteries of the last presidential election have at last been revealed!
I refuse to believe that Sarah Palin is a cylon.
She's one of the hot and stupid ones, like the "Sharon" model.
Fuck you, ProL. The last episode of that show invalidated all that came before. OH STARBUCK IS AN ANGEL? WTF?!?
Caprica has been somewhat interesting so far, but I'm only about 1.5 episodes in. It is better than I expected, but then again, I expect nothing from OH WAIT STARBUCK IS AN ANGEL?
By the second half of the fourth season, Starbuck could have been a long haul trucker and it wouldn't have made a difference.
The Lone Trucker of the Apocalypse. That sounds like a good name for a country punk record.
Or a show on History.
The Lone Trucker of the Apocalypse. That sounds like a good name for a country punk record.
The Lone Trucker of the Apocalypse. That sounds like a good name for a country punk record.
By the Corn Pistils
I wasn't sure at first, but you've convinced me.
The reboot of Battlestar Galactica (obviously, I mean the second reboot), will consist of deleting at least the last season.
I've only seen the first two Caprica episodes. Seems okay enough to me.
So, where exactly do Dylan/Hendrix fall within the BSG mythology?
Dylan "reinvents" the music originally composed by Anders, although it supposedly comes from some cosmic source. So Dylan is sort of channeling humanity's cylon ancestry. Or something. I dunno, it's open to interpretation.
I'm okay with Dylan, but some people are ridiculous about him. And I bet he watched the show and said, "What the fuck? And why Jimi's version?"
I could've lived with Starbuck is an angel, I suppose, if the whole thing had made even bad sense. Oh, and let's all split up and get killed off by the natives.
If Caprica isn't to your taste, how about this spin-off?
I... I'll be in my bunk.
Strange, that's the reaction most people seem to have. Perhaps bunk distributors will be major advertisers for this series?
A CEO of a for-profit corporation making $500,000 a year is an evil, exploiting manipulator of public opinion.
A CEO of a non-profit corporation (pdf) making $500,000 a year is a selfless promoter of the public good.
Any questions?
#2 salary overall was amusing, although he has since changed jobs.
It was "head football coach" at University of Southern Cal.
Yea, I got a question. What's with the double standard? And why is the government even getting involved? And why do people cut non-profits a lot of slack? I fear non-profits more than I do Rupert Murdoch.
I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
Your winnings, sir.