Fear the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009!
Reason contributor and Overlawyered jefe Walter Olson lays out the case against the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009, a bill that would force anybody selling or storing food and selling it to a third party "to register with a new federal regulatory agency, submit to federal inspections, and, perhaps most significant, keep 'copious records of sales and shipment by lot and label.' Penalties for infractions will be very, very steep."
What could go wrong, asks Olson? For starters, two of the major players in this legislation, Sen. Dick "Tough nuts for poor DC kids in voucher schools" Durbin (D-Ill.) and Consumers Union, pushed the Consumer Products Safety Improvement Act, which mandates expensive and generally useless tests for toys, clothes, and more, thereby squeezing small makers of same.
We are now being asked to trust a legislative process in which Durbin and CU will count as insiders to ensure that the law's provisions are shaped so as not to pose an undue or prohibitive burden on small producers far from the Washington scene. If there was ever a time when I would have trusted Sen. Durbin and Consumers' Union with such a task, it was before the CPSIA debacle. Not only did the Durbins and CUs of the Washington scene help bring us that debacle, but - much less forgivably—they have continued blindly or mendaciously to deny that there is anything that needs fixing about that law at all, even as its damage has mounted month upon month. They do not deserve our trust on this matter.
Quick reminder of basic insight too easily forgotten: Most food providers are not in the business of killing customers!
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I continue to ask, where are the oh so vocal foodie champions, like Michael Pollan and Alice Waters on this issue? One can only assume that their default faith in government outweighs their proclaimed desire for a more diverse and dynamic food system.
If the objective is giving these folks a taste of what it is like being a gun dealer then this should be a success.
So, now my favorite ice cream stand is going to require federal licensing? I'm sure our lords won't ever think of cracking down on a treat. They never consider anything that tastes good to be unhealthy. Oh wait.
It is funny that recent scares with the peanut butter and spinach make people want to make new laws about food safety. If anything, the way that these things were dealt with, along with the fact that a relatively small number of people getting sick is suck a big deal, gives me a lot of confidence in the safety of the food supply. The attitude that we can fix it so nothing bad ever happens is scary.
Someone please explain the illustration. Thank you.
This better not effect my ability to get girl scout cookies. Or the BBQ plates the local volunteer fire department sells as a fundraiser.
Someone needs to stuff me!!
It's from Spongebob. A character is holding a "Nasty Patty" a prank version of a Krabby Patty intended to get back at someone they believe is a fake health inspector who tried to get free food.
/shame
Thank you, Seer. I think.
Quick reminder of basic insight too easily forgotten: Most food providers are not in the business of killing customers!
After having eaten hundreds of meals from third world street vendors and not once gotten ill from their food I've come to the conslusion that I have a consxtitution made od titanium reinforced steel.
Or the stuff (BBQ monkey meat, yeah!) ain't that dangerous after all.
"The attitude that we can fix it so nothing bad ever happens is scary."
Yep. Sadder and scarier still is that many who feel this way look to government first and not to science or intelligent procedure. I used to be fond of the term "sheeple" but that doesn't really cut it anymore. More like mass Ostrich syndrome.
third world street vendors
Can someone update me on the laest term for ass-backward cultures? Thought "third world" has been replaced a few times.
Actually, the picture is from a newer episode. The nasty patty episode only involved Spongebob and Mr. Krabs, while clearly Squidward is the one holding the patty here.
/more shame
yay spongebob! yay! i like spongebob! yay!
-too hard to focus on whatnots today-
Can someone update me on the laest term for ass-backward cultures? Thought "third world" has been replaced a few times.
It's a small blue planet, the third one out from a minor star in the boring part of the sticks. Most galactic sophisticates consider its inhabitants a disease.
You know the part of Demolition Man, when they say there were food wars, and only Taco Bell survived? Who do you think started them?
Joel,
When are you going to go back to your ship on MST3K? You were the best host!
It has great burgers, though. They put cheese on them. Who'd have thought that would work?
Taco Bell! Yumm!
I wonder if this will include breast feeding of babies?
After having eaten hundreds of meals from third world street vendors and not once gotten ill from their food I've come to the conslusion that I have a consxtitution made od titanium reinforced steel.
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agreed, there is something in americans diet or lack therof that leaves them open to such "infections" ah the raw conch reproductive organs in gauanaja or was it roatan. street venders in central and south america. new orleans hot dog vendors. done it all, and never gotten sick. well one time but it was a parasite from tromping through the rain forests
I wonder if this will include breast feeding of babies?
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dammit broben, dont give them any ideas! LOL
Joel,
When are you going to go back to your ship on MST3K? You were the best host!
No way. Dr. Forrester was bad enough, but that Pearl! Brrr! Have you seen her without makeup? I don't dare get drunk.
Nope, not going there.
Damn you, tags. Damn you to hell.
Did you just italicize the remainder of the thread?
LOL
I got food poisoning in the UAE from a street vendor, and it was entirely mythe FDA's fault. They sell these lamb sandwiches on pita, where the meet is skewered and roasted on vertical spits, and the first one I ate was heavenly. A few days later I had another. It didn't taste nearly as good, and I should have heeded that warning. Thought I was going to die.
I'd be really surprised if down-to-the-letter-bare-minimum-compliant federally enforced HACCP programs are half as useful to the public as the current "let's freak out about everything and even do extra testing on our suppliers because all we know is that if someone gets sick we get bad press even if it's the supplier's fault" most places are doing now...
Get ready for a lot more of this. The goverment will get it's nose in a lot, lot more.
Also, I love Sponge Bob.
This has been a problem ever since the Carter administration. There was even a Welcome Back Kotter episode where Arnold Horshak ate a potato knish from a street venor and became ill.
Patrick is more my speed.
Question: how do they have a campfire underwater?
Does vitriol come in liquid form? If so where can I get some? I require 40 oz that must be applied liberally and immediately.
I require 40 oz that must be applied liberally and immediately.
I think you have to fill out a form if you are buying more than 20 oz/month.
Nick...
think NY and salt....
one more step to total facism.
To Sponge:
I too have eaten a strange varied source of food from my navy travels.
I've eaten at soup carts in Korea where i was served "chicken" ( I'm sure it was dog) I lived off Thai Food for 6 months,Most of it from vendors. I ate from carts in japan, Duabi, Singapore etc. I've never been sick.
Americans have poor diets and weak stomachs.
Most of it comes fromt he varied amounts of antibiotics we devoure more faithfully than water.
Most Americans can't even handle a hot dog without indegestion.
The government needs to step back and focus on real problems. Like the FDA and all the drugs they let through that KILL hundreds of thousands of Americans every year.
Don't want to get sick...wash you damn hands.
Americans have poor diets and weak stomachs.
Most of it comes fromt he varied amounts of antibiotics we devoure more faithfully than water.
Oh, please. I've about had it to here (*puts hand at eye level*) of cosmo-wannabes going on about how crass, weak and coddled Americans are. This country has the most variety in food on the entire planet, and the foods range from the spiciest to the blandest.
Just say "no" to American exceptionalism, in all forms.
Most Americans can't even handle a hot dog without indegestion.
[citation needed]
ARGH! Between the CPSIA putting me out of business, bailouts, and now this... my outrage meter is pegged out.
*TILT*
I'm sure they'll refrain from demanding that mothers homogenize their breastmilk, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see legislation requiring that we follow a particular FDA-AMA-AAP-approved diet.
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I feel sick...
TFA doesn't mention any sort of physical limitations. Surely the law should say something along the lines of "sales of over XX million annually" shouldn't it? I mean, as it appears to be written, it really does seem to cover everything from ConAgra to lemonade stands.
I find it interesting that no one has suggested independent commercial food inspectors. Look at places that sell Halal food. I always feel comfortable when I see that a restaurant buys Halal meat. (and I am an atheist). It is mostly (see Halal scandal recently) prepared well from properly taken care of animals. I remember the hullabaloo when some ranchers wanted to have someone test their cows for Mad Cow for export to Japan. The dept of Agriculture told them they could not submit their animals and slaughterhouses to extra testing. How stupid is that? I would buy my meat and vegetables from a firm that had a certification from a testing firm that I could sue if I got salmonella or something similar. Lets really think like liberatarians here.
Most food providers are not in the business of killing customers
That's what they want you to think.
I still can't get over the "lead poisoning" law. If you're a nine year old kid on a motorcycle (or that kid's parent), is lead poisoning really what you need to be worrying about?
Right up there with alien abduction, I'd say.
P Brooks - yeah, I mean, nine-year-olds aren't salesman...why should they be worried about poisoned leads?
TAO,
Most Americans can't even handle a hot dog without indegestion.
[citation needed]
The Nation, TNR, MSNBC
Should be plenty there to keep you busy for a while 😉
"It didn't taste nearly as good, and I should have heeded that warning. Thought I was going to die."
We have taste buds for a reason.
I have to agree with AO. Just because we have a goddamn nanny government, doesn't mean we're all wusses. I like my steak RARE, thank you very much! And get me some deviled eggs while you're at it!
Ipecac at work was a terrible idea.
"Eat cake frosting out of the can until you want to vomit Eat cake frosting out of the can until you want to vomit"
WTF? Who does THAT?
"Most food providers are not in the business of killing customers
That's what they want you to think."
Idiots! Of course they want to kill us! How else can the joozians inhabit the earth after we're all dead?
The whole mad cow thing intrigues me. When the carcass is processed, they run a big ole recipricating saw right down through the center of the spine from head to tail. The little notch in your t-bone with the white goopy stuff? Thats where the spinal chord runs and the goopy white stiff is the spinal chord.
So, every time they split the carcass, the spinal chord gets shoved back and forth through your steak by the saw.
(i worked at a butcher shop for awhile.)
Er. Yum?
Yes, I've always cherished the freedom to eat contaminated meat. WTF is wrong with libertarians?
O-M-G, Tony makes me wish that MNG posted more often and joe would come back.
Tony, apparently you cherish the opportunity to further entrench Big Corporation's Interests in the government. I never knew good liberals were in favor of the merger of Big State and Big Business.
TAO, just add him to INCIF. My gag reflex has relaxed significantly since I did.
Boy, does that ever look wrong.
Yeeks
Big corporations should have to follow these regulations too, TAO. Your problem is that you assume that in all cases large corporations can buy off government officials to protect their interests. But the times are changing, and the power of the large corporations is fading.
whoever's doing the spoofing, please stop.
This is what mystifies me. I'm under the banhammer for going on three months but the retard parade of spoofers goes on unencumbered.
Fuck.
In Soviet Russia, the troll spoofs you!
AO,
So now do you agree that privately sanctioned discrimination is a bad thing?
I got sick in Germany, eating in the mess hall. Coupla beers fixed me up though. Never will eat salmon patties again, not even after 50 years.
Big corporations should have to follow these regulations too, TAO. Your problem is that you assume that in all cases large corporations can buy off government officials to protect their interests. But the times are changing, and the power of the large corporations is fading.
Too much lead ingestion as a child, traumatic head injury or an extra 21st chromosome?
So now do you agree that privately sanctioned discrimination is a bad thing?
Say what now? I'm not a psychic.
TAO, he,she's referring to the banhammer I think.
I don't even know what "privately sanctioned discrimination" means.
I mean, all discernment and "picking and choosing" is technically "discrimination".
GoLPP,
TAO says its stupid, not that reason doesnt have the right to do it.
Not serving blacks is stupid, but I defend any restaurant owners right to do it and my right to call them a fucking racist and never eat there again.
But the times are changing, and the power of the large corporations is fading.
Spoof-tastic!
The worst sort of idiocy.
Why just improve the FDA when you can create an ENTIRELY NEW regulatory agency?
My working thesis that the political class has simply forgotten which laws we already have, and so responds to any event by passing new ones appears increasingly validated.
Either that, or they just like paying extra bureaucrats to perform overlapping functions.
But the times are changing, and the power of the large corporations is fading.
Oh yeah, because the right people are in charge now!
They'll keep those corporations under their thumb all right. They'll turn them into their personal political lackeys.
Neo-merchantilism indeed.
This is one reason I've started studying vertical agriculture and hydroponics. I figure, at the rate congress is going, I will live to see the day when growing my own corn under a skylight will be cheaper and easier than going to a supermarket or restaurant.
jtuf,
You think you going to indulge in unlicensed agriculture? You got another thing coming, bubby.
WTF? Who does THAT?
I know, right? The trick is to stop when your vision starts to get blurry.
Note to spoofers: If you gotta spoof, do it once, and then quit. The law of diminishing returns kicks in quick and hard (see also: TofuSushi).
This bullshit makes me want to rage. Look at what Nancy Pelosi is saying about this. FFUUUUUU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzo7I7LuXWk
FDA's performance has really gone down, I dont know what the US govt. is paying them for, where has all the funding gone?
I think people should get proper food safety training, this will help them to eat and serve safe food and keep themselves healthy.