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Yet the article inexplicably makes no mention of judge shopping in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
Stop me if you've heard this one before: conservative litigants file cases in District Courts in Texas to secure favorable forums. I've lost count of how many of these stories I've read over the years. For reasons that are unclear, the New York Times decided to publish the exact same story, again. Mind you, over the past year, the frequency of cases filed in Texas federal courts has slowed to a trickle. I've told my students clerking now not to expect nearly as many huge disputes as in years past.
There truly is nothing new here. Other than a handful of cases filed during Trump 2.0, the story is completely a rehash of what has been written before. I do not understand why the Times felt compelled to invest resources in this story, which again, had nothing new.
Left unsaid, of course, is how liberal groups are judge shopping in the District of Rhode Island and the District of Massachusetts. But you might protest that cases in those districts are randomly assigned! But there is still 100% chance of drawing a favorable liberal judge. When the the number of progressives in the numerator is the same as the number of progressives in the denominator, Boston may as well be Wichita Falls. I'd love to see an expose about how many times Judges Talwani, Murphy, and others, have been stayed and reversed by the Supreme Court.
Anyway, nothing new to see here. And remember, sending a pizza to a judge is a threat to the rule of law but parking a guillotine in front of the Supreme Court is free expression.
128 retired federal judges: "We are going to file a frivolous barfare complaint against a government attorney because of his mean tweets. People might get so mad the mean tweets could be threats!"
Active judge: "A man brought a real guillotine to the Supreme Court? No big deal." pic.twitter.com/Xc9OIImuoM
— Eric W. (@EWess92) August 27, 2026
The Vice President's argument for more governmental intervention in the economy is based upon a morass of misunderstandings.
Vice President J.D. Vance believes that conservatives should abandon any commitment to free markets and limited government, in favor of what he characterizes as a more "Hamiltonian" view of government's role in American life and the economy. As Vance has recently explained, the ideas of Milton Friedman can only work if there are "Christian guardrails" and a virtuous citizenry. Insofar as those prerequisites are lacking, Vance suggests, the government needs to take a more active role.
Andrew Langer of the Institute for Liberty explains some of the follies in Vance's account in the Wall Street Journal. As Langer details, Vance seems to misunderstand markets, the importance of limited government, and the Hamiltonian ideals he purports to embrace. in the op-ed, "What JD Vance Gets Wrong About Hamilton," Langer notes
Mr. Vance's invocation of Hamilton obscures a fundamental disagreement extending back to the founding. Hamilton was a great statesman, but his political economy wasn't the uncontested expression of American republicanism. . .
Notes Langer, the policy choice today "isn't between the authentically American Hamilton and the alien Friedman. It is the continuation of an old American argument over centralization, economic direction and individual liberty."
Vance seems to think that adherence to free market principles (such as it was) is responsible for virtue's decline. Yet as Langer notes, this is a bit backwards.
Mr. Vance's history of America's institutional decline may have the causation backward. Laissez-faire economics didn't create the welfare state. It didn't transfer responsibility for human needs from local communities to Washington. Over several generations, government programs assumed functions previously performed by families, churches, mutual-aid societies, fraternal organizations and local charities.
Government expansion didn't single-handedly cause the decline of religious participation or civic life. But public provision frequently displaced voluntary provision. Americans increasingly looked to bureaucracies rather than to neighbors and communities for assistance.
Mr. Vance now cites the weakness of these institutions as a reason laissez-faire is no longer sufficient. But if government expansion weakened them, the answer can't be another round of centralization. That creates a self-reinforcing cycle: Government assumes responsibilities once exercised by civil society; civil society weakens; its weakness then becomes evidence that government must assume still more responsibility.
Langer concludes:
Government has a legitimate role in protecting rights, enforcing contracts, punishing fraud and preserving the conditions of ordered liberty. It can't manufacture faith, belonging, solidarity or moral purpose through economic planning. Those arise from relationships freely entered and responsibilities willingly undertaken.
People don't flourish because government determines how the economy should serve them. When people are free to pursue better lives, flourishing follows. A free society benefits from strong moral institutions—but neither markets nor liberty depends on government to impose them.
It would be good if more of our political leaders understood this.
Recently, Justice Jackson warned about a "Kafkaesque nightmare" at the Supreme Court. Well, I had my own.
A common recurring nightmare is showing up for school as a student and being unprepared. I've often had a variant of that dream where I show up for the first day of class as a professor, and was unprepared to teach. In one dream I had years ago, I had to fake my way through teaching Pierson v. Post.
Last night I had a new variant of that dream, which was an actual Supreme Court nightmare. In the dream, I was co-counsel in a case set for argument. We are at the Supreme Court. The bench looks the same, but the bar section is much smaller. Chief Justice Roberts calls the case. Our lead counsel looks at me, and says "I can't do it." He steps down. I immediately panicked, as I hadn't prepared for the argument at all. But I realize someone had to go to the podium, so it would have to be me. I walk to the podium, and say "Mr. Chief Justice and may it please the Court." My mind then turns blank. I don't know anything. I can't even remember the name of the case. I don't even know the name of our client. I just stand there in silence (something that has never happened before.) Justice Thomas, as per tradition, asks the first question. I have no clue what he is asking me, though I realize it is a softball to help me out.
At that point I turn around to look at the lead counsel to see if he can jump in, and he shakes his head no.
I then say "We will rely on the submissions in our brief," and sit down. Given the circumstances, that was actually a pretty good save. I'm proud my dream-brain thought of that argument on the fly. The Chief Justice said "Thank you." I don't remember the Respondent arguing, and I didn't give a rebuttal.
After the argument concludes, I walk down to the cafeteria. I am dreading all the hate mail I will get, so I didn't even look at my phone. Several people at the Court are trying to cheer me up and tell me I did good by subbing in at the last second. I am still mortified.
So yes, the Supreme Court is always on my mind, even in my nightmares.
I searched through some old posts about law-related dreams. There were many: when Justice Kagan yelled at me, when Judge Posner yelled at me, when SCOTUS issued a cease and desist order against me, when Justice Kagan sang her hand-down of a Shelby County dissent, when the Solicitor General received an award from the Chief Justice, when Justice Thomas came to one of my book talks, when I showed Justice Breyer galleys of my book, and more.
8/30/1967: Justice Thurgood Marshall takes the oath.

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Some short excerpts from the >35K-word decision by Judge Noël Wise (N.D. Cal.) in Stanford Daily Pub. Corp. v. Rubio:
Plaintiffs, Stanford Daily Publishing Corporation and Jane Doe, a noncitizen student holding an F-1 visa issued by the United States, bring their claims against Marco Rubio, in his official capacity as Secretary of State, and Markwayne Mullin, in his official capacity as Secretary of Homeland Security …. Plaintiffs allege that, since March 2025, the government has changed its immigration policy and pattern of enforcement, namely by arresting, detaining, and deporting students with F-1 visas when those students use their freedom of speech to express opinions that the government does not like—such as expressing support or empathy for Palestinian people, or criticizing Israel's actions regarding Palestine or the conflict in Gaza.
Plaintiffs argue that the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act … that the government relies on for its authority to cancel student visas and initiate deportation proceedings are unconstitutional…. [Those provisions are that an alien may be deported] if "… the Secretary of State personally determines that the alien's [presence] would compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest" … [and that] "[a]fter the issuance of a visa or other documentation to any alien, the consular officer or the Secretary of State may at any time, in his discretion, revoke such visa or other documentation."
The court concluded that the First Amendment generally fully protects resident aliens pretty much the same way as it protects aliens:
The First Amendment acknowledges no "distinction between citizens and resident aliens." The right to freedom of speech, and its correlative protection from government retribution based on hostility towards speech, has generally been accorded to noncitizens living in the United States. Am.-Arab Anti-Discrimination Comm. v. Reno ("AADC") (9th Cir. 1995); Bridges v. Wixon (1945) ("Freedom of speech and of press is accorded [to noncitizens] residing in this country.").
In AADC, the Ninth Circuit held the First Amendment prohibits deporting aliens for protected speech. As the court explained, "The Framers explicitly recognized that aliens within this country participate in a reciprocal relationship of societal obligations and correlative protection. 'As [aliens] owe, on one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their protection and advantage.'" Therefore, "the values underlying the First Amendment require the full applicability of First Amendment rights to the deportation setting." After all, "[i]f aliens do not have First Amendment rights at deportation, then their First Amendment rights in other contexts are a nullity, because the omnipresent threat of deportation would permanently chill their expressive and associational activities."
For reasons I'll explain below, I think this decision, like AAUP v. Rubio (D. Mass. 2025), is a plausible interpretation of the First Amendment precedents, but not the only plausible one. We'll likely know more when the First Circuit decides the appeal in that case, and then later when the Ninth Circuit decides the likely appeal in this one. And I expect that the matter will get to the Supreme Court if at least one appellate court rules in favor of the First Amendment claimants. Meantime, more from the opinion:
The decision goes further than other similar recent rulings.

Yesterday, in Stanford Daily Publishing Corp. v. Rubio, federal district Judge Noel Wise ruled that speech-based deportations of non-citizens violate the First Amendment. The decision is similar to previous rulings on recent Trump Administration efforts to deport non-citizen academics and students for speech the administration officials object to. But this one goes somewhat further in ruling that the statutes the administration is relying on are themselves unconstitutional, because they grant the Secretary of State nearly unlimited power to deport non-citizens if he deems their speech to be somehow adverse to a "compelling" US "foreign policy interest." Judge Wise's reasoning is similar to that of the the late Judge Maryanne Trump Barry (Donald Trump's sister), who ruled in 1996 that one of these laws was unconstitutional because of its extreme vagueness.
Here is an excerpt from yesterday's ruling:
[T]he Challenged Portion of the Deportation Provision is an intentionally broad delegation providing the Secretary of State leeway to suppress opinions that he deems harmful to foreign policy. The Secretary of State has wide latitude to enforce the provision with no limiting principles on how enforcement priorities are determined. The Challenged Portion of the Deportation Provision provides unlimited (and, in the government's view, unreviewable) discretion to the Secretary of State to decide which "beliefs, statements, or associations" endanger foreign policy. 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(C)(iii). This cannot be squared with First Amendment protections…
Freedom of speech is illusory if we are only "free" to express complementary views about the government and its leaders. The true freedom in the United States is our "profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide- open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 270 (1964).
I agree with Judge Wise's reasoning on these points. She also rightly strikes down the relevant laws based on their unconstitutional vagueness.
The decision also includes a massive compilation of evidence showing that the administration does indeed have a speech-based deportation policy, particularly when it comes to students and academics expressing pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli views. I am, to understate the point, no fan of many of these views. But the First Amendment protects speech we (or the party in power) disapprove of no less than speech we like, and awful views no less than benign ones.
Like other similar recent rulings, this one - following Supreme Court precedent - distinguishes between speech-based initial exclusions and speech-based deportations (allowing greater scope for the former). I recognize lower courts' hands may be tied on this point. But I would argue both are equally unconstitutional.
I do wish Judge Wise had devoted a bit more effort to addressing the argument that the First Amendment doesn't cover non-citizens or protects them only to a very minor degree. This issue was better covered by Judge Young in AAUP v. Rubio (decided last September).
I have myself explained why there is no immigration exception to the First Amendment in earlier writings (e.g. - here, here, and here). Most importantly, as I have pointed out previously, the First Amendment - like most constitutional rights is phrased as a generalized limitation on government power - not a privilege limited to a specific group, such as citizens. And the First Amendment bars speech-based deportations even if the federal government can exclude non-citizens for other reasons:
A standard response to [my] view is the idea that, even if non-citizens have a right to free speech, they don't have a constitutional right to stay in the US. Thus, deporting them for their speech doesn't violate the Constitution. But, in virtually every other context, it is clear that depriving people of a right as punishment for their speech violates the First Amendment, even if the right they lose does not itself have constitutional status. For example, there is no constitutional right to get Social Security benefits. But a law that barred critics of the President from getting those benefits would obviously violate the First Amendment. The same logic applies in the immigration context.
Judge Wise's decision also covers a range of procedural issues that I will not attempt to comment on here.
In a forthcoming chapter in an Oxford University Press book on Academic Freedom in the Era of Trump, I explain why speech-based immigration restrictions violate academic freedom, as well as freedom of speech; and that includes the academic freedom of US-citizen students and researchers, as well as non-citizen immigrants.
In February of this year, I explained in testimony before the US House of Representatives Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government, why religion-based immigration restrictions also violate the First Amendment. This precludes proposed legislation to bar or deport all or nearly non-citizen Muslims.
Finally, I would like to commend the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) for successfully representing the plaintiffs in this case. In a world extensive partisan bias and double standards, FIRE deserves respect for consistently defending freedom of speech and expression, regardless of whether the threat to it comes from the right or the left.
NOTE: In the initial version of this post, I wrongly assumed Judge Noel Wise is a man, rather than a woman. I apologize for the error, which I have now corrected.
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From the long opinion today by Judge Alvin Hellerstein (S.D.N.Y.) in People v. Trump:
Defendant Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, moved for leave to file a second notice of removal. I denied his motion, but the Court of Appeals vacated and remanded and, on remand, I was directed to consider (1) whether then former President Trump demonstrated good cause for filing an untimely notice of removal after the Supreme Court issued its decision in Trump v. United States (2024), and diligently sought removal; (2) whether removal under 28 U.S.C. §§ 1442(a)(1) and 1455(b)(1) is available at this stage of the state court proceedings; and (3) whether Trump's prosecution is for or relating to an act under color of federal office and whether he raises a colorable federal defense.
To remind people of the prosecution:
On March 30, 2023, a New York State grand jury indicted then former President Donald Trump on thirty-four counts of falsifying business records in the First Degree in violation of N.Y. Penal Law § 175.10…. The New York County District Attorney's Office (the "People") alleged that from August 2015 to December 2017, Trump orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election, by suppressing negative information about him to benefit his electoral prospects.
As a part of this scheme, the People alleged that, at Trump's request, a lawyer who worked for the Trump Organization as Special Counsel to Trump, Michael Cohen, "covertly paid $130,000 to an adult film actress shortly before the election to prevent her from publicizing a sexual encounter with" Trump. Cohen, following Trump's instructions, proceeded to pay the adult film star, Stephanie Clifford (aka Stormy Daniels), using a shell corporation. After the election Trump reimbursed Cohen, disguising each check "as a payment for legal services rendered in a given month of 2017 pursuant to a retainer agreement." …
On December 16, 2024, the New York Supreme Court denied Trump's motion to dismiss the indictment and vacate the jury's verdict, filed in light of Trump v. United States. On January 10, 2025, the N.Y. Supreme Court sentenced Trump to unconditional discharge, and entered judgment. Trump's appeal to the Appellate Division, First Department, is pending….
Those who want to know more about removal, timeliness, presidential immunity, and more need to read the opinion.
A new Ninth Circuit ruling raises a number of hard issues.
Yesterday, a divided Ninth Circuit handed down Richards v. Newsom, rejecting a facial challenge to a California law, California Penal Code Section 26806, which requires federally licensed firearms dealers to maintain digital recording systems on their business premises. The law was challenged on First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, and Fifth Amendment grounds. I wanted to focus on the Fourth Amendment issues in this post, as I'm not sure the majority's reasoning was right.
I hadn't heard of this law until yesterday, so my apologies if I'm getting the details wrong. But as I understand it, the law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (which I'll just call "gun shops" for short, if that's not too inaccurate) to have 24/7 video surveillance of "interior views of all entries or exits to the premises, [a]ll areas where firearms are displayed[, and] all points of sale, sufficient to identify the parties involved in the transaction." They have to store the video for at least a year, and agree to turn over video records in response to a search warrant or other court order.
From a Fourth Amendment perspective, this is a hard law school exam question. For starters, you have to figure out what to make of the order to have the system. Is the requirement of installation and use (to the extent a particular shop doesn't already have such a system) forcing the gun shop owner to act as a state actor, installing the device? If so, what exactly is searched, and whose interests are implicated— those of the gun store owner, or the customers and others in the gun store? Does this fall within the famously murky record-keeping framework of California Bankers Association v. Schultz, or is it more like an order to compel records as in Carpenter or Chatrie?
But wait, there's more. Under Maryland v. Macon, there's no reasonable expectation of privacy in a store open to the public, but here the surveillance is 24/7, and you don't know what might get recorded after work hours. So would there be Fourth Amendment rights in the video itself, or would it depend on which time window of video the government later tries to compel? And which of these issues can be addressed in a facial challenge, and how might the closely regulated industries exception apply or not apply, under City of Los Angeles v. Patel?
I don't have time for a long post to do the case justice, unfortunately. But here's one part I want flag that strikes me as at the very least incomplete, if not likely wrong: The state action analysis. At one point in the case, the panel discusses the plaintiffs' argument that the law made gun shops state actors under the Fourth Amendment. Here's what the court says:
Unable to articulate any physical intrusion or actual access of audiovisual recordings by the government, Plaintiffs instead argue that Section 26806 transforms FFLs into state actors for purposes of the Fourth Amendment. To support this argument, Plaintiffs argue that they satisfy three tests discussed in Brunette v. Humane Society of Ventura County for determining when a private party has engaged in state action under 42 U.S.C. § 1983: (1) the "joint action" test, (2) the "symbiotic relationship" test, and (3) the "public functions" test. See 294 F.3d 1205, 1210 (9th Cir. 2002). Again, we disagree.
This seems odd.
First, Fourth Amendment state action is generally an agency test that looks at whether the private party was acting as the government's agent, which in turn looks to knowledge, acquiescence, and the like. The Ninth Circuit has sometimes instead in Fourth Amendment cases tried to summarize state action analysis from outside Fourth Amendment law, which is what the panel is doing here, and was doing in Brunette. But even if you try to apply the different "tests" from outside Fourth Amendment law, the 2002 Brunette case did not purport to provide a comprehensive list of theories of state action.
Of particular relevance, Brunette did not ask the court to consider the "state compulsion" test. As the court put it in Children's Health Defense v. Meta Platforms, quoting Supreme Court caselaw:
As we have explained, the Supreme Court has identified four tests for when a private party "may fairly be said to be a state actor": (1) the public function test, (2) the joint action test, (3) the state compulsion test, and (4) the nexus test. Lugar, 457 U.S. at 937, 939, 102 S.Ct. 2744.
The Supreme Court in Lugar rooted this test in Adickes v. SH Kress & Co., which held that a restaurant would be a state actor if it refused service to a customer because of a state-enforced custom of segregating the races in public restaurants. Adickes noted:
For state action purposes it makes no difference of course whether the racially discriminatory act by the private party is compelled by a statutory provision or by a custom having the force of law—in either case it is the State that has commanded the result by its law.
I wonder, why isn't a gun shop turned into a state actor by a statutory provision requiring action under this state compulsion test? Maybe the resulting act wasn't a search or seizure, and maybe it's not an issue that can be address in a facial challenge. But I'm not sure why whatever action is compelled wouldn't be state action.
Fabricated identities, fictitious daycares, and made-up laws.
Please enjoy the latest edition of Short Circuit, a weekly feature written by a bunch of people at the Institute for Justice.
New case! IJ clients Charles and Eli Copley own 50 wooded acres in Roxbury, Conn., where they've always welcomed hikers for a small hourly fee, an absolutely harmless use that is not visible to the neighbors. But the town says that might violate the zoning code—just not any part of the code that is written down—and the Copleys haven't been able to have any hikers for a year. Outrageous! Click here to learn more.
New on the Short Circuit podcast: Our #12Months12Circuits series makes it to the Eighth. There's irreparable harm and contractor speech.
From today's decision by Judge Kyle Dudek (M.D. Fla.) in Noshirvan v. Couture (for a 2023 decision stemming from the same incident, see Plaintiff Sues Defendant, Alleging Defendant's "Niche Is Cancel Culture"):
This case begins with a viral video. Plaintiff Danesh Noshirvan is a citizen journalist who built a social media following by exposing bad behavior in public spaces. In January 2022, he posted a video of Defendant Jennifer Couture confronting a young woman in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. The video caught fire, resulting in criminal charges for Couture and public backlash. Couture and her now-husband, Defendant Dr. Ralph Garramone, allegedly decided to get even.
According to Noshirvan, Couture and Garramone—acting individually and through Garramone's various business entities—hired a convicted computer hacker named Joseph Camp to retaliate. Camp, in turn, connected the couple with Defendant Patrick Trainor, a New Jersey lawyer who operates the Anti-Doxing League. What followed, Noshirvan alleges, was a retaliatory conspiracy by these defendants to systematically destroy his life and livelihood.
Trainor responded to Noshirvan's lawsuit with counterclaims for defamation and civil conspiracy. According to Trainor, Noshirvan used his social media account to falsely brand Trainor as a "Nazi," a "White supremacist," and a "pedophile."
8/28/1958: Cooper v. Aaron is argued.
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Bloomberg News (Jordan Fischer) seems to have broken the story. Culver is also accused of impersonating an NSA agent, a Supreme Court Special Master, and "the Director of Tailored Access Operations ('TAO'), a purported intelligence agency."
From the long opinion in Rokhvand v. Herzfeld, decided by D.C. Court of Appeals Judge Roy McLeese, joined by Judges Corinne Beckwith and John Howard:
This case arises from three incidents that occurred on three separate days in March and May of 2024 during demonstrations in front of the Israeli embassy….
Ms. Rokhvand and Ms. Barmada were engaged in a multi-month demonstration in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. in protest of Israel's recent military actions in Gaza…. The protesters used a designated area outside the embassy to set up their display of flags, tents, and signs and to engage in "noise demonstrations," during which they spoke into megaphones, played Palestinian music, or used noise machines. They displayed large signs with messages against Israel's military actions in Gaza, as well as a sign offering earplugs to passersby, along the sidewalk.
Rabbi Herzfeld is the rabbi of a Washington, D.C. congregation and the founder and leader of a Jewish school. During his tenure in D.C., Rabbi Herzfeld has been involved in the wider community and worked with other local faith leaders and elected officials. Rabbi Herzfeld has close relationships with family and friends in Israel and was "devastat[ed]" by the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel. Rabbi Herzfeld did not know of Ms. Barmada or Ms. Rokhvand before his interactions with them at the Israeli embassy. Likewise, neither Ms. Barmada nor Ms. Rokhvand had heard of or met Rabbi Herzfeld before their interactions with him during the embassy demonstrations.
The first incident occurred in the middle of the day while Ms. Barmada and a few other protesters, not including Ms. Rokhvand, were at the protest site. According to Ms. Barmada, a group of men including Rabbi Herzfeld approached the protest site and began slowly walking through the demonstration and "intensely … looking around." Ms. Barmada heard Rabbi Herzfeld call her a "Hamas supporter" and a "terrorist" who supported "raping women" and "beheading babies." Another man in the group called Ms. Barmada a "Nazi bitch" and said that she should "go to the concentration camp."
Rabbi Herzfeld began speaking about the protesters, pointing at Ms. Barmada and referring to the protesters as the "wicked people" that "we will defeat." The group of men again approached the protesters and walked back and forth in front of them, during which time Ms. Barmada and Rabbi Herzfeld exchanged a couple of remarks and Rabbi Herzfeld took something out of his pocket and stood near Ms. Barmada with his group. Ms. Barmada perceived the interaction to be a threat designed to "intimidate" her. She felt "scared" and "harassed" and that the incident was "violating."
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