90-pound Ohio Woman Who Was Tasered by Police Files Federal Lawsuit

Akron college student Chelsea Garrett, 23, told Fox 8 Cleveland that footage of her reckless driving last November 5 is disturbing. "I would never deny that, I was scared watching the video, seeing myself drive like that, ” she said. But Garrett, a diabetic who media describe as 5'2 and 90 pounds, was disoriented (worsened, she says, by some cold medicine) that day. When Stow, Ohio police pulled her over after she caused an accident, left the scene, then almost clipped a police cruiser, Garrett left her car and approached Officer Jesse Reedy. He Tasered her at least twice, after initially knocking her backwards onto the ground. Garrett describes it as Reedy having "punched her in the chest" with the Taser, which may or may not be accurate. However, you can see Reedy knocking her down in dashcam footage that is just slightly out of frame.

Now Garrett, who pled guilty to "reckless operation," is suing the Stow police for brutality in federal court.

According to Patch.com, Reedy, a four and a half year veteran of the Stow police force, and who was cleared of any wrong-doing in December:

told the Use of Force committee (made up of three Stow officers), initially it did not seem like the woman was under the influence of drugs or alcohol or in diabetic shock. 

"Yeah, someone that size is not so much really that I think that she is a huge threat, but I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me," said Reedy during an interview with the Use of Force Committee. "She knew what I was saying and she just didn't care ... she didn't want to listen to it."

Further description from the official police summary mostly matches the video, Garrett:

"almost immediately opened her driver's side door upon being stopped and sat in her vehicle for 12 seconds. She then exited her vehicle and stood next to the driver's door for 35 seconds. She looked back into her vehicle three separate times."

Before shocking Garrett, who according to the report was "staggering," Reedy drew his weapon out when she got out of the car and then drew out his Taser while giving verbal commands. 

The officer said he initially pushed Garrett to the ground instead of shocking her when she approached him because of her size, but after repeatedly not listening to his orders, he used the Taser, it says in the report.

Because Reedy gave verbal commands that were not obeyed and because the woman got out of the car and approached the officer which could be a threat, the committee ruled that Reedy handled the situation properly.

"If an officer perceives a threat through the totality of circumstances, he/she does not have to wait until they are harmed to deploy the Taser," the committee said in its ruling.

Except there's clearly something wrong with Garrett. She doesn't look falling-down inebriated, but she definitely looks hesitant and confused in the dashcam footage. Her movements are odd and when she's on the ground, her struggling with Reedy looks pretty feeble. In her lawsuit, Garrett says she was Tasered a third time while handcuffed. She says police could have just handcuffed her and her goal with filing a lawsuit is to change the policies for Taser usage. 

Not very much happened to Garrett and she certainly faired better than Allen Kephart or any of the 500 other people in the U.S. since 2001 whose deaths are associated with Tasers. But Tasers seem to be most likely to go from less-than-lethal to lethal when used on suspects who are drunk, on drugs, or disoriented, (that is to say, not in a state to listen to police commands)  so that's all the more reason to be extremely cautious with their usage.

(Hat tip to commenter rather)

Reason on police and Tasers, including Reason.tv's latest "Who's Lethal? Police or Tasers"


 

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "If an officer perceives a threat through the totality of circumstances, he/she does not have to wait until they are harmed to deploy the Taser," the committee said in its ruling.

    Would it make you's feel better, little goil, if the cop had beat her with his baton to get her to orient herself and stop making him piss himself in fear?

  • ||

    It would have made me feel better if the police thug got killed by on-coming traffic.

  • Anyway||

    That's the spirit! Eye for an eye! Biblical justice! Or at least libertarian "justice."

  • Jose Rodriguez||

    I imagine you air-quoted that last part before you typed it.

  • JohnD||

    Tellemoff, you are a freaking idiot. After seeing her picture I would have tased her myself just on general principles.

    You reason assholes have no trouble condeming cops for every thing they do and evern wishing them dead. I hope none of you jerks ever really need a cop. Try calling a lib next time.

  • ||

    Us "reason assholes" condemn cops because we know right from wrong. I don't need the cops any more than Germans needed the gestapo. The cops that I know need me to fight in wars that they are too cowardly to fight in. Cops are cowardly bullies who would rather raid a grandmother's house than deal with "shots fired".

  • Almanian||

    Repeat after me, Fist: "Officer. Safety. Officer. Safety. Offeicer...."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I have the same problem with "if an officer perceives a threat" as I do with sexual harrassment policies based on the feelings of the accuser and not on reality. People who can find an advantage in playing the victim will do so. (Admittedly in LEO confrontations they can on either side of the badge.)

  • ||

    excellent point

  • Juice||

    Maybe the cop thought she was a raccoon.

  • Father Jack||

    Maybe the cop was a feckin' pussy scared of a little girl.

  • ||

    Yeah, the UOF continuum, which seems to vary by department, has gotten much shorter in the past decade or so. And there's not a cop in the world that could tell me otherwise.

    And another thing: if a "citizen" is obligated to retreat when confronted by a dangerous person, why the hell are cops not obligated to do the same when a non-dangerous person is approaching them?

  • ||

    You know what? Fuck this shit. I'm going out to watch the Buckeyes game. I can't allow another pig abusing a disoriented woman to ruin my night...again.

    I'm sure dunphy will be here over the weekend to suck the brave officer's cock for doing a number on this woman. I'll happily get into it then.

    Sorry, Lucy. I love you, but I just can't do it tonight.

  • Anyway||

    It's all about you. Anyway.

  • No Its||

    All about you, Anyway

  • Anyway||

    I thought you left, sloopy.

  • ||

    sloopy as usual is full of shit. i am certainly not defendin this officer, because unlike him i don't defend unless i have a reason to. iow, unlike him i need a reason for an opinion

  • ||

    So, you're not defending him but I'm still full of shit?

    The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

  • ||

    You're Schmoopy!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...charged with a DUI in Akron for bouncing off a median wall on S.R. 8, hitting a vehicle in Akron and leaving the scene of the accident.

    'ello, what's all this then? Reporting on a DUI without telling me the blood alcohol level? They love citing those levels!

  • ||

    Garrett, a diabetic who media describe as 5'2 and 90 pounds

    Yeah, when contemplating philosophical issues, it's the human's physical attributes which are paramount. This is the stuff that propaganda is made of.

  • np ||

    This grandma in a wheelchair might get away! I better taser her just to be on the safe side.

  • ||

    You forgot the paraplegic asthmatic and the Holocaust™ Survivor.

  • np||

    "the goal of her lawsuit is to change the police philosophy on the use of Tasers"


    .
    Yeah, when contemplating philosophical issues, it's the human's physical attributes which are paramount. This is the stuff that propaganda is made of.

    Since Tasers are real physical things affecting real physical people, the philosophy of its usage somehow has nothing to do with the physical conditions involved.

    "philosophy of" != "philosophical issue"

    English comprehension. How does it work?

  • ||

    English comprehension. How does it work?

    via physics?

  • ||

    Fuck! Falsifying reports and ruining lives are a laughing matter to cops until the dashcam proves they are full of shit. Remember: other cops had to have known he was lying and could have stopped it before it almost ruined this kid's life. Instead, he had to get lucky to get justice. And the cop who falsified records, falsely imprisoned and tried to ruin a person's life still hasn't gotten fired, let alone charged.

    Again, fuck this. I'm leaving.

  • Anyway||

    I'm leaving

    Promise?

  • No||

    why don't you leave. Worry about yourself.

  • Jose Rodriguez||

    No...why don't you leave!

  • ||

    You're Schmoopy!

  • Isolated||

    incident.

    And nothing else happened.

  • ||

    waaaaaah!

    sloopy translation: he has a sad, meaningless life and this stuff is just pushing him over the edge

    there is all this wanton oppression of reckless hit and run dui drivers that needs to be addressed and he's the MAN (for loose definition thereof) to do it

    yes, sloopy the keyboard commando. making the world a better , freer place , one keyboard stroke (heh) at a time!

    all hail sloopy

  • ||

    Being a keyboard commando is infinitely better than being a pig.

  • ||

    hey, i am sure the benefit to society from the average cop is geometrically more beneficial than some keyboard commando loser like sloopy who spends his time tilting at such incredible injustices as this (for very loose definition of injustice)

    i mean seriously. get a fucking life

  • rather||

    All I know his Helle gases mice for a living....I hear his lab coat has a little swastika on it :-(

  • F Hart||

    benefit to society from the average cop

    I just threw up in my mouth a little.

  • ||

    How can something be "geometrically more beneficial"?

    And I have rarely, if ever, discussed the DUI oppression on here. You're grasping at straws now, dunphy.

    And to call something like falsifying records so you can charge a kid with 1st degree assault in an effort to ruin his life is a gross injustice. You'd have to be...well, you'd have to be a pig not to think so.

    You've lost your ability to even argue the facts of cases with me anymore, which means your argument has no merit. It's just personal attacks in an effort to obfuscate from the abuse that happens day after day in America at the hands of cops like the one I linked to above and the one Lucy posted in the story.

    Do us all a favor: just go back to your wife, Morgan Fairchild, until you can argue the merits of the case and stop childish namecalling.

  • ||

    Schmoopy is sad? Now I am sad.
    :-(

  • Lorider||

    Really dunphy? The "average" cop? Really????

    (Wish I knew how to italicise in this little box)

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

  • Hadouken||

    I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me

    So that's the standard now for using a taser on someone?

    Hey dunphy, why are so many cops such pussies?

  • Miss Piggy||

    MRSA is no laughing matter.

  • ||

    because being a pussy is often institutionalized.

    i certainly wouldn't have tased her. seems pretty suss to me. that's tangential to whether it was objectively reasonable under case law

    iirc, ohio is not in the 9th circuit so mcpherson does not apply

    also, they don't even show the video. they cut in and out.

    the video would be nice.

  • F Hart||

    5'2" 90 lbs.

    Cops are pussies!

  • ||

    no, that's not "the standard".

    try reading some case law, UOF guidelines, etc.

    the point is that the fact that she is 90 lbs, does not mean she does not "qualify" for a taser given certain facts and circs.

    whether THIS tasing was justified, that's another question

  • hurts donut||

    The cops involved are pussies. dunphy said he wouldn't of tased her given the video evidence. It looks like you're both in agreement you just need to drop the cop hate and dunphy needs to be willing to call out other officers when their actions are obviously in the wrong. Fuck case law and the standards in situations like this. Just because they can get away with using this amount of force doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable.

  • Wholesale Sexy Lingerie||

    I take issue with the notion that federal laws can supercede state laws but federal rights do not.

  • ||

    states can EXPAND rights beyond those recognized under the federal standard (and most do. mine does substantially) but all states have, as a baseline, the federal set of recognized rights)

  • Major Johnson||

    States cannot EXPAND rights. The constitution lists certain rights which may not be abridged, everything else from the right to chew gum to the right to fuck sheep falls to the states and the people of the states. The states may ABRIDGE those remaining rights for their citizens, but they cannot EXPAND rights since everything is already a right. Under your concept of rights the people would have NO rights other than those specifically set out for them in the federal or state constitutions, while the opposite is true. In other words the state cannot expand your rights to include chewing gum since you have that right by default, they can however abridge that right.

    This is a major problem in the USA, people think that rights are given by government when in truth they may only be taken away by government.

  • F Hart||

    ...to the right to fuck sheep...

    Only the consenting sheep, mister.

  • Major Johnson||

    Since rights are for people, not lesser animals, insects or objects, the sheep has no right to object. It would certainly be nice of you to at least buy it dinner and a drink first though, and if it kicks you in the nuts that's your fault for not knowing a ewe from a ram.

  • ||

    Isn't it sad that an officer of the law, like supercop dunphy, doesn't even have a basic understanding of how rights work?

    Of course, it's not surprising, but it is sad nonetheless.

  • ||

    Come on-- yet another unsympathetic "victim" of police brutality? And this one's trying to cash-in with a lawsuit?

    I'm reminded of a piece featured in Spy Magazine, back in the '80's, entitled "They The People: Dirtball Heroes of the US Constitution" (now conveniently available to read online via Google Books!):

    "...let us consider the unsung, unwise heroes: those criminals whose foul deeds provided the pretexts for the test cases that led to the establishment of the rights that make America the bastion of personal freedom we're glad it is. Let's take a moment to remember our rights... and the thugs, sociopaths and cretins who helped lock those rights into law..."

  • ||

    Perhaps Ms. Garrett will be just such a hero (Chelsea Garrett vs State of Ohio, 2012)-- securing our right to drive maniacally, leave the scene of an accident, and disobey police orders without suffering the indignity of being tasered.

  • ||

    Yes, because diabetics with low blood sugar are "maniacs" because they can get very disoriented. Would you say that you're a high-functioning retard, or more of a medium-functioning one?

  • Yes!||

    That's it! Apply the personal insults!

  • ||

    OMG, like, look at her makeup. She should totally be, like, tasered or whatever for wearing that.

  • ||

    She's, like, too skinny and small and stuff so she, like, totally deserves to be tasered by a cop twice her weight and, like, stuff.

  • ||

    Holy Moses! Take a look!
    Epis'arch decayed in every nook!
    Some rare bits of brain lie here,
    Mortal loads of beef and beer.

  • ||

    See, now I want some offal for dinner to go with my beer. Thanks a lot, jerk. Hmm...does Whole Foods have fresh liver?

  • Lucy Steigerwald||

    Bring back Hit and Run limericks, please. I will be so happy.

  • ||

    I can't claim credit for the poem, Lucy. Hier.

    I will try to do more limericks. Did you catch the one I did a few weeks ago about the spring break girls?

  • ||

    I felt quite contented as years flitted on
    That I to the coarser sex did not belong
    Little dreaming that ever the time would arrive
    That of female attire I would be deprived.

    By a freak of the lustful that spreads like disease
    Which demanded that females wear pants if you please,
    But I stuck to the decentest style of attire
    And to alter my “gender” I’ll never aspire.

    PWND, WHORES

  • ||

    To save you the trouble, here's the limerick.

    Warty|2.7.12 @ 4:42PM|#|show direct|ignore
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    reply to this

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  • ||

    I actually prefer H&R Haikus, Lucy.

  • ||

    I also pwnd haikus a while back.

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    reply to this
  • ||

    i love this weight thing. it's A factor to consider, and of course she apparently wasn't drunk, but any cop who does DUI squad can tell you the worst knock down dragout scratching, kicking, hellion on wheels type people we deal with ARE DUI women

    women in general are obviously less likely to assault but i don't know any cop who does DUI's who hasn't experienced the fury that is DUI crazy woman.

  • F Hart||

    Please. It wasn't like she was a 300 lb belligerent black woman with a nasty backhand.

  • ||

    Thanks for the anecdotal evidence, dunphy. I'll place it right over here in the trash can with the rest.

    You're the one who is always crowing about "totality of the circs." Well, part of that was the fact that she was a staggering, disoriented 90-lb woman, not a screaming, bitching chick who was pissed she got snagged. Hell, if the cop had taken a step back, it looked like she would have fallen on her face on her own.

    But again, officer safety trumps common sense, decency and respect of one's rights. All hail the thick blue wall!

  • ||

    " i don't know any cop who does DUI's who hasn't experienced the fury that is DUI crazy woman"
    ------------

    Doesn't the fact that you know so many cops who have "experienced the fury" and managed to tell you the tale from somewhere other than a morgue or a nursing home suggest that "the fury" is not really that much of a threat?

  • Yes!||

    It's 10:03 in Cleveland, and Warty's drunk. This might be fun.

  • HeroicMulatto||

    So if you disobey police orders you should immediately be tasered?

  • ||

    only if on-the-spot execution is too much effort.

  • ||

    except that's not the fact pattern. this is typical reasonoid idiocy. prior to disobeying officers, she had driven recklessly, and even almost run a cop car off the road as well as been involved in a hit and run collision.

    those are all facts and circumstances that warrant extra caution and THEN when she finally stops the car, and THEN disobeys orders to submit to handcuffing AND comes at the officer, she is at first shoved away (even then, she is not tased)

    the people who review this case, as well as the finder of fact in the civil trial, if there is one, will be considering all these things, not merely that she disobeyed orders.

  • F Hart||

    Why don't you just admit it. Cops love fucking with people. That's why they become cops. Most of the cops I know were the kids that everybody picked on in high school, and this is their big chance to get even with the world.

    The reason this cop tasered the girl is probably because she reminded him of a girl that he had a crush on that laughed in his face when he asked her out.

  • ||

    If one:

    > drives erratically
    > collides with another vehicle
    > flees the scene of accident
    > disobeys police orders
    > keeps moving toward cop after he pushes them away

    ... why yes, I think it's reasonable for a cop to employ his taser "immediately" following this set of circumstances.

    "Diabetic shock"? How was he to know this?

    If this case suggests anything, it's that diabetics should possibly be required to attach magnetic signs to their cars which read "DIABETIC BEHIND WHEEL". If we're to accept that diabetics aren't responsible for their behavior, shouldn't police be clued to the fact that they're dealing with diabetics?

    As for her weight (90 lbs! 90 lbs! 90 lbs!), I fail to see why police should calibrate their response to weight, height, or gender.

  • ||

    But the cops are the ones that always crow about "totality of circumstances," so her gender, height and weight should matter. And an unarmed, staggering and disoriented woman who weighs a third what the officer, who is both pointing a gun at her (according to him, he had his weapon drawn when she exited the car) and is wearing a bullet-proof vest, is part of that totality.

    Not to mention she is not going at him, but rather she is stumbling around in a daze. He could have just let her fall on her own and then put her in the cruiser. But no! It's all about cuffing someone and straddling them nowadays. Make sure they submit and know they are your prisoner.

    Now I'm not sure if this cop is your brother, your husband or your friend, Lisa. But your defense of him is pretty weak.

  • ||

    For the record, I'm neither related-to nor friends-with any cops. Now or ever.

    And, I think my defense is strong, or I wouldn't be making it.

    It'll be interesting to see how her lawsuit turns out.

  • An unnamed source||

    Who is a cop to give me orders if I am not directly attacking him? Fuck his orders. If he can walk up to my car, I can walk up to his.

  • ||

    heh

  • ||

    Heh.

    Oh, wait, you're serious?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • ||

    Just like Stowbillie cops to claim fear of a 90 lb. diabetic with low blood sugar.

    I guess she can count herself lucky this didn't happen down the road in Tallmadge or especially Canton.

  • Garrett's Lawyer||

    "unresponsive to police commands"

    She was not unresponsive.

  • ||

    This is like the worst chat room ever.

    Nothing else happened.

  • Amakudari||

    "Yeah, someone that size is not so much really that I think that she is a huge threat, but I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me," said Reedy.

    File this one under "cops are pussies."

    Bonus video, since there isn't enough mention of dogs here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....w#t=05m00s

  • Hadouken||

  • Amakudari||

    At first glance this seems like a complete and total abuse of force.

    But I need dunphy to get in here and educate me on the use of force continuum. Thus far I know that dog is "shoot to kill," but I'm eager to learn.

  • ||

    fortunately, uses of force aren't based on amakudari's "first glance seems" principle.

    personally, as i have said several times, i think the criteria for using tasers has been FAR too loose, they have been used FAR too often, etc.

    mcpherson (a 9th circuit case) where an officer's qualified immunity was vitiated AND his use of the taser found to be objectively unreasonable HAS made the situation better , although ohio is not IN the 9th circuit

    again, despite my position being constantly misstated, i am the first to say tasers have been OVERUSED substantially - for a # of reasons 1) the legal guidelines allow(ed) it 2) new toy syndrome 3) lack of case law etc.

  • ||

    Luck nothing. Obamacare's mandatory abortions don't kick for another two years.

  • PantsFan||

    stuck home on Friday
    winter fades while crazy reigns
    best line wins no prize

  • 2hop||

    moves like jagger
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  • 2hop||

    furious hands type
    words from keys made in China
    feel no guilt or shame

  • hmm||

    The reality is the cop tazed her for crimes against fashion.

  • 2hop||

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    agriculture sings its song
    can we still gambol?

  • 2hop||

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    more than seasons are changing

  • from Jose Canseco||

    "I might be the guy you want to hate bit (sic) I am also the guy you want to be I complete you"

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    Blah blah blah blah blah
    Then something something something
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  • Queen Rectal||

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  • Ted S.||

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  • Joe M||

    "Yeah, someone that size is not so much really that I think that she is a huge threat, but I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me," said Reedy...

    Wow. Just, wow. You're a fucking cop. If fear of getting scratched is enough to make you deploy the Taser, you're in the wrong damn line of business.

    What's the next justification? The Female Gaze?

  • Wow||

    Just, wow.

  • ||

    What's the next justification? The Female Gaze?

    Not the female gaze, per se, but a routine cop excuse for deploying their arsenal is "they took an aggressive stance." So, you're not that far from reality.

  • anarch||

    stops not here nor there,
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  • rather||

    (Hat tip to commenter rather)

    Lucy, the men pay off their hat tip with sex; can I take you shopping instead?

  • Queen Rectal||

    We demand more.

  • BakedPenguin||

    small girl on the ground
    brutal cop standing over her
    not news anymore

  • BakedPenguin||

    Crap - "brutal cop stands over her"

  • Joe M||

    Another SWAT raid:
    dog, homeowner, cop, all dead.
    Nothing else happened.

  • rather||

    "she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me"

    Maybe the cop thought she was a puddy tat :-(

  • Queen Rectal||

    You can't get rid of me, you can't ignore me

    I'm everywhere.

  • Queen Rectal||

    thread's closing down.
    Better drink my own piss.

  • ||

    It seems to me that a cop who can't handle a 90-pound woman without resorting to an electrocution torture device is too much of a pussy to be trusted with a badge and a gun.

    -jcr

  • hurts donut||

    This 100* this.

  • Queen Rectal||

    I post the links people read.

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • VPOTUS||

    John Adams · Thomas Jefferson · Aaron Burr · George Clinton · Elbridge Gerry · Daniel D. Tompkins · John C. Calhoun · Martin Van Buren · Richard Mentor Johnson · John Tyler · George M. Dallas · Millard Fillmore · William R. King · John C. Breckinridge · Hannibal Hamlin · Andrew Johnson · Schuyler Colfax · Henry Wilson · William A. Wheeler · Chester A. Arthur · Thomas A. Hendricks · Levi P. Morton · Adlai Stevenson I · Garret Hobart · Theodore Roosevelt · Charles W. Fairbanks · James S. Sherman · Thomas R. Marshall · Calvin Coolidge · Charles G. Dawes · Charles Curtis · John Nance Garner · Henry A. Wallace · Harry S. Truman · Alben W. Barkley · Richard Nixon · Lyndon B. Johnson · Hubert Humphrey · Spiro Agnew · Gerald Ford · Nelson Rockefeller · Walter Mondale · George H. W. Bush · Dan Quayle · Al Gore · Dick Cheney · Joe Biden

  • Barfman||

    *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf*
    *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf*
    *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf* *barf*

  • Ice Nine||

    I never knew that tasers would stop zombies.

  • ||

    mcpherson is a good case. an officers qualified immunity was taken away based on a tasing, and the rules (for the 9th) significantly reigned in.

    i'm not sure i agree with the vitiation of the QI in that case, but i DEFINITELY agree that criteria for use of tasers needs to be made more strict, and hopefully mcpherson will become the law of the land federally NATIONWIDE and the case law will be fleshed out further

    for example, ex-post mcpherson i don't know if (for example) tasing an assault IV suspect as they run away would be justified. i think it PROBABLY would, but frankly not sure. that kind of thing wasn't addressed even in dicta.

    regardless, tasers have been grossly overused, as i have said consistently and repeatedly.
    (continued)

  • ||

    i haven't fired mine , i have used it a few times to gaincompliance without firing it, which is one of the strongest benefits of the taser. people that WOULD fight, often won't if given a 'comply or be tased" order.

    i remember one tasing where one of my partners tased an elderly guy after he tried to kick him
    justified? yes. wimpy? yes

    ime, and imo the stats support , cops use less force than they are authorized to frequently and just because a taser is technically justified, doesn't mean you have to tase

    the problem is that taser use is preferred in many circs, because if the officers starts doing the wristy-twisty thing and somebody gets hurt (heck, one guy and gal on my squad were both out over 6 months and needed surgery for rotator cuff injuries after such incidents) when a taser would have been justified, the officer is going to be under more scrutiny than if he had tased

  • Barfman||

    *BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF*

  • ||

    smooches!

  • ||

    Thanks for all the anecdotal evidence again, dunphy. It's useless when stacked up against study after study that says tazers kill and are overused, but thanks anyway.

  • Nipplemancer||

    you weren't there man, you didn't have 90 lbs. of whirling dervish coming at you with razor-sharp talons and the possibility of her being a WuShoo Master (a job I once had when I was dating Morgan Fairchild, so I know how hard those fuckers are to take down). She's lucky she didn't get shot.

  • Whahappan?||

    I think I may see the problem you and many of the commenters have with each other. You conflate "legal", "justified"(again, in a "legal" sense) "within the guidelines" "according to policy", etc. with "moral", "just", etc. I don't have any easy, definitive answers for all these issues, however, I'm fairly certain legislators and judges are among the worst guides to morality and justice. Sad but true.

    I sympathize with your dilemma, as a police officer trying to do his best in an imperfect system, however I think you give WAY too much credit to your fellow officers and the higher ups who craft policy. I think many of them, and the rot gets worse the higher up you go, are evil fucks who seek out law enforcement, politics and the law in order to wield power over their fellow man in order to do him harm. And I'm not being melodramatic here, that's really the impression I get.

  • anarch||

    and yet another
    isolated incident
    kicks us in the nuts

  • ||

    if THIS is a kick in the nuts, your nuts are hypersensitive.

    you got a reckless, hit and run driver almost runs a cop off the road, fails to comply with orders upon finally stopping, isn't even initially tased and then she is tased and of course the video cuts in and out so we can't even see it in sequence

  • anarch||

    Good morning, dunphy.

    In a previous thread, I posed a question to you that must have posted after you had left the screen, so here it is again:

    What say you to this?

  • ||

    holy #$(#$.

    this judge is a bad-ass. sounds like he very well may have saved the deputy's life.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/l.....01633.html

    i know one judge who will probably never have to worry about the cop union vote ever again!!!

  • ||

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/j.....labor-dept

    Special Ed Schultz gets a six figure salary to shill for unions. This is amazing but not surprising.

  • rather||

    Will The ‘Just Say No Crowd’, Say Yes To LSD, And No To Alcoholism?

  • Xenocles||

    ""Yeah, someone that size is not so much really that I think that she is a huge threat, but I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me,""

    So can my cats. I guess I need three tasers.

  • Almanian||

    27 - nine lives and all...

  • Xenocles||

    Well, just two now. Turns out one has cancer.

  • ||

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012.....ate-group/

    PJ media starts women's hate group watch list. Amanda Marcotte and Feministing among initial members.

  • F Hart||

    I guess she refused to give the cop a blowjob.

  • ||

    +100

  • Spartacus||

    "Yeah, someone that size is not so much really that I think that she is a huge threat, but I realize that she can still hurt me, she can bite me, she can scratch me," said Reedy during an interview with the Use of Force Committee. "She knew what I was saying and she just didn't care ... she didn't want to listen to it."

    This sounds like me interacting with the kitties. I guess I've been doing it wrong all along, and I should have been tasng them instead of just accepting the occasional bite or scratch as something only a real pussy would be afraid of.

  • Spartacus||

    Damn, Xenocles beat me to it. I really should read the comments before posting, but these long threads set off my TL/DR alert.

  • ||

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....dignation/

    Gawker is angry they can't see some comedian no one has ever heard of. He called Sarah Palin a cunt. He is a genius!!

  • Nipplemancer||

    If only he called her a slut the gawkertards would be calling for his head.. oh wait.. nevermind.

  • ||

    That quote is pathetic. He is a comic genius and we have been deprived of him. WAAAAA

  • Nipplemancer||

    I still don't see how GVS's blog post = Louis CK being censored. He pulled out voluntarily. No one asked him and he never said it was because of the hagfish's comments.

  • ||

    Gawker not getting their pony is censorship. A mob disrupting a professor's class is political speech.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/campus.....epage=true

  • ||

    I think everyone in that story did the right thing, including campus police. Remember, the professor kept lecturing, so the mob of idiots wasn't stifling his speech. If he had said, "I cannot lecture with this mob between me and my students," then I would have seen a reason for the cops to remove the protesters.

    Nope, the professor, the dean and the cops did well in this whole episode.

  • Ice Nine||

    Gawker is angry they can't see some comedian no one has ever heard of. He called Sarah Palin a cunt. He is a genius!!

    His comments were of course jerky but, the political stuff aside, Louis CK is one of the funniest stand up comedians on the circuit. If you want to laugh your guts out don't pass up a chance to see him perform. And, he is hardly unheard of given that he has a TV show. Just FYI.

  • ||

    What is his show? I have never heard of him.

  • ||

    And let's all boycott Eddie Murphy movies because he made fun of faggots on stage.

  • ||

    That is different sloopy. And yeah. Raw is as about as misogynistic as it gets.

  • ||

    That is different sloopy. And yeah. Raw is as about as misogynistic fucking hilarious as it gets.

    FIFY!

  • ||

    I didn't say it wasn't funny, although delirious is better

  • MNG||

    I think the amazing thing about Eddie Murphy is that his career survived that whole "I was just giving the transvestite hooker a ride" thing, and that he did so by heavily getting into childrens shows. It was like Pee Wee Herman in reverse...

  • ||

    Pretty sure Bill Simmons had a pretty interesting story on Grantland (ESPN's retarded cousin) about just that.

    And I still love the fact that Pee Wee Herman was the waiter in The Blues Brothers. I don't know why, but it makes me laugh every time.

  • ||

    And Snooki has her own show. Having a show in the age of 200 channels does not necessarily make you famous.

  • Ice Nine||

    For better or for worse - no, just for worse - Snooki is fairly famous.

  • MNG||

    Louis CK can be one funny mofo live. Don't care much for his FX show though.

  • Ice Nine||

    Agree; it falls pretty flat. It rarely translates. I'm probably forgetting some but I can't think of any stand up guy whose TV show was as funny as his stage stuff. Tim Allen, probably but otherwise...

  • ||

    Bob Saget?

  • MNG||

    Thank God for federal judicial and congressional oversight of the states, right?

  • ||

    Yeah. It is called the 14th Amendment. Stop it with the sophistry. Just because the people here think that federal power is limited in some ways, doesn't mean they think it should be limited all ways.

    You make the same annoying and tiresome point. It doesn't get any better with age. Federal power under say the commerce clause has nothing to do with the Court's authority to enforce the 14th Amendment on the states. They are two separate issues.

    So you really have no point here.

  • MNG||

    States rights, great except when it isn't!

    It's hilarious to see people cling to states rights and then all the time applaud instances where the feds intrude on the states. Why don't you just junk all the states rights rhetoric?

  • MNG||

    The 14th Amendment, and the accompanying Section 1983 suits and such that soon followed it, were some of the biggest expansions of federal power over the states in our nation's history.

    I can see someone saying that was all good, what I can't see is how someone can say "that's all good" and "state's rights rule" in the same sentence...

  • ||

    Yes. And most of us are OK with it, when we are talking about upholding the rights of individuals as opposed to limiting them.

  • MNG||

    Like I said, if someone said "I like federal power over the states when it improves liberty and state power being reserved to the states when it also does so" then I think cool, you are consistent in that you want liberty promoted, that's your principle.

    It's people that say they like states rights as a general philosophy but every other day celebrate some instance of federal intrusion over what were traditionally state areas that deserve some ribbing.

  • ||

    Of course, and I totally agree. They're no different that the people who want government services cut, but not the ones they use. Or, you know, baby boomers.

  • MNG||

    "the Use of Force committee"

    My God this might be the most terrifingly wonderful government euphemism for a committee ever.

  • ||

    Especially when it consists solely of department insiders in a department that can't be very large (38 officers according to their website).

    It's a fucking joke, and the unions fight outside reviews every time someone brings them up. Of course, when they are reviewed, it almost always results in a bad finding. Most recent examples are Seattle, East Haven and Maricopa County. I haven't seen the DoJ release a study that said a department was doing a great job of upholding civil rights. If one exists, perhaps Fearless Fosdick can give a link to it.

  • MNG||

    Oh come on sloopy, this ain't all unions. Pols, especially conservative ones, love cops. They would never require anything real overseeing them, like solid civilian review boards.

  • ||

    It's usually the liberals (but not politicians) that call for the civilian review boards, not the conservatives. In that regard, you are 100% correct. But it's almost never, ever pols of either party that want them. That endorsement from the FOP or PBA is more valuable than calling for transparency in our police departments.

  • MNG||

    "But it's almost never, ever pols of either party that want them."

    True dat!

  • ||

    If an officer perceives a threat through the totality of circumstances

    Isn't the argument here whether a reasonable person would have perceived her as a threat requiring any use of force at all?

    Because I'm just not seeing it, especially if you are a tooled-up, body-armored, highly-trained quasi-paramilitary, cop.

    Let's say I see her pulled over and stop to help, and witness exactly what the cop witnessed. Would I be justified in using any force, at all, in the absence of, oh, I dunno, any kind of weapon whatsoever? Any kind of threatening language or action? Fuck no. If I tackled her or punched her or otherwise nonlethally incapacitated her, I'd be doing time.

  • ||

    And, no, I don't think a defense consisting of "Well, she could have scratched me, or even bitten me" is going to get me off.

  • ||

    I note that the review board also said she should have been tasered because she approached the cop.

    But there was that guy who was shot because he walked away from the cop.

    I guess the only safe course is, whenever you see a cop, to kneel on the ground, eyes downcast? Or perhaps a full kowtow?

  • rather||

    'Planet of the Apes' rules of conduct

  • ||

    I was cuffed, thrown up against a wall and tossed around a little by 3 cops when I was hypoglycemic and accidentally got on the wrong Metro-North train, unable to explain all of this to the ticket taker without sounding belligerent. They had the cops waiting for me at the next station. I told them I needed a soda and I'd be fine (obviously not in as organized a fashion as I've just done) and they decided to just keep me cuffed and go through my pockets and shit instead. Finally I was able to get them to call my wife, who explained the situation that I had already explained. And even though I was totally fine once I'd had a Pepsi they refused to release me and forced me to check into the ER and stay there until my wife took most of the day off work in NYC to come get me in Westchester. I thought that was a pretty unaccomodating experience, but I suppose at least I didn't get tasered.

  • ||

    It's got to be tough being a cop. Especially when you're treated so much more harshly in the eyes of the court. Except, of course, when you're allowed to resign in return for assault charges being dropped.

    Nosiree, there's no such thing as a double-standard and prosecutors are notorious for going after cops every chance they get.

    Right, dunphy? Right?

  • ||

    FTA: Jones had been previously suspended five times. In 2010, he was suspended for 240 hours - a six-week period. Suspension records don't indicate why he was punished. During two suspensions, Jones was ordered to undergo some type of counseling, records show.

    PubSec unions are a blight on America and will continue to lead us into the abyss by creating separate classes of people: the inner party and the proles.

  • ||

  • ||

    "The videotaping alone had nothing to do with her arrest. It was her repeated refusal to cooperate and comply with their orders,"

    Yeah, their order to stop videotaping.

  • ||

    lol, in come the bottom feeding, bllod sucking attorneys, there is a gravy train to baord lol

    www.Got-Privacy.tk

  • jt||

    "Except there's clearly something wrong with Garrett. She doesn't look falling-down inebriated, but she definitely looks hesitant and confused in the dashcam footage"

    you're arguing the ability of a woman to act disoriented or trying to test our ability to judge whether a woman is in the act or not in every instance? i can tell you now that i will probably fail, guessing right less than 50% of the time, which is why i will rarely (never, if said without consider of political correctness) give the benefit of the doubt.

  • ||

    if a cop tells you to behave you better behave. Just because she was a woman doesn't give her any privileges. what amazes me is how she was affected by a taser, and how this man was http://bitly.com/HCvuVl . maybe because he weighed more? it's just weird how it doesn't do anything to some people.

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