Some Views on SOPA & PIPA

Today marks a series of online protests against the Stop Online Privacy Act (SOPA) and Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA), which are House and Senate versions of bills designed to halt copyright infringement on the Internet.

Whether you agree with Salon's Glenn Greenwald that this legislation poses "the greatest dangers to Internet freedom of any bill[s] in the last decade," you should agree that SOPA and PIPA are very big deals with the ability to radically alter a vast realm of freedom that we've come to take for granted. As Greenwald summarizes the problems with the bills:

These bills...vest the power in large corporations and the government to seize and shutdown websites with little or no due process in the name of stopping piracy.

God, we've been here before, haven't we? Back in the 1980s, with Jack Valenti leading the charge against VCRs (the equivalent of the Boston Strangler to the movie biz, claimed the head of the Motion Picture Association of America!), then the Clinton administration's various futzing with the Internet (all for good reasons, to keep the kids from seeing the nudity and excretory functions on the Interwebs) and the whole Napster business! And more recent yapping about "Net Neutrality" and the FCC taking a "light touch" approach to on-ramps to the Information Superhighway. Is it too late to copyright the phrase "the more things change..."? Those goddamn Chinese have probably already printed up t-shirts of it!

Greenwald's piece today at Salon does a great job of fingering former Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Ct.) as a motive force in the pushing of this legislation. As the door slammed shut on his over-long Senate career, Dodd pledged that he would never become a lobbyist in his retirement, a gesture that ranks up there with his attempt to get Ted Kennedy to pimp Carrie Fisher for him. As Greenwald shows, Dodd started lobbying even harder for SOPA than for Princess Leia, all at the behest of a movie industry that has been on the wrong side of just about every major leap forward in technological empowerment of the little people:

In his SOPA advocacy, Dodd has resorted to holding up Chinese censorship as the desired model, mouthing the slogans of despots, and even outright lying. Like virtually all extremist, oppressive bills backed by large industry, SOPA and PIPA have full bipartisan support; among its co-sponsors are Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy and GOP Rep. Lamar Smith, with many Senators fromboth parties in support and Harry Reid pushing it forward (to its credit, the White House expressed opposition to several of the worst provisions, though has not yet issued a veto threat).

Read Greenwald's whole piece here. Hat tip: Alan Vanneman!

For a longer explanation of the stupidity embedded in SOPA/PIPPA, read this by Reason's Peter Suderman. The legislation has "evolved" since then (i.e. gotten slightly less rotten) but is still no good.

While I hope that SOPA and PIPA (or whatever godforsaken acronym comes out of a conference bill) doesn't become law, I must say that it's heartening to see the left and the right pull together against such a threat. Few issues unite folks such as Salon's Greenwald and RedState's Erick Erickson, who writes:

Both pieces of legislation are overly broad and give too much power to the Attorney General to shut down websites that may be innocent of piracy, but are accused of being engaged in online piracy.

Both pieces of legislation are written by old men who need young staffers just to tweet and run their Facebook accounts. The sponsors probably have no idea how far reaching and damaging their legislation is....

Good friends of RedState like Marsha Blackburn in the House with SOPA and Marco Rubio in the Senate with PROTECT IP are on the wrong side of this issue. I personally, as much as I like them and so many of the other Republican sponsors, will make stopping both pieces of legislation a hill to die on and work to defeat them at their next election if this legislation passes.

Whole piece here (emphasis in original). RedState, in solidarity with a number of other sites including Wikipedia and Reddit, has gone dark today in protest.

Hat tip to RedState piece: Amanda Carpenter.

A few years back (in late 2008), Reason hosted a conference in Hollywood. One of the panels talked about freedom of expression and included an early internet entrepreneur destroyed by the record labels, a lawyer for the porn industry, and a historian of the '60s counterculture (yes, I know, it sounds like a Reason version of a joke about a priest, a rabbi, and an atheist entering a juice bar...). Take a look, as the conversation ranges into many issues still at play. Alas.

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  • Chris Dodd||

    However, Ted and I did.

  • Tony||

    .....does a great job of fingering former Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Ct.)

    I've always hoped to be a mere knuckle away from real political power!

  • ||

    Tony

    Hey fuckwad, STFU.

  • Live Free or Diet||

    Government likes to fix what ain't broke. That way they can claim they saw it first. Never mind they're the ones who broke it.

  • killazontherun||

    How is Congress suppose to lose the ineffectiveness wrap if they can't pass landmark legislation that terrorizes the masses?

  •  ||

    That is so profound.

  • Tim||

    Our government is being run like an Italian cruise liner...

  • Ice Nine||

    Were that the skipper would leave the sinking ship!

  • Tim||

    Everybody go back to your cabins, the tilting deck and water are the result of a minor electrical problem.

  • Barack Obama||

    I inherited this sinking ship from the last administration.

  • Barry||

    Well its still sinking..but damn I look good in mom jeans!

  • Mensan||

    Running the bilge pumps in reverse isn't exactly helping the situation.

  • *||

  • ||

    O, if only we could be run that bravely and competently!

  • Thom||

    Even the ones that don't run aground...nothing really lives up to expectations and everything has to be done in five languages.

  • SIV||

    RedState, in solidarity with a number of other sites including Wikipedia and Reddit, has gone dark today in protest

    Erick ought to do this every day.

  • CE||

    I've been personally blacking out RedState ever since their founder decided in 2007 that posts in favor of one of the top four Republican contenders weren't welcome.

    Apparently that candidates' differences with RedState orthodoxy on foreign policy were to be shunned, while other candidates' differences on abortion, illegal immigration, and health care were to be overlooked.

    I never missed it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    While I hope that SOPA and PIPA (or whatever godforsaken acronym comes out of a conference bill)...

    SOFIACOPPOLA

  • ||

    Or SOPACABANA.

  • ||

    SOPACABRA.

  • ||

    Don't know how good everyone's Spanish is, but "sopa is Spanish for "soup." So SOPADEPOLLOCONFIDEOS (Sopa de Pollo con Fideos is chicken noodle soup) is an option.

  • Kromulent Kristen||

    NOSOPA4U!

  • ||

    Dey tuk ur akronymz!

  • ||

    Yes, I have to assume that this SOPA bill somehow advances the advent of the North American Union and furthers the machinations of the Pentavirate.

  • Loki||

    Especially the machinations of that bastard Colonel Sanders.

    With his wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face...

  • Abdul||

    SOAPPIPPA

  • Moogle||

    SOPAOPERA?

    Has the fat lady sung yet?

  • ||

    SOPADOPA

  • ||

    TAPTHATASSONPIPPA

  • Moogle||

    (rearranges letters)

    I AM VOLDEMORT

  • Bee Tagger||

    Riding on the coattails of its parents.

  • sarcasmic||

    SOPAPILLA?

  • Ice Nine||

    +1

  • ||

    mmmmm!!!

    sopapilla

  • Butts Wagner||

    SOPEKING

  • ||

    SOFAKINGWETODDED

  • Priestess||

    CHUPACABRA

  • ||

    Federal Uniform Privacy Act

  • Cliché Bandit||

    Hey, Pipa is HOT! And she is the sister in law of some rich UK tax parasite.

  • ||

    Copyright protection is already too strong. We need to ratchet it down a bit from 11, not find a way to increase it to 13.

  • Or||

    Copyright 2012, Reason Magazine

  • ||

    If people are allowed to post the lyrics to Britney Spears songs the terrorists win.

  • ||

    whoa, hold up

    her songs have lyrics?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Yes. Spoken backwards, the lyrics to any given Britney Spears song summons a demon of the Goetia.

    True story.

  • Loki||

    Yes, but that requires watching her videos with the sound on, which is not recommended for anyone.

  • FIFY||

    Yes, but that requires watching her videos with the sound on, which is not recommended for anyone.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    As the door slammed shut on his over-long Senate career, Dodd pledged that he would never become a lobbyist in his retirement...

    Of course, he never retired. He just changed offices.

  • Discount Double Choke||

    I've heard rumors that Chris Dodd likes to kill livestock and have sex with the dead bodies while they are still warm. Has anyone else heard something similar?

  • sarcasmic||

    Don't confuse Dodd with White Indian.

  • SOPA||

    That's funny!
    Will you be here all day?

  • ||

    Do you mean, like, Chris Dodd is s sheep fucker?

  • PIPA||

    Hilarious!

  • killazontherun||

    No need to make up stuff about Dodd when Pulitzer Prize winning journalist like the late, great Michael Kelly chronicle his tag team rape misadventures with his pal Ted. He is horrible as is without embellishments.

  • Lint||

    [i]Greenwald's piece today at Salon does a great job of fingering former Sen. Chris Dodd[/i]

    I stopped reading right here. (Sorry if the italics aren't right)

  • Lint||

    Of course I can't figure out italics.

  • sarcasmic||

  • ||

    You're almost there. Use the pointy brackets: < > instead of the square ones.

  • Please tell congress ||

    that you oppose this legislation:

    https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

  • Geoff Nathan||

    I actually did this--wrote to all three congresscritters. And posted a bunch of stuff on FB. Grrrrr

  • ||

    My congressman:

    http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/Q000024

    Sometimes there are no words...

  • MarylandMike||

    Never thought I'd ever be saying this but, "Way to go RedState!"

  • ||

    I never thought about it like that before. Wow.

    www.Total-Security.tk

  • Ice Nine||

    Actually, you never thought.

  • ||

    Je pense donc je suis, mon ami.

  • ||

    Mon Dieu!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Skynet's French? Sweet. The battle for humanity shouldn't take long at all.

  • anon||

    Damnit, there go my dreams of a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Fucking hell.

  • killazontherun||

    Nothing will change except your drawing rooms will seem more dusky and set with a peculiar mood of ennuie.

  • ||

    It never occurred to me before that we could win the war against emergent AI. Great news, everyone!

  • sarcasmic||

    Remember when the French made it to the World Cup a few years ago?

    They almost had an opportunity to invent a word for "victory"!

  • Mensan||

    "Skynet's French?"

    Il n'est francais. C'est Quebecois.

  • ||

    Anonbot acquiring other languages means the singularity is inching ever closer.

  • ||

    Cordon Bleu!

  • ||

    Latrine!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    This is not Mel Torme!

  • ||

    Die Sauerkraut ist in mein Lederhosen.<?I>

  • ||

    Oops.

  • ||

    Kraut bastard. How many Holocaust deniers have you aided and abetted THIS week?

  • ||

    liederhosen?

  • fish||

    Merde?

  • ||

    ON-KOO LAY-VOO, SHALOT!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    If they find out you've seen this blog, your life will be worth less than a truckload of dead rats in a tampon factory.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    It's time to bring out the Leroy Niemann paintings.

  • ||

    But he was one of the lucky ones. He managed to escape in a balloon during the Jimmy Carter presidency.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Klaus is a moron who knows only what he reads in the New York Post.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    wow Res, I don't know that many people whole could actully pick out a word which the French are truely ashamed...awesome. (thought I was the only one. And, last time i said that to a friend in line while in Paris I stunned at the response.)

  • Kromulent Kristen||

    Hobobber is the only one with a brain.

  • ||

    Both pieces of legislation are written by old men who need young staffers just to tweet and run their Facebook accounts. The sponsors probably have no idea how far reaching and damaging their legislation is....

    Well said. This is a good example of one of the reasons why the activities of Congress should be restricted to the powers granted to it in Article 1 Section 8. There's no possible way that such a small group of people could be experts on everything, even if they weren't politicians (who aren't expert at anything except theft).

  • Moogle||

    Be nice if the young staffers spoke up, but I've met those people while working on a campaign years ago. Mother of God, the word "sycophant" does not even begin to scratch the surface. Every time one of them was around, I had to stop myself from reaching for the nearest can of bug spray, or looking for their off button.

  • Joe M||

    Dude, the average congressperson is so far out of touch with modern technology, it's shameful. And they let these media company lobbyists tell them what to do, because they neither understand nor care about the repercussions.

  • Valerie Jarrett||

    There's no possible way that such a small group of people could be experts on everything...

    My man...err..... I mean the president is!

  • anon||

    Remarkably similar to the late Kim Jong Il

  • Valerie Jarrett||

    Kim Jong Il worked so tirelessly for the betterment of his people it literally killed him, and President Obama is so much like the Dearly Departed Leader I often worry for his health.

  • Valerie Jarrett||

    ...and shot 5 holes in one yesterday while golfing! It really is his only relaxation.

  • ||

    Apparently the DNS provision has now been removed but the idea was to block any website in the world using ICANN.

    This made the head Dick of Twitters twit: "Closing a global business in reaction to single-issue national politics is foolish." foolish or willfully deceptive.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Closing a global business in reaction to single-issue national politics is foolish.

    The above sentence makes Baby Jesus want to puke.

  • Tim||

    A federally regulated internet is an internet that makes campaign donations to federal officers.

  • ||

    Those goddamn Chinese

    goddamn Chinese, Nick? Really? Those yellow heathens don't believe in God.

    Oh, and RAAAAACIST!!!

  • FIFY||

    Oh, and RLAAAAACIST!!!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Yes, but what does Rainbow Dash have to say concerning IP protection?

  • Joe M||

    Today marks a series of online protests against the Stop Online Privacy Act (SOPA)...

    Oh man, that is GOLD. And no one else has noticed it yet? Awesome.

  • David T||

    yes, 2 friends noticed when i posted this on Facebook!

  • ||

    Are you related to Dagny T?

  • John is an asshole||

    that is all.

  • ||

    I guess Rubio is really stupid or has no interest in a national political career. Backing this is about the most tone deaf thing he could do. Why don't he just go all in and come out in support of Obamacare?

    What a moron. Doesn't he realize that Hollywood does more damage to the political causes he cares about than pretty much anything? No Republican worth his weight in piss should walk across the street to help those fuckers let alone waste political capital backing a horrible bill like this. At this point, I don't see how Rubio is in any way a serious person.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: John,

    I guess Rubio is really stupid or has no interest in a national political career.


    I would go with stoopid, because I believe he does have an interest in having a career.

    Backing this is about the most tone deaf thing he could do.


    That and wanting to fast-track the acceptance of Georgia into NATO, advancing the US one step further into glboal war. You can thank the gods and Kentukians for Rand Paul who was there to stop him in the nick of time.

  • ||

    The Georgia thing was first rate stupid. The Russians are paranoid as hell and losing population. The whole goal of their policy is to recapture the Russian populations they lost when the old USSR broke up. By trying to stop them, we just make them more paranoid. And we are not going to war with Russia over Georgia anymore than Russia would go to war with us over Cuba. That is just reality. It sucks but it is true. If the Russians decide to squash Georgia there is nothing we could do about it anymore than they could stop us from squashing Castro. Nothing dumber than making a promise you can't keep or worse still one that doing so will cause a nuclear war.

  • ||

    Marco Rubio has withdrawn his support for the bill!

  • Nephilium||

    John, Rubio reversed his support, and withdrew his co-sponsoring of the bill. So it appears that the blackout is beginning to work.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    I fear that they will drop the issue for now then add it to a defense spending bill quietly later.

  • ||

    Definitely a moron.

  • ||

    Somebody help me out here:

    If I have a blog, and I link to a website that has Bad SOPA Mojo, will this new bill have any consequences for my site? It was my understanding that the old DNS blocking language would have shut down my site, but that has been taken out.

  • ||

    It's my understanding that no one knows because the language is still quite broad. But I'm far from savvy on this.

  • ||

    So it boils down to "trust us"?

  • ||

    Give us the right to assassinate US citizens and we promise not to abuse it. With sugar on top.

  • ||

    I hope Lindsey Graham and his cohort eat shit and die in a coal fire

  • You||

    are an asshole, John. See above.

  • T||

    WTF does Vanneman have on the Reason staff? Pictures involving a goat? Living relatives in a dungeon? What?

  • ||

    I think it's only Gillespie who has a thing for Vanman. He's a flawed hero.

  • Solanum||

    Yeah, it's only Nick who seems to like the tit. Welch and some of the other staff have bitch-slapped Vanneman in the comments before.

  • Link||

    SOPA - bad. Sopapilla - good.

  • Csonka||

  • ||

    Doesn't the congressmen who introduced SOPA violate what the law would be on his own website?

    http://lamarsmith.house.gov/Mu.....XY8gcRTKv8

    Its a link from his web site to his youtube account with a video he doesn't own!

  • Nephilium||

    Actually, Lamar Smith is a copyright infringer.

  • Loki||

    I doubt if he actually has anything to do with his own youtube account. He probably doesn't even know he has one.

  • Surly Chef||

    Even better.

  • ||

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/.....or-defeat/

    Congressional supporters of SOPA and PIPA -- fuck their shit up TODAY!

  • Bee Tagger||

    RedState commenters wishing Ron Paul supported the bill so they could target him during reelection, devolves into general thankfulness that he's retiring:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/.....ent-161779

  • ||

    http://www.businessinsider.com.....ine-2012-1

    Obama is going to kill Keystone. I guess he is going to fuck the unions and middle income workers for the help of the rich white greens.

  • ||

    I hope there comes a day in a possible Paul presidency when he rounds up all the usurpers and petty tyrants and sends them to Guantanamo. Obama can be their bitch in the general population.

  • ||

    What a piece of shit. Lets totally fuck the Canadians, our longest and closest ally and biggest trading partner. And as a bonus give places like Saudi Arabia and Iran more leverage in the international oil market.

    This really is the worst decision any President has ever made. It is like he actually wants to destroy the country.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Looks like he's just pushing it to after the election. Typical spineless politician.

  • ||

    Permits delayed are permits denied, Scruffy.

    The real question is whether the Canadians are going to wait around for another year, or whether they are just going to build a pipeline to their Pacific Coast so they can sell it to the Asians.

    Probably the smart long-term play, anyway.

  • ||

    Isn't it because only rednecks drink Keystone?

  • Mo||

    Keystone XL is an eminent domain nightmare. As of 17 October 2011, TransCanada had "34 eminent domain actions against landowners in Texas" and "22 in South Dakota."

  • ||

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/.....the-right/

    This is why Marco Rubio is a Hero on the Right

    This morning I noted that we should primary Senators and Representatives on the left and right who refuse to back away from SOPA and Protect IP.

    Included in the list, unfortunately, was Senator Marco Rubio. I would hate, hate, haaattttteeeee to primary such a great guy. We spent a lot of time, energy, effort, and money getting him elected. But SOPA/Protect IP is that bad.

    Now, I’ve made clear that we wouldn’t do this unless the left was on board too and I’ve only really heard crickets from them. But it was a threat so many of us felt needed to be made to emphasize just how bad this legislation is.

    Today, about 40 minutes ago, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida showed again why he is a real leader and listener within the conservative movement. He is dropping his co-sponsorship of Protect IP.

    I hope other Republicans in the Senate follow his leadership on this issue. and please call Senator Rubio’s office and thank him for his leadership. His number is (202) 224-3041. We often fight. We should also often say thanks.

    -------

    Nice

  • ||

    They will do the right thing when properly threatened.

  • ||

    Nothing against Alan Vanneman, but how can you need to be tipped to a Glenn Greenwald column? That's like giving someone a hat tip for directing you to french fries. You ought to know about them already.

  • ||

    It is those pictures he has of the jacket with a goat. It is the only plausible explanation for the love that guy gets.

  • Paul||

    Vanneman uses proper grammar, so he has an 'in' with Cavanaugh.

  • Paul||

    Vanneman uses proper grammar, so he has an 'in' with Cavanaugh.

  • cynical||

    Because libertarians would rather be kicked in the nuts than look at Salon? Greenwald's columns aren't as bad, but why risk the pain?

  • JT||

    excretory functions on the Interweb?

    What does this refer to? Enlighten me.

  • JT||

    oh wait...

  • hazeeran||

    For what it's worth I, for the first time, called my Rep's office. He hasn't made up his mind.

  • CE||

    The Wall Street Journal took a different tack, coming out strongly for SOPA and private property protections:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....TopStories

  • ||

    It's behind a paywall, could you copy and paste it here?

  • celtigirl||

    Go to Google Canada edition and type in the name of the article plus Wall Street Journal and you'll get the full article.

  • cynical||

    I see what you did there.

  • Spoonman.||

    My new rep (the oddly named Chaka Fattah, D-PA) is against it, and he voted against NDAA as well. Guess he's a "good" Democrat.

  • Politician||

    it is appalling that there should exist an area of life where we public servants fail to weild any significant power to either tax, regulate, or punish people who run afoul of our major campaign contributors. God knows what rampant chaos and anarchy would ensue without a properly-staffed Department of Internet Affairs. Who would protect the consumers? Who would protect the children? Who would ensure that Donkey Porn meets all the required standards, that practitioners are licensed/certified and have received their required annual antibiotic shots?

    Do you not see?....That which is not regulated is The Enemy!

  • Joe Zilch||

    Why is nobody really talking about the copyright issue in regards to SOPA/PIPA? The MPAA and RIAA trade in things that traditionally wouldn't be covered under system that didn't suffer from regulatory capture.

    I say add an amendment to SOPA/PIPA putting Copyright back at 14 years. I still wouldn't vote for it, but it'd pour a little cold water on the issue.

  • cynical||

    If they keep pushing, we might see pushback. When you act as though you have no regard for the rights of others, don't be surprised when people start to lose their regard for yours.

  • yonemoto||

    I want the copyright industry to keep pulling shit like this to the point where we decide to scrap IP all together.

  • ||

    Amen brother.

  • Paul||

    Dodd pledged that he would never become a lobbyist in his retirement, a gesture that ranks up there with his attempt to get Ted Kennedy to pimp Carrie Fisher for him.

    Link:

    "Suddenly, Senator Kennedy, seated directly across from me, looked at me with his alert, aristocratic eyes and asked me a most surprising question. 'So,' he said, clearly amused, 'do you think you'll be having sex with Chris at the end of your date?' ... To my left, Chris Dodd looked at me with an unusual grin hanging on his very flushed face."

    Her reply: "'Funnily enough, I won't be having sex with Chris tonight,' I said, my face composed and calm. 'No, that probably won't happen.' People blinked. 'Thanks for asking, though.'"

    His retort: "'Would you have sex with Chris in a hot tub?' Senator Kennedy asked me, perhaps as a way to say good night? 'I'm no good in water,' I told him." (A representative for Dodd did not immediately respond to ABCNews.com's request for comment.)

    If Fisher's account is true (and I'm much more likely to believe words out of Princess Leia's mouth, than I am a politician's) then these creeps are creepier than I ever imagined, and I go pretty creepy in my imaginings.

  • ||

    Whatever you think, it's worse.

  • Paul||

    On the creepy scale, I like to quote Han Solo:

    "I can imagine quite a bit"

  • ||

    If you can imagine Kennedy, you've gone where I cannot follow.

  • Paul||

    Like virtually all extremist, oppressive bills backed by large industry, SOPA and PIPA have full bipartisan support; among its co-sponsors are Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy and GOP Rep. Lamar Smith, with many Senators fromboth parties in support and Harry Reid pushing it forward (to its credit, the White House expressed opposition to several of the worst provisions, though has not yet issued a veto threat).

    Because regulating the internet is just too delicious. They should stick to Net Neutrality legislation, IE 'master switch legislation'-- it can be handled by a regulatory agency, so the politicians can keep their hands clean of the deleterious effects-- and it has the support of a large group of useful idiots.

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