Heller Ain't No Bad Place to Be

Second Amendment hero Alan Gura continues the legal fight for gun rights

Last week was the first anniversary of the District of Columbia v. Heller, where the Supreme Court for the first time declared that the Second Amendment indeed protects an individual right to own guns in the home for self-defense. It was a great victory for individual rights, but by no means a final one.

The lawyer who successfully argued that case, Alan Gura, has remained a dedicated opponent of all sorts of gun regulations that still stand post-Heller. Senior Editor Brian Doherty talked to Gura by phone earlier this week about the various legal challenges Gura is fighting against state and local gun laws. (The Second Amendment Foundation is backing all of the challenges where Gura is serving as counsel.)

Reason: One of your post-Heller cases has already been petitioned to the Supreme Court, McDonald v. Chicago. What's that case about, and what's happened with it so far?

Alan Gura: The city of Chicago has a handgun ban identical to the one D.C. had until Heller. Chicago requires registration of all guns and does not register handguns. We were challenging that and other provisions of Chicago law, like requiring re-registration annually. They make guns unregisterable forever if you forget to renew. But the lower courts rejected our case, believing that, or at least asserting that, they were bound by ancient 19th-century precedent that held that the Second Amendment was not directly applied to states.

Now, the 14th Amendment has been interpreted for over a century as meaning that states do have to obey most of those rights [in the Bill of Rights], that they have been incorporated through the 14th. The Supreme Court advised in Heller quite specifically that ancient cases [about the Second Amendment's application to the states] may not have much value now, that they did not contain the sort of analysis required by courts now.

But lower courts [in McDonald] did not engage in any of the required analysis. They just fell back on old law without applying the century of precedent [changing the way the 14th Amendment is now typically interpreted]. The courts cited cases from an era when nothing was incorporated. The cases relied on by lower courts also said that the First Amendment doesn't bind states, that the Fifth Amendment doesn't, that the Fourth Amendment doesn't. That is clearly not the legal environment we have been in for the last 100 years. The lower courts claimed they were being faithful to the Supreme Court; I disagree. I think that is not true. They clearly did not apply and ignored the required incorporation analysis [of the 14th Amendment] in effect for quite some time, and I believe the Supreme Court will reverse.

I feel confident they will take the case, as there is now a circuit split [on the question of Second Amendment incorporation] and it's a very important issue and a very compelling case. When the Supreme Court reconvenes in October they will consider various petitions, including ours, and I expect sometime in early October they will grant certiorari.

Reason: Another of your recent cases, Hanson v. D.C., already succeeded in making D.C. further adjust its gun laws, right?

Gura: That is correct. Even after Heller, Washington D.C.'s city council in their incredible hostility to Second Amendment rights went around looking for things to do to gun owners and found this California regulation that D.C. adopted as its own. It's a list of "approved" weapons, listing all those that are going to be allowed for sale and banning guns that aren't on the list.

Unfortunately for D.C. we have a Second Amendment in our Constitution, and the Supreme Court told us in Heller what the test for inclusion on any "list of approved guns" should be. It's any gun a law-abiding citizen wants that is in common use that they use for law-abiding purposes. Any such gun can't be banned entirely. California's list has arbitrary requirements applied so they lead to absurd results. So when D.C. adopted that list for itself, we filed a lawsuit challenging that as unconstitutional.

Tracey Hanson [one of the original plaintiffs in the Heller case] wanted to register a gun in D.C. and was denied because it was in the wrong color! The same identical gun is on California's list in other colors, but it could not be submitted to the list in a bi-tone version that Tracey had because by the time that color came out California was demanding that guns have certain features that gun didn't have.

Gillian St. Lawrence [another plaintiff on the case, and another original Heller plaintiff] wanted to register a handgun that California had determined was safe and fine for people to use, but the gun manufacturer stopped paying the annual listing fee [that California requires to keep a gun on its list] since the model was discontinued. Now, there's no allegation that there's anything wrong with the gun. It was a purely bureaucratic removal. I don't think that it's appropriate to deny people access to a gun just because the manufacturer hasn't paid a fee.

Paul St. Lawrence, Gillian's husband, tried to register the same kind of handgun at issue in the Heller case. This handgun being somewhat old, not manufactured anymore, so no one pays to get it listed, so it can't be put on the list. The same gun the Supreme Court ordered D.C. to have registered wound up being banned in D.C. five months later.

The city realized they could not defend this crazy law. They expanded the list in such a way that it pretty much is all inclusive. They invented a new D.C. list which included everything on the California list, everything similar to ones on the California list, everything on or similar to things on similar lists in Massachusetts and Maryland, and all guns made before 1985.

D.C.'s changing its laws had the effect of mooting our case. When D.C. first proposed these laws they made all these declarations that of course [the list] is constitutional and perfectly fine. As soon as our lawsuit was filed and they had to consider its impact and what it did in real life, they realized it was indefensible. They would not have rolled over if they thought they could defend it. They did not change out of the goodness of their heart. They did it because they knew they would lose.

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  • Rich||

    "Tracey Hanson [one of the original plaintiffs in the Heller case] wanted to register a gun in D.C. and was denied because it was in the wrong color!"

    Racist bastards!

  • JB||

    A real American hero.

    Good to keep him in mind this July 4th.

  • ||

    Alan Gura Rocks!

  • BakedPenguin||

    Now if we can only find someone who'll fight like this for the 4th amendment...

  • ajacksonian||

    There also needs to be someone to do arguments on the 9th and 10th Amendment so as to protect the States and the people from Federal government... of course that just might mean a 2nd Amendment fight and a huge one as there is no clear and pressing need for the federal government to regulate arms. Art. I, Sec. 10 clearly gives the States emergency powers to defend themselves and that cannot take place if their citizens are restricted in the arms they can get to defend their State in case of invasion or Danger which will not admit of delay. Ahhh... now that would be a fight to watch: Article I and Amendments 2, 9 and 10 all brought together in one argument.

  • ||

    But, but, if people have GUN rights, won't they soon be insisting on other ones? How are you supposed to convert the United States into a fully indentured, investor-friendly socialist dictatorship if people have rights? Next thing you know, they'll want to be able to approve/disapprove tax increases by a public vote, have a real say in government processes, and have states' rights be observed, could vote down membership and participation in global entities, and then it just gets ugly from there...

  • ||

    There also needs to be someone to do arguments on the 9th and 10th Amendment so as to protect the States and the people from Federal government

    The problem is the 10th and 14th contradict each other with regards to incorporation of the Bill of Rights. This contradiction is used by collectivists to selectively assert federal power, as we see here.

    Personally I'd like to see the 14th done away with, and it's arguable that the 14th is invalid because of irregularities in it's ratification. As well the southern states were basically puppet governments in that period, so the states populaces were electorally disenfranchised, so the ratification is highly dubious.

    That said the 14th is what we have. If incorporation applies it must apply to the entire Bill of Rights.

  • abercrombie milano||

    My only point is that if you take the Bible straight, as I'm sure many of Reasons readers do, you will see a lot of the Old Testament stuff as absolutely insane. Even some cursory knowledge of Hebrew and doing some mathematics and logic will tell you that you really won't get the full deal by just doing regular skill english reading for those books. In other words, there's more to the books of the Bible than most will ever grasp. I'm not concerned that Mr. Crumb will go to hell or anything crazy like that! It's just that he, like many types of religionists, seems to take it literally, take it straight...the Bible's books were not written by straight laced divinity students in 3 piece suits who white wash religious beliefs as if God made them with clothes on...the Bible's books were written by people with very different mindsets...

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