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Today's Federal Circuit Oral Argument in Our Tariff Case
Outcomes are hard to predict. But the judges seemed skeptical of the administration's claim that the president has virtually unlimited power to impose tariffs.

Today, the en banc US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit hear oral arguments in VOS Selections, Inc. v. Trump, the case challenging Trump's massive "Liberation Day" tariffs brought by the Liberty Justice Center and myself on behalf of five small businesses seriously harmed by the tariffs. You can listen to the argument here. Leading appellate litigator and Georgetown law Prof. Neal Katyal argued for us.
The case is consolidated with a similar one brought by twelve state governments, led by Oregon. We are defending a unanimous ruling in our favor by the US Court of International Trade, which held that the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) does not grant the president anything approaching unlimited tariff authority, and if it did it would be an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power to the executive.
It is difficult to predict case outcomes based on oral arguments, particularly one with eleven judges that have a diversity of views and interests. Still, I can make a few tentative observations.
First, there seems little, if any, support for the idea that IEEPA grants the president unlimited tariff authority of the kind the administration claims. Multiple judges expressed skepticism that the law gives him the authority to rewrite the tariff schedule or to claim "unbounded authority." Several judges emphasized, as Judge Reyna noted, that "IEEPA doesn't even mention the word tariffs." From the beginning of this litigation, we have emphasized that IEEPA delegates authority to "regulate" importation, but regulation is distinct from taxation.
Even if IEEPA does allow some tariff authority, as the predecessor court to Federal Circuit ruled in United States v. Yoshida International Inc. (1975), with respect to the Trading with the Enemy Act (predecessor statute for IEEPA), it doesn't follow that authority is unlimited. Yoshida held it was not endorsing unlimited tariff authority. It emphasized that the Nixon tariffs were linked to the preexisting tariff schedule set by Congress, and that "[t]he declaration of a national emergency is not a talisman enabling the President to rewrite the tariff schedules." It even noted that to "sanction the exercise of an unlimited [executive] power" to impose tariffs "would be to strike a blow to our Constitution." A number of judges noted today that, if Yoshida applies to IEEPA (thereby authorizing some tariffs), so too do its limitations on the scope of permissible tariff authority.
Some judges also suggested that unconstrained tariff authority would run afoul of the major questions doctrine and constitutional constraints on delegation of legislative power to the executive. The CIT based its ruling in part on these considerations.
Even if IEEPA does allow the use of tariffs, the law can only be invoked in the event of an "emergency" that poses an "unusual and extraordinary threat" to the US economy and national security. Those judges who raised this issue seemed skeptical of claims that what qualifies and an "unusual and extraordinary threat" is left to the unreviewable discretion of the president. Otherwise, IEEPA (assuming it allows tariffs at all) would be a blank check for the president, thereby exacerbating major questions and nondelegation problems.
There is nothing unusual or extraordinary about trade deficits, the supposed threat targeted by the Liberation Day tariffs. We have had them for decades, and today's deficits are well in line with historical norms.
A number of judges raised an issue that was given little consideration by the lower court, and in briefing by the parties: even if trade deficits are not an "unusual and extraordinary threat," perhaps some of their supposed consequences do. Those possible effects include damage to US manufacturing, decline of the defense industrial base or the like.
Claims that trade damages US manufacturing and defense industries are - like trade deficits - far from unusual. Protectionists have advanced such arguments for decades. Far from atrophying or "hollowing out," US manufacturing output has actually grown in recent decades, nearly doubling since 1997. While it has declined as a percentage of GDP, that's largely because other industries (such as services) have grown even more. Perhaps we should have still more manufacturing. But there is nothing "unusual and extraordinary" about its current level. Whatever danger trade deficits pose to manufacturing or defense is not an unusual and extraordinary threat, but a normal policy issue that cannot be addressed through a statute limited to emergency situations. Moreover, as the amicus brief by leading economists points out, trade deficits, as such do not cause decline in manufacturing.
Finally, it is worth noting that IEEPA only authorizes measures that "deal with" the emergency and unusual and extraordinary threat that justifies its invocation. Trump's imposition of 10% or higher tariffs on virtually every nation in the world goes far beyond merely targeting imports that might plausibly be said to undermine manufacturing or defense.
In sum, it is hard to predict what exactly the Federal Circuit will do here. But I am tentatively optimistic that the court will at least reject claims that IEEPA gives the president virtually unlimited, unreviewable tariff authority.
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The Senate should be preparing a reconciliation bill to codify Trump's tariff agreements, and the default tariff, if its needed. I would think even if this court rules against Trump the Supreme court would stay any injunction, so there is no rush, and there are lots of agreements still being negotiated, but they should have the framework ready.
Congress should do its job? HAHAHAHA! Good one.
Wait, you were serious???
Ilya is right. "Outcomes are hard to predict." Why is that?
That is because judge decisions are not based on facts, law, logic, policy considerations. They are based on feelings. Minds cannot be read.
While stupid, it would at least be constitutional. A welcome change.
The advantage of having congress enact a bill that specifies tariffs (e.g. country X is assessed a tariff rate of Y% ) is that it's would be a written document that can't be changed willy nilly by the whims of the president.
But that would negate the entire point of the tariffs, which is that Trump, and only Trump, gets to decide who is rewarded and who is punished by this particular weapon in his toolbox.
So, don't hold your breath that congress will suddenly grow a spine and do anything, since it would undermine the entire premise of the tariff power.
Right, we only want judges appointed by Democrats, like the mediocre Sotomayor and Jackson, and only them, making decisions.
No, we want Congress making decisions delegated to Congress by the Constitution. Making sure that happens is pretty much what federal appellate judges are there for.
Why would Congress set into law tariffs that are based on Trump's whim and ChatGPT?
That is, in fact, what the Constitution requires. Taxes must be set by Congress, not the President or the courts.
If Trump's case is not going to prevail in the end, what would the logic be to the grant of an injunction?
Seems like this should be a homerun based on non-delegation grounds alone.
I’m sure Josh Blackman can explain that non-delegation only limits Democratic presidents.
“A number of judges raised an issue that was given little consideration by the lower court, and in briefing by the parties: even if trade deficits are not an "unusual and extraordinary threat," perhaps some of their supposed consequences do.”
To be fair, this point was made in each one of DOJ’s briefs and raised by DOJ at each oral argument. Though I forgot we’re in the Ilyaverse, so nevermind.
What is the expected timeframe to get the decision on this case? Is a month to six weeks normal?
I have sympathy for both lawyers. They were getting asked questions, allowed to speak for like two seconds and then interrupted with more questions.
Hot benches are always better than the alternative.
Agreed. A hot bench usually shows that the judges are involved in the case and want to probe specific issues.
If the judges are just letting you ramble (basically, repeating what you already submitted in written briefs) that means that ... they've already made up their minds.
If the judges made up their mind, one side often benefits.
If Trump doesn't have this authority, then Biden didn't have authority to institute mask mandates, eviction moratoriums, to cancel student loans for black Democrats, and so on.
1) That's a nonsensical argument. How does a putative particular congressional grant of authority to the president by one statute on one topic speak to whether congress granted authority to the president via a different statute on a different topic?
2) It's also a lousy argument on its own terms, because in fact, the courts generally ruled against Biden having authority on these matters.
FIFY
I mean, correct? All those things were struck down.
This is brought to you from the same people that are all like, "How DARE Biden saddle Trump with Powell," so there's that.
It's not like facts, consistency, or reality get in the way of them being outraged about irrelevant and untrue things in order to ignore the present.
Why is it that the Pentagon Papers case, a case with no practical consequences, was decided in something like two weeks, start to finish, whereas this case has dragged for months? The federal judiciary, from the Supremes on down, has such warped priorities.
Different cases, different laws at hand, different ramifications, different judges, different decades, different centuries.
The only case that get fast rulings are those that involve the left's favorite pelvic rights, namely, the right of a woman to kill her fetus and the right of a man to have buttsex.
The lady doth protest a bit much.
Buried deep inside every true MAGA cultist is a scared little homo trying to stay safe by overcompensating.
Keep validating one another with your deeply queer proclamations of social proof and say hi to Aslan for us. Maybe you’ll all be in the same support group in a few years.
A case dragging for months!!! Will the gods avenge such sloth?
The audio IT person for that courtroom needs a swift kick to the behind. It was almost impossible to hear the questions and comments from the judges.
Some of the Neal Katyal argument was quite amusing. I'll skip over his particularly grating and arrogant tone because I'm sure he's a real fun guy once you get to know him. But it really was quite funny to hear his newfound contextual appreciation of 200 years of statutory and constitutional history (at least, apparently, his own special view of that 200 years) while completely oblivious and unconcerned with that history and constitution in his strident attacks on presidential immunity. And getting past the bad statutory analysis and gross misapplication of the major questions doctrine, that selective partisan viewpoint is at the core of this abusive, obstructionist litigation. It is simply effort by leftist legal professionals to impose their own preferred policies over those of the duly elected President.
When the only thing substantive one has to say is “trust me, I know,” I suppose it helps to make the tone sound authoritative.
As we keep saying and MAGAs won't listen do: The priorities of an elected president still need to confirm to federal law. Also presidential immunity is BS.
This comment regards the question of whether damage to American manufacturing resulting from trade deficits can constitute an emergency.
Whatever else an emergency is, it is something that happens suddenly - something that emerges, unexpectedly. Assuming for purpose of argument that trade deficits damage American manufacturing, the damage, like the deficitis themselves, have occurred gradually and steadily over time. American manufacturing has not suddenly collapsed.
For this reason, courts need not and should not weigh into the policy question of whether trade deficits and their consequences are a good or a bad thing. Whatever they are, they don’t meet the defintion of an emergency.
Professor Somin seems to have difficulty here separating his policy from his legal thinking.
I have in general agreed that the statute doesn’t authorize tariffs at all, and if it it does, it certainly doesn’t authorize tariffs as sweeping and as shoot-from-the-hip as Trump has done. I don’t think you need novel doctrines like the Major Questions Doctrine to get there. But that said, pulling an elephant out of a mousehe is a pretty accurate description of how Trump has dealt with the statute.
A final note. I notice that Professor Somin, despite his preference for constitutional arguments, seems to be willing to take a win here on whatever grounds he can get.
Don’t disagree with the criticism of Somin but don’t make the same mistake as Katyal in his arrogance. President Trump isn’t “shooting from the hip.” He outlined his rationale pretty precisely in his order.
Professor Somin seems to have difficulty here separating his policy from his legal thinking.
Perhaps you could point to the part of this post that supports this assertion? The closest I can find is a one-sentence mention of an amicus brief by other people:
"Moreover, as the amicus brief by leading economists points out, trade deficits, as such do not cause decline in manufacturing."
Somin and I both agree that the tariffs are bad policy, but I think we both recognize that that should be orthogonal to the outcome of the suit. Of course, that recognition shouldn't prevent either of us from stating the obvious fact that the tariffs as implemented are bad policy.
So you haven't actually read anything that Somin has written about immigration and trade?
Beyond the fact that whether trade deficits cause a decline in manufacturing is essentially an knowable and unprovable, I don't recognize that opinion as legally relevant. This goes back to what justification is required for a presidential emergency declaration. Absent such particular fact finding standard in the statute, often those things are just because the president says so. I would agree that shouldn't necessarily be the case in many cases, especially this one, but it is what it is.
"Perhaps you could point to the part of this post that supports this assertion?"
The part at the top that states the author of this post is Ilya Somin.
"Professor Somin seems to have difficulty here separating his policy from his legal thinking."
Yes. It's always nice when others recognize and speak to this. It makes engaging with him about such legal issues problematic.
I haven't listened to the arguments yet, but if Katyal trying to preserve some of this authority while preventing Trump from using it too broadly, I agree that's a gross abuse of the Major Questions Doctrine, and a bad faith argument like I keep saying, the Trump exception once again.
If Congress constitutionally delegated this authority, it does not matter how much or often a president uses it. Using it a lot doesn't make it violate the MQD. If the emergency declarations are bogus, or do not legally activate the implicit tariff authority, then sure. Those are separate legal questions. Also making the MQD argument makes me doubt those other things are the case.
Who are the "leading economists" mentioned in the brief, so prominent they do not get named. Somin claims today's trade deficits are well in line with historical norms. What a laughable claim. The trade deficit was $167 billion in 2000. The deficit was $959 billion in 2023, which is the highest in history. Just visit https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/trade-balance-deficit to see the magnitude of this falsehood. The author makes the same false claims about the loss of manufacturing in the United States and its causes. During COVID we experienced critical shortages in masks and pharmaceuticals because we depended on overseas supply chains, but that is not an emergency for the globalist argument.
A reasonable individual can only hope that the unelected judges will recognize that the definition of emergencies belongs to elected officials.
There is no loss of manufacturing in the United States.
Well, there is under Trump. We lost 189,000 manufacturing jobs in the United States under Trump I, and are down 28,000 so far under Trump II. Biden added 610,000.
I'm up for bashing Trump as much as the next sane decent person, and it's possible — even plausible — that Trump has hurt manufacturing, but you're making the same mistake I was criticizing: confusing manufacturing employment for manufacturing output. The purpose of manufacturing is (wait for it) to make stuff. If we make more stuff with fewer workers, that's efficiency, not a problem with trade that requires tariffs (or anything else) to fix.
That's as broad a claim as the one you're trying to debunk.
I really hope, for your own sake, that you don’t do your personal financial planning and investing in nominal dollars without regard to inflation or economic growth. The trade deficit as a percentage of GDP is lower than it was 20 years ago.
So I assume a ruling against the administration would necessarily invalidate every major trade agreement made by President Trump? Judicial insurrection on steroids. Why limit the coup to domestic matters when the foreign affairs arena has so much potential too?
Yet presidential overreach on steroids is something you're ok with...
A court is entitled to rule on whether Trump breached his authority, and if he did so, why of course anything he signed then doesn't apply. A rational man would condemn Trump for the breach. An irrational one would blame the courts for not permitting it.
You just don't like the idea of any constraints, constitutional or otherwise, being placed on Dear Leader.
MAGAs do not see any authority other than Trump. Not federal law, not the Constitution, not judges, and not Congress.
I guess I should be thankful that Somin actually acknowledges this as fact:
"Even if IEEPA does allow some tariff authority, as the predecessor court to Federal Circuit ruled in United States v. Yoshida International Inc. (1975), with respect to the Trading with the Enemy Act (predecessor statute for IEEPA), it doesn't follow that authority is unlimited."
Of course no authority is unlimited. It is bounded by the statutory authority granting it. The problem with Somin's prior public advocacy on this point (having not read the briefs he co-authored, I can't say if he continued it there) was is refusal to acknowledge the IEEPA had granted ANY such tariff authority, and it was crazy to think that because it was unprecedented. Except of course it isn't.
But returning to my prior point, if the statute delegates tariff authority without restriction to the president, then the delegated tariff authority may be in fact unlimited. As long as the president complies with the statute. This is the entire begging the question that Somin engages in here, because he wants the tariff authority not to be legal. I agree that question is whether the presidential emergency declarations are legal is the particular legal question. But if they are, then it's game over. The only limit on the presidential power is whether the relevant emergency covers the tariff imposition.
Which is the quandary here. I'm not sure how much these emergency declarations differ from others on non-tariff issues. Trying to impose a review standard/threshold that never existed seems problematic. Every bit as much as some who complain about a potential Seila Law carve out for the Federal Reserve. It's why I continue to doubt the sincerity of Trump's opponents here (other that Somin). That they are not opposed to such unfettered presidential authority. Only that Trump is using it, and they're looking for a legal exception to stop him.
I continue favor repeal of such delegated authority, or explicit restrictions on what a president must stipulate (so as to be objectively reviewable) before invoking emergency powers. Judges substituting their judgments for the president's is a non-starter, an actual violation of the separation of powers.