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"When the Supreme Court Spoke With One Voice" But Was Ignored By Everyone
Cooper v. Aaron is not a model the Roberts Court should try to emulate.
Last week, in Garcia v. Noem, Judge Wilkinson invoked President Eisenhower's decision to send federal troops to integrate Central High School in Little Rock. And yesterday, Jeff Toobin called on the Roberts Court to reaffirm Cooper v. Aaron to stop Trump. His piece was titled, "When the Supreme Court Spoke With One Voice." Toobin wrote:
The choice for the court is clear: Either the justices will reaffirm the holding of Cooper that the federal judiciary is "supreme in the exposition of the law of the Constitution" or they will cede that authority to Mr. Trump and his aides. Abdicating its role to the executive branch would not only demean the judicial function but also invite chaos, as the nation wonders, case by case, which branch of government has the last word.
To preserve their authority, as well as the rule of law, the justices must reclaim what their predecessors in 1958 knew to be the only honorable and lawful course. And when they do, it would be even better if all nine of them in 2025 also signed their names.
In Cooper, the Supreme Court may have spoken with one voice, but it was largely ignored.
The crisis in Little Rock, and the Supreme Court's resulting decision in Cooper v. Aaron, are poorly understood. In my post, I included an excerpt from our 100 Cases book which summarizes the case. I would also recommend my article in the Georgetown Law Journal, The Irrepressible Myth of Cooper v. Aaron.
Should Cooper provide a basis for the Supreme Court to reaffirm the principle of judicial supremacy against President Trump? No, it should not.
First, Cooper was not a victory for the Court. The Court announced this principle of judicial supremacy. In response, Little Rock and the entire South shrugged. Public schools were closed, transferred to private parties, and remained segregated. Despite a torrent of massive resistance in the formof lower court litigation, the Supreme Court was not able to rely on Cooper's principle of judicial supremacy. I suspect the Court realized that its unanimous judgment, signed by nine Justices, had little effect.
Second, I'll offer a modest defense of Cooper. In Brown I, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment required that schools must be integrated. This ruling was decades in the making. And Brown II gave the lower courts ample discretion to allow integration with "all deliberate speed." The Court was not trying to force integration on an unwilling public. In response, the "massive resistance" frustrated rulings at every juncture, even if orders were not overly flouted. If ever there was an occasion to invoke judicial supremacy, the enforcement of Brown would seem to be such a case.
The facts of the present day are quite different. We do not have a definitive ruling by the Supreme Court on the scope of the Alien Enemies Act. (I actually think the Court will bypass the 5th Circuit and all of the procedural issues by simply ruling against Trump on the merits.) Rather, we have a series of hastily issued orders by federal judges, some of which were delivered orally, where there was arguable ambiguity about what was required. Can we really compare the "all deliberate speed" order in Brown II to an oral order issued by Judge Boasberg on a Saturday afternoon to "turn the planes around"? Worse still, the only thing the Supreme Court has said about Boasberg's order was that he improperly exercised jurisdiction over the case. This is not the case to wage a confrontation with the executive branch.
Third, Cooper ushered in the Warren Court's reign of judicial activism. Once judges sip from the chalice of supremacy, all other humility quickly falls. The Roberts Court has made good on curbing many of the excesses from this era, but much of the precedent remains, as Justice Scalia would say, "water under the bridge." Should the Court assert judicial supremacy against President Trump in this case, it will likely have to assert it again and again in controversies unimaginable.
Fourth, speaking of President Trump, there is a big difference between Little Rock and CECOT. During the Civil Rights Era, the clash was between the Supreme Court and the states. President Eisenhower, perhaps begrudgingly, backed up the judiciary. Today we have a conflict of a very different nature between the Supreme Court and the executive. The better analogy is whether James Madison would have actually delivered Marbury's commission, or whether President Lincoln would have ordered the release of Merryman. Here, no one will call the 101st Airborne to help Chief Justice Roberts or Judge Boasberg. To the contrary, I think most Americans would shrug their shoulders about whether aliens who are otherwise subject to removal spend their days in CECOT.
Fifth, I worry about the risk of the Supreme Court issuing an order truly out of its bounds in the separation of powers, and that order is ignored. Much of the criticism focuses how on that effort would empower Trump. But I think the even more compelling concern is how it would weaken the Court, perhaps irreparably. A court that issues a ruling that can be disregarded is no longer a court. That premise should inform the sorts of orders that are issued against the executive branch. Justice Alito stated the issue plainly: "Both the Executive and the Judiciary have an obligation to follow the law."
For those interested, I debated some of these issues at my law school with my dear colleague, Professor Ryan Nelson.
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Judicial supremacy, or whatever people want to call the idea that court orders are respected, is here until it isn't.
Try as they might, nothing lasts forever. Judicial supremacy encourages judges to overstep their bounds and for higher courts to look the other way and protect the club and its members. Well, that sort of thing breeds pushback.
I just don’t see CJ Roberts going to the wire against the Trump Administration here. Too much of his Branch’s power is at stake here. The Trump Administration is being opposed by dozens of activist Dem nominated lower court judges engaging in LawFare against what the Administration sees as its mandate. One of the most egregious of these activist judges grabbed control of Garcia case, and is now trying to dictate foreign policy to the Executive branch. That’s the sort of thing that is pretty well guaranteed to cause the Executive to kick back, on Separation of Powers grounds - which means them ignoring the Judiciary, to the latter’s detriment. The Judiciary operates with soft power, dating back 222 years, to that fateful decision by CJ Marshall, which tellingly didn’t force the Executive to deliver those warrants. What happens when (and at this speed, not if), the Executive ignores the Judiciary on one of these cases? The Executive has all the guns, the prisons, and the money that the Republican Congress gives them. What does the Judiciary have, besides the moral soft power of 222 years of asserted power to determine what the law is?
The issue remains that when there is a dispute as to what the law means, somebody has to have the last word. If you don't want it to be the courts, what would you substitute?
I am more trying to describe what is, not what the ideal system of government is and that no system can remain static because abuses creep in.
Let's say that Trump really wanted to stick it to the federal courts. One case I'd mention is Zadvydas v. Davis. That case requires release of deportable aliens if their home country won't take them. In other words, people who don't have the right to walk our streets have that right. Trump could point to all the deaths caused by this case and say that the courts have blood on their hands. And he could keep it up.
Why do you keep talking about Cooper v Aaron and the other civil rights cases as if the Supreme Court was wrong and the Jim Crow South was right? The Court was right, and in due course the Court got its way. Arch of Justice and all that.
Now let’s hope that in this case, too, America does the right thing after it’s tried everything else.
The courts were actually in a tough spot. Obviously, the longer de jure segregation remained in place, that tarnished the courts. Everyone, save segregationist that had completely drunk the Kool-aid" knew that "separate but equal" was bullshit in theory and appalling in reality. So tolerating it really wasn't an option. However, there were realities on the ground as well.
The law both informs and is informed by "right and wrong," but the concepts are neither coterminous nor coextensive. Reducing law to simply a mechanism to facilitate the mysterious moral arch of history is good for neither law nor morality, and it is bad history to boot.
I really appreciate how you draw the line between law and morality without pretending they’re the same thing—or pretending they never touch.
It’s a careful and honest take that avoids the trap of turning law into some kind of moral delivery system. That distinction matters, and you make it in a way that’s clear without being simplistic, and principled without being preachy. It’s a strong reminder that both law and morality do their best work when we respect the space between them.
Because Blackman supports Jim Crow. Why are you surprised?
He is also on record that he thinks Korematsu was rightly decided. After all, the President alleged Japanese were traitors who don't get due process, and most Americans like him shrugged it off. So who cares if they have to go to a concentration camp with no trial? They're slanted-eye people. Blackman is just consistent by applying the same racism to Venezuelans.
"due course the Court got its way"
Because Congress passed new civil rights laws. It wasn't the court that broke Jim Crow, it was Congress and DOJ.
Then, the courts delayed things with "forced busing"
If Professor Blackman could discredit Cooper v. Aaron, 358 U.S. 1 (1958), would his next targets be Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964), and Katzenbach v. McClung, 379 U.S. 294 (1964)?
NG, let me ask you this question, and you tell me what you think.
Fifth, I worry about the risk of the Supreme Court issuing an order truly out of its bounds in the separation of powers, and that order is ignored.
What I am fairly confident about...If SCOTUS does issue a ruling clearly out of bounds, POTUS Trump will surely not just silently ignore it. He will quite vocally reject the legal rationale and make the case to the electorate that SCOTUS clearly overstepped their bounds and he won't commit national suicide over a bad ruling.
Suppose that happens. Is it really not possible for this scenario? Then what? The House will not impeach, so that avenue is forestalled. Congress is sidelined. It is not a rebellion, either. Or an insurrection. Or treason. It is none of those things. I am not sure what that actually is called.
Your honest opinion; what then? What's the long term impact to the Court? To the Congress?
In interest of disclosure, i seem to disagree with you often re: policy, and IANAL, so I rarely have occasion to disagree on legal analysis…
That said, I think you pose a damned good question, and helped me think better about this issue. It’s a question that, one way or another, i hope we don’t have to face in reality.
"What I am fairly confident about...If SCOTUS does issue a ruling clearly out of bounds, POTUS Trump will surely not just silently ignore it. He will quite vocally reject the legal rationale and make the case to the electorate that SCOTUS clearly overstepped their bounds and he won't commit national suicide over a bad ruling."
It is impossible to predict what will happen beyond speculation. I don't anticipate that a SCOTUS ruling will be "clearly out of bounds," however. The Court to this point has been quite cautious about getting out over its skis, and I expect that the justices will pick their battles carefully.
For example, the oral argument scheduled for May 15 will enable the Court to erect some guardrails on litigants' resort to the shadow docket. As I have suggested before, the Chief Justice doesn't want his colleagues' vacation plans to be interrupted by so-called "emergency applications" on an almost daily basis during the summer recess, and when the chief took office twenty years ago, he didn't sign on to micromanage the executive branch of government.
On the merits there, a ruling prohibiting nationwide injunctions regarding birthright citizenship is pretty much unthinkable. "The purpose of a preliminary injunction is merely to preserve the relative positions of the parties until a trial on the merits can be held." University of Texas v. Camenisch, 451 U.S. 390, 395 (1981). The interpretation of Fourteenth Amendment citizenship has been settled and consistent for more than a century, and a situation whereby an infant born to alien parents in one state is a citizen, while an infant born in another state is not would be completely unworkable.
Over the longer term, I hope that Donald Trump's truculence comes back to bite him in the hindquarters. The MAGA cult is, well, a cult who will blindly follow Trump to the ends of the earth, but a significant number of folks who voted for Trump should be up for grabs in the midterm elections. Trump's flouting of a SCOTUS order will not get him impeached by the current Congress, but all bets are off as to the next Congress -- although he is unlikely to be removed if impeached then.
+1
So you net out: it ultimately gets resolved at the ballot box, or, when he leaves office in 2029. Agree with you re: Court has been cautious, and reserved, to this point.
What will happen? The next Democratic house, probably in 2027 based on recent history, will impeach, although the Senate will not convict. The next Democratic administration, very possibly in 2029 if the capital markets are giving an accurate read, will indict. The courts may or not permit a prosecution of a former president; it's somewhat more likely that they permit prosecution of former lesser executive branch officials. Total Banana Republic-hood, in short.
In the meantime, Blackman will have become ever crazier, and probably end up like Giuliani or Eastman, in a heap of trouble.
I don't forsee Blackman actually actively being involved to get in trouble like those two. He seems more likely to chatter from the balcony.
"What will happen? The next Democratic house, probably in 2027 based on recent history, will impeach, although the Senate will not convict. The next Democratic administration, very possibly in 2029 if the capital markets are giving an accurate read, will indict. The courts may or not permit a prosecution of a former president; it's somewhat more likely that they permit prosecution of former lesser executive branch officials. Total Banana Republic-hood, in short."
Indictment of Donald Trump in 2029 is possible; whether it will survive a motion to dismiss is less likely. What Trump is doing may well lie beyond the outer perimeter of his duties as President, such that he would be subject to criminal prosecution even under the execrable Trump v. United States, 603 U.S. 593 (2024), decision. Even if he is immune, however, he can be named as an unindicted co-conspirator with his underlings pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 241.
By way of comparison, in the context of a civil suit for damages where an immune official corruptly conspires with non-immune persons, the non-immune actors can be found liable. Dennis v. Sparks, 449 U.S. 24 (1980) (allegation that a state court judge conspired with private persons furnished state action for purposes of 42 U.S.C. § 1983).
Like the schools in Chicago, Detroit, and Boston intergrated any faster
Dismantling de jure segregation in public schools was the first part of the battle, building on successful efforts to show that "separate but equal" was fictional in the context of higher education. See, e.g., Sweatt v. Painter, 339 U.S. 629 (1950); Sipuel v. Board of Regents of University of Oklahoma, 332 U.S. 631 (1948); State of Missouri ex rel. Gaines v. Canada, 305 U.S. 337 (1938). Efforts to combat de facto segregation in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Boston came later.
Remembering when the one and only time people gave Jeff Toobin any attention was on a Zoom call
Jeffrey Toobin nooooooo!!! Not during the zoom call!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P-C_z1rwRk
Ah, yes. And then he "resigned" to spend more time with his favorite family member.
Something like that was bound to happen, sooner or later, with somebody.
There are a lot of typos in this post, which make it look hasty and ill-considered. Prof. Blackman should give it a good proofreading.
lotta language police on this blog
Blackman officially thinks the President should be able to imprison anyone he wants for the rest of their lives simply by accusing them of a crime and the courts should just accept this as long as public opinion would shrug it off. And this loser used to pretend to be an intellectual who cared about executive overreach when it was Biden forgiving student loans.
That's the best part - the laughable 180 taken by Blackman on Presidential power. Unilaterally forgiving a portion of student loans pursuant to sketchy statutory authority is the road to tyranny; unilaterally imposing massive tax increases and upending the world economy pursuant to sketchy statutory authority is A-OK. And even better is unilaterally sending people to foreign prisons in direct violation of court orders with zero process of law!!! How dare the courts get involved in such a thing as the question of what process a person is due before being thrown in a foreign gulag?!?!
At this point it doesn't appear Blackman even believes the President is bound by Constitutional constraints at all, and court orders should be ignored in all cases. It's curious why he doesn't just say courts and constitutional rights like due process are just pranks the founding fathers were playing on us.
Part of the conceit in the OP is that the Biden Administration would not simply ignore the Supreme Court. He might try a different approach toward forgiving loans (resulting in a somewhat different class of beneficiaries), but he would not simply ignore the courts like Trump. This, for some around here, shows how bad Trump is, but JB has instead gone after Roberts (or Barrett).
Except that there wasn’t zero Due Process. Two separate judicial (Article II court) hearings determined that Garcia was, indeed a member of MS-13, and he was ordered deported. Garcia didn’t contest that determination in court. He wasn’t, because the Biden Administration believed it was too dangerous. The government changed there, and the new one has been determined, by the Trump Administration not to be that dangerous to returned gang members.
And what would any court here in the US be able to change, if they got him back? Not only is his membership in MS-13 unreviewable, but there is evidence that he engaged in human trafficking while the Biden Administration was preventing his deportation. Was he an alien, illegally in this country, and thus deportable? Again, already judicially determined. Can the court review the Executive Branch’s determination that it was safe to return him to his native country? No, again. That is foreign policy, solely within the power of the Executive.
It's time for more Bruce "I pretend to be a lawyer but just make up facts right and left" Hayden! Yay!
No hearings determined any such thing.
There was no determination to contest in court.
This is incoherent in more ways than one. "He wasn't" what? What does the Biden Administration have to do with anything, when all acts relating to Garcia took place either under the first or second Trump administrations?
The Trump administration did not in fact make any such determination. Nor could it; only a judge could do that.
Incorrect — well, it's correct in that there's nothing to review — and also irrelevant, since that has no legal significance.
There is no such "evidence," and also the Biden administration didn't prevent anything.
The one correct thing you've said! But since that's undisputed, it's not much of an accomplishment on your part.
Every word wrong yet again.
1. The "Executive Branch" made no such determination.
2. Only a court can make that determination.
3. It is not in any way foreign policy.
4. Foreign policy is not in fact solely within the power of the executive.
The owner of the car that Garcia was stopped in with those 8 unidentified illegal minors happened to be a convicted human trafficker.
HTH
As someone else already pointed out in one of the other long threads, there is no evidence of any sort that the 8 people in the car were "illegal." (And you're the first one to call them minors.)
I'm glad you're not trying to dispute the fact that the cars owner was in fact a convicted human trafficker.
It's been reported. I have no knowledge one way or the other whether it's true, and if it is, what the actual offense consisted of. But it's irrelevant to Garcia.
Not really relevant to the larger point that no one --- no one at all -- should be sent by the United States to permanent incarceration in a facility completely outside the reach of the US justice system, i find it somewhat amusing that apart from the Chicago Bulls sweatshirt the only evidenced against Garcia was some cryptic testimony about a roll of banknotes and a hearsay statement both found in the report of a corrupt police officer who was not long after fired for passing along details of investigations to a prostitute in exchange for sex. I mean, i know there are lower evidentiary standards in ICE bond hearings, but really!
It's not just that there are low standards — though there are — but that the burden is on the defendant seeking release to prove he isn't a danger. That's an almost impossible hurdle. (In contrast, in regular criminal court there's a presumption of release on bail, and it can only be denied if the judge finds that no set of bail conditions are likely to prevent flight or public danger.)
This is why we have trials people. So that lawyers can cross-examine witnesses and ask questions in an orderly way, instead of arguing about it in comment threads on the internet.
I'm astonished people think that what the Trump administration is doing is in any way ok. Release random bits of information they can dig up to try to frame the guy as a gang member in the media, while he sits in jail without access to a lawyer, with no ability to respond or defend himself in any way. Are you ok with this? Would you be ok with it if it was YOU sitting in jail while the government spread a bunch of disinformation about you in the news media? Claimed you were a gang member based on a traffic stop and a single arrest for loitering? Really?
"That's the best part - the laughable 180 taken by Blackman on Presidential power. Unilaterally forgiving a portion of student loans pursuant to sketchy statutory authority is the road to tyranny; unilaterally imposing massive tax increases and upending the world economy pursuant to sketchy statutory authority is A-OK. And even better is unilaterally sending people to foreign prisons in direct violation of court orders with zero process of law!!! How dare the courts get involved in such a thing as the question of what process a person is due before being thrown in a foreign gulag?!?!"
As Tommy Duncan sang with Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, time changes everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT3o2NrW6Es&list=RDFT3o2NrW6Es&start_radio=1
Blackman thinks illegals don't get a free 10 year grant to live in the US just because they crossed the border.
It is not merely Cooper v. Aaron Blackman wants overturned, it is also Marbury v. Madison.
Blackman is in full Trump tyranny mode, signaling desperately to get noticed and rewarded. Poor Blackman does not realize he lacks TV ratings. With TV ratings, anyone can become Secretary of Defense, or wreak havoc in the national public health infrastructure. Without TV ratings, you can still be a politician, but only if you look like a Fox-style TV babe, or at least governed a rural backwater state.
Blackman's grim fate is to continue as a supplicant who does not know how to supplicate.
The judicial power IS supreme when it comes to deciding cases that arise under the constitution or laws of the united states. If a court decides such a case and another government entity resists it, then the problem is not that the court has overreached--the problem is that the people resisting are lawless. The duty of the courts is to issue the ruling the law mandates, not the ruling that a criminal official is most likely to follow. That is, it's not that the current judiciary should avoid emulating the Cooper court; rather, it's that the current executive should not emulate the scumbags who resisted court-ordered school desegregation. I fully understand that the judiciary cannot use force and that if an executive is truly intent on violating the law, nothing can stop him. Our system therefore relies on the executive's good faith in recognizing the judiciary's authority over him in matters of adjudicating cases. An executive who fails to do so must be impeached, a legislature who fails to impeach him must be voted out, and a public that fails to vote for leaders who perform these duties faithfully is simply unworthy of a republic and will suffer under tyranny.
You are assuming that there are no limits to the Judicial power seized by Marshall in Marbury. But notably, Marshall didn’t try to force the Executive to issue the warrants at issue. In the Constitution, the Executive’s powers are explicitly laid out, while the Judiciary’s really aren’t. And in at least some of these cases (notably Garcia), the Judiciary is attempting to infringe into the Executive’s core Article II powers. So, why is the Executive the branch overreaching here? Being lawless? And not the Judiciary?
Did you actually graduate from law school? Or high school?
Nice retort. Is that how you behaved in court?
The only law that fool practices is Boblaw.
In court I would seek sanctions against Bruce because he routinely misstates the facts and law in ways that can only be deliberate.
The constitution explicitly lays out that the judicial power extends to cases arising under the constitution or the laws of the U.S. If it involves adjudication of a "case," then the judiciary has the power. The question of what, if anything, the law requires the government to do after it has illegally deported a specific individual in violation of a withholding order sounds like a "case" to me. It is a particular set of facts dealing with the legal claims of one person, rather than a general policy question. The courts might ultimately decide that the illegality committed by the government cannot be redressed because the separation of powers precludes the judiciary from ordering the executive to engage with a foreign government in a particular way, but the separation of powers question itself is for the courts to decide. An executive who refuses to recognize that this is the order of things under our constitution is nothing but a dictatorial rat.
School desegregation was a long-term effort that was accomplished by multiple branches of government. The Supreme Court played a role. Brown v. Board, for instance, had support from the executive branch, which saw segregation as a foreign policy problem. Federal legislation was also essential long term.
The Roberts Court is already activist, for good or ill. This is not going to "start" things in that respect. Unless "activism" just means usage of judicial power (including to override congressional authority) in the "wrong" way. So, overturning Chevron deference would not be "activist." Circular language.
We also have this:
To the contrary, I think most Americans would shrug their shoulders about whether aliens who are otherwise subject to removal spend their days in CETOT.
It is not the only thing that matters, to be clear, but Americans have been quite concerned about what is going on here. Once they see how his misuse of power is harming real-life people, instead of caricatures, they are quite upset. They are not shrugging it off.
It would not be "an order truly out of its bounds in the separation of powers" to protect the due process rights of noncitizens or to address various other unconstitutional/illegal (depending on the case) things Trump is doing.
The final concern is that they will do something that makes them look like a paper tiger. Courts from even before Marbury have carefully considered that.
But, at some point, the chance that a person like Trump will ignore you is not a reason not to interpret the law and do judicial tasks you have sworn to do.
Again, that involves some finesse, but that's the bottom line.
>The Roberts Court is already activist, for good or ill.
Roberts gave away the ghost with the ACA one. Then Obgerfell & Windsor were disasters. Sickening disasters.
"overturning Chevron deference would not be "activist.""
Court creates a doctrine, then abandons it. Which was one was the "activist" part?
"Activist" has many meanings, so it depends on what it means.
If 'activism' means they did something wrong, overturning it (IMHO).
If it means giving more power to the judiciary (which is not necessarily wrong, if the power is rightly obtained), it is overturning deference. That gives courts more power.
This is probably a generally valid definition of "judicial activism" as compared to "judicial restraint."
If "activism" means something else, the answer might be different.
"School desegregation was a long-term effort that was accomplished by multiple branches of government."
Similarly, School segregation was a long-term effort that was accomplished by multiple branches of government. The Supreme Court also played a role.
"The Court was not trying to force integration on an unwilling public."
So what part of the public was "unwilling"? Oh yes, the white Southern part, apparently the only part that really matters.
"Fifth, I worry about the risk of the Supreme Court issuing an order truly out of its bounds in the separation of powers, and that order is ignored. Much of the criticism focuses on that effort would empower Trump. But I think the even more compelling concern is how it would weaken the Court, perhaps irreparably. A court that issues a ruling that can be disregarded is no longer a court. "
A court that is afraid to issue rulings for fear of being overruled by the Executive is no longer the Court contemplated by the Constitution, but instead of panel of lackeys. This is common enough in other countries, usually described as authoritarian, but a little novel here. But Blackman, like much of MAGA, really would prefer that America be more like Hungary, Turkey or Russia despite their ostensible love of American heritage.
"... poorly misunderstood."
Pithily sums JB up.
A court that fails to issue the ruling it believes to be correct because of fear that someone will disregard it is no longer a court.
I earnestly want to hear more analysis on the Volokh blog (not from Blackman) about wether the order even can effectively be disregarded. Criminal contempt the President can veto; but not civil contempt, which can include fines and jail time. What happens once Judge Xinis starts jailing Noem until Garcia is returned? Or fines her $10,000 per day?
"What happens once Judge Xinis starts jailing Noem until Garcia is returned? Or fines her $10,000 per day?"
Assuming the sanction is for civil contempt, she remains in jail or the fines keep accumulating until the Defendants comply with Judge Xinis's order. If compliance is not forthcoming, I would anticipate more defendants being jailed until it is.
There is some point beyond which continued confinement will not have further coercive effect, such that the contemnor should be released. For example, during the Clinton administration, Susan McDougal was found in civil contempt by the U. S. District Court in Arkansas and jailed for refusing to answer questions before a grand jury. She was released after 18 months to begin serving a previously imposed criminal sentence. (She was later charged with criminal contempt and obstruction of justice. The jury deadlocked on the contempt and acquitted on the obstruction charge.)
After the defendants contemptuously defied their discovery obligations and Xinis called them on it, both parties filed sealed pleadings with the court. Based on those, and pursuant to the agreement of both parties, she entered a one-week stay of discovery yesterday. Wondering if some sort of deal actually might be imminent.
Yeah, it's speculation at this point, but why would it be sealed?
I don't understand this particular disagreement with Cooper v. Aaron.
Perhaps a ruling by the Supreme Court does not technically bind me as a non-party. However if I engage in identical conduct as a bound party (deny integration of schools, disallow a gay marriage, prosecute someone for sodomy) then I will immediately lose in court because the prior decision has created such a strong binding precedent that I cannot in good faith argue that what I am doing should be allowed.
How is that any different that being bound by the prior decision? When I am hailed into court, I have no valid defense for my actions.
I think the case where your argument is valid is when one is similarly situated as the defendants in those cases.
Like if you're a hotty backwoods podunk county clerk, well you might have to do the unthinkable. But if you're not, well f u homos go get gay married at some gay thingamajig, not around here with us respectable people.
Sure, if you can somehow distinguish your proposed course of conduct from the named parties then I don't think Cooper even applies.
But in Cooper v. Aaron, even though Arkansas wasn't a party to Brown, its arguments and position in relation to the law were identical to the named parties. What defense could it use in court to operate segregated schools? There is binding precedent on point.
I completely agree with your take for those of the same (or similar enough) class. If SCOTUS rules one public school must desegregate, then of course that binds all other public schools. And it should.
Hey Blackman, it's CECOT, not CETOT.
(I thought I was having a stroke or being gaslit for a moment.)
"Never give an order you know won't be followed."
Blackman's conclusion doesn't even flow from his premise. Cooper is an example of the court's order being complied with:
"First, Cooper was not a victory for the Court. The Court announced this principle of judicial supremacy. In response, Little Rock and the entire South shrugged. Public schools were closed, transferred to private parties, and remained segregated."
Closing public schools and going to segregated private schools is entirely consistent with Cooper. The 14th amendment only applies to government entities, not private ones.
"Closing public schools and going to segregated private schools is entirely consistent with Cooper."
If Cooper failed in its goal, desegregate schools, then it is not a victory for the court.
Cooper's goal was never to desegregate schools. It was to desegregate public schools. So it was indeed a victory for the court.
"So it was indeed a victory for the court."
You are right, a closed school does not segregate its non-existent students!
White kids go to private schools, black kids have no school to attend. Victory!!!
Now you get it. The point was to end discrimination, not insure k-12 education. There is no constitutional right to public school. But if the government provides it it must provide it to all on equal terms.
Only a socialist who believes government entitlements are a right would think Cooper "failed in it's goal".
With the aid of federal troops, nine black students were admitted to Little Rock Central High School in the fall of 1957. In the wake of the SCOTUS decision in August 1958, the public high schools closed for the 1958-59 school year.
In May of 1959 three segregationist members of the school board were voted out of office, and the high schools, now integrated, reopened in August of 1959. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
Exactly, under Cooper the schools either had to accept Negroes or shutdown. They initially complied by shutting down. When parents got tired of not having a public school to send their children to they relented and opened back up integrated. The South hardly "shrugged" off the ruling.
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But no due process? Oh the humanity
"I suspect the Court realized that its unanimous judgment, signed by nine Justices, had little effect."
And yet schools are no longer segregated based on race. Josh focuses on the immediate backlash in the South, but never bothers to expand the scope of the societal response in either space or time. I'd say the Court's rulings in Brown and Cooper (and other related cases) had a transformative effect on public education in our country. But then again, I'm viewing the issue from a broader scope than the South immediately following the decision. Josh would claim that the Court's ruling in Obergefell had little effect because a county clerk in Kentucky refused to adhere to the ruling.
The President has the power of the veto over Congress, and Congress can over-ride the President. Does the Supreme Court really have veto power over both? I can find no such power in the Constitution.
Congress has various powers over the federal courts.
It can address statutory interpretation by passing new laws that "veto" court rulings. If a court determines a law means "x" and Congress disagrees, it can pass a new law.
Constitutional rulings regularly leave open alternative routes.
Ultimately, Congress can pass an amendment, which the states can ratify. That's hard, but it did happen multiple times, starting back in the 1790s.
Presidents also have power over the courts. They nominate judges. If judges break the law, the executive can prosecute. They can get around rulings in various ways, including by doing things differently. But, yes, they must faithfully follow the law, including the Constitution. The courts have a role there too.
I think most people today would consider Cooper v. Aaron mostly a success. While there certainly was widespread pushback on the most aggressive forms of desegregation and some moderation of the Court’s position, the kind of pushback against ending de jure segregation itself that leaders of the Southern states gave after Cooper was decided was not only geographically limited, it pretty much died away within perhaps 15 years. The fact of the matter is that de jure segregation was done away with. Brown v Board of Education has stuck and no longer has any serious opposition. The situation is nothing like, say, Roe v. Wade.
Incredible take. I think you should publish this. So heterodox!
Sure to win you many accolades from a certain set of Americans.