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Trump's Illegal First-Day Executive Actions
Several of his announced actions are likely to be illegal, especially some related to immigration.

Donald Trump announced today a wide range of planned executive orders and other actions. Several of them are dangerous and illegal abuses of power. This post is a nonexhaustive list, focusing primarily on issues where I have some expertise, and (in many cases) I have written about them previously.
1. Denying birthright citizenship to children of undocumented immigrants.
This is blatantly unconstitutional. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to anyone "born … in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." There is no exception for children of illegal migrants. I go over the relevant issues in detail in a recent Just Security article, where I also address various specious arguments to the effect that children of undocumented immigrants aren't covered because their parents are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US. I think it highly likely that courts will strike down this action, as the text and original meaning are clear, longstanding Supreme Court precedent points in the same direction, and there is broad (though not quite universal) cross-ideological agreement on the subject among legal scholars.
2. Using the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as a tool of mass deportation.
The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 is a component of the notorious Alien and Sedition Acts. It is the only part of that legislation that remains on the books today. The Alien Enemies Act allows detention and removal of migrants only when there "is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government." In that event, the president is given the power to detain or remove "all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized."
As I explained in this article, the Alien Enemies Act cannot be used in our current situation because we are not in a "declared war" with any foreign nation, and there also is no "invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government." My article also explains why illegal migration and cross-border drug-smuggling do not qualify as "invasion" and certainly not as an invasion by a "hostile nation or government." For more on why illegal migration and drug smuggling do not qualify as "invasion" and why a contrary ruling would set a dangerous precedent, see my March 2024 Lawfare article on this subject.
If Trump is able to use the Alien Enemies Act, notice that it would allow detention and deportation even of legal immigrants (so long as they have not yet been naturalized).
I think there is a good chance courts will rule against Trump on this issue, because the legal case against his position is very strong. But there is a risk that judges might conclude (wrongly) that the meaning of "invasion" is a "political question" that courts are not allowed to address.
3. Declaring a national emergency at the southern border.
The purpose of this is, presumably, to allow the use of the military for border enforcement, and to divert various military funds for that purpose. In my view, this is illegal for the same reason it was when Trump tried to do the same thing in 2019, in order to facilitate diversion of military funds to build his border wall. An emergency is a sudden, unexpected crisis, not an ongoing policy issue on which the president wants to redirect resources in ways not authorized by Congress:
If the president can declare an emergency and tap a vast range of special emergency powers anytime he wants for any reason he wants, that makes a hash of the whole concept of an emergency, raises serious constitutional problems, and creates a dangerous concentration of power in the hands of a single person.
It makes much more sense to interpret the National Emergencies Act as only allowing an emergency declaration in a situation where an emergency actually exists - defined as some sudden crisis that cannot be addressed swiftly enough through ordinary political processes. By that interpretation, the situation at the border doesn't even come close to qualifying.
There is no sudden crisis at the border right now. In fact illegal entries are down to their lowest level since August 2020, when the rate was unusually low due to the Covid pandemic. What remains is an ongoing policy issue, on which there is longstanding disagreement. In my view, the best way to address it is to make legal immigration easier. But those who disagree cannot get around using ordinary legislative processes by invoking an "emergency."
On this issue, I am much less confident about what courts might do than on 1 and 2 above. I fear that judges might (incorrectly) defer to the the president on the issue of whether an emergency exists.
Even if Trump prevails on the issue of whether he can declare an emergency, the specific actions he might want to adopt as a result might be illegal for other reasons, as was his attempted border wall funding diversion in 2019.
4. Declaring a national energy emergency.
I have the same objection to this as to the border wall emergency: There is no sudden crisis here, only an ongoing longterm policy issue. US energy production has greatly increased over the last several years, and prices have fallen since the inflation of 2021-23. I know much less about energy policy than border policy, so it is possible there is an angle I am missing here.
5. Designating Latin American drug cartels as terrorist organizations.
Terrorists are people who target civilians to further political causes. Drug cartels and gangs also sometimes resort to violence. But it's to protect and enhance their role in illegal markets. There is a fundamental difference between ordinary crime and terrorism. If drug cartels are terrorist organizations, so too are virtually any organized crime organizations that might resort to violence.
I worry that this designation is intended to pave the way to escalate the War on Drugs through military intervention in Mexico. That would be a disastrous idea that would make the already awful War on Drugs even worse than it already is, poisoning relations with an important neighboring state in the process. See my discussion of this issue here.
6. "Taking back" the Panama Canal.
Trump says he plans to "take back" the Panama Canal. If he means doing so by force, it would be a war of aggression in blatant violation of international law, similar in that respect to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Perhaps it was a mistake for the US to transfer the Canal to Panama in 1999. But we did do it, and there is no remotely plausible moral or legal justification for seizing it now. As with possible attacks on Mexico, it would poison relations with a key ally and damage the international standing of the US for no good reason.
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Read the headline, knew the author.
Are you somehow suggesting that Ilya would get his panties all twisted over immigration?
As Captain Renault said:
“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”
I'm shocked, shocked to find that Donald Trump doesn't care about the law, and Ilya Somin does.
...had no ability to engage with any of the arguments.
Read the headline, knew the comments would be full of idiots complaining about Ilya.
Said the idiot whining about us pointing out that Ilya is full of shit, again
Neither you nor Longtobefree bothered to actually establish any issues with Prof. Somin's post.
Professor Somin is a bullshitter on point #1 of his post.
He refuses to confront or acknowledge the fact that 50 U.S.C. §21 is an effective delegation/authorization, from Congress, for the President to proclaim a state of invasion (even if Congress, and not the Executive, held such authority), and that such an authorized proclamation may, under the Judicial precedent he cites, limit the scope of birthright citizenship.
This point has been made to him numerous times.
He is not a serious person when it comes to this issue.
You're into some Enabling Act shit, eh?
You didn't bother to actually establish any issues with the effect of the statute, or the precedent cited by Prof. Somin.
Trump would have to name the nations that perpetrated, attempted, or threatened invasion or predatory incursion (all nations?). And, he would have to convince the courts that his determination was based on the evidence.
You seem to concede that the President can make such a proclamation, and the effect it would have.
Good.
FWIW, perpetrators need not be nation states
The courts would likely, properly, recognize that decisions on the existence and extent of an invasion are inherently executive, and not Legislative or Judicial.
Per the plain text, the perpetrators must be nation states:
We don't have a King. The courts have a role to play.
Wrong. The passage you quote "any foreign nation or government" does not say "nation state."
As used in that passage, foreign nation included tribes and others, which are not "nation states."
I did not indicate that the courts have no role, instead my statement inherently acknowledged that the courts would have a role to play and indicated (based on their treatment of similar political issues) what the courts would recognize, i.e. inherently executive authority regarding determinations of invasion.
What tribes and others fall within the scope of a "foreign nation or government"? The courts may yield to the President when it comes to whether there is an invasion (but they shouldn't), but it is less likely they will yield when it comes to what constitutes a "foreign nation or government."
"The courts would likely, properly, recognize that decisions on the existence and extent of an invasion are inherently executive, and not Legislative or Judicial."
Given that the legislature, not the Executive, is constitutionally given the power to declare war, there's no way in hell the Court is going to rule that the Legislative branch is out of the loop on this.
"Professor Somin is a bullshitter on point #1 of his post."
The only thing that can limit birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment is to claim:
1) Children born in the U.S. aren't really born in the U.S., and/or
2) Children born in the U.S. aren't "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
And that's exactly what happened. Had he been Christian they would have agreed with him. Bigots abound here, and there are few actual libertarians who ever comment. Why are these people even here?
Looks like a useless TDS purveyor of cognitive dissonance.
Fat Nixon's cult minions live in cognitive dissonance
Seems like it might make sense to look at what the orders actually say before analyzing their legality?
Yep.
We can't have that. He might find out that the sky isn't falling.
"grants citizenship to anyone "born … in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.""
A case could be made that since the Mother is an illegal (spelled it right) that she isn't subject to the jurisdiction because she is already violating the law, placing herself outside of the jurisdiction.
Well the extension of that argument is that she cannot be prosecuted or sued in a U.S. court for said violation. If an American court can punish her/exercise personal jurisdiction, then she logically is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
Sure, so we just deport her. We can deport invading armies, and they're not subject to the jurisdiction, either.
Sure they are. What do you think Ex Parte Quirin was?
It was about their being enemy combatants subject to a military tribunal?
Yes, and what do you think a military tribunal is other than an exercise of the jurisdiction of the United States?
And yet, invading military ARE one of the traditional exceptions to birthright citizenship.
But they weren't invading military. They were saboteurs.
Under military orders from Germany, transported by a military submarine. What's your definition?
Unless, of course, you acknowledge the original meaning which was related to citizenship and allegiance. The sole purpose of this EO is to force the courts to revisit the issue.
A case could be made by a very dishonest person that would convince only a very stupid person. If this mother were "outside of the jurisdiction" then she could break whatever U.S. laws she wanted with impunity, since she was not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
Yes, it boggles my mind that, if one followed the "logic" of Donald Trump and friends, it would actually make illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children above the law.
One might think that this would be a quick, 9-0 SCOTUS decision against Trump. But I have a lot less confidence in the SCOTUS than that.
[Proceeds to suggest the order will be transparently illegal]
jimc5499, feel free to stop helping.
The illegal mother is subject to the law, she's actually breaking it. She is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US because she owes political allegiance to a foreign power. She can't make herself a US citizen or legal resident, with concomitant privileges and duties. And, under a proper construction of the 14th amendment, her child is a citizen of her country, or has whatever status those foreign laws allow.
Subject to the law and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are the same thing. And if she "owes political allegiance to a foreign power," whatever that word soup means, then so does every other non-citizen. Being here legally does not make one a non-citizen of one's home country. So this argument would completely eliminate jus soli, repudiating Wong Kim Ark. Which is really the upshot of this gibberish; it's an attempt to say "Brown people can never be citizens."
They just mean the same thing, although they use different language, well you’ve convinced me. Just so you know because I assume you never read the case beyond what some retarded AI summary provides, but Wong Kim Ark concerned the child of permanent, legal residents. The parents were “as subject to the jurisdiction” as the law would allow at the time. And, you may want to ask yourself, before the 14th amendment, was there a big problem with babies being born who were somehow immune to the law; that is, not subject to the law? Even slaves and emancipated slaves were subject to the law, notwithstanding that citizenship may have been a question. Ask Dred Scott. And if simply being born in the US accords citizenship, I guess your argument is that “subject to the jurisdiction” really doesn’t mean anything?
My argument — which is also the "argument" (i.e., holding) of the Supreme Court and every other court to have considered it — is that it really does mean something: it means that children of diplomats and invading armies are not covered.¹
Wong Kim Ark concerned someone named "Wong Kim Ark." It also concerned someone of Chinese ancestry. Both of those facts can be found in the opinion. But none of those facts were part of the holding of Wong Kim Ark, which did not turn on the residency status of the parents; it applies to people with other names, other ethnic backgrounds, and with parents of other residency statutes just as much.
¹At the time, Indians on Indian reservations were also not included, but that no longer applies since the Indian Citizen Act made all Indians into U.S. citizens.
1: So your footnote reveals that being a human being born in the US, whose parents were NOT foreign diplomats, was not in and of itself enough to get you US Citizenship. Otherwise the Indian Citizenship Act wouldn't have been needed
2: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/169/649/
Here's the 1st paragraph:
A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution,
Looks like it turns on both the residency of the parents, and the fact that's not diplomats.
Continuing:
The only adjudication that has been made by this court upon the meaning of the clause, "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," in the leading provision of the Fourteenth Amendment is Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94, in which it was decided that an Indian born a member of one of the Indian tribes within the United States, which still existed and was recognized as an Indian tribe by the United States, who had voluntarily separated himself from his tribe and taken up his residence among the white citizens of a State but who did not appear to have been naturalized, or taxed, or in any way recognized or treated as a citizen either by the United States or by the State, was not a citizen of the United States, as a "person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" within the meaning of the clause in question.
That decision was placed upon the grounds that the meaning of those words was
"not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance;"
So:
1: The argument that "illegals are 'subject to the jurisdiction of the US' because they can be arrested" is garbage, rejected by SCOTUS prior to Wong Kim Ark, and Wong Kim Ark did not overturn it
2: Can illegals be drafted? Pretty sure they don't get forced to serve on juries. Same for people here on tourist visas. How abotu H-1Bs? Because if "no", then that doesn't meet "owing them direct and immediate allegiance"
Good God those people didn't know how to write a readable decision. However, I'm now up to this:
"The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens"
Hmm, looks like tourists aren't included
Here, David, let's make this so simple even you can do this:
Please point to the part of the decision where they clearly say "this applies to the children of tourists", or "the fact that his parents were permanent, legal residents is unimportant"
I couldn't find that anywhere. Can you?
"She is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US because she owes political allegiance to a foreign power."
That's nonsense. If she's not "subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S." than she can't be legitimately tried for crimes in the U.S. without the foreign government who sent her accepting her being tried in the U.S.
People with "diplomatic immunity" are "not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S." People who are in our country illegally have no diplomatic immunity. In fact, many times they are actually fleeing the governments of the country they're coming from.
"A case could be made that since the Mother is an illegal (spelled it right) that she isn't subject to the jurisdiction because she is already violating the law, placing herself outside of the jurisdiction."
Just because people are violating laws, does not mean they aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. If that were true, no one could ever be prosecuted and convicted of a crime in the U.S. The mere fact of their criminality would somehow put them outside U.S. jurisdiction.
Or if you're saying that only non-citizens criminality places them outside U.S. jurisdiction, that would mean the U.S. couldn't prosecute and convict anyone who is not a citizen.
People come to the U.S. all the time, on various types of visas, and commit various crimes. No one, until Donald Trump and supporters, has ever said such people were not subject to U.S. jurisdiction. (Unless they're diplomats, or family members of diplomats, of course.)
Even then, they it is very unlikely that they are really "Illegal First-Day Executive Actions"
They are more likely to be Executive Actions that are may or may not be legally enforceable after the decisions from several protracted court fights which are assuredly going to be filed.
Of course, that doesn't have the same "I want open borders and really really hate when anyone challenges that" philosophy that Ilya tends to push and isn't near as quality of click-bait.
If the proposed action is blatantly unconstitutional there's only two options:
1) The EO itself, whatever legal justifications, is unconstitutional.
2) The EO itself doesn't accomplish the proposed action.
Can't be first to post if you do your diligence!
I think it is sound advice to get some legal eyes on the EOs before reporting on what they do. Especially if you're a left-leaning media outlet who doesn't want to actively contribute to the impression that Trump has unlimited authority to do whatever he wants, and can effortlessly notch wins by signing EOs. But for some reason these journalists can't wait a damn second to figure things out before running to press.
Yep. You and Noscitur are right. Last time, Trump regularly overpromised.
On the constitutional issues in point 1, Judge Posner disagrees with Prof. Somin. Whom should I believe? The rabid ideologue or the disinterested observer?
I know Posner doesn't want birthright citizenship for the children of people unlawfully present as a matter of policy. What is his constitutional argument?
interesting you should ask.
Back in 1998, a couple of entrepreneurs created a company called "Google" -it's really an amazing thing! You type in a search term like "posner on birthright citizenship" and up pops a document that provides Posner's reasoning - https://casetext.com/case/oforji-v-ashcroft
Nothing in there actually presents a constitutional argument, though. He just argued that it was a stupid policy and so the constitution shouldn't be interpreted that way.
How progressive of him.
Additionally from Posner:
Congress would not be flouting the Constitution if it amended the Immigration and Nationality Act to put an end to the nonsense. On May 5, 2003, H.R. 1567, a bill "To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens," was referred to the House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. I hope it passes.
Our hands, however, are tied. We cannot amend the statutory provisions on citizenship and asylum.
I find this argument to be strange because the current statute (8 U.S. Code § 1401) uses the exact same language as the 14th Amendment: "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." If the Constitution already denies citizenship to the children of unlawfully present parents, why doesn't the statue already do likewise?
I guess Posner is arguing Section 5 of 14A permits Congress to define "subject to the jurisdiction" but the courts can't? I'm not sure how that squares with City of Boerne v. Flores where the Court said Congress can't define the meaning of the the 14th.
Posner:
Schuck argues consent of the people is required to grant birthright citizenship. But, he claims to have reached that conclusion from the debates on the 14th Amendment, not its text (Scalia rolls over in grave). Stein echoes Schuck's argument, explicitly Schuck's paper.
Anyway, that argument ought to be next to "begging the question" in the dictionary. If the 14th amendment means what 'most everyone thinks it means, then people did consent, by ratifying it.
As David Nieporent points out, how did the 14th Amendment get passed, if it didn't have the consent of the people?
Schuck seems to think that the people of the 21st century have decided that the people of the 19th century wrote a bad amendment. The solution there is to write a good amendment, not to ignore the amendment that now seems bad (to some people).
I haven't seen any actual analysis from Prof. Somin, and I'm not interested enough in the question to do my own research, so I'm planning on relying on scholarly authority with respect to this issue. (Same as I do with vaccines.) The question is what authority I should trust.
y81, you might start with reading Professor Somin's "actual analysis" regarding birthright citizenship in his Just Security article that he conveniently links in the OP. That you haven't seen it doesn't mean that the professor has not done the analysis.
The first thing to do is to read and follow the Royal Society's motto:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba
I’m not sure that’s correct:
https://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2010/10/the-controversy-over-birthright-citizenshipposner.html
This is admittedly before he went all in on the “my policy ideas” school of constitutional interpretation so perhaps he has become less equivocal.
Why would Posner be any more disinterested than Somin on this issue?
The "disinterested observer" would be the one who says he doesn't care what's in the Constitution, and doesn't care what the people who wrote the Constitution were thinking when they wrote it?
https://joshblackman.com/blog/2015/11/06/judge-posner-on-judging-birthright-citizenship-and-precedent/
On the value of text and history:
"I’m not particularly interested in the 18th Century, nor am I particularly interested in the text of the Constitution. I don’t believe that any document drafted in the 18th century can guide our behavior today. Because the people in the 18th century could not foresee any of the problems of the 21st century."
Oy, vey! So much for the Rule of Law.
"Trump's Ilegal [sic] First-Day Executive Actions"
He seized the Canal today? Bravo but its only been 2 hours.
1. I think Trump is on incredibly weak ground on the birthright citizenship issue, but I WOULD like to see the actual text of the EO before assuming that his action was literally illegal, rather than likely futile.
2. I really don't think your opinion about whether we're being invaded is going to carry much legal weight. Trump is on at least swampy ground here.
3. Trump is standing on legal bedrock on this one: The National Emergencies Act clearly lays out just one basis for there being an emergency: The President says there's one. And what's more, you know that.
4. Ditto.
5. Again, I don't think your opinion carries any particular legal weight here, he's on pretty solid ground on this one.
6. Entirely depends on the text of the EO.
Really, you should have waited on the EO's being published. And you really need to get over the idea that your opinion about things like invasions, emergencies, or terrorist groups, have any legal relevance. For better or for worse, a lot of these decisions really are assigned to the President by law.
Oh, and could you get over the idea that advancing legal arguments and setting up legal challenges you disagree with are crimes on the part of the Executive?
I've lost track of how many times Biden ordered genuinely illegal actions, knowing the courts had ruled against time already. His attempts at student loan forgiveness. I don't recall any particular ire on your part about it.
I've made this argument a few times before, and I don't believe you've ever replied. I think you are wrong that an emergency can mean anything the President determines. Although not defined by the statute, the word "emergency" does have a definition all on its own. There has to be some rational connection between the word and the situation. Maybe there is in this case, and maybe there isn't, but it can't only be "...the President says there's one."
Sorry, but that's been the history of it; The only requirement historically has been that the President declared an emergency, and Congress didn't override him on it.
And the National Emergencies Act was passed expressly to limit the president's power.
And it does limit what he can do in an emergency, and grant Congress the power to terminate an 'emergency', but it in no way restricts his ability to declare one.
It does. It does not say, as you wish, "The president may declare an emergency whenever he thinks it necessary" or even "Whenever the president shall declare an emergency, such-and-such will happen."
It only allows him to declare emergencies when they actually exist.
The president has no free-floating constitutional power to declare emergencies.
If the statute contains no standard, the default would presumably be rational basis review. I think all or most of Trump's actions pass that test. For instance, the Mexican drug cartels assassinate government officials in order to affect government policy, which a rational person could consider terrorism.
Rational basis review makes sense to me. But that's a far cry from "Whatever the President says."
If you don't have a hostile judge, "Whatever X says" IS what rational basis review is, in practice.
List of recently declared national emergencies here. Which of these do and do not fit your preferred definition of an emergency that actually exists?
As of March 2024, 84 emergencies have been declared;[3] 40 have expired and another 42 are currently in effect, each having been renewed annually by the president.[4][5][6]
Yeah, I think that says it all
"It only allows him to declare emergencies when they actually exist."
At whose determination?
Certainly not yours.
"(a) With respect to Acts of Congress authorizing the exercise, during the period of a national emergency, of any special or extraordinary power, the President is authorized to declare such national emergency. "
And that's all it says. Nothing at all about random law professors having to agree with him.
3. So I guess we're not going to hear about the nondelegation doctrine for the next four years then?
I frankly think the National Emergencies act is a terrible law, for multiple reasons. But it says what it says, and it's been upheld.
Yes, because the nondelegation doctrine, as a general proposition, isn't the law of the land. But you wouldn't know that from listening to conservatives during the last two Democratic presidencies.
Plenty of bad laws around.
This is a normal law, that didn't assume Trump's level of abuse of process.
The National Emergencies Act does not say that, "clearly" or otherwise.
I am not familiar with this law, but having done a quick skim, it seems like the National Emergencies Act prescribes procedures to be followed when "emergencies" are declared under various other statutory provisions, and says nothing in itself about what may or could constitute an "emergency" (or indeed, what follows from such a declaration). It seems like, if we want to understand the president's "emergency" authority, including any substantive limits thereto, we actually have to go to specific other provisions of the law, and not the NEA itself - is that right?
Yes. The NEA is not — contra Brett — the source of presidential power to declare emergencies. There are numerous other statutes that grant the president such power in specific circumstances, such as the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 USC § 1701, et seq.)
The NEA is not the source of the powers exercised. But,
"With respect to Acts of Congress authorizing the exercise, during the period of a national emergency, of any special or extraordinary power, the President is authorized to declare such national emergency. "
Here's a "Line by Line Breakdown" of the EO. There's really nothing there. Donald Trump is making assertions that half-true or merely his ignorant opinions. He provides no legal justifications. (Surprise!)
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order/
For example:
So...in the 150+ years since the 14th Amendment was passed, how many people have been judged "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" because their "mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth?
You'd think if he had any case at all, he would have at least named a few of these people, or told how many thousands or millions of them are "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." And you'd be right. If he had any case at all, he *would* have done that.
I doubt we'll get any meaningful immigration reform through Congress until the border is reasonably secure. And Trump wants to be accused of violating the Constitution on immigration. Populism in all its forms is always a reaction to elitism. What's the point of being a populist if there isn't any "elitism" to blame?
And speaking of elitists, the 5th Circuit just upheld a ruling a few days ago saying that a Biden administration rule to codify Obama's DACA violates U.S. immigration law. What'd that take, 12 years? How long do you think it will take for Trump's unconstitutional immigration orders to be ruled as such? Isn't it likely to be long after people have been deported?
I doubt it will take 12 years or more for a ruling against Donald Trump's Executive Order claiming that children born in the U.S. of illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., and thus are not U.S. citizens.
"An emergency is a sudden, unexpected crisis..."
That is an odd view of "emergency" and not at all true.
The most obvious counter to that that there WAS an sudden, unexpected crisis which the previous executive branch failed to address (millions of illegals crossing with little to no resistance).
An emergency does go away just because of prior incompetence or philosophy that choose to ignore it.
Concentrating on currently levels of illegals crossing, rather that the record numbers which created the emergency to begin with, is nothing more than a red herring.
The problem doesn't go away in that situation, but it ceases to be an emergency.
By way of example, it's common in litigation for a party to ask a court for emergency relief of some sort — an emergency order to require or block a particular action in an imminent period of time. And if it turns out that you could have asked months ago, and didn't, the court will say, "Sorry, but that's not an emergency."
But the declaration of an emergency with respect to the Iranian hostage crisis is still in effect. So I guess national emergencies don't function quite the same way as emergency judicial relief.
Great. I'm glad you agree that all the nonlegistative emergencies around Covid were illegitimate, since the legislatures had all the time they needed to respond.
Holding that current standard would undo multiple existing asylum claims as we still have people here from natural disasters from over 30 years ago. Obviously, Ilya would find nothing wrong with exempting that in support of his pet idiocy
Trump argued in the Supreme Court, and won, claiming that only Congress had power under section three of the Fourteenth Amendment. But now he claims that the executive has power under section one. Hardly consistent, although the issues are not quite isomorphic.
Trump is quite wrong about 14A1. There was not such thing as an illegal immigrant when 14A was ratified. Congress can not create categories of people and then deny them rights they already had.
Your comment is DEAD WRONG. Article 1 Section 8 grants Congress the authority to create immigration law. The 14th amendment DOES NOT repeal that authority.
We're not discussing immigration law, so it's not clear what your comment — even if accurate — has to do with the discussion.
Revoking citizenship for fraud, by the adult mother. That would also revoke citizenship from 'Tourist pregnant Chinese women'.
What fraud is going on? I see no lies.
And do you have any proof of the extent of this Chinese tourist birthright babyfiesta or are you speculating?
1) What fraud?
2) No, it would not in fact revoke citizenship from their children, who did not commit any illegal act, fraud or otherwise.
3) Still doesn't answer the question I asked, which was what Congress's power over immigration has to do with the citizenship of people born here.
The 14th Amendment contains no provision for "revoking" the citizenship of a child born in the U.S., due to "fraud, by the adult mother."
There have been 84 national emergencies declared since the law was enacted.
42 are still in effect.
42 national emergencies. That doesn't jive with Ilya's understanding of the practice of national emergencies.
Sorry Somin, but your America Last communist rhetoric ain't gonna fly around here anymore.
How is this 'America last communist rhetoric'?
A President's unilaterally renaming anything -- the Gulf of Mexico, Denali -- without the involvement of the Secretary of the Interior (not yet confirmed) and the Board on Geographic Names (not yet consulted?), is probably inconsistent with 43 U.S.C. secs. 364-364f.
The change from McKinley to Denali was accomplished by Secretary of the Interior Jewell, in an August 28, 2015 order (No. 3337, but I couldn't find a link). Obama also signed an executive order, but an executive order wouldn't have been enough by itself to accomplish the change.
General Motors will, no doubt, rename their SUV Denali to McKinley next model year.
The order directs the secretary of the interior to pursue the renaming process. Seems (procedurally) fine.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/
Also, purporting to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America is moronic and childish, and can only be defended by the most moronic of Trump's defenders.
Speaking of moronic, I guarantee that Donald Trump knows exactly zero things about William McKinley, and cares even less. This is just a "Fuck Barack Obama" order; he wants to rename the place because Obama did so first.
Yeah, and Obama issued a "fuck McKinley" order. I don't personally see much point to renaming things, or renaming them back, but I think BOTH sides of this volley are stupid.
McKinley having been dead for more than a century, and Obama not being known for having expressed animus towards McKinley, I doubt that was his motivation.
The author of this article would have FLUNKED 4th grade logic 30 years ago, and has not improved on the issue.
Couldn't be worse than the flawed logic throughout the comments.
"there is no remotely plausible moral or legal justification for seizing [the Panama Canal] now"
Except the treaties we signed with Panama, which allow us to do so.
Where? I can't find that provision.
Another MAGA lie. He was in office just few hours and he is already threatening war with another country.
Professor Somin,
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful critique of these proposed executive actions. In a devil’s advocate spirit, I’d like to offer some counterarguments—or at least highlight how proponents might attempt to justify each measure—without necessarily endorsing their positions.
First, while it is widely accepted that the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship to nearly all children born on American soil, there remains a minority view that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” could be read more restrictively. Although United States v. Wong Kim Ark strongly supports birthright citizenship, that case involved lawful resident parents rather than undocumented immigrants. Some might argue that the Supreme Court has never squarely addressed children of parents who violated U.S. immigration laws. An executive order or policy limiting citizenship in these cases would surely face fierce challenges, but it could also prompt the judicial system to clarify a clause many believe has never been explicitly tested in this context.
Next, with respect to the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, it is indeed an antiquated and narrowly framed statute. Yet from a devil’s advocate perspective, a president could cast large-scale cartel or smuggling operations as a “predatory incursion,” given that cartel violence sometimes involves the tacit or direct complicity of foreign officials. Courts historically defer to the executive in matters of national security, and it is conceivable—if admittedly unlikely—that a creative legal team could argue this falls under the Act’s umbrella. The broader concern, however, is that once we expand “invasion” to include such amorphous threats, we risk normalizing a dangerously broad interpretation of the statute.
Regarding the declaration of a national emergency at the southern border, the National Emergencies Act does not strictly define what constitutes an “emergency.” U.S. presidents have invoked national emergencies over long-running issues without encountering an immediate, obvious crisis. Proponents might cite the recent spike in fentanyl deaths and the humanitarian strains at the border as an accelerating threat that requires prompt executive action. Although you rightly point out that nothing is especially sudden about immigration patterns, White House lawyers have historically been adept at framing ongoing problems as “emergencies,” especially when public opinion is sympathetic to a show of swift action.
Similarly, while declaring a national energy emergency might seem baseless given rising domestic energy production and stable prices, a president may argue that precarious global energy markets, ongoing geopolitical tensions, and the potential for abrupt supply shocks warrant preemptive measures. Under statutes like the Defense Production Act, the executive could assert that the mere possibility of a crisis justifies broader action. Courts are typically reluctant to second-guess judgments about economic and national-security vulnerabilities, even if critics deem them opportunistic.
On the issue of designating Latin American drug cartels as terrorist organizations, the broad statutory definition of “terrorist activity” under 8 U.S.C. § 1189 gives the Secretary of State latitude to include groups that engage in lethal intimidation aimed at governments, even if their motives are more about profit than ideology. Although that might blur the line between crime and terrorism, advocates might argue that cartel violence can destabilize institutions to such an extent that it effectively forces political outcomes. Whatever the policy wisdom, the law grants significant discretion for determining what threatens U.S. security.
Lastly, your criticisms of any plan to “take back” the Panama Canal are well taken. There is, indeed, no sound legal basis for revoking the Torrijos–Carter Treaties. Yet if a future president were to claim that Panama had failed to uphold treaty obligations or that hostile influences threatened the waterway, the executive could attempt—however implausibly—to justify an intervention on national security grounds. Even in the face of near-universal condemnation, the historical tendency has been for courts to lean heavily on the political branches when foreign policy and national defense are invoked.
Altogether, your post rightly underscores the serious constitutional and moral dangers posed by these proposals. Nonetheless, proponents may still find ways to test the boundaries of executive power by exploiting statutory ambiguities or relying on the judiciary’s traditional deference to the executive on security and foreign affairs. While most legal and constitutional experts agree these measures should fail, the historical record shows that presidential determinations of emergencies, invasions, or threats often receive more benefit of the doubt in court than critics might expect. The question is whether this time, faced with actions that so plainly strain constitutional limits, the courts would finally draw a sharper line in the sand.
"born … in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." There is no exception for children of illegal migrants
1: They're illegal aliens or invaders
2: They're not subject to the jurisdiction o fhte US, because if they were, they wouldn't be here
So go F yourself
So, they can’t be prosecuted for crimes they commit here?
A certain Jose Ibarra will be very relieved when he gets the news!
That's fine, when deported if his Country refuses entry; makes his re-entry from 20,000 feet and problem is solved, rather finally.
Very serious guy here!
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" != "can be prosecuted"
It was not until 1924 that the Indian Citizenship Act was passed giving all Native Americans born in the US US Citizenship.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Indian_Citizenship_Act
In 1868, under the 14th Amendment, all persons "born or naturalized" in the United States were declared citizens. However, the amendment was interpreted to exclude most Native Americans, and in 1870, the Senate Judiciary committee further clarified the matter, stating, "the 14th amendment to the Constitution has no effect whatever upon the status of the Indian tribes within the limits of the United States."
So, could those Indians be prosecuted for crimes? Yes. Did that put them under the 14th?
No
Therefore your argument is garbage
They are in fact subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. It's hard to fathom how much some racists hate non-whites so much that to deny their kids citizenship they're willing to make them immune to all U.S. law.
The idea that you should know something before posting about it is not as bad as you seem to think.
is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government."
The illegals who invaded America during the Biden Admin qualify.
And since the gov't of Venezuela emptied its prisons to send invaders here, that meets the requirements.
Are you always this shitty of a lawyer?
gov't of Venezuela emptied its prisons to send invaders here
New one on me. And proof?
Just another MAGA lie. Never forget they just make shit up.
Only Trump's claim, which I admit is not sufficient proof.
But the number of notorious Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang members in the US could be claimed as proof of an invasion.
Given the deference SCOTUS is supposed to show the Executive on matters of foreign policy, and the fact that Roberts no longer holds the deciding vote, I don't believe it's a slam dunk case either way
An emergency is a sudden, unexpected crisis
So, I'm curious, once we were a month or two in to Covid, did you come out against every single use of "emergency powers" (like Dem gov's rewriting election law for the 2020 election)?
IOW, do you agree that Democrats illegally stole the 2020 election with their illegal election law changes?
Or does that rule only exist when it's Trump?
Of course, that's (D)ifferent.
Perhaps it was a mistake for the US to transfer the Canal to Panama in 1999. But we did do it, and there is no remotely plausible moral or legal justification for seizing it now
https://infogalactic.com/info/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties
This first treaty is officially titled The Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal (Spanish: Tratado Concerniente a la Neutralidad Permanente y Funcionamiento del Canal de Panamá)[1] and is commonly known as the "Neutrality Treaty". Under this treaty, the U.S. retained the permanent right to defend the canal from any threat that might interfere with its continued neutral service to ships of all nations.
If China is getting ANY power over the Panama Canal, and that means ANY Chinese Company running ANYTHING, then Trump has a strong argument Panama is violating the Treaty, and the US gets to move in.
You really are just really stupid, aren't you. Because anyone with a brain would have at least mentioned the issue. But your TDS is too far gone to let you write anything intelligent WRT Trump
I don't see how Chinese use of the channel interferes with "continued neutral service to ships of all nations."
Notice how you changed "power over" to "use of"?
Because we sure did.
No, Brett. I read the comment I replied to:
"If China is getting ANY power over the Panama Canal, and that means ANY Chinese Company running ANYTHING."
That's use, not power.
No, it's not
"Running" != "use"
You're not that stupid, so why are you pretending that you are?
Chinese ships using the canal is perfectly consistent with the treaties.
Communist Chinese "companies" having any contracts for running the canal, OTOH, are not.
As a CCP controlled company is currently running 2 of 5 Panama Canal ports, Panama could reasonably be said to be in breach of the Treaty
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-20/panama-opens-audit-of-chinese-port-operator-amid-trump-s-threats
You really are just really stupid, aren't you. Because anyone with a brain would have not made this retarded claim. But your TDS is too far gone to let you write anything intelligent WRT Trump.
David, your glitch is showing. If you could actually read, you might try looking up a little bit, where I wrote
"Only Trump's claim, which I admit is not sufficient proof."
Unlike the TDS addled retards, I do not orbit my world, my thoughts, or my values around Trump.
Now, if you wanted to try to be "clever", you could say I have "CDS", "Communist Derangement Syndrome", because I thing that expansionist and racist gov'ts pushing an ideology that's murdered over 100 million people in the last 100 years, and still going strong, is a evil monstrosity that should be treated as such.
But my response would be that hatred of Communism, and wanting to stop it from gaining power, is the only sane and decent position.
And I'd be right.
So do you want to try with an actual argument, that works in the world we live in, the one where the CCP passed a law saying that every single Chinese company, without exception, must be a tool of the CCP, the PLA, and whatever the hell it is they call their intelligence services?
Because in that world, giving ANY Chinese company a contract to control something is the same things as giving that control to the CCP.
And that makes it not neutral.
No, that doesn't make it "not neutral," whatever you mean by that. What the treaty in question says is that the canal must be open to shipping from all nations on an equal, non-discriminatory basis. A Chinese company operating a port — not even the canal itself (!) — is not in violation of that.
And even if there were a violation — if somehow the canal were closed to American shipping, which has not occurred — nothing in the treaty authorizes the U.S. to re-seize the canal in response. Only to use force to reopen it.
Giving control over the Panama Canal, in any part, to our foreign adversary China means that if the US needs the Panama Canal to confront China, our ships will be blocked.
A complete f*cking moron might say "until that day comes, everything is good".
Anyone else says "if you give the CCP power over the Canal, you're violating the treaty, and we're taking it back."
It does not in fact mean that, and in any case, "it could someday be blocked" is not in fact the definition of non-neutral.
So you are the complete f'ing moron I think you are.
Capabilities are what matter. Giving the CCP the capability to shut down the Canal is a violation of the Treaty
Oh, and Panama has now announced they won't be renewing their participation in China's "Belt and Road Initiative", because while they are corrupt, they aren't as stupid as David is claiming to be
It's a violation of the treaty to let it be "not neutral".
If you can violate the treaty, then so can we.
If Panama wants to keep the Canal, they damn well better give the Chinese the boot
Professor Somin is a bullshitter on point #1 of his post.
He refuses to confront or acknowledge the fact that 50 U.S.C. §21 is an effective delegation/authorization, from Congress, for the President to proclaim a state of invasion (even if Congress and not the Executive held such authority), and that such an authorized proclamation may, under the Judicial precedent he cites, limit the scope of birthright citizenship.
This point has been made to him numerous times.
He is not a serious person when it comes to this issue.
None of the governments of the immigrants is at war with the US, as is required by the law you cited. And naturalized citizens are exempt. Another example of MAGAs making shit up.
They don't HAVE to be a war.
So is your problem that you just can't read?
Or that you're a dishonest PoS?
From the post:
or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government."
We've had an invasion of Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang members.
Those gang members aren't a foreign nation or government. But even if they were, the scope of the powers under the statute would be limited to those gang members, not to the vast majority of those unlawfully present.
1: Trump claims the gang members were sent here to invade the US by the gov't of Venezuelan. If the claim is true, that would meet the requirements listed.
2: SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.
Not limited to the gang members
If Trump's claims about the Venezuelan government is true (it almost certainly is false), then it covers unauthorized people from Venezuela.
You Honduran and other examples are pathetically unpersuasive. Not a whiff of an invasion.
3: Honduras IIRC has mounted a hostile invasion of the US. We know this because the female head of State threatened to terminate some US basing rights if Trump tried to return the illegals to her country.
4: I would generalize that to ANY country that's helped its people come to the US illegally has mounted an invasion of the US
So that takes care of pretty much every illegal alien from Mexico, Central America, and / or South America
5: I Canada invading the US by not doing anything to keep people from illegally crossing our border, and refusing to do anything even at the cost of 25% tariffs? I'd be happy to make that case, too
Yes, but you're retarded. Not controlling people coming into the country is literally the opposite of an invasion.
Telling people to enter America in violation of America's laws is the definition of an "invasion", you pitiful baboon.
Fighting to keep the US from expelling the invaders is support for the invasion
So David, are you a moron, and ignoramus, or just a pitiful case of TDS?
In times of war, to get the protection of being a "neutral" you have to control your border, and prevent combatants from using your territory to wage war.
Because if they wage war from your territory, the other side gets to attack you and your territory.
Now, someone with a functioning brain would map that to "sovereign countries have a duty to keep people in their country from illegally invading other countries." Esp when it comes to "keeping their mutual border as sucure as the other side does"
50 U.S.C. § 21 is a statute. Statutes do not override the constitution. HTH.
OK let's put aside the legal stuff about birthright citizenship. Riddle us this, Reason: How is not it fundamentally a stupid idea? You are on the south side of the Rio Grande. You waddle over and a baby plops out. Presto.. a new citizen! This SHOULD be our immigration policy? Eh, how about: hell no! Make a case why your interpretation of the 14th makes any sense on policy grounds. Else let's get busy repealing it, no? Just listen to the open borders crowd. They NEVER make a coherent policy case for anchor babies. Just hide behind some legal verbage.
Then amend the constitution accordingly not by
divineExecutive fiat.Duh, read the comment. I already said forget the technicalities. (though the 14th amemendment was not written to ensure anchor babies. But for the 3rd time let that go).
Can you or Reason defend the policy substance of having a baby plop out of you at a certain coordinate and calling it a citizen?
If you can't will you vote for a change?
Duh, read the context. Trump wants to change it by executive fiat. How rare is the instance you're citing compared to all the other cases?
Can you defend the morality of calling a baby an "it" because you don't like the baby's skin color?
As for the policy substance: first, I think the onus should be on the person suggesting we abandon 300+ years of foundational principle. Chesterton's Fence yet again. But yes, I think it's easy to see why having a permanent, generational class of stateless non-citizen residents in some amorphous status (the kids can't be illegal immigrants, since they didn't immigrate) is a bad idea.
It's easy to stack the deck by picking a specific scenario: someone comes here, has a baby, and we catch them the next day. What would be the harm in declaring them non-citizens and sending them 'back'? (Aside, obviously, from the fact that there's no 'back' to send the child?) But we can't have a policy that applies only to people caught the day after they're born. So where would the line be drawn? What about someone who is identified at age 5? Or 10? Or 30? What about their kids?
Surprise, judges just make it up as they wish so none of it has to make sense or be consistent. Contradiction? Blatantly unconstitutional or illegal? Just opinions that vary from one political leaning to another. Law is dead.
Trump's EO on birthright citizenship requires both parents to be either citizens or green card holders. We will get a lawsuit as soon as child is denied documentation given to citizens.
Yes, it will be challenged, but today's birthright citizenship is pretty crazy, and never endorsed by Scotus. Maybe Trump will show that an alternative is workable.
It was endorsed by SCOTUS, and has been the law of the land for 300+ years, with a brief hiccup caused by racist Roger Taney.
"Trump's EO on birthright citizenship requires both parents to be either citizens or green card holders."
What exactly were you thinking, by linking to the EO and misstating what it says, in the very same sentence?
"Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth."
"Nothing in this order shall be construed to affect the entitlement of other individuals, including children of lawful permanent residents, to obtain documentation of their United States citizenship."
So, clearly under this EO, if the father is either a green card holder or citizen, and the kid is born in the US, that's enough to get citizenship, regardless of the status of the mother.
Now, I happen to think this policy is ill thought out, in the way it treats male and female parents differently. Under it, if the child's mother is a citizen, and the father is an illegal alien, the kid doesn't get citizenship. That's pretty obnoxious, given that the inverse setup is considered fine.
But it's still the case that you misstated the EO.
Yes, I got that wrong. At least one parent must be a citizen or a green card holder.
I've heard the argument that "subject to the jurisdiction" means the child has no allegiance to a foreign country. It seems that argument required both parents to be citizens. What's the argument for allowing green-card holders and permitting only one parent to meet the requirements?
I think you my be misreading that a little. Since another EO was signed stating that we no longer have to pretend that men can get pregnant, men and women will obviously get treated differently since, as far as this EO is concerned, women must be in county and while men can be anywhere.
Both 1 & 2 deal with kids being born on US territory to permanent residents or citizens and exclude births when neither of the parents fit that bill. The way I read it is that if neither the Mommy or Daddy are lawful permanent residents or citizens = No USA baby
Bogus circular legalities aside, please explain why you want illegal aliens in the country at all. The claim that they pay taxes is irrelevant, because legal Americans doing those jobs would pay the same taxes. So what other 'benefits' do they bring, except disease, crime, and votes for Democrats?
>There is no sudden crisis at the border
Classic 'reason' strawman. There is no "sudden" crisis because it's been going on since Dementia Joe LOL 80 Million took office. Note that I didn't say he was elected.
I'm late to the party here, but...
Yes, trying to executive order against birthright citizenship is ridiculous.
What's not ridiculous is declaring national emergencies. Like or not, there is a law for that. Complaining about a declaration being "illegal", because you don't like the proposed action, is embarrassing. Especially because there are dozens (if not more) of current emergencies declared, including about things which are not "sudden".
Just like with presidential tariff authority, your beef is with Congress giving away its authority, not the president.
True, the 14thA can't be changed by EO. But an EO can tee up the issue for an eventual SCOTUS ruling.
So, there is no remedy for Panamanian breach of the treaty???? If they are in breach, then the treaty is void.
Panama is not in breach, there is a remedy, and that's not how a treaty works anyway.
Some thoughts:
1: There were tourists in the US in the 1860s and 1870s, who came and often stayed for a considerable time. Therefore the idea of tourists having babies here was available to the people ratifying the 14th, and the reality must have happened during the 70s and 80s
2: So, did any supporters of the birthright citizenship section state during argument that "yes, the babies of those tourists will be American citizens under our amendment"? Supporters only, not opponents, not people asking question or raising potential issues? Yes would be dispositive. No is rather dispositive the other way.
3: Did any children born to tourists in the US 1868 - 1890 get a US passport, or other proof of US citizenship? If yes, then the 14th covers people here on temp visas.
If not? You're going to find it hard to make an originalist case in favor of birthright citizenship for anyone here NOT on a green card, be they on a visa, or flat out illegal
Oh look, my question is answered, and it's not the way you losers want
https://x.com/AmySwearer/status/1882135796523860275
As just a few examples, in 1885 Secretary of State Thomas Bayard instructed federal officials not to consider a U.S.-born man to be a U.S. citizen because his German parents were never permanent U.S. residents and returned with the child to Germany when he was two years old. He was therefore, at the time of his birth, “subject to a foreign power” and not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”
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In 1890, the Secretary of the Treasury issued an opinion denying citizenship for the child of a would-be immigrant who'd not yet "landed" but was being held on a ship in New York Harbor while awaiting immigration approval. The mother had been allowed to give birth and receive treatment at a New York hospital. Nonetheless, they were both deported as non-citizens, and the case was distinguished from that of an immigrant mother who'd "resided in this country a considerable time before her child was born."
You should lose
Haven't read it yet, but thought I'd offer it
https://static.heritage.org/legal-and-judicial/birthright-citizenship/Law%20Review%20Final%20Print.pdf
Oy vey! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!
It seems to me that the paper is trying to say that the plain text doesn't mean what it says.
But then, it says that the plain text doesn't mean what it says because people contemporaneous to the 14th amendment were worried about including Native Americans that maybe shouldn't have been included.
It was TL/DR as far a reading the whole thing, but I didn't see a single part of what I read was persuasive to the argument that children born in the U.S. of parents who are here illegally are somehow not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."
It's ridiculous nonsense to claim that people who are here illegally precisely because they're *running* from the awful countries in which they were born somehow have a dual allegiance to those very same countries.
The text of the 14th Amendment is clear. There's nothing that I read in this paper that indicates that the writers of the 14th Amendment clearly intended for the children born in the U.S., to people who snuck into this country, not to be U.S. citizens.