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More on "Invasion," the Alien Enemies Act, and the Political Question Doctrine
Legal scholar Michael Ramsey points out another way courts could reject Trump's plan to use the act as a tool for peacetime mass deportation.

In a previous post, I argued that Donald Trump's plan to use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 as a tool for peacetime mass deportation is illegal, but also noted that courts might nonetheless refuse to invalidate the plan, because they might (wrongly) conclude that the issue is a "political question" that judges are not allowed to consider. The Alien Enemies Act gives the president the power to detain and deport migrants when there "is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government." In that event, the president can detain or remove "all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized."
In a post at the Originalism Blog, Michael Ramsey - a leading scholar of constitutional foreign affairs law - largely agrees with my analysis. But he suggests the political question issue is more easily resolved than I thought:
I think the analysis can be more simple. The question, in my view, isn't whether there is an invasion (which indeed might be a political question, even under the original concept of political questions), but whether it -- whatever it is -- is "perpetrated … by any foreign nation or government." Since that's clearly not the case, for the reasons Professor Somin says, a court would simply be called on to enforce the statute as written, which is comfortably within the judicial power.
Focusing on the words "foreign nation or government" could indeed be an alternative way to reject the argument that the issue here is a political question. Prof. Ramsey is absolutely right about that. But I worry that, if courts rule that the definition of "invasion" is a political question, they could say the same thing about the issues of whether the perpetrator of supposed invasion qualifies as a "nation or government" and whether that entity was in fact the true perpetrator.
The political question doctrine is, as I have previously argued, an incoherent mess; Michael Ramsey is no fan of it either. But, precisely because of the doctrine's vagueness and incoherence, judges have a lot of discretion on how to apply it. A court wishing to use the doctrine to avoid the issues raised by the use of the Alien Enemies Act as a tool of peacetime deportation might well be able to find a way to do so. Such a ruling would be a grave error, but not one completely barred by current precedent.
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The problem, of course, is that mass illegal immigration is happening with the cooperation of foreign governments, especially Mexico. So to a large extent requiring that the invasion be on the part of a government doesn't actually give you the win.
Let's say that Republicans win Congress and the Presidency a month from now. Do you seriously believe that, if Congress declares that there's an invasion, the courts are going to dispute it? Say, "No, that's not an invasion, because we say it isn't!"?
You know that's not going to happen. Maybe Presidents can't declare war, but Congress certainly can.
I'll make a note of this argument the next time you complain about the commerce clause, or the Slaughterhouse Cases, or the Second Amendment's meaning.
Exactly. The same guy who reads every single power granted to the government by the constitution as narrowly as possible, and every single limitation on the government as broadly as possible, and who assumes every single thing a politician says as bad faith, is suddenly wanting to turn the word "invasion" into "absolutely anything the government says it is."
No, I'm predicting how the judiciary would rule.
Do YOU think the courts are likely to say, "No, there's no invasion" if Congress has declared that there is?
The Constitution, in another section, authorizes the suspension of habeas corpus for anyone, including native born US citizens in case of “invasion”. Suspension of habeas corpus in turn effectively authorizes suspension of all legal process, indefinite detention without trial, etc., for native born US citizens.
Do you think that mass illegal immigration at the levels happening now gives the president, or Congress, the power to detain native born US citizens and deny them all access to courts?
If not (and I hope not), what’s your reasoning for why “invasion” has a different meaning in the Alien and Sedition Act than in the Constitution?
If yes, how many immigrants crossing the border allows the president to suspend habeas corpus for US citizens Just an order of magnitude….one per year, a thousand per year, a million per year?
If you're troubled by the implications of invasion and habeas corpus, take it up with the invaders. They have agency, they could do anything with their lives, and their choice has been to invade America. The invasion authorizes suspension, but does not require it. As a political matter, it should not be suspended as to citizens and legal immigrants. Also as a political matter, it should be suspended as to invaders.
So just to be clear: You claim to believe, under current conditions, that your right to habeas corpus is no longer a constitutional right, but merely a "political matter" to be decided at discretion by President Joe Biden and his handlers.
I don't necessarily like that constitutional rule, but that's what the Constitution says. I would hope we limit this to the invaders. What do you propose we do if China lands mechanized infantry on our shores, respect their right to habeas corpus?
I'm not irate at Biden about this, I'm irate at the invaders that are forcing us to make these kinds of choices.
It is not a choice we are being forced to make. It is one of many related choices you decide you must make, for reasons of your own.
And your employment of the non-sequitur, China lands mechanized infantry on our shores, as the example purportedly supporting your argument, is one of the reasons none of the rest of us need to consider your choices credible.
Native American citizens are being disrupted by the invasion, and drastic action needs to be taken.
When political leaders say there’s an emergency requiring curtailment of civil liberties, then there really is an emergency: those leaders need to be denied (or removed from) power.
Fortunately, Trump isn’t really saying that, only some of his nastier worshippers like yourself. The power to suspend habeas corpus for citizens follows logically from the invasion legal argument, but Trump’s an idiot who doesn’t consider, much less intend, the consequences of the crap he says to get people like you riled up.
To be clear, when Schlafly the Least uses the term "Native American," he means "white." And by "disrupted," he means "have to be around non-white people." And by "needs" he means, "I like when non-white people suffer."
Dude, Congress opening their cowardly yapper from their supine position would end so many of these issues, from political questions (they are the political-est branch) to major questions doctrine to emergency power abuse.
That's not an open-ended grant of constitutionality, of course. But it ends all these, which are somewhat weasely, and a result of them deliberately not clearing things up.
What Krayt said. You're insane if you think Congress is going to "declare an invasion" if it can't even pass a border bill.
Congress does not pass a border bill because it is controlled by Democrats who favor the invasion. The only hope is to elect Republicans who want to do something.
Haha snort, you need to lay off the ganja, your short-term memory is shot.
No, plenty of Republicans are complicit, too. My own Senator, Lindsey "Gramnesty", for instance.
Let's not kid ourselves here. "Declaring an invasion" means deploying the military to the border to use lethal force. You don't "repel an invasion" with handcuffs and pepper spray. And the moment that the world sees the US military gunning down penniless Guatemalans in the desert, your team will lose the next 30 years of elections. Maybe that's why your team hasn't "declared an invasion", because they don't want to be thrown out of office as a bunch of baby killers.
"Maybe Presidents can’t declare war, but Congress certainly can."
I think this is the problem. Congress has effectively delegated this. It wouldn't take much for Trump to dust off a GWOT declaration or somesuch.
The problem is, of course, that "another country is letting it happen," even if true, does not turn it into an invasion. It wouldn't matter if the Mexican government were formally smuggling migrants into the U.S.; that still wouldn't make those people Mexican troops. (To be sure, that hypothetical would give us a legitimate grievance against Mexico — maybe even a casus belli. But that wouldn't make it an invasion by the migrants, any more than the Mexican government causing industrial waste to be dumped in the U.S. would.)
Even "letting it happen" is questionable. The most you could say is that they aren't controlling inflow on their own southern border with Guatemala any better than we're controlling our own.
Non-totalitarian countries don't use fences and troops to *keep people in*. Mexico has zero obligation to arrest people trying to leave, regardless of whether it's northward or southward.
Uh, no. The political question is not so easily avoided. In the same way that an invasion is a political question, whether the invasion is “perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government” is also a political question. In fact, this quintessentially involves foreign policy and diplomacy and has an even stronger claim to being called a political question. With all due respect, Michael Ramsey’s reasoning is flawed. Just spit balling but is he on record as essentially being opposed to President Trump’s foreign policy?
Do what Argentina did -- put them in cargo airplanes and dump them a hundred miles out to sea.
Argentina did not, of course, do any such thing to immigrants. This may be a Dr-Ed-Dimly¹-Remembers-Something-Incorrectly reference to the Dirty War, in which the fascist military junta ruling Argentina committed mass crimes against humanity by dumping political dissidents out of airplanes. (That suggestion is, of course, coming from the same person who thinks that prosecuting Donald Trump in a court of law with the full panoply of due process for his undeniable crimes is a "lynching.")
¹Emphasis very much on "dim."
I did have this very thought when reading your rambling prior post (no nation-state actor behind it), but got distracted by all your other preening in defense once again of your implicit notion that any border restrictions are somehow unconstitutional.
Then I read Ramsey's post at the Originalism blog and thought ah ha, it's not just me then. Somin made it way more complicated then it needed to be, to further (de)bunk the invasion idea.
Oh, sure, let's have a little bit of fun with the wordplay and lawyering.
So, the phrasing I see Trump often use is "Migrant Criminal Network" for those who are to be deported. But, the Alien Enemies act requires an invasion or predatory incursion by a foreign nation or government.
Question is, what is a "predatory incursion" by a foreign "government"? Does that government need to be a "National" government? Could it be a foreign state government? Or a foreign local government? The legal dictionary defines a "Government" as "the body, entity, invested with the power to manage a political unit, organization or more often, a State." But...not necessarily a State. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/government
Organization is an interesting word. That's how you can get things like "Student government." What else is an organization though? Perhaps a criminal organization? If that criminal organization had people in charge of it, wouldn't they be "the people invested with the power to manage" the criminal organization? ie the "government" of the organization? And certainly a foreign criminal network could engage in a "predatory incursion" into the United States.
So, if Trump was to highlight certain foreign criminal governments as engaging in a predatory incursion into the United States, certainly the members of that network could be deported.
If we're having fun with the words and all.
I think your reading is not implausible. Of course, if (for example only) a drug gang local to Baja has people smuggling drugs (people, guns, whatevs) into the United States, then perhaps at some point, the President is authorized to use her powers to deport gang members who hail from that state in Mexico. And perhaps also Baja people who are tangentially related to the drug trade. Or, maybe even all people from Baja who are in the US (aside from the obvious exceptions like now-naturalized citizens).
Or, the local Baja govt explicitly encourages its residents to cross over the border for whatever reason(s). If enough people listened, and acted upon this advice; maybe it would qualify.
But, as you suggest, this president would not be permitted to also get rid of Mexicans from Jalisco, or Oaxaca, or any of the other 28 states in Mexico. And certainly not people from Central America or South America.
So, I think there would have to be some heavy lifting to meet the initial threshold that illegal crossings were organized enough to meet the necessary definition. And, even if you assume you'd win in court, you're likely talking about only a small fraction of your target population.
Why would we need the Alien Enemies Act to deport everyone here illegally? We could just use the laws on the books - if we wanted to.
His rhetoric has foreign governments deliberately emptying prisons and sending them all here. Presumably that is backfill justification to claim it's foreign government action, hence this old law could apply.
There's not a lot of question that Mexico, at least, is facilitating travel between its own Southern and Northern borders by people who lack visas. For a while they were closing their Southern border to illegal immigrants, until Biden came along and stopped pressuring them to stop the flow.
Are we being “originalists”? If so, we have to admit that some of the Framers were “migrants”. Examples: Alexander Hamilton, James Wilson, Robert Morris, William Richardson, William Paterson, James McHenry, Pierce Butler, Thomas Fitzsimons. None of whom came here with "papers".
They all complied with naturalization requirements. They did not bypass authorities, and make bogus asylum claims.
Why do stupid anti-immigrant people confuse immigration and naturalization all the time?
Weren't these men all born in the British empire, then moved to the British colonies in the Americas? They weren't migrants any more than someone moving to California after being born in New York.
Am I the only one who remembers when Carter deported Iranians when our embassy was invaded and people held hostage? And they were legal aliens mostly on student visas. If Carter could do that then Trump could start a mass deportation of illegals, especially the criminal gang members and those unable to support themselves. Stop the hand wringing and get them out!
Problem for your team is, if you try to “kick them out” using ordinary police powers, then there are these things called “due process” and “rights” that even the dirty filthy illegals are entitled to. And the treasonous radical-left “enemy from within” Soros-funded left-wing activists (and also perhaps a few libertarians) know all the tricks to manipulate the courts and due process and to slow the whole thing down. That is why Patriot Trump needs extra tools to suspend those rights and due process, and kick the invading illegal scum out as fast as possible. Hence the need to use a 1798 law that was intended to be used against military conquest. Just redefine migration as “invasion” and problem solved, use the military to knock a few heads and send them packing.