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Special Counsel Jack Smith Files Revised Trump Indictment in Election Subversion Case
The revised indicment is intended to address the Supreme Court's presidential immunity ruling in Trump v. United States.

Yesterday special counsel Jack Smith filed a revised, superseding indictment in the federal criminal case against Donald Trump for his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. The revised indictment attempts to address the Supreme Court's flawed decision in Trump v. United States, which ruled that presidents have broad immunity against criminal prosecution for "official acts," but was far from clear about exactly how far that immunity extends. On an e-mail list that we are both members of, Princeton legal scholar Kim Lane Scheppele posted a helpful summary of how the revised indictment differs from the original one, which she has kindly agreed to allow me to reprint here:
- Complying with the SCOTUS immunity decision, Smith seems to have scrubbed all "official conduct" evidence from the case and presented it again before a new grand jury, which brought forth this indictment. That move makes it more difficult for the Trump legal team to claim that the case should be dismissed because the evidence presented to the grand jury was tainted. They've clean-teamed this all the way down.
- The indictment charges the same four crimes as before.
- But the indictment leaves out Jeffrey Clark as an unindicted coconspirator given what SCOTUS said about absolute immunity of the president in his conversations with the Justice Department.
- The indictment emphasizes that the other unindicted coconspirators are all PRIVATE citizens working on the campaign or as consultants. And it makes clear that the various other actors implicated and whose testimony will be called upon at trial are NOT talking with Trump in the scope of his duties as president.
- Crucial elements of the case are now attributed to CANDIDATE Donald Trump and Candidate Mike Pence so that it is clear that they are not interacting as president and vice president in the relevant conversations.
The Just Security analysis by Norm Eisen, Matt Seligman and Joshua Kolb had flagged which parts of the indictment they thought would stand and which would not – and that analysis was pretty spot-on – see https://www.justsecurity.org/98457/immunity-january-6th-chutkan/ and https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/united-states-v.-trump-dC-%E2%80%93-annotated-j6-eisen-seligman-kolb.pdf
For a line by line comparison of the new indictment and the original, see Allison Gill's post here. Lawfare and Jacob Sullum of Reason have also posted helpful analyses of the superseding indictment.
Will the superseding indictment survive inevitable immunity-based challenges? I think Smith makes a good case that the crimes Trump is charged with are private acts, not official ones, and that - even if official acts cannot be used as evidence (as the Supreme Court wrongly ruled), there is enough evidence against Trump to convict on all or most of the charges. Justice Amy Coney Barrett's concurring opinion in the Supreme Court decision provides additional analysis on why Trump's conduct here was private, not official (though it is notable that none of the other majority justices joined her). I also continue to believe that Trump is likely guilty on these charges and, if convicted, deserves severe punishment for reasons of both retribution and deterrence.
But the Supreme Court ruling is far from a model of clarity on several key points relevant to the case. Among other things, the line between private acts and official ones is a nebulous one. And when it comes to official acts outside the president's "core powers," it's not clear whether there is a mere presumption of immunity (which can potentially be overcome), or whether the immunity is absolute. The line between core powers and other official acts is also often unclear. Thus, it's hard to predict what will happen here, when the issues are reviewed by the trial judge, the DC Circuit and - potentially - the Supreme Court.
The one thing that is clear is that the issues are unlikely to be fully resolved before the election on November 5. If Trump wins, he will almost certainly find a way to get the charges dismissed after he takes office. If he loses, the case against him (or at least part of it) will proceed, unless courts rule that all the charges are barred by immunity. The latter scenario strikes me as unlikely, but not completely impossible.
Again, the Supreme Court's decision is vague on key points, and different judges are likely to interpret it differently. If the case returns to the Supreme Court, we may even find that the majority justices disagree among themselves on some of these questions. The ambiguities in the ruling may be a way to paper over these differences, at least for the time being. We may learn more about what the justices think on these issues, as this legal battle continues.
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Has the MAGA cult been given its talking points yet regarding the superseding indictment?
Are you still of the opinion that the trial can proceed without an interlocutory appeal once the judge rules on what part of the indictment remains?
No, I am not. The superseding indictment contains a different set of averments from the original indictment. The earlier ruling by SCOTUS that the old indictment included acts for which Donald Trump is not immune was the law of the case upon remand, but the superseding indictment changes that framework.
If and to the extent Judge Chutkan determines that Trump is not immune from prosecution under the current set of charges, interlocutory review should be available in the Court of Appeals.
Do you think Smith made a mistake by seeking a new indictment? Would it have been better to let Chutkan rule on the elements of the old indictment under the assumption such a ruling would not have been subject to interlocutory review (noting the possibility, but not certainty, that Chutkan could have held a new indcitment was required).
I think that Jack Smith (who knows a thing or two about holding tyrants accountable) made the correct decision to seek a superseding indictment from a new grand jury. The problematic content of the original indictment has now been removed -- which would have been the result of any hearing on the old indictment. That hearing would have been subject to appellate review, whether pretrial or posttrial.
It is cleaner and simpler to proceed on the superseding indictment, including review of the immunity issues in the first instance by the District Court and then on interlocutory review by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Keep in mind that Blassingame v. Trump, 87 F.4th 1 (D.C. Cir. 2023), is controlling precedent for both of those courts.
The superseding indictment also appears to have been drafted with Fischer v. United States in mind. It emphasizes how central the fake elector slates were to Trump’s conspiratorial scheme, illustrating how Trump and his confederates violated 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2) and 1512(k) by creating false evidence and transmitting it to Congress.
Holds tyrants like Bob McDonnell accountable.
You have obviously
I'm surprised you haven't written a puffed up essay about how brilliant and pure the legal theory is and how it's for sure gonna get Trump this time. And how you're just calling balls and strikes without your thumb on the scale in either direction.
lol
Based on repetitive comments on social media, I believe it has. Obviously one line of attack is simply the same as before: lawfare, persecution, political opponent, election interference, yada yada yada. They also throw on the "Smith was illegally appointed." But the talking point specific to the new indictment is that SCOTUS granted Trump immunity and therefore Smith is defying the Court by trying to continue with the case.
Not putting any effort into even reading it.
Nothing can happen until after the election because any rulings on presumtive immunity are immediately appealable.
If Trump wins the election its all moot.
If Trump loses the election, well I never liked losers anyway. I think Trump would understand.
Private citizen Jack Smith is wrongfully wielding the power of the Executive Branch.
About 50 years of precedent disagrees with you, and suggests that you're an ignorant moron.
About 50 years of precedent said it was OK to kill unborn humans, until it didn't, suggesting you're an ignorant moron
Isn't "ignorant moron" redundant?
No. "Ignorant" refers to being uninformed. A "moron" is lacking in native intelligence. The two are distinct concepts, which may or may not overlap.
The Justice System as already ruled in a way that doesn't support your position.
Scalia's dissent in Morrison (1988) might weigh more heavily with this court than the majority opinion.
Chevron was 1984, that didn't save it.
Morrison dealt with the independent counsel statute, which is no longer in effect. This is a subordinate officer appointed by the Attorney General, not an independent officer appointed by the courts as the previous statute did.
A basic problem with the majority opinion in Trump v. U.S. is its lack of clarity. If they were (wrongly) going to take the case after the lower court carefully decided the matter (the panel crossing ideological lines), and then taking their sweet time (wrongly) to decide it, they should have done a better job.
The opinion left open some sort of prosecution but left the details unclear. All this does is cause more delay while giving themselves a lot of power. The case for court reform continues.
Scotus says that the President can talk to his VP, and the conversation is immune. Smith tries to get around this by saying that Trump was acting in his capacity as candidate, and Pence in his capacity as President of the Senate. And these capacities are legally distinct. Seems like dubious legal hair-splitting to me, but I am no expert on this.
SCOTUS held that Trump’s interactions with Pence were presumptively immune, with the burden on the prosecution to show otherwise. Smith leans on Pence’s role as President of the Senate because SCOTUS said:
IOW, hair splitting.
I'm not following your argument.
The thug Smith I guess intends to overcome President Trump’s immunity by simply pretending he wasn’t the president. I can see this working on hacks like Chutkan and the DC circuit judges. At the Supreme Court? Probably not so much, if it ever goes that far.
The President has no role in counting the electoral votes. In fact the Constitution does not give him authority over the Vice President in any situation. IOW Trump was acting in the role of candidate.
SCOTUS ruled out Trump's interactions with Pence as being unofficial. However, arguing Trump was acting as a candidate might help make the case that those interactions would not "pose any dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch."
Trump as President was acting outside his authority in trying to strongarm Pence. It just shows how “outside the box” the Court’s holding was. Though I suppose if one assumes Trump was acting as a candidate, holding him liable would not affect the future of any President to strongarm other people over whom he has no Constitutional authority. He could, I suppose, coerce a Speaker of the House into refusing to allow any bills to reach the floor, so that the House no longer exists as a legislative body. “Official” acts under the Court’s ruling, with immunity.
Also I want to note Ilya’s statement, “If Trump wins, he will almost certainly find a way to get the charges dismissed after he takes office.” The obstruction of justice that forced Nixon to resign now seems to be taken as a matter of course if Trump does it.
Most of the conduct as to which the House Judiciary Committee recommended impeachment of Richard Nixon would today be exempt from criminal prosecution under the Trump decision. https://d1lexza0zk46za.cloudfront.net/history/am-docs/nixon-impeachment.pdf
Indeed.
In fact — because all of Nixon’s misdeeds involved his interactions with Executive Branch personnel, he would be “absolutely immune” from criminal liability for all of them. He still might have been impeached and convicted, removed from office, but Ford would not have had to give him a pardon, because there would have been nothing to grant him immunity from.
History books will eventually regard Nixon as entirely innocent and acting within his authority, just like Andrew Johnson. I think everyone now agrees that he was wrongly impeached.
Holy Fucking Shit!
The only proper reply.
One other possible reply: Roger S is Roger Stone!
He resigned before he could be impeached
Trump as President was acting outside his authority in trying to strongarm Pence.
Strongarming public officials is not a crime.
Strongarming them to do something illegal is.
What was this illegal thing?
Refusing to count validly cast electoral votes, and using knowingly fraudulent ones instead.
Did he forge fraudulent votes?
In some states, electors falsely claimed to be certified, which was part of the conspiracy to defraud. But even if there wasn't an element of counting fraudelnt electors, it suffices that Trump strongarmed Pence to not count valid votes in the hope of throwing the election to Congress.
"Did he forge fraudulent votes?"
Donald Trump is culpable for the fake electors' creation and submission of fraudulent electoral slates pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 2:
If you mean, did he personally pick up the pen, no. He merely conspired to cause it to happen.
"But even if there wasn’t an element of counting fraudelnt electors, it suffices that Trump strongarmed Pence to not count valid votes in the hope of throwing the election to Congress."
What exactly does "strongarmed" mean in this case? In law, "strong arming" requires force or intimidation.
Did Trump threaten to beat Pence up if he didn't follow the scheme?
Or maybe fire Pence? Oh, wait! Confirming the election meant that Pence was also unemployed.
Of course, they weren’t validly certified electoral votes. I’m the disputed cases, the electoral votes were certified in spite of significant evidence of election fraud. And over the last 4 years, the evidence has continued to accumulate. In several of the states (esp GA and AZ), thanks to legislative investigations, it’s overwhelming.
In any case, alternate slates of electors have routinely been selected. In this case, several of them were certified by the state legislatures, when their Secretary of State illegally certified the election of the Biden/Harris electors (typically by ignoring election fraud, often on their own part (eg Katy Hobbs in AZ).
I guess hanging is kind of like beating up.
There has been not one shred of evidence of any fraud of any sort, liar. And even if there were, that does not affect the validity of the certification.
Lie. The 1876 election was considered a debacle, and cannot be considered "routine" in any case. Oh, and you can cite Hawaii in 1960, where the election was actually in dispute — there was an ongoing recount, which ultimately changed the outcome — and nobody really cared because Hawaii's vote didn't change the outcome of the overall election. And the alternate electors didn't try to trick Congress into counting them; the governor certified that these were the correct electors.
Lie. None of them were.
Strongarmed is too strong a word. Solicited conduct in furtherance of a conspiracy to commit fraud will do.
Captcrisis -- ever read Article 2, Section 3, Clause 5 of the US Constitution?
Not relevant.
They purposely left it all murky. If republicans are going to be able to exercise effective minority rule with any force, then they are, as J.D. Vance has said ,“going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
The scotus decision is an effort in making conservatives more comfortable with getting pretty wild, such as having a president that routinely breaks the law, in ways not common in recent history.
Calvinball is a Conservative tradition much older than the name.
Sort of in the tradition of Clinton demonstrating the folly of the line-item veto, I would be incredibly amused if Biden goes out taking them up on the offer of review in some suitably showy way. (I am not suggesting assassination, even though that appears to be kosher with them if they like your party designation.)
The explanation is that the Supreme Court is a court of final review, not first view.
The DC Circuit categorically rejected all claims of presidential immunity. Under the DC Circuit's rationale, a prosecutor could argue that the president pardoning someone could be obstruction of justice.
The way I read them, the original and the revised indictments seem functionally similar; however, they tend to differ mostly in how they characterize Trump and how he was/wasn't acting in an official capacity. I have a couple of questions:
1. Could the defense use the original indictment as a defense? Basically, to say that the prosecution doesn't really believe they statements they are selling (that he was acting in his own interest) and that they really believe several of the charges were being done in an official capacity.
2. Could Trump's team (or the DOJ) go after the prosecution for misleading the court by making the argument that they put forth their real reasoning and are now lying as to what they believe in order to do an end around the SCOTUS ruling?
I guess Trump's lawyers can argue they think the prosecution agrees with the defense and these acts are official. I can't imagine that being anywhere close to persuasive without strong evidence, and I don't see why the new indictment provides that evidence.
If only there were a supreme court case that recognized a presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution for a President’s acts within the outer perimeter of his official responsibility.
If only your comment was not a non sequitur.
I know you're trying to be clever with the obnoxious insult/response.
Don't. It's not you. The thug Smith must overcome a presumption of immunity, to the extent there isn't any absolute immunity. Your comment above suggests that President Trump must make an argument for immunity, in effect reversing the burdens here.
To the contrary, my comment even further above recognizes the burden is on Smith to overcome a presumption of immunity for official acts.
In contrast, ReaderY commented on distinguishing official acts from unofficial acts. Hence, your comment is a non sequitur.
Your comment even further above? WTF? This site makes TikTok look like a brain trust.
This comment.
Sorry clown, I’ll decide which one of your legally flawed comments to respond to. If you want to respond to your own bs, feel free.
Remember, bots are not programmed to, and are not capable of, reading and understanding the things to which they reply. All they do is look for key words and then spit out other words statistically related to those key words.
What this exchange did not need, what actually no one needs, is the input of a deranged clown who thinks the country would benefit from the assassination of President Trump. And this particular shithead lunatic has developed some creepy obsession with me for some reason. I can only hope over time the shithead will get a new insane crush on someone else.
"Could the defense use the original indictment as a defense? Basically, to say that the prosecution doesn’t really believe they statements they are selling (that he was acting in his own interest) and that they really believe several of the charges were being done in an official capacity."
No. As juries are routinely instructed, an indictment is not evidence. The content thereof is not admissible. Moreover, what a prosecutor subjectively believes is immaterial.
Thanks. Kind of figured something like that, but wasn't sure.
Still, that would be my argument publicly if I was on Team Trump.
Team Trump, maybe. Trump himself will argue that everyone who goes after him is corrupt, blah, blah, blah.
They have history to back them up.
https://reason.com/2023/05/16/for-6-5-million-durham-report-finds-fbi-didnt-have-solid-dirt-on-trump-and-russia/
There's something mighty fishy about the underlying action remaining the same, but changing the indictment makes it a different "crime".
Ritual over justice. Same Stupid Government Trick.
It's the same crimes. But now the indictment is now supported by a smaller set of evidence.
My only note on this (and I still can’t quite believe how slipshod the Trump ruling by SCOTUS was) is this-
If you actually care about jurisprudence, it’s cases like Trump v. United States that make people like me roll their eyes at so-called originalists or textualists. Look, I get that it is comforting saying “meaning is fixed,” and/or “the framers!” but this runs into a few issues-
1. This wasn’t the method of interpretation used when the Constitution was written.*
2. It results in two sides just slinging bad history at judges, with the judge using the “history” that results in their policy preferences.
3. Finally, we see in cases like Trump v. United States that as soon as an issue comes up like this, any pretense of sticking to the text is abandoned for policy preferences and results, which means that it isn’t really constraining the judiciary.
I do think that textualism and originalism are useful tools in the judicial toolbox, but I also strongly believe that originalism is a tonic sold to rubes who don’t understand how the sausage is made.
That is all.
*For example, I still wince when I remember the detailed examination of the placement of the comma in the Second Amendment. THEY DIDN'T USE COMMAS LIKE THAT BACK THEN.
Ugh.
Harlan Thomas is all for history and tradition until he isn't
US v Miller in 1939 had the most convincing take on the Militia preface. It merely was referencing Congress' existing Article 1 power to train and arm the miltia.
They the decided the best way to arm the militia was to guarantee they had the right to keep and bear their own weapons.
Then determined that sawed off shotguns were not weapons of war, thus not useful for militias, despite having been used in WW I (the Germans protested our use of them), and being stored in government armories across the country.
That was not the holding of Miller.
They did NOT determine that sawn off shotguns were not weapons of war. What they said was,
"The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon."
The reason they couldn't take judicial notice of it is that nobody had introduced any evidence in the trial that they were. Which is hardly shocking, because only the government was present before the Court, and the government declined to make the opposition's case for them. In the lower court, the nature of the weapon hadn't been at issue.
Were all you hayseeds disappointed that all the stop the steal stuff turned out to be your boy and his lawyers and his congressmen doing the actual stealing? I would be pretty upset if I were you for being played like that.
I never thought there was a steal, and i was very disappointed he didn't take the loss like a man.
My support for Trump this cycle is solely because he will run the country better over the next 4 years, and my belief that the country will be more prosperous, and more importantly I will be substantially freer in 4 years than I would be if Harris wins.
That calculation is what will propel Pres Trump to the Oval office again = My support for Trump this cycle is solely because he will run the country better over the next 4 years, and my belief that the country will be more prosperous, and more importantly I will be substantially freer in 4 years than I would be if Harris wins.
Norm Eisen - the Color Revolution Inventor and Chief Election Fortifier in the US.
In other countries it's called a "Color Revolution" and in the US, it's called "Election Fortification".
Careful there. The Harris Administration will track you dow and you will find out about how to survive in a country where you can’t get credit, can’t get a job, can’t own property, can’t travel, and can’t communicate.
Crucial elements of the case are now attributed to CANDIDATE Donald Trump and Candidate Mike Pence so that it is clear that they are not interacting as president and vice president in the relevant conversations.
The part about Pence is not correct. The indictment refers to his capacity as President of the Senate.
As for Trump, that is a characterization, or as colloquially stated, which hat he was wearing. Smith obviously is trying for the Candidate hat. But I don’t think the courts are obligated to accept the characterization.
In fact, the indictment states:
“the Defendant [i.e. Trump] sought to enlist the Vice President to assist in the plan to use his role as President of the Senate to fraudulently alter the election results. The Defendant had no official responsibilities related to the certification proceeding, but he did have a personal interest as a candidate in being named the winner of the election.” [Par. 67]
Now compare that to what SCOTUS said about this conversation:
I don’t think that merely “characterizing” Trump’s actions as those of Candidate Trump instead of President Trump meets this burden. Which does not mean Trump wins; the district court will still have to rule on it. But the mere labelling of something one way or the other does not cut it, IMO.
I would add that the President is Constitutionally commanded to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” If, as Trump claims (not that I believe it for a minute) the election was being stolen, it was his duty to stop that. So there very much was an official capacity for him to exercise.
Shorter version: it ain’t over for either side. IMO.
Trump did have a duty to take care that the laws be faiuthfully executed.
What is alleged are acts of perjury and forgery.
I've seen others, including Jacob Sullum, descrine one of the crimes as having "pressured Pence".
But pressuring officials is no crime.
On the other hand, perjury and forgery are crimes. You can pressure officials all you want, you just can't use forgeries or perjured statements to do so.
I am taking about his conversation with Pence. I understand there are other things in the indictment. Where in the indictment does it say that his conversation with Pence included perjury and forgery?
I think Smith would have been better advised to leave the Pence conversation out. Given that Pence basically told Trump NO, it seems the least offensive part of the indictment.
"Given that Pence basically told Trump NO, it seems the least offensive part of the indictment."
Unclear on the concept of inchoate crimes? Under 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2), an unsuccessful attempt to corruptly obstruct or impede an official proceeding through creation of false evidence is punishable to the same extent as the completed endeavor. Likewise, under § 1512(k) conspiracy to do so is punishable, regardless of whether the object of the conspiracy is accomplished.
Got the nasties late at night? Try re-reading what I wrote, and then comment.
Presenting false evidence to the police, knowing it's false, is still a crime even if the police do not act on the false evidence.
Another one who missed the point. Is it a crime? Sure, it can be. In this case, though, it also might be immune under the SCOTUS decision. In the whole of the case, it's the least important part. See the point now? (Hint, when you have a strong case, and then add a small piece that is legally problematic, and really adds little to your case, it's the more prudent course to leave it out. That's my opinion, anyway.)
Yes! True is business also = Hint, when you have a strong case, and then add a small piece that is
legallyproblematic, and really adds little to your case, it’s the more prudent course to leave it out.The superseding indictment is actually much stronger for the inclusion of Donald Trump's importuning Mike Pence to disregard the Electoral Count Act. The conversations with Pence (in Pence's capacity as presiding officer of the Senate) are highly probative of Trump's corrupt state of mind for purposes of § 1512(c)(2) and 1512(k).
Well, at least you got off your nastiness.
The Pence conversation might well be immune, in which case under the SCOTUS ruling it cannot even be used as evidence for other actions.
Importuning Mike Pence to disregard the Electoral Count Act is not a crime, nor could it be a crime.
If it was just as you described, it would be a protected petition to the Government for the redress of grievances. you need something more, like bribery, to take importuning officials outside the bounds of First Amendment guarantees.
Wrong. The first Amendment does not protect speech integral to unlawful conduct. As Justice Bear It wrote last year:
United States v. Hansen, 599 U.S. 762, ___, 143 S. Ct. 1932, 1947 (2023).
The basic issue here, as I see it, is that to the extent the Electoral Count Act presumes to tell the latest session of Congress how to do its job, based on enactment by an earlier session of Congress, it can't be legally binding. One session can't bind the next. The ECA can only be considered a non-binding set of guidelines.
As such, as Ejercito says, importuning Pence to disregard it can't be a crime, since it wouldn't actually be a crime for him to do so.
The second issue I see here is that the 'fake' electors can't be fraud, because no effort at all was made to fool anybody into thinking that they were the actually certified electors.
But these aren't issues that would preclude a trial, they're issues that would argue for innocence IN a trial. And it's a political trial, actual guilt or innocence hardly matters.
Disagree. Which laws is he commanded to take care that they're faithfully executed? Federal laws. He has no role or duty in enforcing state laws. But all the b.s. about the "steal" was complaining about violations of state law. Of course, the certification of the EC vote does involve federal law, but nothing about the certification of the EC vote could possibly be described as violating federal law, even if there had been earlier fraud at the state level.
Come on. The ECA requires the Senate to review and then certify the electoral vote. If the electoral count reported to the Senate from one or more of the states was truly fraudulent, that would be a violation of federal law.
Let's say Candidate Smith wins the presidential race in State X. The Secty of State, who is from the other party, does not like that, so she substitutes Candidate Jones in her report to the Senate. You seriously think that there is no violation of federal law?
If a state official submits a false report to the Senate, that would likely be a violation of federal law, sure. § 1001, for instance. But even Trump's craziest kraken litigators didn't raise any such allegations; the only people who submitted false reports to the Senate were Trump's cronies. Trump's complaint was that the states should've appointed other people as electors, not that those electors' votes weren't accurately recorded and transmitted. And, no, that is not a violation of federal law.
Might as well beat you to it: Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!
You weren’t even close. At least some of the alternate slates of electors were certified - just not by the Secretaries of State, The problem was that the election results, and thus slates of electors, were improperly certified. In several of the states, the legislatures certified their own slates of electors because their Secretaries of State had certified what were obviously fraudulent election results. Their justification was that they were Constitutionally empowered to specify the procedures for conducting elections and certifying results, by statute, and thus had the power to do so there, when their Secretaries of State ignored the laws that they had enacted.
They were not. Not by state secretaries of state, not by governors, not by state courts, not by state legislatures. Why do you say things that you know for a fact are false?
(Unless you're talking about 1876, in which case, yeah, but what does that have to do with Donald Trump?)
There are two arguments for why the conversation is not immune, both leading to the conclusion that prosecuting Trump would not “pose any dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.”
1) If Trump was acting as a candidate, prosecuting him doesn’t pose any dangers because there is no relevance to the executive branch.
2) If Trump was acting as President, prosecuting him doesn’t pose any dangers because he wasn’t advancing the executive branch agenda.
That's for a jury to decide.
If, as Trump claims (not that I believe it for a minute) the election was being stolen, it was his duty to stop that.
A President seeking reelection is an interested party with regard to the election outcome. It would have been unwise to the point of folly to empower that President to do anything to affect election outcomes. So I doubt that further study, either legal or historical, would support that conclusion.
President Harris will make certain that Trump is lawfully executed, even if it takes a fully fortified election to assure her victory.
This seems a fair summary by Somin except for why the Supremes wrote such a confusing mishmash. It's a feature, not a bug. It guarantees Trump can appeal and appeal again and appeal again, delay being his only feasible defense. And it saves them writing out clearly that they want a legally immune dictator, Constitution be damned.
There was always going to be some level of criminal immunity for the President because he has Constitutionally granted functions that would supersede any conduct that Congress could criminalize. There was always going to be some level of respect or deference for the ability of the executive branch to function without interference from the other branches because that was well established through precedent. Anyone acting surprised about those aspects of the opinion is either truly uninformed or playing dumb.
The question was always going to be about the extent of the immunity and deference, and how it applied to the specific conduct at issue. I don’t see how SCOTUS could have provided much more definitive guidance than it did given that it had a very thin record to work with and had to tackle an issue that has always been somewhat murky.