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Goldsmith on the Trump Immunity Decision
A thoughtful, sober take on Trump v. United States.
Over at the Lawfare Blog, Jack Goldsmith offers some initial thoughts on the Supreme Court's decision in Trump v. United States. As with just-about everything Goldsmith writes on executive power and executive branch accountability, it is worth a read. [Readers may also recall that Goldsmith was one of the first to explain why the Supreme Court should review the D.C. Circuit's decision rejecting any claim of presidential immunity.]
Here's a taste of his latest piece:
The Court faced a slew of novel questions about the scope of presidential power. Many people seem to have a strong opinion about whether the Court's recognition of fairly broad presidential immunity was "right" or "wrong." But the standard sources of constitutional law do not permit a definitive answer to that question. And on the ultimate question of whether the Court's decision was wise, only time will tell.
The case involves a tension at the heart of the U.S. Constitution. Article II vests the president of the United States with the "executive Power" and gives the president a duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." These phrases give the president power to interpret the law for the executive branch, to enforce the law (including prosecutorial decisions), to supervise the running of the government (including firing subordinate executive branch officials), and to direct government policy.
These same phrases—especially the "take Care" Clause—also ensure that the president is not above the law. The great paradox of the American presidency is that the same constitutional provisions that render the president beholden to law also endow the presidency with extraordinary power and discretion to interpret and enforce the law, and thus give an unscrupulous president tools to abuse the law.
The paradox is on palpable display in the Biden administration's prosecution of former President Trump. The case raises many difficult questions about what it means for the president to carry out the great functions of the office under law, but they can largely be reduced to two. First, did Trump commit crimes in his postelection intrigues? And second, did Special Counsel Jack Smith unduly threaten the presidency when he charged the former president with these crimes?
As Goldsmith observes, the attorneys in the Office of Special Counsel acknowledged that the case presented far more difficult questions, and required a more nuanced answer, than most of the legal commentariat appearing on cable news. At oral argument the special counsel made numerous concessions that one was unlikely to hear on MSNBC.
It is fair (indeed, important) to note that there is no explicit textual basis for any form of presidential immunity. There are multiple, non-textualist precedents that point the other way, however (Nixon v. Fitzgerald in particular), and few were calling for the Court to sweep those precedents away. Further, as Justice Barrett noted in her concurrence. there are structural reasons why some form of immunity is inevitable. If Congress cannot regulate or control certain exercises of executive power (that power which falls in the first box of Justice Robert Jackson's Youngstown Steel concurrence), then it follows that such exercises of executive power cannot be criminalized.
The Constitution was not written to constrain an unfit occupant of the White House. That is ultimately the job of Congress and the electorate.
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Taking a step back, this entire discussion strikes me as such a weird place to end up, given where it all started. It's like the opposite of originalism. Pure path dependence. 250 years of Americans talking to each other, reasoning towards objectives instead of thinking about first principles.
If we go back to our Montesquieu, which the founding fathers implemented much more rigidly than was good for the US, there are three branches of government:
- The legislature, which writes the laws,
- The executive, which implements the laws,
- The judiciary, which says what the law is.
Or, as the constitution puts it (and Goldsmith quotes), it's the president's job to see that the laws be faithfully executed.
Instead, the US has ended up with a Congress that makes way too few laws, and laws that are (realistically) much too high level/abstract, and with Presidents who feel obligated to fill that void by making laws of their own.
And from there various people have argued for a broad interpretation of the powers that the President has straight from the constitution, as opposed to from legislation, to include not only the things that are explicitly listed (pardons, commanding the army), but also some vague sense of supreme command over everything that happens in the executive branch. The branch whose job it is to implement the laws has somehow ended up with its own power to make laws, a power that it can defend against attempts by Congress to tell it what to do.
From first principles, this is all very, very weird.
“much more rigidly than was good for the US”
Oh dear, maybe we won’t become the richest and most powerful country in the world.
Listening to French philosophers seldom is worthwhile but I don’t think Euros should complain about US political “dysfunction”. Maybe take the mote out of your own eye.
“very, very weird”
France since 1789: 3 kingdoms, two empires, 5 republics and currently a somewhat self governing EU administrative district.
"Oh dear, maybe we won’t become the richest and most powerful country in the world."
We became the richest and most powerful country in the world before most of this accretion of executive power. Aided by the fact that we were the only developed country that didn't get reduced to rubble during WWII.
We've been coasting ever since on the gains we got from advantages we gave away decades ago.
Think I'm exaggerating? Take a gander.
Up until about 1950 we were pulling ahead of Europe and Japan. Since, we've barely been keeping that lead we had, growing at about the same rate from a higher level of wealth.
What happened about 1950? The administrative state got jump started by WWII.
Can you explain the difference between "keeping the lead we had" and "barely keeping the lead we had"? Because the latter sounds like a silly way to spin things.
Also, growing from a higher level is harder, not easier, so it's mpre impressive.
+100
And if there were still Great Statesmen around, I would be able to stomach blog posts like quoted in OP, or have some faith that the conversation was based on principles. But I don’t see any.
To take a historical example like the Tenure in Office act in the Andrew Johnson administration.
Say that act criminalized firing a cabinet official without Congress consent, and rather than impeach Johnson, a special prosecutor indicted him.
Do you really think the prosecution should go forward, that Congress has the power to criminalize a presidents inherent power to dismiss his cabinet officers? Or should the court void the statute and say Congress can't criminalize the President's exercise of inherent power?
That begs the question, whether the president has an "inherent" (meaning, presumably, directly derived from the Constitution) power to dismiss cabinet officers. I don't think he does, and more importantly I think borderline cases should be resolved in favour of letting Congress legislate to control the running of the government, and against interpretations that give one person an unchecked power.
"I don’t think he does"
We have a presidential system, not a parliamentary one. The cabinet serves at the pleasure of the president, not the legislature.
You are advocating the current French system. Let's see in a few weeks how that is going to work going forward.
The First Congress split multiple ways on the removal power.
The apparent obviousness of it seems unclear to me.
The president still nominates officers & is the head of the executive department. It is not suddenly solely a parliamentary system if, for instance, certain strings are put on removal.
A presidential system doesn't require total control.
That begs the question, whether the president has an “inherent” (meaning, presumably, directly derived from the Constitution) power to dismiss cabinet officers. I don’t think he does
You would be wrong.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/272/52/
Very insightful. Personally, I lay the blame on the vast increase in size and scope of the federal government. We probably have more laws and regulations that are unmoored from the Constitution than we do those which are still anchored to it.
Perhaps it was all inevitable. We ramped up to fight WWI. We ramped up to fight the Depression. We ramped up to fight WWII. We ramped up to fight the Cold War. We ramped up to fight poverty. Civil Rights. Drugs.
And we've just never gone down. Ever.
So of course our laws are a mess. The whole thing is, as you say, just path-seeking, just barely based on first principles.
Nope, sorry.
A Very Wise Latina and not a few law school professors have said that the president can now use SEAL Team 6 to assassinate political rivals. And all he has to do is look into the camera and utter the line "In my official capacity as POTUS, I'm taking the following totally not illegal actions". And that's it.
It's the law now. And it's just like magic.
One of the things that wasn't discussed too much in the aftermath of September 11th is that the President has the authority to order passenger aircraft be shot down -- killing Americans on American soil. I still wonder about the plane that went down in Pennsylvania, but if any of the other three had been shot down on approach to the WTC or Pentagon, there would have been a large flaming path of burning minority housing with lots of dead families of color.
These planes were going 500 MPH, if they were to explode (say) 500-1000 feet off the ground, all the debris (including burning jet fuel) is *still* going 500 MPH and it's gonna cover a lot of land. Land with tightly packed wooden housing on it -- and good luck getting fire trucks in...
Um, you are aware that most of the land area of the US is NOT tightly packed with housing?
The average population density of the country is about 90 people per square mile. But even that is an average between small highly populated urban areas and vast stretches of practically empty land.
17.9% of the population lives on 97% of the land, the other 82.1% live on the remaining 3% of the land.
So, even in highly populated states, plane crashes are highly unlikely to hit densely populated areas. And if you have any control at all where the crash happens, (Like, you're shooting the plane down...) you can basically guarantee it.
I was talking specific approaches to known sites, i.e. the WTC towers and the Pentagon, which was speculated to be the White House.
OK, White House. What is in walking distance of the White House. Lots of 3 story buildings that Black people live in.
And the WTC -- Midtown Manhattan?
Pilots would think about where the debris would land?
Yes, given a comfy Lay-z-Boy to relax in and discuss it, sure.
With imperfect info and only minutes to think about it, ordering it shot down, and it plows into an apartment, well, oops. But war goofs do not make it a criminal act.
For the record, Mr., I Don't Make Things Up, the World Trade Center was not in midtown Manhattan.
This was already the law under the case that allowed american citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, to be killed by drone strike. Obama did not have to provide a reason, and the only way we know their legal justification, which was a little thin, was because a court ordered it.
If you were a president that believed that Donald J. Trump led an attack against the US capital and believed that he would do it again, If you, as a president, had even less oversight or fear of prosecution, the only thing stopping you from calling the seals would be what?
Obama did not have to provide a reason
Except that in the only formal legal challenge to that action (Al-Aulaqi v. Panetta) his reasoning...as well as a whole host of other factors specific to the situation...were very much a part of the court's analysis and ultimate dismissal of that case. Try reading the court's grant of the gov's motion to dismiss and it will become quite clear how very, very different that was from the fantasy-based, "ordering Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival" hypothetical.
Did you even read the case, in that very case, they reference the case I was referring to Al-aulaqi v. Obama, where they allowed the kill list. You are referring to a case that came years after.
Yes, I read the case. In my comment, “that action” referred to the actual drone strike, not the placing of Anwar Al–Aulaqi on the military “kill list”. That’s because the actual drone strike is what your own comment that I responded to referred to (“to be killed by drone strike.”).
I think the Democrats have gotten too cute by half, and the same ruthless Machiavellism is playing it out now in their desperate attempts to dump Brandon.
Chicago '24 is going to be a bigger mess than Chicago '68....
The Constitution was not written to constrain an unfit occupant of the White House. That is ultimately the job of Congress and the electorate.
No one is saying the Constitution constrains him in any relevant way for purposes of this prosecution. The question is whether the Constitution frees him of constraints. The evidence that it does is laughably weak.
I am not interested in hearing from "textualists" who adopt reasoning based on that well-known "boldness clause."
There are no "textualists" on SCOTUS currently.
The Constitution also deliberately constrains using the power of government to deliberately investigate and prosecute political opponents.
That doesn’t stop multitudes of frauds from lying and feigning disinterested concern for rule of law, in initiative after initiative after initiative. One fails, move on to the next. We’ll git ‘im at some point!
Spare me the faux constitutional concerns. If this actually meant something to people, we wouldn’t even be here.
And yes, the SC decision is concerning. I don’t want it, but I don’t want grotesque misuse of the power of government deliberately against an opponent, either.
If the idea of this being delayed until after the election bothers you, that’s proof right there it’s about hurting an opponent, and not disinerested concern for rule of law.
The Constitution also deliberately constrains using the power of government to deliberately investigate and prosecute political opponents.
Point me to that clause.
ArtII.S3.1.3.1 “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” for one. Seems to lack good faith to use the power of government to deliberately investigate and prosecute political opponents. Now admittedly, one can have an a president who abuses his authority and should be impeached. Case in point, Biden for his lawfare, among failures to faithfully execute the laws.
And failing to prosecute criminals like Donald Trump would not be taking care that the laws were faithfully executed.
Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
All of those govern the procedures by which anyone can be prosecuted; none of them grant any different or special rights to supposed "political opponents."
Do not political opponents have the same rights under the Constitution as other citizens?
Which part of "none of them grant any different or special rights to supposed 'political opponents'" confused you?
They grant all citizens, including political opponents, the right to not be targeted by selective prosecution. Standard prosecutions involve a crime first then prosecuting the person suggested by the evidence not deciding who is to be prosecuted then searching for a crime.
It… doesn't.
I guess Biden, who has violated his oath to faithfully execute the laws by targeting his main political opponent, can breath a sigh of relief since there's no more impeachment clause.
I wonder how Mr. Nieporent will feel about the DOJ being used by a Trump Administration to target Trump's political opponents. I would bet he has a change of opinion come next January 20.
How does this square with the notion of executive privilege/failure to comply with subpoenas/meaningfull accountability to congress? For better or worse, short of impeachment the courts have provided very little recourse enabling congress to promptly “constrain an unfit occupant”. It seems this ruling increases/clarifies executive power with little corresponding balance in congress’s power. At the same time the court has abandoned it’s role, actively preventing accountability, by basing decisions on lack of standing
And second, did Special Counsel Jack Smith unduly threaten the presidency when he charged the former president with these crimes?
Wait a minute. I thought it was grand juries in multiple jurisdictions which charged Trump with various crimes.
Also, the notion, "unduly threaten the presidency," is gibberish if the alleged threat comes from the jointly sovereign People, which is the authority grand juries represent. In American constitutionalism it is literally the People's job to constrain the presidency, and to do it at pleasure, without restrictions even from their own Constitution.
Your fake naivete on the nature of grand juries is worthy of ridicule. I'll leave the actual ridicule of it to others.
mulched — I don't think a reading of American constitutionalism based only on the most-recent 100 years—and which discards everything that came before—must always be dispositive. I certainly do not think it is wise.
Arguably, this Trump case illustrates why discarding the capstone principle of American sovereignty might have been unwise, not only in this case, but in many others. As we see today, it leaves the notion of uncontrollable and unappealable power in the hands of one man, instead of distributed among the population as a whole. I prefer the latter way of looking at it. So did the founders.
Your statement takes the theory of grand juries and pretends that it is the practice. You know that is not the case.
mulched — Your estimate of what is the case depends on choosing a brief subset of American history. My typical time frame for these discussions includes all of it.
But even with regard to the present, I note that the Handbook for Federal Grand Jurors seems to acknowledge the point of view I offered and you deny. Maybe you ought to take a look at the Handbook.
I concede that if applied to state grand juries, what you say may be the rule. I am not familiar enough to vouch for that, but another commenter mentioned New York grand jury instructions, so I took a look at those, and I would concede they tend to support your conclusion.
Thanks for the research, and a beautiful Independence Day to you, Mr. Lathrop.
Like I said before, this is SovCit talk.
Nieporent — My guess is it makes you uncomfortable to confront an argument outside your Overton Window. So to spare yourself discomfort, you have decided not to think about it.
The last time I raised the subject, before this insane immunity decision, you at least had a point or two to make which I had to credit, and think about. The current immunity decision strengthens the argument on behalf of intervention by a continuously active sovereign—a routine notion among the founders, as I have cited quotations to show.
Court supremacy is no part of American constitutionalism. The People did not put it in their Constitution. They need not abide justices who contest the People’s sovereign decree, and thus set themselves up as rivals for the People’s sovereignty.
Perhaps you think the actions I propose would not work. That would be a plausible topic for discussion. Why wouldn't it work? If it did not work, how would the nation be worse off than if it had not been tried? And what better plan do you have to offer, other than to surrender the nation to judicial sovereignty?
There is no "continuously active sovereign." There's only the government. If 'the people' want to, and are able to, overthrow the government, then they can assert whatever authority they can assert. Until then, they are in fact subject to and bound by the constitution.
Nieporent — Your reasoning posits sovereignty reposes in America’s government. Your hypothetical suggests the People contest with government to regain their sovereignty. That is a piss-poor understanding of American constitutionalism.
Also, you seem out of answers to all my questions.
The threat is not from the "jointly sovereign people." The threat is from an out of control DOJ abusing its authority to punish the political enemies of the Biden administration. But more fundamentally, you refer to "American constitutionalism" but are apparently ignorant that immunity is rooted in the separation of powers, which stems from structure of the constitutional itself.
"The Constitution was not written to constrain an unfit occupant of the White House. That is ultimately the job of Congress and the electorate."
Where do you think the power of Congress comes from? The ether?
I'm with the justices who have done their part in promoting civics education. Preferably not taught by those not aware of basic constitutional principles.
I would add that Nixon v. Fitzgerald, which as Justice Sotomayor notes in dissent covers a significantly different matter, was a strongly divided 5-4 opinion.