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Can Emergency Room Doctors Sue the FDA for Failing to Regulate Mifepristone More Aggressively?
The threshold issue in today's oral argument is Article III standing, and that issue should be determinative.
This morning the Supreme Court will hear oral argument in FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine, a challenge to the manner in which the Food and Drug Administration regulates mifepristone, a medication that is used to terminate pregnancies.
The biggest challenge for AHM, the group challenging the FDA, is demonstrating that federal courts have jurisdiction to hear its claims. AHM would like the FDA to regulate mifepristone more stringently, or prohibit its use altogether. In effect, AHM is arguing that the FDA needs to regulate someone else (in this case, mifepristone manufacturers and prescribers) more stringently than it has done. As always in standing cases, asking the courts to force the government to treat a third party differently can be a heavy lift.
AHM's standing claim is based on the argument that AHM's members are injured when women who take mifepristone face complications and seek assistance in emergency rooms. Having to observe and treat such complications causes a cognizable injury, AHM argues, because providing treatment in such cases makes doctors feel complicit in abortion, violates their conscience, and may even expose them to liability.
Assuming that actions by third parties (in this case, the FDA) that force individuals to do their jobs (in this case, anti-abortion ER doctors treating patients) constitutes a cognizable injury for Article III purposes, AHM faces the larger problem of being unable to identify specific doctors who will face specific instances. Rather, they are claiming that the risk of these things has increased because mifepristone is available. The problem here is that AHM is alleging precisely the sort of speculative injuries the Court held were insufficient in Clapper v. Amnesty International. Thus allowing this case to go forward would, in effect, allow groups of doctors to challenge any agency decision that could conceivably result in an increase in injuries among an identifiable group of people. AHM tries to address this problem by citing the comment in Clapper footnote 5 that standing can sometimes be shown "based on a 'substantial risk' that the harm will occur," yet manages to conveniently truncate the quote every time it this argument is made. What footnote 5 actually says is that: "In some instances, we have found standing based on a 'substantial risk' that the harm will occur, which may prompt plaintiffs to reasonably incur costs to mitigate or avoid that harm." That latter requirement -- costly anticipatory actions to prevent harm -- is not met here.
In effect, AHM is making the sort of probabilistic injury claim that the Supreme Court routinely rejects (as in Clapper and Summers). As I explained in this post critiquing the Fifth Circuit's acceptance of this argument:
[The court] tries to argue that an injury to one of the plaintiffs is certain because there are so many women that have taken mifepristone, and complications are so common, that it is inconceivable that some of AHM's members will not be called upon to provide emergency room care. This stacks the deck though in the way it presents the numbers, however. For instance, it notes that five million women have taken the drug since 2000. Based on the FDA's acknowledgement that in two-to-seven percent of cases will involve potential complications from the drug not fully working, this means there have been between 100,000 to 350,000 cases in which women have needed additional treatment. But note that these numbers are for a twenty-plus-year period. On an annual basis, this represents 5,000 to 17,000 cases. Even making the demonstrably false assumption that all of these cases require a visit to one of the thousands of emergency rooms in the United States, it is far from a "statistical certainty" that one of the plaintiff doctors will handle one of these cases, as these cases represent a tiny fraction of the over 130 million emergency department visits each year.
Were that not enough, AHM's standing hurdle is even greater because, as the case reaches the Supreme Court, AHM's claims have been narrowed. As initially filed, AHM sought to argue that the FDA wrongly approved mifepristone in the first place. Accordingly, AHM argued that it faced a reasonable likelihood of harm from the availability of mifepristone on the market. In making this argument, it could use all instances of mifepristone complications nationwide to help make its case. Yet AHM cannot make such arguments any more.
In the proceedings below, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit (correctly) held that AHM's challenges to the the FDA's initial approval of mifepristone were made too late, so all that is at issue is the FDA's slight loosening of the rules governing mifepristone's administration in 2016 and 2021. This means in order to demonstrate standing AHM needs to demonstrate injury to one of its members based upon the additional complications caused by these regulatory changes. Complications that would or could have happened prior to the 2016 and 2021 revisions are not enough. From my prior post:
It is well established that standing is not dispensed in gross. As the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed, a plaintiff "must demonstrate standing for each claim he seeks to press and for each form of relief that is sought." Standing to challenge one agency action does not necessarily establish standing to challenge another. More specifically, even if the plaintiffs can establish that they will suffer an actual or imminent injury from one FDA action (such as the 2000 approval of mifepristone) that does not mean that they will suffer an actual or imminent injury from another FDA action (such as the 2016 or later revisions to the rules governing mifepristone).
All of this should be fatal to AHM's claims for Article III standing. Whatever one thinks of mifepristone or the FDA's conduct regulating this product over the past 25 years, AHM has not demonstrated that it gets to invoke the jurisdiction of Article III courts to challenge the FDA's decision.
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I will have more to say after the oral argument. In the meantime, here are my prior blog posts about this case and the issues it raises:
- "The Next Abortion Battlegrounds," June 22, 2022;
- "Assessing the Legal Claims in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v. FDA," March 8, 2023;
- "AHM v. FDA: A Contrary View and a Rejoinder," March 28, 2023;
- "Blue-State AGs Have A Mifepristone Lawsuit of Their Own," March 29, 2023;
- "Two (Wrong) Mifepristone Court Rulings in One Day," April 8, 2023;
- "The Good and Bad of the Fifth Circuit's Abortion Pill Ruling," April 13, 2023.
- "BREAKING: Supreme Court to Consider Fifth Circuit's Abortion Pill Decision," Dec. 13, 2023.
- Supreme Court Denies Red State Effort to Intervene in Mifepristone Case, Feb. 20, 2024.
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If the exact same regulations had been promulgated during the Trump administration the legal profession would presume them to be invalid.
Nope. This isn't a Biden/Trump thing. This is a freedom v. theocracy thing.
Nope, this is another Federal agency ignoring the law in making its rules.
“In 2000, the FDA illegally approved mifepristone under rules that allow the agency to approve drugs that provide meaningful therapeutic benefits over existing treatments for serious and life-threatening illnesses, such as AIDS. Pregnancy, of course, is not an illness, and abortion is not a treatment. “
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/2937408/supreme-court-should-overturn-fda-approval-of-dangerous-abortion-drug-mifepristone/
We can dismiss your link simply because it describes mifepristone as a dangerous drug. OF course, that the article is written by noted theocrat Mike Pence undermines its credibility further.
It IS a dangerous drug -- 7%-9% of the women who take it are injured by it.
Can you imagine the trial lawyer's wet dream of any other product that seriously injured 7% - 9% of the people who used it as directed?
Memory is that when it first came on the market, it had to be manufactured in China because Big Pharma couldn't accept the liability for making it. Vioxx got pulled because it injured some small fraction of *a* percent of the very sick people in a sample group that took it.
If it were for anything other than abortion, the FDA would never have approved it with this morbidity rate.
That some women are injured doesn't make it dangerous. 100% of all injectable vaccine patients are injured by vaccinations.
You just want the Alliance for Hypocritic (sic) Medicine to win, facts be damned.
what percentage is acceptable? what types of injury are permitted?
always curious to what limit people are willing sacrifice others so that they can claim a win for their position
He means 'side-effects.' 'Injuries' just sounds scarier.
" 100% of all injectable vaccine patients are injured by vaccinations."
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?
Sure. Injections cause extremely slight injuries at the injection site. But you seem to think that injury = danger.
I am curious by what you think is an injury? This case is based on the idea that if the medical abortion fails then a surgical abortion becomes necessary. Now it seems to me that if your doctor told you there is a pill for your condition, but be aware that you may need a follow up procedure. That follow up is less than 10% of the time, I think most people would take the pill.
No, it isn't. The doctors don't want to treat women who suffer complications from mifepristone abortions; it has nothing to do with performing abortions on them per se.
No, the doctors don't want women to get abortions period. Their claims about treatment are a laughable attempt at manufacturing standing.
Well, yes, true. But I'm talking about their arguments, not their private motivations.
The injury is "Waaaaaaaahhhhh! I might have to do my job."
Why should criminal defense lawyers not be held to the same standard?
Again: why do you think they're not?
So the FDA should not have authority regulating boob implants because they treat nothing, unless if you consider the illness of not having a wealthier husband.
Which, given some of the standing arguments around this case, is not such a stretch.
If boob implants were putting 7% to 9% of the women with them into the hospital with something threatening their life, there is no way in hell they would remain on the market.
Remember Fen-phen? In case you don't:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenfluramine/phentermine
"If boob implants were putting 7% to 9% of the women with them into the hospital with something threatening their life"
It isn't 7-9% life-threatening injuries. It literally could just mean it causes a woman to run a fever.
Apparently intentionally lying is A-OK with the anti-abortion crowd. But we all know that, since the only way to become an anti-abortionist is to deny reality and facts.
As I understand it, it is 7%-9% that "require medical attention" and that is a wee bit more than "running a fever" -- although fevers can be fatal...
"As I understand it, it is 7%-9% that “require medical attention” and that is a wee bit more than “running a fever”"
To the surprise of no one, you understand it wrong, "Dr." Ed.
If a patent asks for medical attention and receives it, that's recorded as "required medical attention". Whether they needed emergency surgery or no medical treatment at all, it's recorded that way.
However, you do require me to amend my post. You can also become an anti-abortionist through ignorance.
That said, I believe intentional gaslighting, dishonesty, and denial of reality is much, much more common than simple ignorance in anyi-abortionists.
And it's a far cry from your bullshit "putting 7% to 9% of the women with them into the hospital with something threatening their life".
You are the archetype of an anti-abortionist: ignorant, hyperbolic, dishonest, and uninterested in personal liberty.
"freedom v. theocracy "
Lots of "War is Peace" and "Freedom is slavery" vibes.
When Christian ministers marched for civil rights, was that "theocracy".
When Christian ministers marched for civil rights they were working to expand liberty, not contract it. So yes, there is a flavor of war is peace, you've just misplaced which side is doing it.
I see. In other words, religious motivated actions are only good if you agree with them.
Wow, you have stumbled across the principle of 'agreeing with people' versus 'disagreeing with people.'
I think what he's trying to say is that religious motivated actions are good when they increase freedom (ie marching for civil rights) and not good when they decrease freedom (ie this case)
That he agrees with more freedom and disagrees with less freedom is beside the point.
I see.
Your vision is evidently impaired.
On occasion, religiously-motivated actions are pro-liberty. On other occasions they're not. I approve of the former and not the latter. But I do not approve of the morally crippled approach which deems that religious motivations take priority over anything else.
And there's also a huge difference between "my religion forbids abortion so I won't have one" versus "my religion forbids abortion so nobody else can have one either."
It's the difference between a deli clerk who keeps kosher not eating a ham sandwich himself, versus expecting to keep his job if he refuses to make ham sandwiches for anyone else. If your religion really does prevent you from doing a certain job, maybe you should find another job.
"I see. In other words, religious motivated actions are only good if you agree with them."
Someone's motivation for a action is irrelevant. What you are trying to accomplish is the only relevant issue.
The fact that some people marched for civil rights for religious reasons and some for secular reasons doesn't alter the fact that they were all trying to expand freedom.
The imposition of religious values on the general population is literally the opposite of freedom. You don't get to require others to live by your religious beliefs. It's not rocket science. Religion in government is inherently anti-freedom.
" they were working to expand liberty, not contract it."
So it's only a theocracy when you disagree with the objectives?
Do you realize how truly asinine that is?
And whose liberty were they "expanding"? Schmucks like Ollie McClung would argue (correctly) that their liberty was constricted.
So a government run by ordained clergy is good when you agree with what it does and bad when you don't?
When Christian ministers marched for civil rights, they were doing so in the name of the Fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution.
No, individual freedom versus morality — societies (all societies) reflect their morality in their laws.
Massachusetts truly asinine electricity regulations reflects a morality, as do the DESE regulations on trannies in K-12. I’ve long argued that they are Neo-Pagan religious values (and stupid) but they are the moral values of Leftist loons represented in legislation.
And I trust you will hold those who base their morality on the King James Bible in similar contempt, as is your right, but do not fall into the “theocracy” trap — a theocracy’s different. It’s the difference between Switzerland and the Soviet Union…
"societies (all societies) reflect their morality in their laws."
Nonsense. Laws are designed for stability and (ideally) protection if rights. Morality is sometimes in lockstep with the law, but it is by no means the reason d'etre for laws.
Rape is illegal because you don't have the right to violate someone else's body. It is also, broadly speaking, considered immoral by the vast majority of people. Jaywalking is illegal, but it would be nuts to claim it's immoral. Laws descend from rights, not morality. Morality is so varied and conflicting depending on the person that any system of laws based on it would be inherently unjust.
Christians believe that "honor thy father and mother" is a valid moral tenet. It is absolutely not a valid legal tenet.
Your morality is yours, no one else's. And no one else should be forced to live by your arbitrary moral code.
"Rape is illegal because you don’t have the right to violate someone else’s body."
No. Rape is illegal because it was considered a form of theft. I believe that the Islamic world still holds this view...
So in other words, morality isn't the basis of laws? I agree compleyely.
Trump's nonsense got routinely overturned because (a) he disdained administrative procedure and therefore routinely failed to roll out his policies in a way that would survive scrutiny under the APA, (b) has a big mouth and so would routinely contradict the legal arguments being used to support his policies, and (c) either could not or would not hire generally competent people to fill out his administration and therefore got a lot of sloppy work delivered.
This is why I don't get why even people who agree with Trump on policy wanted him to be the Republican nominee. The dude is terrible at being President and other than getting lucky and nominating three conservatives to the Supreme Court in four years did very little to advance conservative causes.
This seems to be another case in which the court is being asked to make people's job fit their beliefs. If you are an ER doctor you must accept that you may at some point have to perform an abortion. If that bothers a person, they should become a dermatologist and not an ER doctor. Imagine if Jewish and Moslem grocery store workers demanded that the court stop the sale of pork because they don't believe people should eat pork and they might have to touch a package of chops.
Imagine if criminal defense attorneys got to pick and chose who they would and wouldn't defend. One could tell them that if they didn't want to defend criminals, they could instead go into patent law.
Criminal defense attorneys do pick their clients.
You can't possibly be that obtuse, but in case you are, that was my point....
Either *anyone* should be allowed to practice law, OR attorneys ought to be required to represent any paying client who walks throug the door. Like MDs, they should be allowed to "close their practice" -- i.e. not accept any new patients, but they should not be able to pick and chose which ones to accept.
I'd actually prefer the former -- deregulate law much as Carter deregulated trucking -- he removed the barriers to entry and more case of being kicked out of the profession (loss of license, ICC number, etc) than barriers to entry like the legal profession has.
Yes, there are sketchy operators that I wouldn't drive for, but then there are probably sketchy lawyers that you wouldn't want defending someone you knew.
Unlike medicine, nobody is going to die because I decline to represent him. If someone were, there might be an argument that I have a professional duty to do what needs to be done until new counsel can be found. But genuine life and death situations arise in the law far less frequently than they do in emergency rooms.
A capital case involving an indigent defendant is exactly that - a person will die because you decline to represent him. That is not an accurate description of every case but neither is ever doctor visit life-and-death. There are good arguments against Dr Ed's position but that was not one of them.
And if and when the case arises in which a capital defendant has no option other than me, you might have a point.
“Unlike medicine, nobody is going to die because I decline to represent him”
Actually, yes. People can and do die in prison.
But absent that, take something like the Ameralt Case — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fells_Acres_day_care_sexual_abuse_trial
Without going into all the morbid details, I trust you would agree that a child could not be sodomized with the blade end of a butcher knife and remain alive without medical treatment which would have produced records and bills, not to mention CYA 51As -- none of which exist.
(Forget just bleeding, look up peritonitis and septis — you get fecal matter in your bloodstream, you die.) So it clearly didn’t happen.
Yet their lives were destroyed. Arguably, executions would have been more humane than being incarcerated as child molesters. OTOH, Southwest is advertising $69 fares to states where abortion is legal….
You can't be that stupid. Doctors can pick and choose who they treat, except in the emergency context. The legal industry analogue to ER docs is public defenders. Whose choice is to represent who they're assigned to represent or quit their jobs. It's not an "injury" to say that I dislike rape and therefore being forced to represent an accused rapist gives me standing to challenge the existence of public defenders' offices.
If this case creates a new rule for standing, then public defenders could challenge any law or policy that permits women to be all slutty, because that would make it more likely they would have to defend a rapist at some point in the future, thus neglecting their other clients like bombers and murderous snowplow drivers.
Drunk snow plow drivers are far more likely...
One of the open secrets is not only do police not police their own, they also often fail to police the highway guys, for the very same reasons. (When they call for help, they want to have folks respond.)
BUT if you have an accident with a Commercial Vehicle (which plow trucks are -- memory is anything over 18,000 lbs), drug & alcohol screening is pro forma. I'm not sure if this is just if it involves serious injury/fatality or what the dollar trigger figure is for property damage, but I do know this is part of the CDL regs. And the Feds are involved -- although the OUI is a crime under state law.
Yes, there are guys out plowing drunk -- often they get called in because road conditions are going into the toilet and remember that the limit for a CMV is 0.04% -- same as for airline pilots. So there is a lot of "don't ask, don't tell" because you desperately need someone to plow or salt that 20 miles of Interstate before you get even more "chain collision" accidents...
Actually, no. Three reasons.
First, a MD can't dump a patient until there is another MD willing to assume the care for that patient. (They may do it and hope they get away with it -- and well may -- but this is what the regs state.)
Second, they want to have hospital privileges and while that can get complicated, it usually involves having to help staff the hospital, i.e. the emergency room. So they really don't get the choice of not doing that.
And third, while I don't know how much of this is driven by health insurance and how much by regs, it really is a distinction without a difference because most bills are paid by the insurance plans -- if a MD has an "open to new patients" practice, *anyone* in the plan can show up and become a patient.
The MD does NOT get a choice.
I'd rather have the ER team in both places, because they have much greater and truer ethical standards, not perfect, but highly visible.
Guess what!
[Misread the comment.]
This should be clear-cut - the 5th Circuit's decision was evident bullshit driven by religious conviction and not the law.
And a massive ethical and moral breach by one of the judges. The plantiffs paid his wife. Multiple times. But apparently it's "morality for thee, but not for me" for anti-abortion judges. Which should surprise no one.
These low-grade hayseeds will bag an occasional rabbit but in general will, along with their stale and ugly thinking, continued to get stomped by their betters in the culture war.
They know it, too. That explains the desperate, delusion, and disaffectedness.
Let's just enjoy watching the arc of American progress continue to promote reason, science, inclusiveness, modernity, progress, and education at the expense of childish superstition, right-wing bigotry, belligerent ignorance, silly dogma, backwardness, and insularity.
" The plantiffs paid his wife. Multiple times. "
I have long said that we need to impeach and remove at least 100 Federal Judges and that may include a couple on my side -- if there is actual bribery involved, I trust that there are enough leftist CongressCritters to bring Impeachment proceedings.
The more I learn about standing doctrine, the more broken I think it is. The doctrine either needs to be abandoned or substantially rewritten.
This case is about as clean a standing doctrine case as I could imagine and the courts are still having to twist themselves into knots to reach their decisions. Maybe it's time to throw out standing and just move to the merits. (Where, yes, I hope AHM will lose.)
Can you elaborate? The only problem I see here is a court finding standing for these plaintiffs, but that just seems to be them blatantly not following the doctrine.
The frustration I have with standing is not well presented in this case but it's highlighted in Prof Alder's reaction to Justice Thomas' first question. Prof Alder says (in the next article), that "there is no constitutional requirement that Article III standing must exist for someone." That cannot be right. If an unconstitutional condition exists, it is an injury to all of us even if it doesn't directly impact me today. We need some way to get those unconstitutional conditions off the books.
Standing is also used block the correction of diffuse infringements. I may be harmed but not enough. That runs smack into the problem of concentrated benefits and diffuse costs leading to net-negative social outcomes. While that concept is generally researched in the context of economics, it is equally applicable to the law. Standing is used to kick the can down the road. That is irresponsible and a disservice to our children (who will have to inherit this mess of precedents).
“Chesterton’s Fence on line one, holding for Rossami.”
that “there is no constitutional requirement that Article III standing must exist for someone.” That cannot be right. If an unconstitutional condition exists, it is an injury to all of us even if it doesn’t directly impact me today. We need some way to get those unconstitutional conditions off the books.
I don't think there's a constitutional requirement, but if it's a legitimate case I think someone with standing necessarily exists.
In this case I'm curious why a woman who had complications from taking mifepristone wouldn't have had standing to sue (I'm sure they could have found one), maybe there's a law that specifically prevents that?
A competitor to mifepristone would certainly have standing, though I can see the argument why a pharmaceutical would be reluctant to sue the FDA.
A woman who had complications from taking mifepristone might have standing to sue the doctor that prescribed it, or the drug company that manufactured it. But such a woman would not have standing to sue the FDA to reverse its approval of the drug, for multiple reasons, including the fact that reversing its approval would not actually redress this injured woman's injuries.
The doctrine is fine. (I mean, one can certainly quarrel with it, but this case does not reflect any difficulties with the doctrine. It reflects an utterly lawless judge.)
"courts are still having to twist themselves into knots "
Standing is another "I know it when I see it" doctrine. In a close case where the judge/justice want to hear it, standing is found. When they don't, no standing.
I think there's certainly cases where the courts got standing wrong, for instance, if the executive branch fails to negotiate a bill with the legislative branch so it decides to illegally do the action anyway then I think the legislative branch has standing to sue.
But here? "No harm, no foul" seems like a reasonable rule, and if the AHM doctors have experienced no harm then what's their purpose in suing?
"Assuming that actions by third parties (in this case, the FDA) that force individuals to do their jobs"
The next shoe is them refusing to do so.
I can see Mississippi or Alabama passing a "conscience law" that would enable MDs to simply let let these criminals bleed out and die. And I say "criminals" because they are committing a crime, doing something that is explicitly prohibited by the laws of their state.
I also could see them passing a law similar to the gunshot law -- that the woman who took the abortion pill be reported to the authorities much like any gunshot wound must be. Then much as Georgia is prosecuting a Florida resident for telephone calls he made from DC, you will have Red states prosecuting Blue state pharmicists and abortionists who wrote the prescriptions.
It will be just like with gunshots -- toss the woman in jail for contempt until she tells how she got the pills (and grant her immunity to remove any 5th Amendment protections) and go from there. What will be interesting are things like the Massachusetts Abortionist Protection Act -- but as Trump is accused of having violated GA law from DC, the abortionist violated MS law from MA.
And yes, I am saying "let the woman bleed to death."
They'd only have to do that once -- maybe only say they will -- and it would be the end of abortion pills being mailed into that state.
And what I don't understand is how it is legal to mail abortion pills from Massachusetts to Alabama when it isn't legal to mail fireworks from Alabama to Massachusetts. Or so-called "assault rifles" -- legal in other states -- into Massachusetts.
"And what I don't understand..."
The implied preface to any Dr. Ed post.
Dr. Ed is never one to let things like relevance interfere with sharing his drooling fantasies of women dying.
I’m applying the principle of you not having to represent Donald Trump.
How you can conceive of this as a “drooling fantasy” says more about you than me — I am merely pointing out the consequence of conflict of laws here.
If a woman in Alabama wants to murder her child, she can go to Massachusetts to do it — she shouldn’t be allowed to force Alabama MDs to violate their conscience and their state’s laws to help her do it. And hence it is either “you are on your own” and can bleed to death or “we’re not going to let you do it here.”
Heck, even the US Army recognizes CO status — and there are some very decorated medics who were COs. How is this different?
One more thing -- the converse of this issue is arising in death penalty cases. The drug companies are refusing to sell the lethal drugs to prisons, and medical people are refusing to insert the IVs. For all the same reasons -- an ethical objection to taking a human life.
Nothing in the FDA's approval of loosening restrictions on the prescription of mifepristone requires any doctor, in Alabama or elsewhere, to violate his or her conscience.
Well, why don’t you think about it? Did your conscientious objectors sue the army to try to prevent them from deploying anyone else to a combat zone?
Again, count your blessings that he didn't suggest the doctors actively murder the lying whores.
No, just brand an "A" into their foreheads.
{End Sarcasm Mode]
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has made a mockery of standing.
For instance, 303 Creative which held that a LLC that had never actually designed any websites or had any requests to provide services to same-sex couples had standing. Moreover, the man she claimed to have requested a same sex wedding website had been married to a woman for a long time and denied having made the request.
Despite this, Gorsuch overturned the lower court's verdict and found for the plaintiff, because, things like facts and laws and precedent are for little people, not Supreme Court Justices. Just like we wrote with a straight face that the football coach was "praying alone" when volumes of evidence plainly prove the opposite.
Perhaps one of the law professors will write a better version of this, but the fact that a law exists and COULD BE enforced against a litigant grants standing.
There was a recent Higher Ed free speech case along these lines -- and even though the IHE had repealed its policy, the fact that it could reinstate it granted the student standing. You don't have to actually violate the law to enjoin it.
False.
This is unusually close to correct for a Dr. Ed comment, but it is probably worth noting that the court didn’t find that the the plaintiff (which wasn’t a student) had standing, but actually dismissed the case as moot.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-156_2d8f.pdf
'AHM's standing claim is based on the argument that AHM's members are injured when women who take mifepristone face complications and seek assistance in emergency rooms. '
This seems like the equivalent of the ruling which held that the police are not there to protect the public.
Or that defense attorneys are not there to represent the accused.
There's really no way around this one...
There is, quite easily. You just aren't very smart.
In fairness, there is another rather scary side to this -- the AMA leans so far to the left that it is in danger of falling over, and it could use a precedent along these lines to regulate or ban guns or motorcycles or skiing -- all things which bring injured persons into the ER.
The difference here is that state sovereignty is being violated. Massachusetts can say ALL motorcyclists on MA roads must wear a helmet -- but Mississippi can't prohibit the abortion pills from being mailed into the state.
What you're saying is that MA should not be able to regulate helmets but Mississippi can regulate women's health care. BTW- I don't see ER doctors have as much at stake in helmet laws as I do see morgue attendants have.
"the AMA leans so far to the left that it is in danger of falling over"
You'll have to explain how, besides the fact that you think everything more liberal than the John Birch Society "leans left".
Mississippi can prohibit the sale or purchase of abortion pills inside of MI. What it can't do is force the post office or other states to enforce it for them.
You know, just like Illinois can ban all sorts of gun sales, but can't force it's neighbors to prohibit the same gun sales?
Which is why over half of the guns used in Chicago are purchased about a half hour away in Indiana, and Illinois can do nothing.
But the rhetorical "killing" of hypothetical (and only potential) people is a completely valid reason to invade state sovereignty.
As opposed to the actual killing of actual people, which isn't.
At some point in the future, people will look back on the legal use of a poison to abort a pregnancy with the same horror as the use of Zyklon B for "anticipatory defense" of the German fatherland.
Some people might, but their opinions don’t matter.
In general, “people” will not, and your prediction is and will continue to be wrong for all of eternity.
At some point in the future people will look back on the idea that government can interfere with women's health care with the horror.
"At some point in the future, people will look back on the legal use of a poison to abort a pregnancy"
Only crazy and stupid people. Normal people will forget that this brief, dying gasp of theocracy ever happened and, when told, will be horrified and disgusted that such a time ever existed.
Zyklon B wasn't for "anticipatory defense". It was to get rid of lice.
The bigger problem is that AHM's theory has nothing to do with mifepristone specifically; it would apply to any and every safety regulation (or lack thereof) in the United States. They could sue the DOT for not regulating car safety more strictly, on the grounds that having to treat people who come in to the ER after car accidents is an 'injury.' And I'm betting that they treat a lot more of such accident victims than mifepristone injuries.
The real danger that conservatives and libertarian should consider what would happen if ER doctors gained a position to affect gun laws.
Liberals think gun manufacturers should be sued if someone commits a crime with a gun.
Liberals also think car manufacturers should be sued if blacks like stealing their cars.
Why wouldn't this also fall squarely within the principles liberals believe?
Didn't the FDA make this move in response to Dobbs? How medical and scientific is that?
Mifepristone was approved in 2000. In late 2021 the FDA reduced requirement for an in person visit to get the medication and allowed mail delivery. Dobbs was mid 2022. So, FDA the decision was well before Dobbs.
Since time only flows in one direction, no.
"so all that is at issue is the FDA's slight loosening of the rules governing mifepristone's administration in 2016 and 2021. "
The FDA acted in response to elections. Which is also not medical or scientific. Approval under pressure from a Democrat is not illegal as long as there is some evidence in the record to support approval. Neither is holding up approval under pressure from a Republican, as long as the delay is not so long as to constitute constructive denial.
Courts start to look closer when an agency contradicts itself depending on which party is in charge. I understand the situation here to be Republicans asked for more time to study and Democrats said the Republican-ordered studies justified approval. That is not self-contradiction.
"... complications and seek assistance in emergency rooms."
What are the complications ?
Does it always require termination of life ?
The problem with standing is that you only see it being talked about when there's no concrete harms to point to.
If these doctors were actually dealing with the problems caused by two decades of medication abortions and the FDA's neglifence, we'd have the data, and they wouldn't have to talk about hypotheticals and standing would never have been mentioned.
But they don't have that, and hypotheticals are all they have. And that's why we talk about standing instead. Because lacking real harm, this is the kind of nonsense you talk about instead.
I not sure how you are addressing standing as a problem. This seems to be a simple case where the plaintiffs fail to meet standing requirements. Standing has been getting attention because people seem to think they can sue about anything and that not true. Standing is often a barrier as should be that case. In this case the plaintiffs have suffered no real harm, only what they contend is a potential for harm. So, let them come back when there is actual harm.
My problem isn't complicated: "standing" is a made-up legal doctrine that has no basis in actual law, and is used as a smokescreen by the SCOTUS when they're too cowardly to rule on the issues before them.