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No, Texas Has Not "Defied" The Supreme Court
Perhaps Governor Abbott will flout a directive from the Supreme Court in a future case, but reports of Texas "defying" the Supreme Court are bunk, and many making such claims should know better.
There is quite a bit of hyperbole about immigration policy and the southern border these days. To take one prominent example, Texas Governor Greg Abbott suggests there is an "invasion" of illegal immigrants that justifies state action under the Constitution. As a constitutional matter, this is not true.
It is not just politicians who are engaged in false, hyperbolic statements, however. Journalists and purported experts are doing it too, such as those who claim that Texas is "defying" the Supreme Court by continuing to put up c-wire on state and private land near the border with Mexico. According to these accounts, because the Supreme Court lifted an injunction that barred the federal government from removing c-wire where necessary for immigration enforcement activities, Texas is flouting the Supreme Court by continuing to place c-wire on state and private property. This is not true either.
In the relevant case, Department of Homeland Security v. Texas, Texas is suing the federal government, in tort, for the destruction of state property (c-wire barriers and the like). The district court generally concluded that Texas was right on the facts, but wrong on the law, because Texas could not seek money damages from the federal government due to sovereign immunity. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit enjoined the federal government from taking additional actions that remove or destroy c-wire barriers on state and private land, save where such actions were necessary to address a medical emergency, pending additional proceedings. Among other things, the Fifth Circuit concluded Texas would be likely to show the federal government had waived its sovereign immunity under 5 U.S.C. Section 702.
All the Supreme Court did (in this order) is eliminate this injunction -- likely because it concluded that the federal government is likely to prevail on sovereign immunity grounds. It did not rule on -- indeed, it was not called to rule upon -- the lawfulness of anything Texas is doing. Nothing in what the Supreme Court did told Texas to take or refrain from any action.
But don't just take my word for it. Here is what Professor Steve Vladeck (no fan of the Abbott administration) wrote in his "One First" substack newsletter:
perhaps the most important thing to say about the order is how little it actually resolved (someone really ought to write a book about why this is a bad thing): By vacating the Fifth Circuit's injunction, the Court effectively protected the federal government from contempt sanctions if it continues to remove the razor wire that Texas has placed along the border—and nothing more. Thus, nothing Texas did or said later in the week was "defying" the Court's ruling; much like President Jefferson and Marbury v. Madison, there was no real way Abbott could defy such a modest ruling because it wasn't directed at Texas in the first place. Instead, as explained in more detail below, the real legal disputes between Texas and the federal government at the border remain very much open and unsettled (and are likely to only escalate further, given the politics of the moment).
As Vladeck notes, there are other pending cases that challenge the lawfulness of actions Texas has taken that conflict with the Biden Administration's immigration policy enforcement choices. One of these cases challenges a new immigration law in Texas that looks highly suspect under Arizona v. United States, a 5-4 decision from 2012 in which the Court concluded that many state actions to enforce federal immigration laws are preempted. If courts rule against Texas in those cases--and I suspect they might--and Texas does not stand down, then it will be appropriate to call out the Lone Star state for defying the Supreme Court. But that is not what has happened yet, and it is irresponsible for journalists and others who should know better to say so.
Governor Abbott may be reckless and cavalier, particularly with his rhetoric, but he's no Judge Aiken (at least not yet).
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Texas officials are starting to use the language of the Confederacy.
In the service of bigotry.
Prof. Adler and the Volokh Conspiracy prefer to focus on the "irresponsible" language of journalists.
Carry on, clingers.
Arthur, a few things. First, journalists are using irresponsible language (not just here). They (journalists) fan the flames, quite deliberately. And they lie. Second, I found the Governor's use of the term 'breaking the compact' between the government and the states very distasteful. That is the language of 1856. Was it performative political bullshit? Probably. Looks that way to me, and also a terrible choice of words. Third, 25 states' officials are not crazy. Fourth, I have noticed that sometimes with the brief passage of time and nothing happening, problems seem to resolve themselves (that is, passions cool and people find ways to talk to each other).
Maybe a brief time out can work here.
Or a heart attack or two.
"That is the language of 1856. "
More like the language of 1776, if you look at the format of his letter.
Brett, form is one thing; content quite another. I personally think the language was distasteful, inflammatory and just really bad timing (people are already pissed off enough and this just adds to the collective irritation).
Maybe a few weeks of the concertina wire being up, state and fed officials working in proximity to each other without issues and this just dissipates. That would be ideal. I do not think that will happen.
Well, the Declaration of Independence was somewhat inflammatory, too.
Abbot has a point. Read the preamble to the Constitution:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Providing for the common defense is among the purposes for which our federal government was formed. But, wait, there's more: The Guarantee clause:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
There it is again: The federal government is mandated to protect states against invasion, it's not optional.
So, here we have about 2-3 million people entering the country illegally each year, in violation of our laws. And the federal government isn't stopping it, they're trying to prevent Texas from stopping it.
If that's an invasion, the federal government actually IS violating the compact that called it into existence. And simply declaring that illegal immigration isn't invasion as though saying it made it true doesn't settle the matter.
This isn't an 1856 moment, because Texas isn't demanding to leave the federation. It's demanding that the federation do what it was specifically formed to do: Defend them.
The border's a mess and has always been a mess, but you can't have a free and open society and an iron curtain at the border and equating people who are essentially migrant workers with a military invasion is utter hysteria.
Actually, you can have a free and open society with an iron curtain at the border. Freedom of EXIT is essential to a free society, not freedom of ENTRANCE.
Or did you think the Berlin wall made West Germany unfree?
You think an iron curtain doesn’t bleed back into the rest of the country? Fool. You’d turn the US into a police state to keep a few poor people who want to cut lawns out. The cost alone would be stupidly, ridiculously high. You'd cede powers of surveillance and warrantless searches and random stop checks and detentions to an already corrupt bunch of police agencies. Frightening yourself into a dystopia.
“essentially migrant workers”
So it’s migrant workers filling hotels and eating free food in New York and Chicago. Workers live on wages rather than handouts.
Bet there's not a single one of them unwilling to work for a living. Illegal migrant workers ARE a handout to corporations trying to keep wages down.
I was thinking the language of 1979 -- anyone remember the "sagebrush rebellion"?
The insurrection - such as it was - came about because of hysteria over lies about the election; this is happening because of hysterical lies about a bunch of poor people looking for work being a military invasion. So, the lies about the invasion is to the lies about the election as whatever the fuck this turns out to be is to the insurrection. Try to keep your equivalences balanced, like a good little boy.
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Well, sure, but the other 25 are!
This is something I've noticed, too. Both sides are being total idiots about the posturing at the border. The media talks about Abbott "defying" the Supreme Court, while Abbott issues a foaming nothing rambling incoherently about fighting off an "invasion" of immigrants.
So it's totally correct to say no one is defying anything, as of yet. Hasn't stopped the MAGA crowd from calling for civil war and secession. Which they do at a drop of the hat these days.
See my comment below about TX invoking their implicit right of self defense, from invasion, under Art I, § 10, ¶ 3, in response to what they consider an invasion. How do you explain to Texans that they are not being invaded by illegal immigrants?
It doesn't require explanation. Everybody knows what an invasion is, and that this isn't it. Feigning ignorance just makes you look stupid.
Now do that for "insurrection".
Ok. Mr. Bumblebee is ignorant and stupid because he doesn't know what an insurrection is.
nor you an "invasion."
Again, speak for yourself. Gov Abbott knows that the non invading illegals are killing his citizens with their supposedly nonexistent guns.
Dear Professor Adler,
You and Judge Duncan both refer to concertina wire as "c-wire." Why? Trying to conceal the barbarity?
Mark Regan
Juneau, Alaska
I suppose they don't want to keep typing "concertina".
There's no "barbarity" here to conceal, by the way. It's quite ordinary to use barbed or concertina wire to prevent illegal entry to an area, and it has no effect on people at all unless they insist on trying to pass through anyway.
In which case they're to blame for their own injuries, so are they the barbarians you're referring to?
It's quite ordinary to use barbed or concertina wire to prevent illegal entry to... well, hm... military bases, prison exteriors, places like South Korea and west Berlin...
Let's put up some more concrete walls, towers with sharpshooters, then the desired result will be within reach, I'm sure.
SimonP, a local Home Depot/Lowes less than 10mi away has concertina wire lining the tops of their outdoor fence where they store outdoor materials. Sad commentary on today's society that big box retailers even have to use it here in America to keep out thieves. But they do. It isn't just military bases, prisons that use it.
I drove through Gary, IN yesterday, pretty much every business that's still surviving has concertina wire around their property.
Also what does Mark think is barbaric about the word "concertina?" It's literally named after an accordion.
Yeah, the stuff is all over the place here. I've actually seen it on fences around private homes, in some of the dodgier neighborhoods.
It doesn't leap out and cut you up, it just sits up there harmless unless you decide to go where you're not wanted.
Simon is an ideologue. He does not cares about ground truth.
If you mean Somin, he is an ideologue, but he also brings truth.
He's wrong about his future projections, not about any fact I've seen him post.
No, I meant Simon, not Somin.
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Euphemism in the service of right-wing ugliness and bigotry is . . . standard at a polemical conservative blog these days.
They should call it Accordion Wire so people realize the full level of barbarity.
It's concertina because the coils are round like the bellows of a concertina and not rectangular like the bellows of an accordion.
Now we need someone to play Lady of Spain.
Should call it FAFO wire. Don't FA, don't FO.
The federal government's main argument is that property within 25 miles of the international border, residences excluded, is subject to entry by federal agents enforcing immigration law. As I see it sovereign immunity is secondary to the question: how much damage are immigration agents allows to cause in the process of entry? If they are allows to cause damage to barriers then a lawsuit would fail on the merits. Two situations probably straddle the answer. A repo man can take your car off your driveway but can not commit a breach of the peace in the process. A police officer executing a warrant can demolish your house.
Technically, they're not destroying the barriers in order to enter themselves in any case. They're doing it to facilitate entry by illegal aliens.
What happens if POTUS Biden chooses to do nothing? = TX is free to put up barriers, concertina wire... and the Feds do not take them down.
From a practical standpoint...what happens?
Does the legal case go away?
Right now, POTUS Biden may be choosing to do nothing, and that might in fact be the right approach here.
It IS the right approach here, as Texas is in the right, and Biden in the wrong, legally. And it would probably be smart for Biden not to push too hard, because it's just exposing his very unpopular outside of radical left wing circles policy of aiding illegal immigration.
‘policy of aiding illegal immigration.*’
*Not Biden’s policy.
Actually he should definitely push back against the xenophobic hatemongering, sabre rattling and performative bullshit.
Yes, Biden's policy. He didn't settle for just not enforcing the law, he's expended resources to aid illegal immigration.
Only in your weird imagination.
You're right. Biden should push back against the "xenophobic hatemongering, sabre rattling and performative bullshit" from AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Nancy Pelosi etc.
Derp.
Thanks for conceding.
LMFAO
Wear the ivy wreath with pride.
100 years from now:
Teacher: What was the cause of the second American civil war?
Student: Texas was not allowed to maim immigrants with barbed wire.
Teacher: That is correct.
What, is Texas throwing barbed wire at them? I thought they were maiming themselves, to the extent any maiming is happening.
That's the antisocial, un-American autism talking.
100 years from now:
Teacher: What was the cause of the second American civil war?
Student: Texas was not put barriers on its own state land in place to stop massive amounts of deadly drugs from flooding in.
Teacher: That is correct.
But teacher, weren't most of the drugs coming in through freight, not on the backs of poor people dragging themselves across desert and river? So wasn't that a bit fucking stupid and performative?
Yes, the wire was also to stop foreign invaders.
Were the people of that era particularly chickenshit?
Yes.
That's pretty stupid, even for you.
Of course, the day ain't over.
As a small correction, Arizona v. United States was a 5-3 (not 5-4) decision. Justice Kagan recused herself, presumably because of her prior work as Solicitor General. Some have suggested that Chief Justice John "Braveheart" Roberts flipped his vote to avoid a 4-4 non-precedential ruling.
Accepting that Texas has not been enjoined from putting up the wire and that the federal government has a right to take it down, what is Texas accomplishing by putting it up, other than costing the federal government money to take it down? Can the federal government order Texas to stop putting up the wire, because it is costing the federal government money to take it down?
I suppose that they're accomplishing the border being impassible for the period between placement and removal. If there is indeed any removal: The optics of the border Patrol cutting wire and escorting illegals into the country have been pretty damaging to Biden's effort to convince people he's actually fighting illegal immigration.
Man, look at you up and down this thread, leaving this commentary. You really hate those Hispanics, don't you?
He mostly hates everyone other than disaffected white culture war roadkill.
You know, it's really stupid the way advocates for illegal immigrants keep conflating legal and illegal immigrants, and pretending it's about race.
Do you really think it persuades anybody, or is it all for your own private amusement?
I have little sympathy for people who illegally cross our border, without regard to their race or ethnicity. I don't particularly hate them, I just would prefer that they stay out.
Birther Brett Bellmore on persuasion and race, ladies and gentlemen . . .
A lot of Hispanics hate these CRIMINALS, too.
The American Left’s answer to everything: “You’re a racist.”
(It’s a tactic, not a statement, and it’s invoked when they have no reasonable defense.)
Oh tell me you don't think Biden's keeping the borders wide open because he wants to replace the white race with brown people, that would be refreshing.
To be honest, I don't think border patrol is happy about this situation. Most of the patrol are from the region, and so my guess is that we will see removal being kept to a minimum, with them almost making gates in the wire.
So Texas can't take security measures to protect it's territory because it might cause the federal government money to destroy those security measures? How far does that extend? And since illegal immigration is a huge expense for Texas does that mean the federal government owes Texas money?
I don’t know how it’s not obvious that a river full of concertina wire will both make the Border Patrol’s jobs harder / impossible and pose a danger to immigrants. Three have died already.
Biden is required to entertain asylum requests, just like Trump was. The proposed immigration bill would allow him to declare an emergency at the border with the effect of suspending asylum. That’s the authorization he needs in order to turn people away no questions asked.
Why, yes. Illegals have NEVER died trying to illegally cross before now.
"Three have died already."
Yeah, they drowned in Mexico before the Border Service even found out about it, had nothing at all to do with concertina wire. Sheesh, how dishonest can you get? (Please, don't take that as a challenge.)
Why do you think it had nothing to do with the concertina wire?
Because they drowned on the Mexican side of the river, they never got anywhere near it. And the barbed wire on the American side had no effect on rescue attempts, the Border Service didn't even hear about it until it was already over.
Maybe they were swimming around looking for a spot without wire for too long? Ok I'm making things up but I suspect you are too.
Maybe monkeys were flying out of their asses and drowned them.
Geez.
I thought disobeying the Supreme Court was cool after they banned all abortions. Guess people changed their mind.
Actually, all abortions aren’t banned. The only thing that happened was that the federal government no longer bans states banning abortion. The issue is back with the states, where it was before Roe v Wade. In some states, abortion is wide open. In some, it’s now restricted.
I guess I should have included a sarcasm tag.
The court didn't render an opinion as to whether or not abortions should be banned. It simply said that such decisions were the purview of the States.
It was the Court's order to stop race-based college admissions that many on the Left want to defy. (And every decision they disagree with, because they're about "justice," not "law.")
It’s amazing how little you actually know about topics you’re on here discussing every single day. One would expect a certain amount of knowledge to simply be absorbed from so much access to it. But nope, not a hint of understanding ever breaks through even by accident. And not just you. At least 80% of the commenters here are fully immune to any knowledge or information they don’t want to hear. Just incredible, in all senses of the term.
Why is the discussion centered around sovereign immunity, which insulates the government from paying money damages (unless it's waived).
We are talking about an injunction here. Does Ex Parte Young , 209 U.S. 123 (1908), not apply to the federal government?
(For those interested, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Young)
I doubt Ex Parte Young applies to the federal government; it's more of a Supremacy Clause thing. But you don't even need Young here; just look at federal law. 5 USC 702 says in relevant part:
This is "an action in a court of the United States". Texas is "seeking relief other than money damages". They are "stating a claim that an agency or an officer or employee thereof acted or failed to act in an official capacity or under color of legal authority". Sovereign immunity is an argument that the action should "be dismissed []or relief therein be denied on the ground that it is against the United States or that the United States is an indispensable party". As to such dismissal or denial, this law says it "shall not" happen.
I don't understand how anyone could argue this statute *doesn't* apply here. Even if you think Texas is wrong for moral reasons or you think they're wrong for other legal reasons, they are *not* wrong for federal sovereign immunity reasons.
Here’s a fun thought.
Article I § 10 ¶ 3
TX has apparently declared that it is being invaded. They are, essentially, invoking their right to self defense, implicit in last several phrases in that paragraph.
Oh can we just declare things now? I do declare that you're a retard.
Like you declare that Jan. 6 was an insurrection?
If your point is that Abbott declaring an invasion has as much legal effect as me declaring an insurrection, I must agree.
Actually, Abbot declaring an invasion has a lot more legal effect, since the Constitution explicitly contemplates states deciding on their own that they're being invaded, and he's the chief executive of a state.
It'll have about the same effect as Trump declaring the election fraudulent. It'll fire up the worst impulses in the worst people. I expect the brave defence of the border by citizen militias to be about as effective as the brave siezing of government control by the Jan 6th mob, but that's not to say people won't get hurt.
The Constitution doesn’t contemplate states “declaring” themselves under invasion when they’re not.
But, here, the bulk of the people living near the Mexican border do believe that they are being invaded. It’s only a couple thousand miles away, in DC, and maybe up the Atlantic coast, that political leaders can, for political reasons, deny that TX is being invaded.
The distinction that I am trying to make here, is between actual reality and political reality. Article I § 10 ¶ 3 Seems to suggest that a state can act to repel invaders when federal officials deny that is happening, for, in this case, political reasons.
Besides, why should states get to decide that Trump was involved in an Insurrection, but states cannot decide that they are being invaded?
States don’t get to decide that Trump engaged in an insurrection. SCOTUS is reviewing that right now.
But, here, the bulk of the people living near the Mexican border do believe that they are being invaded.
No they don’t. Everybody knows what an invasion is and it’s not this.
Speak for yourself. Gov Abbott doesn’t know it. What he knows is that the citizens of the state that he governs are dying at the hands of the illegals that you won’t admit are invading his state, and this country.
"The Constitution doesn’t contemplate states “declaring” themselves under invasion when they’re not."
In the same sense it doesn't contemplate the federal government "declaring" them not under invasion when they are: Utter silence on the topic. It didn't occur to them it was something that needed to be addressed.
But it does have something to say about states declaring themselves under invasion: It specifically authorizes them to respond to invasion, or even the imminent threat of it, before/without the federal government doing anything. And how could they do that if they couldn't independently decide if it was happening?
Flailing, blustering right-wing xenophobes are among my favorite culture war casualties. And, with other members of Libertarians for Authoritarian, Bigoted and Cruel immigration Policies and Practices, the target audience of a bigoted, white, male blog
Let’s tone the rhetoric down a bit here. On both sides.
Just as civilians wanting to enter a country for peaceful purposes, legally or not, has not traditionally been considered an invasion, putting up a fence at ones border, legally or not, has not traditionally been considered an act of war.
Well, civilians wanting to enter a country is hardly an invasion. Their actually doing so, in the face of affirmative efforts to keep them out? Not so sure about that.
That guy walking down my street can want to come into my house all he likes, and it's no big deal. At the point where he jimmies a window open and actually enters, it does become a big deal.
In fact, I'm not so sure about the civilian part, either; We're not on friendly terms with China at the moment, and we've seen a recent dramatic spike in military age adult male Chinese illegally crossing the border. More last year than the entire previous decade.
Maybe they're refugees from an unquestionably oppressive regime, but maybe they're an infiltration of sleeper agents. That's the sort of thing you don't know for sure until it's too late.
Even the non-Chinese are likely a mix of people entering for peaceful purposes, and Mexican cartel members entering the country for illegal purposes, not just illegal entry.
'Not so sure about that.'
You are, in fact, entirely sure, you just need the rhetoric ramped up because this and persecuting trans people are the only policies on the right these days.
No, I said I'm not so sure, because I'm not so sure. I think it's highly context dependent. One or two people entering illegally is hardly an invasion. If the whole population of Mexico up and marched North, absolutely an invasion.
Where do you draw the line in between? It's a judgement call. Much as you dislike that, there's a constitutional basis for states getting to make that judgement call.
The Mexican army marching north with weapons and tanks is an invasion. Unarmed migrants/illegal immigrants are not. And that remains true if its 50 or 50,000.
Words have meaning. Pretending they don't is stupid. Abbot knows the GOP wants the border to be in the news because they think it helps them politically. So he will keep it in the news. Just like Trump doesn't want a border deal done now because he thinks it helps him politically and is sending marching orders to kill any bill relating to the border. Political stunts will continue.
If these chucklefucks were serious about illegal immigrant invasions...their actions of sending the invaders on free bus or plane rides deeper into the US wouldn't make any sense, now would it? Unless they were aiding and abetting the 'invasion.'
And you can keep saying that over and over, and just saying it won't make it true.
That's good advice for Abbott and yourself to think about.
No, we can't make you *care* that it's true, it's still true.
How about crossing the border with Automatic weapons, and killing Texans and BP agents? That’s happening. Doesn’t it count because they are probably Republicans. It’s wishful thinking that the illegals coming here are all unarmed and nonviolent. Neither is true.
Yes this is being covered up because the people being mowed down are Republicans.
Between this and the 2020 election you really seem to believe that objective reality is just, like, a suggestion. Like if enough people are wrong, that counts as right.
Good thing the law recognizes that "invasion" means tanks and weapons! Otherwise, it might talk about "invasion of privacy", which would be absolutely absurd.
'Where do you draw the line in between?'
Wherever suits your demagoguery
Civilians entering the country for illegal purposes is still not an invasion.
I mean, you sound real stupid. You and I both know what an invasion is.
Why not? Why do you, and not the Governor of TX, get to make that decision?
The federal government gets to make that decision.
Not whatever governor says the magic word.
Here's a more fun thought.
Russia in an organized state action is flooding the Finnish border with asylum seekers.
So if you think asylum seekers / illegal immigration at the US-Mexico border is invasion then you have to acknowledge that Russia is invading Finland. And if Russia is invading NATO-member Finland you're now obliged to defend Finland from Russia.
Finland closes border with Russia
Invasion over. I think Finland can handle the 300 people. If they can't they can ask the UN for help. Of course, that really means the US, but who's counting (dollar bills)?
US won't close border with Mexico, actively prevents Texas from closing its border with Mexico, then actively facilitates illegal immigration with Mexico.
Yeah, same same.
“Texas is not touching you. You can’t do anything because Texas is not touching you.”
It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.