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The Cecil-the-Lion-Killing Dentist, Civil Rights Boycott Noncompliers, and Hamas Supporters
What should we think (and what does the law think) about publicly accusing ("doxxing"?) people of what some see as shameful behavior?
What should the legal system think about attempts to publicly identify people whom one accuses of shameful behavior? What should social norms be on this?
The issue just came up a few days ago as to the lists of names and photos of Harvard students who were allegedly linked to pro-Hamas-attack statements. But the question has come up many times in recent years. Some people label such behavior "doxxing," including when the only information released is the person's name and perhaps photograph (as opposed to, say, bank account numbers, social security numbers, home addresses, home phone numbers, etc.). Many are understandably concerned that such behavior can lead not just to ostracism and condemnation, but also to violent attacks or at least threats.
This strikes me as a difficult question as a matter of social norms, precisely because the problem is so common. Any news story that reveals someone's alleged crimes or misconduct could lead many people to shun the person, some people to send nasty messages to the person, and a few to actually make illegal threats or even engage in physical attacks, especially if the alleged misconduct is seen as especially bad. (Consider, for instance, the identification of the dentist who killed Cecil the lion, which apparently led to threats against the dentist.) Any viral video that shows someone supposedly saying or doing something racist or sexist or otherwise sharply condemned by many people could have the same effect.
As a legal matter, it turns out that the Supreme Court has considered the question, and held that the risk of criminal misconduct by a few readers doesn't justify blocking such speech from all other readers.
The key case on this is NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co. (1982), which stems from a 1966-70 black community boycott of white-owned stores in Claiborne County, Mississippi. (Our legal system often moves very slowly.) The boycott organizers demanded that black customers stop shopping at those stores, and stationed "store watchers" outside the stores to take down the names of black shoppers who were not complying with the boycott. Those names were then read aloud at NAACP meetings at a local black church, and printed and distributed to other black residents. "As stated by the [trial judge], those persons 'were branded as traitors to the black cause, called demeaning names, and socially ostracized for merely trading with whites.'"
Some of the noncomplying shoppers were also physically attacked for refusing to go along with the boycott:
The testimony concerning four incidents convincingly demonstrates that they occurred because the victims were ignoring the boycott. In two cases, shots were fired at a house; in a third, a brick was thrown through a windshield; in the fourth, a flower garden was damaged. None of these four victims, however, ceased trading with white merchants.
The evidence concerning four other incidents is less clear, but again it indicates that an unlawful form of discipline was applied to certain boycott violators. In April 1966, a black couple named Cox asked for a police escort to go into a white-owned dry cleaner and, a week later, shots were fired into their home. In another incident, an NAACP member took a bottle of whiskey from a black man who had purchased it in a white-owned store. The third incident involved a fight between a commercial fisherman who did not observe the boycott and four men who "grabbed me and beat me up and took a gun off me." In a fourth incident, described only in hearsay testimony, a group of young blacks apparently pulled down the overalls of an elderly brick mason known as "Preacher White" and spanked him for not observing the boycott….
Various businesses sued, claiming that the boycott tortiously interfered with the businesses' relationships with their customers, including by frightening away some customers. (That is generally a legally viable sort of claim, setting aside the First Amendment objections.)
Yet the Court held that the First Amendment protected publishing the fact that the noncomplying shoppers were not complying with the boycott—despite the attempt to publicly shame people who were exercising their legal rights to shop at white-owned stores, the natural tendency of such behavior to coerce some people to go along with the boycott, and the eminently foreseeable consequence that there was some violence. Though "[p]etitioners admittedly sought to persuade others to join the boycott through social pressure and the 'threat' of social ostracism," the Court held, "[s]peech does not lose its protected character … simply because it may embarrass others or coerce them into action." And it doesn't lose its protected character even when a few of the listeners foreseeably act violently:
Respondents also argue that liability may be imposed on individuals who were … "store watchers" …. There is nothing unlawful in standing outside a store and recording names….
Only those people who themselves "engaged in violence or threats of violence" may be held liable for those incidents, the Court concluded; simply publicizing the noncomplying customers' names couldn't lead to liability.
Nor do I think that the result would have been different if the people's photos were included alongside their names. In a rural county that had 7500 black residents at the time (I looked this up in the Census data), identifying a person by name would have likely made it pretty clear to fellow residents who it was. And to the extent that the name was ambiguous, and the photo helped show which John Smith was being discussed, it would likely have been better and fairer if the photos could have been included, to avoid people ascribing one person's behavior to another.
I also don't think that the legal result should be affected by whether the information is posted on the Internet (which, in the Harvard pro-Hamas-attack speech example, might have distinguished the names being posted online from the names being displayed on a truck that was apparently being driven around Cambridge). It's true that Internet speech is generally visible by more people, so if even 0.01% of all readers act illegally based on it, that could still be a large number. But on the other hand, the speech in Claiborne Hardware was more likely to reach people's neighbors, who are much more capable of retaliating with real-world violence (as opposed to just nasty e-mails or threats) than are Internet users thousands of miles away.
Of course, not everything that legally may be said should be said, as a matter of ethics or fairness or kindness. Some might argue, for instance, that the organizers of the NAACP Claiborne County boycott could be morally faulted for their actions. (Recall that the people they sought to publicly shame were simply exercising their constitutional rights to shop at stores regardless of the owners' race.) Others would doubtless disagree.
As I noted, the question of what the norms ought to be here is a complicated one. I have to face it myself in what I write: In most situations, I try to focus my criticisms on issues and actions rather than on people, but I do often mention people's names in discussing and quoting from court cases (especially since parties' last names are usually part of the name of the case), and perhaps I have erred in both directions in some of what I've done.
But in any event I think it's important to remember just how commonplace these issues are. If naming names of people who'd rather not be named is "doxxing," newspapers have long been some of the most dangerous doxxers. If the presence of some risk that some readers or viewers might threaten a person (or just "harass" a person, whatever precisely that might mean) is enough to morally forbid identifying the person, then the worse the behavior, the more improper it becomes to publicly condemn the people who engage in the behavior. If you thought the dentist who killed Cecil was rightly publicly identified, or the black Claiborne County citizens who didn't go along with the boycott were rightly publicly identified, then how one would distinguish the shaming of students who are responsible for public statements praising Hamas's killings becomes at least an interesting question (though not necessarily an unanswerable one).
In any event, I'd love to hear what our readers think about this.
Disclosure: I was accused last year by a self-represented frequent litigant of causing people to make threatening phone calls to her, when I published a long law review article that in a few passages identified her as the plaintiff in certain pseudonymous lawsuits. The litigant sought a "harassment restraining order" requiring me to remove her name from the online versions of the published article. Unsurprisingly, the Los Angeles Superior Court dismissed her pseudonymous case against me, and ordered that she be depseudonymized, though she is currently appealing those decisions. My views described above long predate that lawsuit.
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I recommended to Harvard students that they should wear Covid masks when they gather to support Gazans.
More Than 1,000 Rally on Harvard’s Campus to ‘Free Palestine’ Ahead of Expected Ground Invasion of Gaza
Professor Volokh writes: “Many are understandably concerned that such behavior can lead not just to ostracism and condemnation, but also to violent attacks or at least threats.”
Does the doxxing truck perhaps reach the bar of recklessness and true threat that SCOTUS defines in Counterman v. Colorado, No. 22-138 (U.S. Jun. 27, 2023)?
Zionists have a history of murdering opponents and critics. This history goes back at least to the 1924 murder of Jacob Israël de Haan.
De Haan is almost certainly the first member of the LGBTQ community to take a stand against Zionism. He became a spokesman for the Ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionists of Palestine.
I'm sure the Islamic world appreciates your unwavering support. Nazis too. And don't forget your brother Misek.
No. This has been a rerun of the previous episode of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions, where we addressed this question.
It may be specific to Massachusetts law. Taking a picture of a witness to a crime of violence or a gesture at a witness can be prosecuted for true threat and intimidation. Some of us anti-Zionists have been witnesses to Zionist violent crimes of genocide
You misspelled "Antisemite".
Massachusetts law is not entitled to a specific exception from the constitution.
Attempting to intimidate witnesses obviously constitutes interference with the judicial process. Here, (i) the Harvard students aren’t “witnesses” to anything, in the sense of being in a position to give admissible evidence in a legal proceeding, and (ii) there is no “crime” that is subject to the judicial process. So the analogy fails rather miserably.
The NAACP name calling, like the modern internet hate campaigns, is distinguishable from newspaper reporting because the targets were called out for the purpose of making them suffer some form of unpleasantness. The law may make no such distinction when the unpleasantness is not independently actionable. I do.
On the much larger modern internet you're likely to find some guy who chimes in with a wish for something illegal to happen. You have a million people spewing generic hatred and a hundred more wishing for a rock through the window or a bullet through the head. Let's say a rock does go through a window or a bullet through a head. Are those hundred people immune from liability? Liable only if it can be proved their specific comments caused the assault? Liable for everything? Assume the comments about violence stop short of a criminal threat, "I hope somebody shoots up your house" rather than "your house is going to get shot."
re: "Are those hundred people ... [l]iable only if it can be proved their specific comments caused the assault?"
Yes, that is the current (and in my view, correct) standard. You can say whatever hateful, nasty things you want right up until you become the proximate cause for the illegal attack. And Proximate Cause is an intentionally high standard. Such a high standard is necessary to preserve freedom of speech - including speech I dislike.
There's a significant difference between name, photograph, and home address (without specific street number, perhaps) which can serve to pierce anonymity and bank account numbers, social security numbers and home phone numbers which don't really serve to distinguish between individuals but do support harassment.
Recklessness and true threats are not needed to address an inflammatory issue: "Keep her legs closed!": Republicans are mad one of them said the quiet part out loud.
Unfortunately, slavery and Zionism may belong to a category, which is different from controlling the sexuality of women. The phrase "free speech" refers to the speech of abolitionists, who were routinely threatened with imprisonment, harm, and death by pro-slavery forces. To be fair, abolitionists like John Brown eventually took up arms against slavery.
Wow, that's one bizarre article...quite the sleight of hand there in trying to act like standard pro-life positions (e.g., exceptions for rape, etc.) are merely "more polite versions" of actual inflammatory statements like saying women deserve harm or some such...
Respondents also argue that liability may be imposed on individuals who were … "store watchers" …. There is nothing unlawful in standing outside a store and recording names….
This snippet does not distinguish between publicly identifying those who use the wrong stores and privately identifying them.
Thus if you know, or reasonably suspect, that Don Corleone would like to send Don Barzini to sleep with the fishes, and you discover that Don B is visiting his mistress without his bodyguard, you could call up Don C and mention the fact; strongly suspecting, and perhaps hoping, that Don B will be sleeping with the fishes by the morning.
You could tack on further details, like your request to Don C that he might like to pay you a gratuity for the info.
At some stage, presumably, you get to be an accessory to murder. But at what stage ?
What can you prove to a jury about my mental state when calling Don C and how proximate is my testimony to Don C's action? It's not a bright-line but I think there is a line in there that juries and judges deal with regularly.
What do I have to prove ?
Suppose I can prove that you expected that Don C would almost certainly ice Don B ? Is that enough ?
Suppose I can prove that you had a reasonable expectation, but falling well short of a racing certainty, that Don C would ice Don B ?
Suppose it was a non trivial might ?
Suppose in each case I could prove that I was hoping that Don C would ice Don B ?
Leaving aside the production of actual proof, what is it that the prosecutor needs to prove ?
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The prosecutor needs to prove mens rea and proximate cause.
Proximate cause is a high standard - and should be. It's also a standard that prosecutors and juries deal with regularly. I think in this case, that means you would need more than just an expectation that Don C would murder Don B - you would need to show that no reasonable person in Don C's position would react other than by murdering Don B. And more importantly, you'd have to show that I knew it.
compare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_boycott_of_Jewish_businesses
Fucking fascists!
Identifying people who signed their name to a public document making a political statement is not doxxing, IMO. You make a public statement, you should be prepared to take the heat. That's far removed from killing a lion on a safari.
If one sends a truck around Cambridge with a picture of a Harvard undergrad, one knows where to find him. You don't need a need a street address, which would be meaningless. Every undergrad passes through the Harvard Yard at some point, and there are 12 residential dining halls. In my day, an off-campus undergrad was required to eat on-campus at least once a week.
You didn't have a day.
I really think we need a consistent standard for "cancel culture" (doxxing or otherwise) that would *not* depend on how strongly either side feels about a given issue...
I think whether there's truly a *consensus* or not may be the only workable standard. No matter how strongly the right or left "feels," if there's not a consensus (i.e., if a substantial portion of society disagrees...), then you simply don't get to shame/bully/fire/cancel/dox/etc.
But if most of society does agree, that is when we shame and bully people who don’t agree?
That sounds pointless is many instances. If someone is swimming against the social consensus, it seems that their ideas are least likely to have influence. And then the shaming and bullying is just self-indulgent aggression.
Fair point — let me clarify: Without a consensus, it shouldn’t even be an *option* under any circumstances to shame/fire/dox/etc.
If there truly is a consensus, it becomes an option. Even in most such cases, I still don’t think it would usually be a good idea. But there’s a difference between using shame to enforce an actual consensus vs. trying to unnaturally force a consensus (i.e., bypassing the persuasion that should be needed to achieve it in the first place).
That's stupid, you're stupid for saying it, and I'm stupider for reading it and replying.
Perhaps...but until someone with your apparent wisdom can manage to educate me, it will remain what I think.
Thank you for saying that because I was scratching my head and thinking exactly the same thing = Identifying people who signed their name to a public document making a political statement is not doxxing
I thought we called it: transparency. 🙂
I strongly prefer that all forms of doxxing be banned, and that everyone be barred from discriminating against someone because of political opinion or activity, or because he used a court or administrative process for redress of grievances. In particular it should be illegal to reveal someone's home address because it opens them up to physical attack, and mobs gathering at someone's home should be a crime. I realize that some parts of this require constitutional change.
If doxxing does happen, I would look the other way if the favor is returned.
I don’t believe people should be barred from discriminating against others for political opinions. I think people should be encouraged and persuaded not to do so. And if they still disagree, they should be free to discriminate.
The line that must not be crossed, however, is here:
"Only those people who themselves 'engaged in violence or threats of violence" may be held liable for those incidents, the Court concluded'"
I don’t really see that as a line that is symmetrical but instead is asymmetrical. I suppose when we say, don’t punch people in the face, one context is because you disagree with their point of view. But that prohibition does not exist primarily to regulate debate. Whereas a rule against discrimination based on political opinion would be seeking to regulate debate itself.
I don't seek to regulate debate, as long as it stays debate.
Conduct is regulated. Context in which the conduct is acted out may be considered ("fighting words") but the regulation bears on conduct.
Explain more on your consideration of symmetry.
I am generally loath to allow the government to suppress / censor speech. So, I’d say: let Hamas-supporters say whatever they like, but also let others criticize them, publicly identifying the person(s) being criticized.
I suppose that makes me a supporter of “cancel culture.”
A couple of days ago, in a different comment-thread, Queen Almathea accused another commenter of hypocrisy because he expressed support for rescinding someone’s job-offer based on their pro-Hamas comments. Queen Almathea posited that conservatives generally oppose “cancel culture,” but are willing to make exceptions for people they dislike and want to see “cancelled.” I replied, pointing out that “liberals” like Queen Almathea might not be entirely free of hypocrisy here either.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/10/11/may-private-employers-fire-or-refuse-to-hire-employees-because-of-their-praise-of-hamas-or-praise-of-israel/?comments=true#comment-10271453
I wonder if people lost their jobs for their support for equal rights in the 1950s or 1960s.
Some of them did, yes. There were white citizens councils that were formed to inflict economic pain on individuals and businesses that supported the civil rights movement. So this is really nothing new; what has changed is which side is doing it.
Get an education.
Queen is right. People are hypocritical on this.
If we embrace cancel culture the result will be that people on the left will seek to cancel people on the right and vice versa. It will be just another form of political competition.
A private company choosing to not hire an applicant because management finds their public behavior (and I'm including speech in that) makes them a bad risk and/or someone they do not wish to have representing their company is not "cancel culture".
Yeah, I am no fan of management getting involved in things that are none of its business.
Let’s let people think for themselves without trying to force then to conform their political opinions to our expectations? How about that???
Everyone, including non-management employees, should be considered entitled to have their own opinion and make up their own mind.
If you disagree, I respect that. But if that is your view, it implies that minimum property requirements for voting should be imposed, because (1) those of lesser means lack the requisite stake in society and (2) those who are mere employees shouldn’t be thinking for themselves.
It is funny, because one of the biggest proponents for cancel culture, including managers firing lower level employees for their views, are liberals. But these same people argue everyone should vote.
Maybe they should make up their mind. Either people who aren’t economically established should be able to independently form their own opinions or they shouldn’t.
I'd fully be on board with that --- but why should I fight for somebody who would turn around and go after me for anything they could?
At a certain point, bad policies only change when all are subjected to them.
"If we embrace cancel culture the result will be that people on the left will seek to cancel people on the right"
The status quo continuing is not a solid argument here.
Did the truck guys post the namess of *every single member* of specified student groups and call them antisemites? That might be a defamation problem.
A student group leader who is capable of justifying Hamas would be capable of lying about how many people in his group support his pro-Hamas statements.
A black student (for instance) might have looked for black organizations on campus and joined a couple, without knowing the leadership was deranged. Calling that student an anti-semite might be defamatory.
I wonder if, in an earlier era, civil rights protesters were doxxed.
There was a case about that in the Supreme Court. The NAACP won the right to keep its membership list private, to protect the members from retaliation:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/357/449/
Sure, but then, once the group's leadership starts making deranged public statements, wouldn't it be incumbent upon him to either (a) oust the deranged leadership, or (b) exit the group? If he fails to do either, he can't complain about people lumping him together with his deranged comrades.
The thing is, the truck guys don't seem to have given average members a whole lot of time to do either of the things you mention.
If a group has bad leadership, then lots of members' first reaction would be to get better leadership, which can be a protracted process.
Are the truck guys capable of doing the necessary research to find out the group's internal dynamics and leadership-change efforts?
People often avoid using their real names online precisely because of cancel culture. This culture has a chilling effect on our society, driving more people to be anonymous online due to uncertainty about which thoughts might subject them to cancellation now or in the future.
I think anonymity then makes it more likely they will say something mean or seek to engage in cancel culture themselves.
Back in the day, cancel culture involved dueling. Aaron Burr canceled Alexander Hamilton. Wishing to destroy someone’s career is obviously less severe than killing them, but I believe the same impulse of “destroying your enemy” is ultimately at play psychologically. But unlike dueling, the warfare is asymmetric since those who seek to cancel typically do not put themselves at risk. It is more akin to a sniper attack than a duel.
Anyway, maybe people should seek to purge the “unrighteous” from society. But my suspicion is that this will not turn out well.
"I think anonymity then makes it more likely they will say something mean or seek to engage in cancel culture themselves."
A couple years ago somebody tried to get me fired over a comment at 538 attacking racial preferences as racial discrimination. (Fortunately, my employer was, "We don't do that here, and besides, you didn't say anything unreasonable.")
Naturally, they did it anonymously.
I think its all legal, but that does not mean it is right. To identify someone seems legitimate, but to give their address and suggest "something be done" to the person is probably wrong. They guy buying whiskey is just buying whiskey. The court got it right by saying the activist who stole it from him is legally in the wrong. On the Israel issue, people should be allowed to express themselves in peaceful ways. Encouraging violence in an already violent situation seems foolish.
Let's see... someone shot into a home, another person stole whiskey, two groups assaulted individuals. Those are crimes, and the criminals presumably knew that when they did it. If they were too mentally deficient to know it was wrong, that might be a defense. If they were so easily led that someone else could and did incite them to commit their crimes, that someone else might be an accessory. Seems right to me.
The only shortcoming I see is that the punishment for those crimes should be swift and severe enough to be an effective deterrent for people who think that committing similar crimes is a valid form of protest. Clearly that's not the case, because otherwise we would readily distinguish "identifying someone we disagree with" from "selecting a target for violence".
Restricting speech because we're worried about possible overreactions is a heckler's veto: the policy that violence should be appeased instead of punished.
It appears that Microsoft is blocking the link to "the lists of names and photos of Harvard students" who were allegedly linked to pro-Hamas-attack statements (the link is at the beginning of the article).