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May Private Employers Fire (or Refuse to Hire) Employees Because of Their Praise of Hamas (or Praise of Israel)?
It depends on the state (or sometimes even county and city) where the employer is located.
In recent days, we've seen some employers saying they'd refuse to hire people based on those people's praise of the Hamas attack on Israel (or at least certain kinds of praise), see, e.g., this story about one employer [UPDATE: and others] and this statement from another:
(For more on the particular statement that led to the revocation of the offer, see here.) Likewise, one can imagine other employers refusing to hire people based on those people's hypothetical praise of various kinds of Israeli retaliation against the attack. Is that legal, at least for private employers?
The answer is that it generally depends on state law, and sometimes even on county or city ordinances.
There is no general constitutional right of employers to refuse to hire people whose statements or actions are "profoundly in conflict with [the employer's] values as a firm." Federal and state laws, for instance, generally forbid discrimination in employment based on the employee's religion, however much the religion might profoundly conflict with the employer's values.
Such laws also ban discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, generally regardless of the firm's values. (There's a debate about the extent to which state or federal religious exemption rules provide an exemption from employment discrimination bans to employers who have religious objections to employing certain people. But, even if such exemptions are sometimes granted—and they mostly haven't been—that would be a special feature of the religious exemption regimes, and likely not available to employers who simply object on secular moral or pragmatic grounds.)
Federal law bans discrimination based on union membership, even if the employer is strongly anti-union and views union membership as contrary to its values. To my knowledge, all or nearly all states also forbid firing an employee based on how a person voted in various elections, however much that vote profoundly conflicts with the employer's values. Indeed, some states make such discrimination based on how a person voted a felony.
Likewise, a considerable number of states and some counties, cities, and territories ban discrimination based on various kinds of political activity, or speech more broadly (though a considerable number don't). The California statutes protecting private employees from retaliation for their "political activity," for instance, have been read as banning discrimination in firing or hiring based on an employee's "espousal of a candidate or a cause," including broad ideological causes and not just ballot measures.
Other laws are narrower, or sometimes vaguer. New York law, for instance, bans employment discrimination based on off-duty "political activities," defined to mean "(i) running for public office, (ii) campaigning for a candidate for public office, or (iii) participating in fund-raising activities for the benefit of a candidate, political party or political advocacy group." That seems largely limited to election-related speech, which wouldn't include advocacy of Hamas's actions or of Israel's retaliation for those actions.
But New York law also bans employment discrimination based on off-duty, uncompensated "recreational activities," defined to mean "any lawful, leisure-time activity … which is generally engaged in for recreational purposes, including but not limited to sports, games, hobbies, exercise, reading and the viewing of television, movies and similar material." Would that extend to posting about current events on Facebook or Twitter? That's not clear; compare Cavanaugh v. Doherty (N.Y. App. Div. 1998) (treating the law as covering "a discussion during recreational activities outside of the workplace in which her political affiliations became an issue") and El-Amine v. Avon Prods., Inc. (N.Y. App. Div. 2002) (apparently treating the law as covering plaintiff's "involvement in a vigil for Matthew Shepard, the gay college student who was brutally murdered in Laramie, Wyoming," Jennifer Gonnerman, Avon Firing, Village Voice, Mar. 2, 1999) with Kolb v. Camilleri (W.D.N.Y. 2008) ("Plaintiff did not engage in picketing for his leisure, but as a form of protest. While the Court has found such protest worthy of constitutional protection, it should not engender simultaneous protection as a recreational activity akin to 'sports, games, hobbies, exercise, reading and the viewing of television, movies and similar material.'").
Now what if the employer argues that the employee's or prospective employee's speech is so offensive to clients or coworkers that it undermines the employer's business? The laws also appear to vary as to that. Recall that, for instance, an employer can't raise such objections as a defense to firing employees based on their religious values; however much your customers may disapprove of Satanists or evangelical Christians or Orthodox Jews or Sunni Muslims, you can't use that as a basis for rejecting the employee.
Some of the state laws appear to be comparably categorical, though others have some exceptions of varying breadth. New York law, for instance, excludes situations where the employee's political or recreational activity "creates a material conflict of interest related to the employer's trade secrets, proprietary information or other proprietary or business interest." I doubt that this extends just to public hostility (however morally justified) to the speech (though see this federal district court decision); I think "other proprietary or business interest" refers to interest such as those involved with trade secrets or proprietary information, perhaps as well as other things that fit within the general understanding of "material conflict of interest." But the exact scope of this exception is not, to my knowledge, well-settled.
To be sure, in some situations an employer may have a First Amendment right to discriminate among employees, especially ones who speak on behalf of the employer. Churches have a First Amendment right to choose their clergy, notwithstanding bans on discrimination based on race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, disability, and so on. (They also generally enjoy statutory exemptions from the ban on religious discrimination as to all their employees, even low-level ones.) A newspaper may have a First Amendment to forbid political activity by its reporters (see pp. 280-83 of this article). But these are narrow exceptions from the general rules set forth by the state statutes I describe above, applicable to relatively narrow categories of employees.
Here's a rough map of how the laws vary throughout the country, though you can see more details here.
Again, not all jurisdictions have such laws. But some do, and those may well provide legal protection for employees' political speech, including speech that many view as highly offensive. (I should note that I'm not opining here on the specific Winston & Strawn incident cited at the start of the post; again, that depends on where the student was going to work, and, if that jurisdiction has such a law, what its scope ends up being.)
Finally, for a more extended discussion of the policy arguments for and against such laws here.
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There is no general constitutional right of employers to refuse to hire people whose statements or actions are "profoundly in conflict with [the employer's] values as a firm."
Whyt do they need a "constitutional right" to decide who to employ or not employ?
How many people have been fired because of comments or social media posts?
Mr. Bumble: They'd need a constitutional right to decide whom to employ or not employ when they want to overcome a statute or ordinance that prohibits certain employment decisions. My post discusses some such statutes, and the article I link to discusses many more (and some ordinances).
SCOTUS appears really interested in reviewing litigation in which a person is subjected to discrimination because of his religion (Title VII).
Ryna Workman is probably Jewish as I am. Then by our religion, we must object to the existence of the State of Israel and must stand with Palestinians.
The final statement of the Covenant with Israel (Jeremiah 31:30-33) does not include the Land. By Rabbinic Jewish law, the Zionist state and every Zionist colonial settler is in violation of the 3 Oaths (ג’ שבועות). A Zionist colonial settler is a blasphemer and an enemy of Judaism.
Of course, we stand with Palestinians against the Zionist enemies of God and man.
Winston & Strawn seems to have discriminated against Ryna Workman because of her religion. Ryna Workman should probably seek both an injunction and also equitable relief.
An injunction is equitable relief, you antisemitic doofus.
42 U.S. Code § 2000e–5 - Enforcement provisions
(g) Injunctions; appropriate affirmative action; equitable relief; accrual of back pay; reduction of back pay; limitations on judicial orders
I don’t think an argument that firing people for statements calling for the murder of heathens and blasphemers shortly after this occurs constitutes prohibited discrimination based on religion would get very far in court.
I don’t dispute that religions do sometimes call for the killing of heathens and blasphemers, as clearly yours does, and I don’t think the state itself can prosecute people for simply repeating religious teachings of this nature in the abstract. But I don’t think any court would interpret the Civil Rights Act to prohibit employers from firing people for praising folks who have just committed a mass religiously-motivated killing.
No one is making a call for the killing of heathens and blasphemers. Palestinians want their homes, villages, property, and country back. Ryna and I support Palestinians because we are Jews.
Zionists are post-Judaism because Zionism murders Judaism by blasphemously transforming Judaism into a program of genocide.
Yes, you are as Jewish as she is, as well as as Jewish as the Dalai Lama is.
The non binary She is being “fired” or more correctly job offer rescinded because of her behavior is strong indication that she will be disruptive in the work environment, have a significant negative impact on the business climate. Peers, supervisors and even clients that will likely not want her working on their projects. None of the behavior she exhibits would be protected by the states anti discrimination laws.
That being said, dont be surprised if an employment discrimination is filed.
What about a university that objects to a law professor who operates a blog saturated by bigotry, uses racial slurs in class, and takes positions most people on campus find offensive? Same analysis?
Anyone can file a lawsuit.
But her written statement, which claimed the privilege of position as president of the NYU SBA, was particularly insensitive. The summary of her short essay was, "Israel deserves everything Hamas did." Dressing up support for terrorism as "religion" shouldn't fool anyone.
This largely aligns with my own reading of New York law, as applicable to Ryna. It’s good to see what some of the NY courts have said about the protection of “recreational activities”; it’s unfortunate to see that success of any claim under the law will likely depend on the judge’s choice of level of abstraction.
It seems odd to define the law as providing protection for only limited kinds of political activity, and protection for a broadly open-ended category of recreational activity, but no protection for a zone of political speech that falls short of “running for office” but is too politically-tinged to qualify as a “typical” “recreational activity.”
The point of the law is to prohibit employers from firing employees for engaging in lawful, off-hours, off-site, off-device activity. If anything, protection of “political activities” should overlap with the extension of “recreational activities,” not fall short and leave certain lawful, off-hours, off-site, off-device activities unprotected. My comments here are frequently politically-charged, but they are always lawful, and leaving them is in its truest sense a “recreational activity” of mine. Ryna’s statement, as president of the SBA, seems to be in the same vein.
Luckily for Winston & Strawn, she was still a foolish law student and not an employee. I'm not aware of any law requiring employers to hire a candidate who practices any sort of hobby. And those offer letters are usually caveated with "non-binding" language to give the law firms flexibility in case something disreputable is uncovered.
The law — like virtually all employment discrimination law — bans discrimination in hiring as much as in firing based on these criteria. (Whether this sort of statement would fit within these criteria is a different question, as Prof. V. notes.)
In the first example cited, I'd say the justification for not hiring her (or firing her had she already been given employment) is not so much the fact that she said something offensive or simply "in conflict with [the employer's] values as a firm", but that publicly advocating mass murder/genocide strongly suggests that she's mentally unhinged and a very real potential danger to others.
Approving the beheading of babies is just abortion after birth, but approving gang rape should void her progressive credentials forever, right?
Not only that but she made those statements using her University position and not her personal Mastadon account. That mixing of personal and professional spheres in such ways is the kind of poor decision making I'd avoid like the plague. I certainly wouldn't want such statements floating about on my company letterhead if at all possible.
"May Private Employers Fire (or Refuse to Hire) Employees Because of Their Praise of Hamas (or Praise of Israel)?"
Maybe, maybe not.
But, as always, they can be fired/not hired for 'poor communication skills'.
Or because, while marginally qualified, they are/were not the best candidate presented.
There is always a way.
In what sense would such firing be an illegal reason in New York?
Do fans of Hamas constitute a protected class?
Wouldn't the presence of such a person constitute the creation of a hostile work environment for Jewish employees?
I don't do New York.
I mean, that was the entire subject of the post. Did you bother to read it?
Does it matter that she didn't (at least
in my understanding) make the statement on behalf of herself but instead made it as the president of the NY Law SBA?
What if the SBA doesn't agree with her? Does that change the legal calculus of her not being hired?
Thanks to Eugene for this timely post. These questions arose for a lot of us today. Certainly the firms with outstanding offers to these students are stuck between a legal rock and a PR/Client Relations hard place.
On a related note, state bar associations are likely being bombarded with complaints about the law students that have (implicitly or explicitly) signed on to recent statements. I assume it would be improper to withhold a law license (or moral character approval) as a result of this activity, but has that ever been tested on a large scale such as this?
Ask favorite Glenn Greenwald client Matthew Hale.
She'll probably end up working in the Justice Department. Seems like the kind of person that would fit right in there.
This is a classic case of overthinking. Cheering for the rape, slaughter and mericiless ruination of Jews is, to put it nicely, akin to preaching white supremacy. Many many employers fire people when they discover they made a racist comment (a term now so broadly defined as to include anything adverse about black people) when they were in college or as a teenager.
What Hamas did is exactly — exactly — what the Russians did in pogroms and what the Nazis did to more than 3000 towns in Poland, Hungary, Czech and Romania. So if someone says hey, what the Nazis did to the Jews was cool, its no different than cheering on Hamas.
If that is not a fireable offense, than the N-word, which never led to massacres, is not either.
Zionist colonial settlers are not Jews. They are post-Judaism. They have murdered Judaism by transforming Judaism into a program of genocide.
That's what we call an "opinion." And I'm allowed to not hire you because of it.
There are Jews who have a somewhat milder version of this opinion. The Satmar Chassidim in particular are known for their view that Zionism is wrong and the State of Israel was and is mistake.
I think firing people who have this opinion (that Zionism, initiating a Jewish state without waiting for a Messiah, is wrong) would be prohibited religious discrimination.
But I see a big difference between expressing an abstract opinion in these sorts of terms, and praising people who have just committed a massacre and urging people to go after the rest of them and finish the job.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/head-of-satmar-hasidic-sect-castigates-followers-for-admiring-israel-idf/amp/
While my training is Brisker, I stated the Satmarer opinion.
You have no training of any sort.
It would depend on the specific statements and also the specific laws. But it could be argued that statements that specifically endorse murdering people are not “political” statements and hence not protected by state laws prohibiting discrimination against people for political activity. “Political” activity doesn’t necessarily encompass every kind of speech the First Amendment protects.
Similarly, I don’t think prohibitions on religious discrimination prohibit employers from firing workers who call for the murder of people they regard as blasphemers and infidels, even though this is part of their religion.
Perhaps the issue here is not the definition of religion or politics. It might be better to admit that firing people for such things constitutes a form of discrimination, but characterize it as permitted based on a kind of private analog of compelling state interest. Employees are not entitled to disrupt the workplace or put their co-workers in fear.
I see a distinction between e.g. saying “homosexuality is a sin,” even saying “homosexuality should get the death penalty,” and lauding specific people who committed a specific massacre at a gay bar.
I acknowledge that there are plenty of people who would fire people just for saying “homosexuality is a sin” or “blasphemy shoild get the death penalty,” while I wouldn’t, and also that I would fire people for endorsing specific murders in a manner that falls short of a true threat.
How can I justify my intuition here? Maybe I can’t. I have a pretty thick skin, but I’m not made of plate armor.
So Winston can lock in a job merely by posting socially controversial material on the web which most surely violates morals/ethics contractual clauses?
Maybe excoriating the sensibilities of one's hoped for future partners or future clients is a bad idea. Just saying.
I've been musing on this situation and have an observation about it.
I've seen many objections to so-called "cancel culture" on this blog and in comments over the years. But isn't this really just another example of "cancel culture" being applied -- but this time because those being "cancelled" have taken a position rejected by the majority here? After all, this individual has done nothing more than engage in unpopular and politically incorrect speech. And let's not get into the question of calls by one law firm that all members of all groups which signed on to an open letter at Harvard be outed and blackballed from any employment.
I’ve seen many objections to so-called “cancel culture” on this blog and in comments over the years. But isn’t this really just another example of “cancel culture” being applied — but this time because those being “cancelled” have taken a position rejected by the majority here?
Not even close. This is simply a case of a private concern choosing who it does/doesn't wish to employ and have as a representative of their business. If you don't understand the difference between that and "cancel culture" then you really ought not to be commenting on either.
Being partly color blind, I appreciate that the map uses patterns instead of colors to differentiate the states with various laws. That's not used enough.
Personally, I don't think she has the intelligence, temperament and judgement to succeed in a white shoe NY firm.
How is advocating mass rape and murder not a violation of the ethical standards expected of lawyers?
Clingers gonna cling.
Within limits established by the American mainstream.
Speaking of weaselly inconsistency: How come you (and those of your ilk) are the only ones who get to choose who you "want[...] to associate with"? When Jack Phillips says he doesn't want anything to do with gay weddings, you & your ilk are all over him. What gives?!
"Why won't you damn liberuls tolerate the intolerant people?? Yer so hippocritiul!"
Yawn. It's a tired argument. And anyway, not at all the same.
I'd say, "Nice strawman"...but it's just a completely inept attempt at one.