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A Conflict Between Liberal Democracy and Authoritarian Nationalism: Implications of the Ideological Stakes in the Russia-Ukraine War
The war is often described as a conflict between authoritarianism and liberal democracy. That reality has some underappreciated implications.
Many have called the war between Russia and Ukraine a conflict between liberal democracy and authoritarianism. President Biden certainly has. For his part, Vladimir Putin is a longtime enemy of Western liberal values - which he considers pernicious and obsolete - and has often framed the war as a struggle against them. This framing is largely accurate. And it strengthens the case for pushing for the most decisive possible Ukrainian victory.
When it comes to liberal democracy and associated respect for human rights, there is indeed a vast chasm between the two sides. That was evident from the beginning. Even before February 24, 2022, Putin's Russia was a repressive authoritarian state guilty of severe human rights violations, while Ukraine - despite some notable flaws - was a democracy with far less in the way of rights violations. It has become even more clear after a year of fighting in which Russian forces have committed horrific human rights violations such as mass murder of civilians, large-scale forcible deportations, and even the kidnapping of thousands of children. These atrocities against Ukrainians have been accompanied by increasing repression within Russia itself, including shutting down almost all opposition media, and prison terms for even referring to the conflict as a "war" rather than a "special military operation" (the preferred Kremlin euphemism). Ukraine's war record includes some unjust illiberal policies. But nothing even remotely comparable to Russia's.
If nothing else, we should believe the powerful evidence of people voting with their feet. The Russian invasion resulted in the flight of millions of Ukrainians; growing repression in Russia, combined with Putin's "partial mobilization" has led hundreds of thousands of Russians to flee, as well. By contrast, when Ukraine recaptures territory, only a small handful of collaborators choose to leave with the retreating Russian forces.
The most obvious implication of the vast moral chasm between the two sides is that a Ukrainian victory is necessary to prevent further horrific atrocities and repression. If Ukraine is forced to leave any of its territory in Russian hands, the people trapped there will be subjected to further cruel oppression. They are likely to be much better off under Ukrainian rule, even if the latter is by no means ideal.
A less obvious implication is the potential impact of a Ukrainian or Russian victory on world opinion. The former could give a worldwide boost to liberal democratic ideology. The latter would likely have the opposite effect.
Historically, victory in war has often boosted support for the ideology of the winners. The triumph of the American Revolution increased support for Enlightenment liberalism on both sides of the Atlantic, in the process advancing causes such as democratization and the abolition of slavery. The Bolshevik Revolution and subsequent Communist victories in the Russian Civil War and World War II greatly increased worldwide support for Marxism. Similarly, Mussolini and Hitler's early successes won new adherents for fascism.
By contrast, the crushing defeat of the Axis in World War II led to a collapse of support for fascist ideology, including even in Germany and Italy. The Soviet Union's defeat in the Cold War (admittedly only partly military) and subsequent collapse greatly weakened the appeal of communism.
Both of these lists can easily be extended. Throughout human history, ideologies have risen and fallen in part based on success and failure in military and geopolitical conflict.
Much of this reflects irrational factors in public opinion formation. Victory in war doesn't actually tell us much about the merits of the winner's ideology. Might does not make right.
If Germany had won World War II, that would not have somehow proven that Nazism is good and just. It would simply have enabled the Nazi regime to perpetrate even greater evil. The communist victory in Russia set the stage for decades of massive oppression in every nation that tried to imitate the Bolshevik experiment.
But in a world where public opinion is heavily influenced by ignorance and bias, people routinely use crude information shortcuts to make political judgments. One such shortcut is the presumption that it's good to be on winning side. If adherents of an ideology prevail in a high-profile war, there must be something to their ideas! Such biases may be reinforced by the fallacious, but widespread assumptions that it's necessarily good to be "on the right side of history" and that the "arc of the moral universe bends towards justice." If so, one way of telling which side has a just cause is by looking to see who wins!
Given this dynamic, a decisive Ukrainian victory is likely to give a strong boost to liberal ideology, while a Russian one would boost authoritarian nationalism. More so than any other major conflict since the Cold War, this one is widely (and in large part correctly) perceived as a clash between these ideologies. A Ukrainian victory could even help discredit authoritarian nationalism within Russia itself, just as defeat in World War I discredited the ideology of the czars, and defeat in the Cold War helped undermine Communism. If so, we might end up with a more liberal and less menacing Russia. That would be a great boon to Russians, Ukrainians, and Westerners alike.
The unexpected success of Ukrainian resistance and the poor performance of Russian forces has already weakened the appeal of Putin's ideology, at the margin. Before the war, some Western conservatives, such as Sen. Ted Cruz, liked to contrast Russia's supposedly manly army with the allegedly "woke" and "enmasculated" US military, filled with "pansies." Western admirers of Putin's Russia were often attracted to its seeming strength - a perception boosted by Putin's seemingly triumphant seizure of Crimea and parts of the Donbass in 2014. Such attraction is far less common today, and might disappear almost completely if Ukraine prevails in the current conflict.
It doesn't follow that pursuing military victory is the exclusive means of winning the war of ideas against Putin's nationalist authoritarianism. We should also do what we can to differentiate between the Russian government and ordinary Russians, avoiding imputations of collective ethnic guilt. Along similar lines, we should welcome Russians fleeing Putin, which can boost Western prospects in both the ideological and military struggle. But helping Ukraine prevail on the battlefield is nonetheless crucial. History strongly suggests there is likely to be an ideological impact that goes far beyond the nations most immediately involved.
The considerations covered above aren't the only factors that should be considered in determining Western policy regarding the war. Obviously, there are also questions about the cost and likelihood of achieving any given degree of victory. I cannot properly assess those issues here, and will not even try. The world has enough armchair generals already.
But Ukraine's impressive battlefield performance so far suggests that it might achieve further success. And the ideological and moral dimensions of the conflict at least strengthen the case for pushing for a more sweeping Ukrainian victory than we might want to pursue otherwise.
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Sadly, I think this is the way the world is lining up with more authoritarian regimes siding with the Russian. Even in our own country the members of the authoritarian caucus oppose supporting Ukraine. Too many people even in our own country see Western liberal and democratic values as pernicious and obsolete. And just as many in the west saw Hilter as the bulwark against communism before WWII, too many today see Putin as the bulwark against rising liberal and democratic ideas.
Unfortunately there is a short-sighted alliance between the group you speak of and the unrealistic strict isolationists who don't necessarily admire Putin so much as believe nothing that happens outside of US borders is of interest or concern and that if we ignore the world somehow it will ignore us.
You are utterly delusional. People are opposed to the Federals and Globalists precisely because they are promoting illiberal, undemocratic amd unnatural ideals.
Transing children, promoting degeneracy,encouraging broken families, color revolutions as in the Ukraine and the US, forcing people into “green” aka Agenda21 lifestyles, empty shelves, jogger worship, harmful “equity” mandates and “public health”/ climate tyranny may be your ideals, but they are definitely not liberal and democratic ones.
What an impressive piece of reactionary whining. Oh yes, Putin, master of disinformation and asymmetrical warfare, neither of which are doing him much good in Ukraine, it must be noted, will help you in the Great War On Woke.
Hmmm... Isn't it Biden & Co. who want to take away people's guns and ban "misinformation" and "hate speech"?
No, they don't want to do either. On the other hand, stripping libraries of books, banning black scholars and scholarship from academia and passing laws controlling what people wear and their access to health care purely because of who they are - now that's what I call authoritarianism.
Putin is just a run of the mill dictator, he has no ideology and his defeat or victory will have no ideological impact. Russian expansionism is not an ideology. This whole post is just nonsense.
Agreed.
Also, the whole post argues strenuously for "pushing" (whatever that means!) for a "sweeping Ukrainian victory" but then says "there are also questions about the cost and likelihood of achieving any given degree of victory. I cannot properly assess those issues here, and will not even try. . . "
Way to write a lot of words and say nothing.
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A "libertarian" for war. How 'bout that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ig2qZEiNv8
How can he be 'for' war? He opposes the invasion, which is the cause of the war.
I just came here to see who on earth would disagree and was not disappointed.
You know what would be interesting Prof? What's the value of free speech in a world full of people as ignorant and biased as you aptly describe them here?
Hey, Moderation4ever, isn't this an "authoritarian" sentiment?
Exactly how many more billions/trillions of dollars in warfare do you think we should fund, Mister champion of liberal values?
What's the annual US defence budget? Whatever the cumulative total of that is, apparently.
It seems we found a loophole in the 22nd Amendment and gave George W. Bush a third term.
In what possible way could this possibly seem like that?
Not unless the entire invasion turns out to have been faked, a la Wag the Dog.
Iirc, Putin finally called it a war a few to several weeks back.
I do not believe that millions of people fleeing an invasion is an extra data point for your “foot-voting” thing. Unless, of course, “I prefer not being killed by an invading army” is a political statement.
Ukrainian victory = Russia completely out of Ukraine
Russian victory = “Siri, what was ‘Ukraine?’”
Neither victory will be achieved through negotiations (unless something really crazy goes down in Moscow). And any negotiation that cedes any part of Ukraine to Putin will result in further negotiations to cede additional Ukrainian land to Russia in the not too distant future. Dude wants to reconstitute the “greatness” of the Soviet Union, which includes all of Ukraine. He would have preferred to do it all within a few days but I’m sure he’ll settle for piecemeal acquisition if he has to.
"Russia completely out of Ukraine"
Not US policy. We won't even let Ukraine launch any operations at all in Crimea, which is part of Ukraine. Nor will we provide modern airplanes.
I see those planes coming very soon, even if we aren't the supplier and ATACMS aren't far behind.
It not too hard to see either we supply Ukraine to fight on their soil or we will be fighting Russia on Eastern and Central European soil.
I figure every weapon sent to Ukraine represents one American life saved.
The 1960's called, wants its Dominos Theory back
He published it in his own bloody essay. It a safe bet that when a dictator tell you their goals to take them at their word. In this case he intends to reassemble the USSR in some form and to build a ring of buffer states again. It will not be permitted. By one means or another, he must and will be pushed back to the 91 borders.
Conquerors are not limited to a single era in world history.
"he intends to reassemble the USSR"
Yes. He's writing checks he can't cash though. We send some obsolescent and last generation equipment and he's been fought to a stand still and even pushed back.
Everyone overestimated Russian military prowess, but even so he always needed a weak or compliant US leader for those checks to really fly. Who knows? Trump might be in with a chance next time. Do you think he’ll run on withdrawing support for Ukraine? Lots of stuff about forever wars, saving money, Ukraine being full of Nazis, and how Putin's got the right idea about the woke menace?
Victory for Ukraine is Russia out of Ukraine. Like I said.
The triumph of the American Revolution increased support for Enlightenment liberalism on both sides of the Atlantic, in the process advancing causes such as democratization and the abolition of slavery.
Wow, self-importance much? The victory of the pro-slavery side in the Revolutionary War promoted the abolition of slavery? And I guess no one has heard about the French Revolution? (Which did abolish slavery, in 1794.)
"pro-slavery side in the Revolutionary War "
Both sides were pro-slavery. England had massive slavery in the sugar colonies.
Freeing slaves from rebels was a war tactic, that's it. Rebels freed slaves who fought for the rebellion.
To be fair the French Revolution was a perfect example of one going completely off the rails and eventually devouring itself.
It did, however lead to Napoleon which eventually led to the creation of the modern European Nation/State.
What the U.S. desperately needs is to become far less enmeshed and entangled in foreign affairs. Stop intervening so much, stop taking sides so much, stop sending trillions of dollars all over the world that we can't afford, stop borrowing against and destroying our grandchildren's future, stop obsessing about a border in some faraway land, stop trying to control and police the world.
If you are terribly concerned about freedom and liberty being valued around the globe, guess what? Try tending to your own backyard and minding your own business, and let your success be an attractive example, rather than the nonsensical idea of achieving freedom and liberty by imposition and coercion, or becoming hopelessly tied up in foreign entanglements.
"You are not to inquire how your trade may be increased, nor how you are to become a great and powerful people, but how your liberties can be secured; for liberty ought to be the direct end of your government." - Patrick Henry
Why do you hate Israel?
'Please get out of the way and let that nice Mr Putin do as he likes.'
"What the U.S. desperately needs is to become far less enmeshed and entangled in foreign affairs. "
Nice in theory. We sent troops twice in the last 100+ years to save Europe though.
Some obsolescent equipment and by our standards, a few dollars, is worth it so we don't have to do it again.
Meh. Some equipment to Ukraine, sure. It's already getting out of hand.
To paraphrase Trotsky:
"You may not be interested in the world, but the world is interested in you".
We cannot afford a repeat of the Sudetenland in 1938. That path only leads to global conflict, one in which millions of Americans will die.
Of course any stance of "less interventionism than the status quo please" is immediately equated to total isolationism.
Another one-way ratchet.
Maybe, the hubris of thinking you can intervene and control world events, often by bloodshed, will bring about the very things you sought to prevent. That's assuming good intentions.
control world events
Not control, maybe, but "strongly influence" certainly.
"the presumption that it's good to be on winning side"
Definite article missing.
I'm not sure I would describe Ukraine as a liberal democracy. Certainly more liberal and more democratic than Russia, but I think the two sides are closer to each other than to most western democracies.
Ukraine is more of a liberal democracy than Russia is; but it's actually quite similar to Russia in certain ways regarding corruption and authoritarianism.
What's driving this war is more a sense that Ukraine is entitled to be an independent sovereign state and not Russia's "little brother" who doesn't know what's best for it.
Ukraine is not as pluralistic as say America. But it does have different factions. The Azov types are NOT "liberal democrats." They aren't all or mostly Nazis either (though, some of their symbols are disturbing in their illiberality). They are more like America's Charlottesville marchers. They are socially conservative ethnonationalists.
But they ARE united with the more liberal democratic, Western Europe sympathetic Ukrainians in their fervent belief in Ukraine's right to self rule, separate from Russia's influence and control.
All I've learned is that there is no such thing as a left-wing anti-war movement. It was always a lie.
He wants to restore Russia to 1989 borders. That's it. Not every idea is an ideology.
It isn't really. I see it as more of a goal, a means to an end, if you will.
I see authoritarianism on the rise from all ideologies from most parts of the world today, Left and Right. One only need look at the last 3 years to see how quickly so called "free" countries suddenly turned to very authoritarian means to accomplish their goals.
That is not to say I support the Russian flavor, because I oppose it with every fiber of my being. It's not a binary thing. Saying one side is evil does not necessarily mean full support for the opposition of that evil.
Depends. There is a strong Pacifist wing within the Libertarian movement.
Yes, support as in acknowledging their moral right to do so.
Not just any war, but a war for liberalism against evil dictators all over the world. These dictators are some kind of group of evildoers...maybe we can call them an axis. Anyway, we're spreading good old American values. And this time, nobody will question that the enemy has WMDs!
It always struck me more as a justification after the fact. It's just not developed enough to be a full ideology. That would be like saying Communism can be summed up by "To each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" and leaving it at that.
Do you see all the stretching and leaving out stuff this comment had to do?
That's what happens when you're trying to equate stuff that isn't the same.
Oh, is that all?
That’s the entire Soviet bloc you jackass.
"He wants to restore Russia to 1989 borders. That’s it."
Still not an ideology. He's not restoring Communism.
That's not Russia's borders, that's the USSR's.
A very non-ideological thing!
Why would he want to restore Communism? Anti-woke oligarchic neoliberalism is working just fine for him.
Putin is not a Communist. If I wanted to label him with an "ism" I'd say he is a czarist, or maybe just a Russian imperialist.
USSR was a unitary state pretending to be a federation. None of the other "republics" had any autonomy, they were just administrative areas.
In Putin's mind, Ukraine and the Baltics etc were part of Russia, and still are.
Nothing ideological there!
Bob, I have no doubt that's what he believes. It's just that wars of territorial conquest on the European Continent in the 21st Century are completely unacceptable and must be rolled back and punished. Otherwise the lesson to the world is if you want to get your way and have the world tremble, all you need to do is build a few warheads.
You’re right.
Saddam Hussein was worse than Hitler,
https://apnews.com/article/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16
While Putin is only *like* Hitler,
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/russia-world-cup-england-withdrawal-16857938#
…but then, that was back in 2018. If Putin was Hitler in 2018, by now he must be Hitler Squared.
So maybe the two situations are the same…both worse than Hitler.
Lol! This guy has to bend so far to carry Putin's water he might be in danger of getting his face smacked by a speed bump!
Why are you carrying water for Eritrea and ignoring its aggression against Ethiopia in 1998-2000?
"According to a 2005 ruling by an international commission, Eritrea broke international law and triggered the war by invading Ethiopia."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean%E2%80%93Ethiopian_War
Could it be that the Ethiopians are not as...pale...as the Ukrainians?
I do, something that short is more of the mission statement, not a full blown ideology.
Neoliberalism means the opposite of whatever you think it means.