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Sixth Circuit Upholds Injunction Barring Air Force from Requiring COVID Vaccines for Religious Objectors
From the sounds of it, the Air Force's attorneys didn't think too carefully about how to respond to Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) claims.
Today the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit decided Doster v. Kendall, the federal government's appeal of district court decisions enjoining the Air Force from requiring that religious objectors obtain COVID-19 vaccines, and certifying a class of such objectors. The Sixth Circuit affirmed the lower court's decisions in an opinion by Judge Murphy, joined by Judges Bush and Kethledge.
Here is how Judge Murphy summarizes the issues and the court's decision:
The Department of the Air Force has ordered all of its over 500,000 service members to get vaccinated against COVID-19. Some 10,000 members with a wide array of duties have requested religious exemptions from this mandate. The Air Force has granted only about 135 of these requests and only to those already planning to leave the service. Yet it has granted thousands of other exemptions for medical reasons (such as a pregnancy or allergy) or administrative reasons (such as a looming retirement). The 18 Plaintiffs who filed this suit allege that the vaccine mandate substantially burdens their religious exercise in violation of the First Amendment and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA). Finding that these claims would likely succeed, the district court granted a preliminary injunction that barred the Air Force from disciplining the Plaintiffs for failing to take a vaccine. But its injunction did not interfere with the Air Force's operational decisions over the Plaintiffs' duties. The court then certified a class of thousands of similar service members and extended this injunction to the class.
The Air Force appeals the individual and class injunctions. Its briefs across the two appeals work at cross-purposes. In its challenge to the class-action certification, the Air Force (correctly) states that RFRA adopts an individual-by-individual approach: the Air Force must show that it has a compelling interest in requiring a "specific" service member to get vaccinated based on that person's specific duties and working conditions. Gonzales v. O Centro Espírita Beneficente União do Vegetal, 546 U.S. 418, 431 (2006). In its challenge to the Plaintiffs' injunction, however, the Air Force fails to identify the specific duties or working conditions of a single Plaintiff. It instead seeks to satisfy RFRA with the "general interests" underlying its vaccine mandate. Id. at 438. We are thus asked to deny that common questions exist for purposes of certifying a class but to accept that common answers exist for purposes of rejecting all 18 Plaintiffs' claims on their merits.
We decline this inconsistent invitation. Under RFRA, the Air Force wrongly relied on its "broadly formulated" reasons for the vaccine mandate to deny specific exemptions to the Plaintiffs, especially since it has granted secular exemptions to their colleagues. Id. at 431. We thus may uphold the Plaintiffs' injunction based on RFRA alone. The Air Force's treatment of their exemption requests also reveals common questions for the class: Does the Air Force have a uniform policy of relying on its generalized interests in the vaccine mandate to deny religious exemptions regardless of a service member's individual circumstances? And does it have a discriminatory policy of broadly denying religious exemptions but broadly granting secular ones? A district court can answer these questions in a "yes" or "no" fashion for the entire class. It can answer whether these alleged policies violate RFRA and the First Amendment in the same way. A ruling for the class also would permit uniform injunctive relief against the allegedly illegal policies. We affirm.
Based upon the court's opinion, it appears the government's attorneys had not fully thought through their theory of the case(s) and how the various arguments interact --and they got caught. This sort of problem is common in administrative law, where the strongest arguments for one claim may undermine the strongest arguments for another (e.g. claiming an agency action is not a rule may mean it's not a challengable "final agency action" and wasn't required to comply with APA Section 553, but such an argument also foregoes Chevron deference). It is the sort of thing lawyers need to watch out for, particularly when appearing before jurists like Judge Murphy.
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Religion > military-industrial complex. Glad we sorted that out.
By now practically everyone has either gotten the jab or gotten covid. The few and far between that don’t aren’t much risk of starting a new megapandemic unless covid mutates again which would put everyone back at square one anyway.
Continuing to ritualistically jab yourself over and over Just Cuz or you heard some high priest talking head tell you so without critically thinking about it yourself is as much a silly irrational cult fetish as anything.
Concur
At this point, it is pretty well established that the vaccine for the young and healthy provide little or no benefit.
I will add that it was pretty well known by the mid summer of 2021, that the vaccine provided little benefit for the young and healthy - at least by those who actually followed the science as compared to those that listened to the "experts".
Which is odd, since the Supreme Court has previously held the opposite…
Not in the context of RFRA.
Isn’t the point of the RFRA to restore the test that was in place when Goldman was decided?
The cynic in me thinks that the point of the RFRA was to give people with objections to some law an excuse to not have to follow it when no one would ever accept their real reason as an excuse.
Haha yeah, people don't have genuine religious beliefs!
haha yeah
You don't have much use for the rule of law, do you?
They got caught having two contradictory appeals at once. Who is your authority for saying this is ok, Lewis Carroll?
Constitutional Rights > Military-Industrial complex.
I expect to hear about those same 10,000 odd airmen objecting to all the other vaccines "made from aborted fetuses". That they've been taking for years. Without complaint.
Seriously folks, if you object to vaccines, don't join the military. This is about on par with not seeking employment at a pork-packing plant if you have a religious objection to touching pork.
Wow, weird. All these years I had the misguided notion the military had some higher purpose beyond just a captive-audience vaccination factory.
If you don't like taking orders, don't join the military. I spent four years taking stupid orders, and didn't re-up. Got several vaccines I'd never heard of.
If you don't like guns, don't join the military.
If you don't like uniforms, don't join the military.
If you don't like mind-numbing bureaucracy, don't join the military.
I joined during the Viet Nam war. When you volunteer to serve your country, your likes need to take a back seat for a while, but not your rights.
You do have rights, but not the same as those of a civilian. UCMJ has different due process. Military necessity and all that.
And speech - there were successful prosecution during Vietnam IIRC.
Eh, I don't like the results here but I think your angle is probably the worst one. It's far better to sort out legal issues in the military during a time when the military is volunteering. If you lean on "volunteers should not complain," then that all goes out the window once conscription comes in - and litigating these issues during a serious war could raise a "hard cases make bad law" problem. Much better to sort it out before it becomes a tactic to avoid a meat grinder.
If you don't like being treated equally as a minority or woman...don't join the military.
Is that how your argument works?
I mean, that was the case for a pretty long while.
It is always interesting to see bootlickers prostrate themselves before the government.
If you feel that obeying orders from the government makes you a prostrate bootlicker, you might want to avoid joining the military.
So leftists are suddenly gungho militarists and sticklers for command structure who want soldiers mindlessly obeying orders and never complaining no matter what?
Why don't you guys start walking back and apologizing for everything you've said for the past century about the military and gather all the Kubrick films and have a nice bonfire with them before lecturing everybody how the true military should act when apparently you can't figure it out yourselves.
"So leftists are suddenly gungho militarists and sticklers for command structure who want soldiers mindlessly obeying orders and never complaining no matter what?"
My impression is they like the idea of forcing a population of mostly rural conservatives to do whatever they tell them to. The military is the perfect petri dish for all of the leftist social experiments.
Echoes of the anger when they integrated the Services.
Deflect, dissemble and obfuscate. That’s all you’ve got.
What even is the argument here? That the military should be a place of individual liberty and vaccine skepticism?
There is no double standard in noting that the military has some requirements you gotta follow, and also is too big.
No, what you're doing is called projecting. I'm thinking more along the lines of Obama's forcing commanding officers to give mandatory transgender training to their troops, Biden forcing mandatory "extremism" training (i.e., if you hold mainstream conservative political preferences you are an extremist), Biden forcing mandatory "vaccination" (it isn't a vaccine), the introduction of leftist zampolits in every unit through various DEI initiatives, etc.
Again, you can replace what you're complaining about with integrating the force and your argument sounds exactly the same.
Crying that some military requirements promulgated from the Commander in Chief are things you don't agree with is not an argument, it's just a tantrum.
Yeah. "The Commander in Chief shouldn't give orders to military officers" is certainly a take.
Hey remember when Gen. Milli Vanilli secretly contacted our greatest military foe incase his CinC did something he didn't agree with?
Or Lt. Vindman on the NSC undermined the CinC because of something he didn't agree with?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Neither of those things happened.
So David has proclaimed, let it be written.
So prove him wrong, if you can.
zampolit - a deputy commander for political affairs in the Soviet Union.
Melodrama is always the sign you're arguing from logic and rationality.
They've always believed the serfs should prostrate themselves and bootlick the elites. When they didn't have all this institutional power they were just acting a different game.
Now they want the Federal Class to lord and rule over nearly every ounce of our lives while exempting the elites. They're the real bootlickers, and they want everyone else to be bootlicking the Federal elites with them.
Why don't you respond to what I actually said, rather then conflating me with the strawman in your head and responding to that?
I expect to hear about those same 10,000 odd airmen objecting to all the other vaccines “made from aborted fetuses”. That they’ve been taking for years. Without complaint.
Everything else about these religious objections to COVID vaccines should wait until this is resolved. The RFRA is supposed to be about sincere religious objections to having to follow otherwise generally applicable laws. Courts generally seem reluctant to actually examine the sincerity of the belief with any skepticism, but this is a pretty obvious question that deserves to be answered. What is the history of the person claiming the exemption on the exact same issue? Have they always objected to receiving vaccines with that particular tie to 'aborted fetuses'? If not, was it because they didn't know about how those vaccines were tested or manufactured, but they object to all of them now? If they are still only objecting to the COVID vaccines, wouldn't it be reasonable to doubt that their objections are due to their religious beliefs and are instead about political tribalism objecting to anything COVID-related?
Where Jason can instantly assess the sincerity of these objections and deem them ALL not sincere? Except for the tiny minority who were leaving the service anyway?
I don't think courts should be making nuanced sincerity determinations, but also lets not be disingenuous.
Many of these individual findings of anti-Covid vaccine faith are quite tailored and conveniently timed.
Not so a court can determine, but we all know what's going on, AL.
I don’t think courts should be making nuanced sincerity determinations, but also lets not be disingenuous.
Right. I don't see anything particularly nuanced about this question. If these people objecting to this vaccine mandate hadn't objected before to medical treatments just as reliant on fetal cell lines in their testing, development, or production, then it is pretty reasonable to wonder why. If they answer that they didn't know about those connections before, then that should be acceptable proof of their sincerity, so long as they also say that they would object to any other medical treatment with similar reliance in the future and not just these vaccines.
Where Jason can instantly assess the sincerity of these objections and deem them ALL not sincere?
I didn't "assess" anyone as not sincere. I am highly skeptical because the RFRA has been around for a lot longer than COVID vaccines and there have been prominent SCOTUS cases relying on it since well before COVID as well. So, if something in these vaccines or the way they were tested was objectionable to these people, then so should have all kinds of medical treatments and advances.* Someone suddenly having a religious objection to something that they had no doubt encountered many times in their life before that without any objection is kind of odd, at best. I am saying that the question doesn't even seem to be asked here by those on the side of the objectors.
*“So many people don’t realize how important fetal cell lines are to develop life-saving medicines and vaccines that they rely on every day,” Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told National Geographic. “Their use in developing COVID-19 vaccines isn’t anything different or special.”
And just to be clear, we are talking about cell lines derived from fetal or embryonic tissue decades ago, not tissue directly taken from a fetus. The mRNA vaccines were not manufactured using such cell lines, either, but one such cell line was used in the testing phase. A cell line that may have come from an aborted fetus or it may have come from one resulting from a miscarriage, by the way; it doesn't seem to be known for certain.
The COVID vaccine is not a vaccine, at least not in any sense of the word as it was understood before December 2020. Comparing and contrasting people's willingness to take other (true) vaccines with this new thing is pretty disingenuous.
Everything about that is a false idiot MAGA talking point, and it's also irrelevant to the point.
What is the vaccine's efficacy against any outcome after four months? Is that supported by any data from humans, or just from eight lab mice?
You’re free to believe what you want but it is your answer that is false and irrelevant. The Covid “vaccines” are touted by their creators as the first mRNA “vaccines”. They do not use killed or weaken virus as previous vaccines have done and no previous vaccines (that I’m aware of) required multiple “boosters” to remain effective.
...You should look into getting your Tetanus booster.
...once every ten years.
Which evicerates your dumbass 'it's not a vaccine' take above.
Tell me how once every ten years equates to once every ten weeks.
If you find yourself putting arbitrary timeline thresholds into your vaccine definition, that's a sign you're tailoring for an argument you want to make, not defining anything.
Maybe I had really idiosyncratic schooling, but as I learned it, vaccines are defined by their mechanism of action. All this sweaty outcome-related faffing about is trying to retcon the right's new Covid vaccine nonsense into correctness.
Sacastro -
Big difference with tenanus
10 years vs max of 4 months - and even during those 4 months only 80% effectiveness against serious illness. Virtually zero effectiveness after 6-8 months
10 years vs max of 4 months – and even during those 4 months only 80% effectiveness against serious illness. Virtually zero effectiveness after 6-8 months
This is not at all true. This didn't take long to find.
In the omicron period, vaccine effectiveness against covid-19 requiring admission to hospital was 89% (95% confidence interval 88% to 90%) within two months after dose 3 but waned to 66% (63% to 68%) by four to five months. Vaccine effectiveness of three doses against emergency department or urgent care visits was 83% (82% to 84%) initially but waned to 46% (44% to 49%) by four to five months. Waning was evident in all subgroups, including young adults and individuals who were not immunocompromised; although waning was more in people who were immunocompromised. Vaccine effectiveness increased among most groups after a fourth dose in whom this booster was recommended.
It's an irrefutable fact that pre-COVID this type of treatment was a classified as a therapeutic, post COVID it's classified as a vaccine.
They literally redefined "vaccine".
Talk more about purebloods.
Engage with the argument or do not post.
No.
BCD made a dumbass post and I'm going to drag him for it.
If you don't like it, take it up with the Internet Police.
Nothing "dumbass" or inaccurate about it.
You dispute my claim that the vaccine definition was changed and that prior to that change what COVID vaccines do today was best classified as a therapeutic?
Sure, I dispute it. There was no such "definition" of a vaccine. There was a description on a website that was clarified in light of new developments.
It's like seeing something "defining" "automobile" as "a passenger vehicle designed for operation on ordinary roads and typically having four wheels and a gasoline or diesel internal-combustion engine." And then someone points out, "Hey, wait: this would mean that a Tesla isn't an automobile since it doesn't have an ICE, or an engine at all." And the response is, "Well, you're right; we need to clarify that. We'll change that website to say, "a road vehicle, typically with four wheels, powered by an internal combustion engine or electric motor and able to carry a small number of people."
Did someone nefariously "change the definition" of automobile in that situation? No. A Tesla was obviously a car. They simply clarified, in light of a new situation, what was part of the essence of a car and what was merely a characteristic of previous cars. Previous vaccines were made from live or dead viruses. But that was merely a characteristic of those vaccines, not the essence of them. Making them a different way didn't mean that they weren't vaccines.
"There was a description on a website that was clarified in light of new developments."
It was a description on the CDC website under the heading "DEFINITION OF TERMS" lmao
http://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
Which of course means it wasn't a definition, it was a mere description on a website!
What new developments, dude?
Okay, I'll engage with the argument: it's a lie, completely fabricated.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html
There's support for my claim. Support yours.
Great you found that they changed a word. Why did they do that? You seem to think that the COVID vaccines aren't effective the way that 'real' vaccines are, so they changed the standard used to judge their effectiveness to cover that up.
I understand the word "immunity" to a pathogen meaning that the body's immune system is primed to recognize and attack the pathogen as soon as the person is exposed to it, rather than the immune system having to play catch up when it encounters something it hasn't seen before. For many, if not most, of the diseases that we get vaccinated for, that means that our immune response is strong enough to prevent symptomatic infection a very high percentage of the time. That causes some people to associate the protection of vaccines with "immunity" in the sense of it being impossible to become infected, which I don't think is ever true of any infectious disease. Thus, changing from "immunity" to "protection" is about recognizing how people might misunderstand the words. It is not a change in the standard used to judge the effectiveness of COVID vaccines versus other vaccines.
It doesn't prevent infection. It doesn't limit transmission. It is not a vaccine.
Well it might work if you always wear a mask and avoid all human contact.
Not the definition of vaccine. It has never been a definitional requirement that all vaccines are sterilizing vaccines.
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"Not the definition of vaccine. It has never been a definitional requirement that all vaccines are sterilizing vaccines."
Technically you are correct - it is a vaccine.
However as a practical matter , its barely as good as a temporary flu shot.
...only that they work.
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vaccine [vak-sēn´]
a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria, or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious diseases.
anthrax vaccine a cell-free protein extract of cultures of Bacillus anthracis, used for immunization against anthrax.
attenuated vaccine a vaccine prepared from live microorganisms or viruses cultured under adverse conditions, leading to loss of their virulence but retention of their ability to induce protective immunity.
autogenous vaccine a vaccine prepared from microorganisms which have been freshly isolated from the lesion of the patient who is to be treated with it.
bacterial vaccine a preparation of killed or attenuated bacteria used as an active immunizing agent.
BCG vaccine see bcg vaccine.
cholera vaccine a preparation of killed Vibrio cholerae, administered intradermally, subcutaneously, or intramuscularly for immunization against cholera.
diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine DTP vaccine: a combination of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine; administered intramuscularly for simultaneous immunization against diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough. When the pertussis vaccine is an acellular form, the combination may be abbreviated DTaP.
diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine adsorbed and Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine a combination of diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, pertussis vaccine, and Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine; administered intramuscularly to children 18 months to 5 years of age for simultaneous immunization against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, and infection by Haemophilus influenzae type b.
DTP vaccine diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine.
Haemophilus b conjugate vaccine (HbCV) a preparation of Haemophilus influenzae type b capsular polysaccharide covalently bound to diphtheria toxoid or to a specific diphtheria protein, meningococcal protein, or tetanus protein; it stimulates both B and T lymphocyte responses and is much more immunogenic than the polysaccharide vaccine. Administered intramuscularly as a routine immunizing agent in infants and young children.
Haemophilus b polysaccharide vaccine (HbPV) a preparation of highly purified capsular polysaccharide derived from Haemophilus influenzae type b, which stimulates an immune response in B lymphocytes only; administered intramuscularly or subcutaneously as an immunizing agent in children ages 18 months to 5 years.
hepatitis A vaccine inactivated an inactivated whole virus vaccine derived from an attenuated strain of hepatitis A virus grown in cell culture; administered intramuscularly.
hepatitis B vaccine a preparation of hepatitis B surface antigen, derived either from human plasma of carriers of hepatitis B (hepatitis B vaccine inactivated) or from cloning in yeast cells (hepatitis B vaccine [recombinant]); administered intramuscularly.
heterologous vaccine a vaccine that confers protective immunity against a pathogen that shares cross-reacting antigens with the microorganisms in the vaccine.
human diploid cell vaccine rabies vaccine prepared from rabies virus grown in cultures of human diploid embryo lung cells and inactivated; administered intramuscularly or intradermally.
influenza virus vaccine a killed virus vaccine used in immunization against influenza; it is trivalent, usually containing two influenza A virus strains and one influenza B virus strain.
live vaccine a vaccine prepared from live microorganisms that have been attenuated but retain their immunogenic properties.
Lyme disease vaccine (recombinant OspA) a preparation of outer surface protein A (OspA), a cell surface lipoprotein of Borrelia burgdorferi, produced by recombinant technology; administered intramuscularly for active immunization against lyme disease.
measles, mumps, and rubella virus vaccine live (MMR) a combination of live attenuated measles, mumps, and rubella viruses, administered subcutaneously for simultaneous immunization against measles, mumps, and rubella.
measles and rubella virus vaccine live a combination of live attenuated measles and rubella viruses, administered subcutaneously for simultaneous immunization against measles and rubella.
measles virus vaccine live a live attenuated virus vaccine used for immunization against measles, although it is usually administered as the combination measles, mumps, and rubella virus vaccine.
meningococcal polysaccharide vaccine a preparation of a capsular antigen of Neisseria meningitidis, administered subcutaneously to provide immunity to meningitis.
mumps virus vaccine live a live attenuated virus vaccine used in immunization against mumps; usually administered as the combination measles, mumps, and rubella virus vaccine.
pertussis vaccine a preparation of killed Bordetella pertussis bacilli (whole-cell vaccine) or of purified antigenic components thereof (acellular vaccine), used to immunize against pertussis; generally used in combination with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids (DTP or DTaP).
plague vaccine a preparation of killed Yersinia pestis bacilli, administered intramuscularly as an active immunizing agent against plague.
pneumococcal heptavalent conjugate vaccine a preparation of capsular polysaccharides from the seven serotypes of Streptococcus pneumoniae most commonly isolated from children 6 years of age or younger, coupled to a nontoxic variant of diphtheria toxin; used as an active immunizing agent for infants and children at risk for pneumococcal disease, administered intramuscularly.
pneumococcal vaccine polyvalent a preparation of purified capsular polysaccharides from the 23 serotypes of Streptococcus pneumoniae causing the majority of pneumococcal disease; used as an active immunizing agent in persons over 2 years of age, administered intramuscularly.
poliovirus vaccine inactivated (IPV) a preparation of killed polioviruses of three types, given in a series of intramuscular or subcutaneous injections to immunize against poliomyelitis. It does not induce intestinal immunity and so is not effective for poliovirus eradication in areas where wild-type polioviruses still exist in large numbers. However, it does not cause vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis and so is preferred for routine immunization in areas where the risk of infection by a wild-type poliovirus is very low, as in the United States. Called also Salk vaccine.
poliovirus vaccine live oral (OPV) an oral vaccine against poliomyelitis consisting of three types of live, attenuated polioviruses. It is given orally, often on a sugar cube, and so is convenient for administration to children and large groups of people. It induces both humoral and intestinal immunity, so is useful for immunization and poliomyelitis eradication in areas where wild-type polioviruses have not been eradicated. However, it can cause vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis in persons newly vaccinated with it and their contacts, which is considered an unjustifiable risk in countries such as the United States, where the risk of exposure to wild-type polioviruses is very low. Thus, for routine immunization in the United States, it has been superseded by poliovirus vaccine inactivated. Called also Sabin vaccine.
polyvalent vaccine a vaccine prepared from cultures or antigens of more than one strain or species.
purified chick embryo cell vaccine an inactivated virus vaccine used for pre- and postexposure rabies immunization, prepared from rabies virus grown in cultures of chicken fibroblasts; administered intramuscularly.
rabies vaccine any of various vaccines against rabies consisting of inactivated virus, used for preexposure immunization to persons at high risk of exposure, such as veterinarians, and for postexposure prophylaxis in conjunction with rabies immune globulin. See human diploid cell v., purified chick embryo cell v., and rabies v. adsorbed.
rabies vaccine adsorbed (RVA) a rabies vaccine prepared from rabies virus grown in cultures of fetal rhesus monkey lung and inactivated; administered intramuscularly.
rotavirus vaccine live oral a live virus vaccine produced from a mixture of four types of rotavirus, used to immunize infants against rotaviral gastroenteritis.
rubella and mumps virus vaccine live a combination of live attenuated rubella and mumps viruses, administered subcutaneously for simultaneous immunization against rubella and mumps.
rubella virus vaccine live a live attenuated virus vaccine used for immunization against rubella, usually administered as the combination measles, mumps, and rubella virus vaccine.
Sabin vaccine poliovirus vaccine live oral.
Salk vaccine poliovirus vaccine inactivated.
subunit vaccine a vaccine produced from specific protein subunits of a virus and thus having less risk of adverse reactions than whole virus vaccines.
typhoid vaccine any of several preparations of Salmonella typhi used for immunization against typhoid fever, including a parenteral heat- and phenol-inactivated bacteria vaccine, an oral live vaccine prepared from the attenuated strain Ty21a, and a parenteral vaccine prepared from typhoid Vi capsular polysaccharide.
varicella virus vaccine live a preparation of live, attenuated human herpesvirus 3 (varicella-zoster virus) administered subcutaneously for production of immunity to varicella and herpes zoster.
yellow fever vaccine a preparation of attenuated yellow fever virus, used to immunize against yellow fever.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
I'm not gonna read all that.
But discussions of how specific vaccines are prepared is not really a definition. Nor is it relevant to the definition of the general term.
Sarcastro is not going to actually read anything scientific -
At least your consistent - with your lack of any ability to grasp science. Explains a lot
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html
Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”
Definition of drug therapy:
Treatment with any substance, other than food, that is used to prevent, diagnose, treat, or relieve symptoms of a disease or abnormal condition.
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/drug-therapy
Where would what the current COVID vaccines be better cataloged? In the old definition of vaccine, or in the definition of drug therapy?
Bootlicker.
Except plenty of previous vaccines did not produce immunity. Look it up.
So yeah, the previous definition was wrong, and changed to reflect how vaccines have actually been used.
"Except plenty of previous vaccines did not produce immunity."
If there are "plenty", how about a few examples? Since you supposedly know of them that should be easy.
What evidence do you have to support you claim that was the reason why the definition changed?
Chickenpox has breakthroughs. So does the flu varieties included in that year's vaccine.
Google for just a moment.
BCD, if we knew about chicken pox, and we did, then the definition was corrected, not changed.
You're problem, Sarcastr0, as is usual is that you're ignorant of the facts and just guessing and assuming the people wearing the boots you love to lick aren't corruptable.
We have seen emails of their conversations about changing the definition through FOIA requests.
Guess what they don't say? Anything near your rationalizations.
https://technofog.substack.com/p/cdc-emails-our-definition-of-vaccine
You're pretending I said they didn't change the website. That's not what I said.
It does both of those things.
So it's like Shimmer; a floor wax and a dessert topping.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625
David - Kleppe is correct - at this point you know the efficiency of the vaccine is weak, especially for the young and healthy which is vast majority of the military.
Yet in spite of the vast knowledge that has existed since the summer of 2021 reflecting the inefficiency of vaccine, you keep ignoring the actual science.
You blasted the Israeli study showing the inefficiency of the vaccine in the summer of 2021, and continue to tout the effectiveness of the vaccine even though virtually every subsequent study supports the conclusions reached in the Israeli study.
In your defense there are lots of studies that have artificially short study periods which are designed hide the rapid decline in effectiveness, though most individuals catch the deception in those studies.
No, you're just continuing to be wrong about Covid, due to your misplaced faith in a blog that cherry picks preprints.
Sacastro –
Care to point out anything in my statement which is incorrect – you cant because you lack any basic understanding of the science.
Note that not only not a single one of those "preprints have been rejected. Also note that subsequent studies have validated those studies
Before commenting further - you might actually try to get up to speed on the science.
This is the same dance you do with me, DMN, Noscitur, Nige, Don, etc. etc.
You make high-handed claims of expertise and everyone else's ignorance. This is dickish behavior, and also wrong; you have no special insight above everyone else.
You don't even know what preprints are and where they fit in scientific inquiry.
Beyond preprints, I enjoy when you call the CDC is wrong, and then rely on them whenever they agree with your priors.
Before commenting further – you might actually try to get up to speed on the science.
You don't need to write like this. That you do says a lot about your need to try and be intellectually dominant than it does about your or my understanding.
I've dealt with people that take a tone like you do professionally. Though they have credentials to back them up, which actually makes it worse.
It's one of the only unpleasant aspects of my job.
I try and avoid inviting such folks to any kind of collaborative events, because they are needlessly alienating and disruptive.
This is the same dance you do with me, DMN, Noscitur, Nige, Don, etc. etc.
Of the group mention, Only Don Nico has demonstrated a good grasp of the science and an understanding of the math. He should be commended. The others not so much.
But Don also thinks you're wrong, so dunno what you're seeking to gain by talking him up.
I did not "blast" the Israeli study. Indeed, I didn't even criticize it; unlike you, I don't go around critiquing scientific studies 100% outside my SME based on nothing more than a blog by some guy who also has no SME. I blasted you for cherrypicking non-peer-reviewed studies based on nothing more than a blog by some guy who also has no SME.
I also blasted you for fabricating stuff about natural immunity.
David -
A) Yes you did blast the Israeli study back in august/Sept 2021 when it first came out. You blasted it multiple times partly at the time because it wasnt yet peer reviewed. yet the israeli study has proven to be robust contrary to what the CDC was promoting at the time.
B) - Yes I did cite a blog linked to multitude of pre - prints of studies. which obviously were not "peer reviewed" at the time of release. let me know which one of those "cherrypicked " studies have proven to be incorrect. Multitude of "peer reviewed " studies posted on the CDC website have significant flaws. Its not my fault you lack the basic skills to ascertain the validity of those studies.
Nope.
Here's a hint: I am rarely subtle. If I were going to "blast" the Israeli study in question, you'd see language like, "That study is a joke; the people who conducted it are anti-vax kooks, and its flaws are so obvious that Helen Keller could spot them." But I didn't say anything like that. I said, "Why do you keep relying solely on a single non-peer-reviewed study that you found on some rando's blog that can't even bear the weight of the claims you're making?"
Calling it "non-peer-reviewed" is not "blasting" it. It's not saying that it's wrong. It's saying that it is error to rely on it before people have dug into it to test its reliability. (Of course, a study passing peer review is not a guarantee that it's correct, but at least it has been vetted by SME.)
And noting that one could not generalize about vaccines from a single study about one particular vaccine is also not blasting the study.
Or going to work at a religious school if you're a flaming homosexual!
... wait...
COVID-19 vaccine to blame for Southern Tier man’s death: Deputy Coroner https://www.mytwintiers.com/news-cat/local-news/i-dont-know-what-else-to-do-or-where-to-even-go-from-here-covid-19-vaccine-to-blame-for-southern-tier-mans-death/
Death of boy, 14, three weeks after Covid jab of 'significant public concern' - coroner https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/death-boy-14-three-weeks-28552475
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I would place some doubt on the conclusions in the report .
the risk of myocarditis from the vax is extremely low for young males (not zero) and approximately the same level of risk as getting myocarditis from a natural infection. Fwiw, for Sarcastro and David N information, that info is coming from same blog that you two continue to ignore.
The bigger question is why someone in that age group would get the vaccine since the risk of an adverse health result is trivial. There is virtually zero benefit, even for a short term period. The only reason to get the vax in that age group is if the young adult and/or child is already suffering from a life threating illness.
Because these types of suits were squarely cut off on the merits under the pre-Smith “Yarmulke case,” their entertainment by lower courts represents evidence that under the Alito interpretation, the net effect of Smith is to provide greater protection to religion than pre-Smith law.
It’s part of promotion, and advancement, but somewhat hidden.
First, that's not relevant to my point about history.
Second, you're utterly wrong. I know people in the military, and race is quite transparently not a factor. There is some concern with a whitening as you go up in rank, actually.