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A Quick Breakdown Of The Right To Contraception Act
In the wake of Dobbs, the Democratic-controlled House is passing a flurry of bills to "codify" constitutional rights that are not really in jeopardy. Yesterday, I wrote about the Respect For Marriage Act, which would require a state to recognize same-sex marriages performed in another state. This bill passed with more than forty votes from Republicans. Today, the House passed The Right to Contraception Act. Here, only eight Republicans crossed over. Let's walk through the bill.
First, the bill creates a statutory right to access contraception and contraceptive. These terms are defined quote broadly:
(1) CONTRACEPTION.—The term ''contraception'' means an action taken to prevent pregnancy, including the use of contraceptives or fertility-awareness based methods, and sterilization procedures.
(2) CONTRACEPTIVE.—The term ''contraceptive'' means any device or medication used to prevent pregnancy, whether specifically used to prevent pregnancy or for other health needs, including all contraceptive products approved, cleared, or granted de novo classification by the Food and Drug Administration, such as oral contraceptives, long-acting reversible contraceptives, emergency contraceptives, internal and external condoms, injectables, vaginal barrier methods, transdermal patches, and vaginal rings, or other contraceptives.
During the Hobby Lobby litigation, many religious rights groups viewed certain forms of FDA-approved contraceptives, like Plan B and Ella, as abortifacients that can operate after the point of fertilization. As I read the bill, all of these forms of emergency contraception would be covered. Moreover, I wonder if the FDA could later redefine abortion pills as a form of contraceptive--after all they "prevent pregnancy" from continuing.
Second, the bill explains that both the health care provider and the patient have this statutory right:
A person has a statutory right under this Act to obtain contraceptives and to engage in contraception, and a health care provider has a corresponding right to provide contraceptives, contraception, and information related to contraception.
And the bill explains that federal and state governments cannot interfere with a health care provider's ability to provide contraception.
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize any government to interfere with a health care provider's ability to provide contraceptives or information related to contraception or a patient's ability to obtain contraceptives or to engage in contraception.
How far does this bill go? If a state requires a prescription to obtain certain forms of contraception, would those laws be preempted? Could a state still grant religious hospitals the ability to opt-out of providing emergency contraception or sterilization? Or would that exemption be preempted? (Litigation is ongoing about sterilization procedures with respect to trans patients.)
Third, the bill also extends to providing contraception-related information.
(b) LIMITATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS.—The statutory rights specified in subsection (a) shall not be limited or otherwise infringed through any limitation or requirement that— (1) expressly, effectively, implicitly, or as implemented singles out the provision of contraceptives, contraception, or contraception-related information; health care providers who provide contraceptives, contraception, or contraception-related information; or facilities in which contraceptives, contraception, or contraception-related information are provided; and (2) impedes access to contraceptives, contraception, or contraception-related information.
I'm not entirely sure what this provision is getting at, but one thought: school sex-ed programs may be affected to the extent that some programs limit information about contraception at certain ages. Do kindergartners now have a statutory right to learn about the morning-after pill? There may also be some compelled speech issues here.
Fourth, the bill suggests that any laws burdening contraception would be reviewed with something like strict scrutiny. This language borrows from RFRA's "least-restrictive alternative" framework.
To defend against a claim that a limitation or requirement violates a health care provider's or patient's statutory rights under subsection (b), a party must establish, by clear and convincing evidence, that— (1) the limitation or requirement significantly advances access to contraceptives, contraception, and information related to contraception; and (2) access to contraceptives, contraception, and information related to contraception or the health of patients cannot be advanced by a less restrictive alternative measure or action.
Speaking of RFRA, fifth, this bill supersedes RFRA, and preempts all state laws!
Except as stated under subsection (b), this Act supersedes and applies to the law of the Federal Government and each State government, and the implementation of such law, whether statutory, common law, or otherwise, and whether adopted before or after the date of enactment of this Act, and neither the Federal Government nor any State government shall administer, implement, or enforce any law, rule, regulation, standard, or other provision having the force and effect of law that conflicts with any provision of this Act, notwithstanding any other provision of Federal law, including the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.).
I wonder if this bill would abrogate Hobby Lobby and related cases? I don't think a religious exemption to the ACA's contraceptive mandate based on RFRA could even work under this regime.
Sixth, this bill expressly waives sovereign immunity to permit suits against the states:
Neither a State that enforces or maintains, nor a government official (including a person described in section 6(c)) who is permitted to implement or enforce any limitation or requirement that violates section 4 shall be immune under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Eleventh Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, or any other source of law, from an action in a Federal or State court of competent jurisdiction challenging that limitation or requirement.
I'll come back to the sovereign immunity abrogation argument in a bit.
Seventh, and finally, the bill identifies three potential jurisdictional hooks:
(16) Congress has the authority to enact this Act to protect access to contraception pursuant to—
(A) its powers under the commerce clause of section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States;
(B) its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States to enforce the provisions of section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment; and
(C) its powers under the necessary and proper clause of section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States.
The bill includes two perfunctory findings about interstate commerce:
(14) People engage in interstate commerce to access contraception services.
(15) To provide contraception services, health care providers employ and obtain commercial services from doctors, nurses, and other personnel who engage in interstate commerce and travel across State lines.
Are these findings enough to pass the Lopez/Morrison line? They are light, and there is no clear demonstration of how dispensing contraception in a single state fits into these sparse findings. Nor is there any discussion of how this bill fits into some broader regulatory scheme.
Next, let's turn to sovereign immunity. Per Seminole Tribe, Congress cannot waive sovereign immunity under its Commerce Clause and Necessary and Proper Clause powers. But Congress could use its Section 5 enforcement powers to abrogate sovereign immunity. Is this bill, under Boerne v. Flores, a "congruent and proportional" means to remedy a violation of Section 1, as defined by the Supreme Court? The findings of the bill hint at cases like Griswold, Eisenstadt, and others. But the actual operation of the bill seems to go far beyond what those cases actually held. The fact that there may be some unenumerated right to access contraception, emanating from a penumbra, does not mean there is an unfettered right to access contraception without regard to prescriptions and other reasonable state regulations. I think this bill exceeds what the Supreme Court has identified with regard to a right of contraception. Moreover, this bill would eliminate a state's longstanding ability to regulate, consistent with Griswold, access to certain forms of emergency contraception. This bill would likely flunk the Boerne test.
And what happens if Griswold is overruled (which will never happen)? In that situation, the bill would clearly flunk the Boerne test, as a ban on contraception would not violate Section 1. I don't see how there can be any meaningful waiver of sovereign immunity here.
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One out of nine justices signaled he wants to overrule Griswold. Four other existing justices lied in front of Congress when they said that they didn't plan to overrule Roe - perhaps they lied about this too. Maybe not now, but in a few years. This is what right-wingers have been caterwauling about for decades now, "let the people decide these important issues!" But wait - maybe not.
None of them said that.
I would say this is an unsettled point because the justices did indicate that Roe v Wade was settled law.
But Barrett was quite specific that Roe was as subject to being overturned as any other precedent.
What they each said was a permutation of “I respect *correctly decided* precedent.” Problem is, generally all The Media, pundits, and senators heard was “I respect… precedent” and acted accordingly.
Yes.
And I don't understand why the nominees can't be asked about, and be expected to answer, questions about past decisions.
Surely anyone even remotely qualified to sit on the Supreme Court has an opinion on major controversial cases, especially relatively recent ones. And it's not going to be, or shouldn't be, an uninformed opinion either.
Why should it be considered inappropriate to ask nominees what their opinion is?
They absolutely can be asked about past decisions, and were, and answered the questions.
What they refuse to do is commit in advance to how they'd decide FUTURE decisions. Including, generally, decisions about whether to overturn past decisions.
It's generally considered a violation of judicial ethics to commit to how you'd decide a case before hearing it.
I tend to agree with DMN, though for less formalist reasons than I suspect he has.
Nominations have been kabuki theatre for a while now; a ritual with no truth value regarding the candidates (though sometimes like with Roberts some interesting legal intricacies are accidentally explicated).
Just because some Senator made a calculated attempt to hide her own cold calculous coming due doesn't change that.
We all want something concrete to go after the Justices who just screwed a pretty fundamental aspect of gender equality, but in the end this is how the politics went; there will be no backsies - we need to put in the work.
"Four other existing justices lied in front of Congress when they said that they didn't plan to overrule Roe"
I posted over on the longer thread excerpts from Barrett's confirmation hearing. Here's the gist of it: "Senator Leahy, let me be clear. I have made no commitment to anyone, not in this Senate, not over at the White House, about how I would decide any case.""
I fully expect the rest of them refused to state in advance how they'd rule, too.
If you think, "I refuse to say!" is a lie, you're an idiot.
If you think they told the truth, you're the idiot.
Anyone who would state during confirmation how they would rule on a potential future case is unqualified for the Bench.
Do you have anything relevant to say?
I can see that you desperately want them to have lied about something, that much is evident. But I read the transcript of Barrett's confirmation hearing yesterday, and nowhere in it did she promise that she wouldn't vote to overturn Roe. In fact, she was specifically asked to make that promise, and refused.
The transcripts are publicly available, I suggest you go read them and pinpoint the statements you believe to have been lies.
Many suspect " I have made no commitment to anyone, not in this Senate, not over at the White House, about how I would decide any case." to have been a lie. During the 2016 campaign, Trump promised that Roe would be overturned, "That will happen, automatically in my opinion," if he were to be elected because he would only appoint anti-abortion justices. Though it's hard to credit anything Trump has ever said for revealing truth on any topic, it's not unlikely that Trump was certain of her position before nominating her.
Yeah, you can suspect that to have been a lie. I suspect that many such statements by judicial nominees, on a wide range of topics, are lies.
Establishing that it's a lie, OTOH, is a bit of a stretch.
I think Trump could have been fairly confident of Barrett's views on abortion without having to extract a personal promise from her on the topic. Just as Biden could nominate Jackson to the Court without having to extract from her an explicit promise to vote against 2nd amendment rights. Their CV's were adequate to cover that sort of thing.
I have stated numerous times before, that while they may not have committed perjury, they most certainly did not tell the truth.
I don't think you understand the nuance.
"Except as stated under subsection (b), this Act supersedes and applies to the law of the Federal Government and each State government, and the implementation of such law, whether statutory, common law, or otherwise, and whether adopted before or after the date of enactment of this Act, and neither the Federal Government nor any State government shall administer, implement, or enforce any law, rule, regulation, standard, or other provision having the force and effect of law that conflicts with any provision of this Act, notwithstanding any other provision of Federal law, including the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.)."
This is really odious language. Democracy? Federalism? Freedom of Religion? Pish posh, who needs those?
I hope voters pay attention and get these politicians as far away from government as possible.
It’s rare that I defend the Democrats, but the Republicans are truly off their rockers.
Brett and Dave, if y’all want to live in a theocracy, there are several around the world to choose from. Leave our privacy the fuck alone.
Where's that coming from? I have no objections to contraception, and while I might be generally dubious about the assertion of Congressional authority here, it's not because I WANT states to ban it. It's just because I don't think the Constitution gave Congress this sort of power.
Really, the only thing I've said in this thread was that the Justices didn't lie about overturning Roe. And that's true: They all flatly refused to promise they wouldn't overturn it.
As for abortion, I was pro-life even back when I was an agnostic. Seriously, you think only Catholics find abortion odious?
"Seriously, you think only Catholics find abortion odious?"
I think Catholics are of the same opinion on abortion as average Americans. Most think it is a personal decision. That is held up in Pew polling. There is nothing to suggest they have less abortions than any other group.
You want to allow states to be able to deny their citizens basic privacy rights like the ability to use birth control. That’s garbage. There are certain things best left to the states and certain ones that are so basic and fundamental that the states shouldn’t be trusted. You want to say that’s not quite aligned with the constitution, ok fine, but we’re unfortunately in an era where extremism reigns.
And don’t think they won’t do it. Here in Texas the Republican extremists running the stare actually passed a bill requiring that the remains of a natural miscarriage be buried. To them, pandering to the small but noisy extreme Christian right came before allowing people to grieve privately in piece.
There are plenty of states where the nutjob right might try this. This bill stops that and it’s fine by me. I agree that the court isn’t likely to touch Oberkfell or this or siding or whatever, but I can also see where they’ve lost the benefit of the doubt.
Shame on the Republicans for even being open to allowing states to outlaw birth control. They’re no better than the progs.
Why don't we first see whether any state actually tries to restrict contraception before we protect that right?
History has shown that many well-meaning laws are a source of much mischief. The seeds of that are already in this bill -- as I said below, why override RFRA if your intent is not to impinge on private parties?
I live in a deep red state. They will. Republicans can't help themselves from pandering to the loony loud Christian right minority any more than Democrats can keep from pandering to their progressive nutjobs. It'll happen.
Why not go ahead and just protect the right now? The concept of doing that was a very common response from the right related to Dobbs. Codify it!! Well, here is an attempt to codify something and the Republicans object. Their bluff has been called.
Why wait for the states to be dumb? What is the cost mitigating this risk?
Several potential costs.
1) Yet more erosion of the vertical separation of powers within our constitutional system.
2) What might be snuck in by way of this? As I mentioned, today bees can be "fish" for legal purposes, so, what might they decide to label a "contraceptive"?
3) The bill appears to go beyond preventing states from outlawing contraceptives; It appears at first glance to actually mandate contraceptive coverage for private sector health plans. Went from prohibiting bans to mandating providing it.
So let’s put some people in jail for being caught with condoms. Just the price we must pay for constitutional purity. Well, not you. It’ll be some other poor SOB paying that price.
Yet again, I don't want contraceptives banned. How many times do I have to say that before it penetrates?
I understood it the first time. The problem is that whatever you want doesn't matter, you're perfectly willing to let it happen.
I'll vote against anybody who proposes doing it, what more do you want?
If by "let it happen" you mean I'm not going to endorse federal legislation I think is likely unconstitutional and probably something of a Trojan horse, yeah, sure, that much is true.
No erosion, since this is currently a right.
Somehow I don't think the GOP is going to let abortion in as contraception, don't be paranoid.
The old 'you have the right, but we will assure most do not have the means.' Rights for the fancy people, not the lower class.
The costs are the unintended (or secretly intended) effects. A fairly obvious effect is that this will be used to try to force private parties who object to abortion to provide contraceptives that can also be abortifacients. Like a charity run by nuns.
The sponsors of the Civil Rights Act said they would eat their hat if it allowed affirmative action. You know how long that lasted. There is no such thing today as a straightforward law, certianly not one as broadly crafted as this one, that does not sneak in undesirable things.
Here is an alternative law: "any contraceptive approved by the FDA may be sold in interstate commerce, notwithstanding any state or local law." That would accomplish what this supposedly tries to accomplish, be well within the Commerce power, and have very limited possiblity for mischief.
Seems like this could be pretty easily drafted around.
Are you really a lawyer? Because your quick bill is not well drafted. What's a contraceptive?
What does approved mean?
Sold in interstate commerce does not parse well.
And, of course, because I presume you're an anti-Wickard guy, it's pretty marginal in it's effect. Even though under current law, the nexus between contraception and interstate commerce is sufficient.
IOW, in your quest to mitigate the speculative costs you want to gut the bill. If I were like you, I'd say that was intended because you would not at all mind if contraception were to be banned places.
You are beclowning youreself again. Do you seriously think that a comment on a blog is going to be the same as a fully drafted bill?
Contraceptive is easily defined. Look in the dicrtionary.
Approved -- you cross-referenced the FDA act. You seriously think that approved by the FDA is vague? Let me know what you're smoking.
Commerce -- define the same as in the Trademark ACt -- "The word “commerce” means all commerce which may lawfully be regulated by Congress." 15 USC 1127.
Wickard is a red herring. You don't grow contraceptives in your back yard or field like you do wheat. You order them from a pharmacy or pharmaceutical company. Shipping goods from State A to State B in exchange for money is by any definition "commerce among the states." I don't think a single justice, Thomas included, would disagree. That would let anyone in the country order contraceptives on the web or through the mail.
"You want to allow states to be able to deny their citizens basic privacy rights like the ability to use birth control."
Again, no, I don't. This is distinct from whether I doubt Congress actually has the authority to do this.
Of course you do. There is no way to deny it.
You may prefer that they don't outlaw birth control, but if they do you will say, "OK. No problem."
No, I'll say, "No constitutional problem." There are many bad policies that wouldn't violate the Constitution. State level drug laws are a bad, bad idea, for example, but that doesn't make the war on drugs unconstitutional at the state level.
Outlawing contraceptives, as stupid and destructive as it would be, is just another front in the war on drugs, so far as the Constitution is concerned.
This is what your 'only rights landed white dudes liked in the 1700s' paradigm gets you.
Too bad, so sad, the bullwarks against tyranny of the majority must only apply to forcing twitter to platform racists.
There are certain things best left to the people...
States rights are for things that would never pass muster nationwide. Slavery, Sodomy laws, privacy laws. Laws that prevent filming of police....
If you think the Federal Government is bad, wait till you see the State government.... or county government, or lord help you, the local town counsel.... or even worse your HOA.
Oh, the irony. The law as proposed here will have literally the opposite of protecting your privacy. You won't be able to use your elected Federal representatives to protect it. You won't be able to use your elected State representatives. You won't even be able to use a claim of a right to conscience to protect it!
I am genuinely surprised every time some eager beaver champions giving the current government extraordinary powers without realizing that this just gives the next government those some extraordinary powers. I keep hoping we are smarter than that.
Extraordinary powers to allow people to make free choices is bad? What inverse universe do you live in?
I think you have it backwards.
To put it differently, if the state government can tell you when you MUST have a child, it can also tell you when you CAN'T have one.
Hmmm, a state that doesn't want to pay for special ed - requires a DNA test of the fetus before you get a birth license. Makes it illegal to carry (or even possess?) a fetus past 20 weeks without a license.
As the world population passes 8 Billion...
"...In the wake of Dobbs, the Democratic-controlled House is passing a flurry of bills to "codify" constitutional rights that are not really in jeopardy...."
I can fix your error. "...rights that are not really in jeopardy, if you assume that 4 of the 5 far-right activist conservative Justices are telling the truth about having no interest in revisiting those particular rights."
We get it, the marxists of antifa are more your speed.
As opposed to Republican theocrats?
Yep, better than the compelled and limited speech of the gay movement. Better than the mutilation of children. Better than forced vaccination. Better than a BLM dominated society. The pro abortionist lost ALL their credibility when they supported the vax mandate. There is no underlying principle to your arguments.
You don't even know what my arguments are. You're just reflexively spewing political catchphrase gibberish to attack someone who you think might disagree with you.
You wanna live in a theocracy? Move to Iran. I just think people should be free to use birth control. Ooh, I'm a fascist!!!!
Moron.
Why do you think theocrats don't want "compelled and limited speech"?
Mutilation of children? Like circumcision? Or forced sterilization?
Forced vaccination? You can't handle 6 micrograms? Put that soda down, I have some bad news for you. Yeah, we could just do rolling lockdowns, kill the economy, keeping everyone at home with lots of testing instead. Since there is very little downside to the vaccination your talking about, you need to balance that against living in a society.
BLM dominated society? Oh noes! Black people rising! Heaven forbid What are you afraid of? Perhaps not turning a black person selling loosie cigarettes into a homicide is a good thing... Just saying...
What we know for sure is that at least one conservative Justice is open to allowing such bans.
I think there are almost certainly two. So you’re 40% of the way there before any arguments are heard.
Not just "open" but willing to publicly advocate for it.
No surer sign that those rights ARE in jeopardy than people like Josh breathlessly swearing that they aren’t.
"In the wake of Dobbs, the Democratic-controlled House is passing a flurry of bills to "codify" constitutional rights that are not really in jeopardy."
And yet, this is what originalists have been asking Congress to do for a while now, with the argument that this is Congresses job. not the Supreme courts. So I'm generally happy about this.
And yet, this is what originalists have been asking Congress to do for a while now, with the argument that this is Congress's job. not the Supreme court's.
Precisely so. And when someone votes against legislation codifying a right on the grounds that the right is not under threat, their action contradicts their claim.
"And when someone votes against legislation codifying a right on the grounds that the right is not under threat, their action contradicts their claim."
Really, I have only two concerns with this act:
1) I'm actually somewhat dubious about some of the asserted constitutional basis for Congress to claim the power to do this. But, I generally think Congress over-reaches, so that's not specific to this bill.
2) I am somewhat suspicious about what they will up and decide to declare is a "contraceptive" once it passes. Remember, in an era of bump stocks being declared machine guns, and bees being held to be fish, you can't really count on "contraceptives" actually being contraceptives.
But, generally, I don't think states should ban contraceptives.
"Remember, in an era of bump stocks being declared machine guns, and bees being held to be fish, you can't really count on "contraceptives" actually being contraceptives."
But in a world where a woman who miscarried because she fell down the stairs can be arrested and jailed* for a homicide we should trust that the wingnuts won't try to criminalize the termination of ectopic pregnancies?
*sanity prevailed after a couple days which does not negate the crackpottery.
This bill does not deal with abortion or ectopic pregnancies. Try again.
Nor does it deal with bees or bump stocks. Pay attention.
Are you stupid or do you just play a stupid person on TV?
You're still not paying attention, you slack-jawed, Trump sucking tw*t.
You don't get to pick and choose which analogies you like without providing a reason.
The problem is that some will, given the opportunity.
Given the new anti-abortion laws that omit exceptions for rape and incest and weaken the exception for life/health of the mother, I think anyone who says contraception and marriage equality aren't at risk are either not paying attention or lying.
Silly season is here.
This bill clearly aims beyond codifying Constitutional rights. Why does it override RFRA, for example, which is something only a private party, not a state, can invoke? The intent is to create a "right" against private parties, which is well beyond anything protected by the Constitution.
And the whole premise of your comment is bogus. Most of these are matters of state law, not federal law. It is up to the states, not Congress, to decide. That is what the Court said about abortion, and that is also the case for contraception. Griswold v. Connecticut, as its name implies, was a case involving a state.
Apart from that, there is no need to "codify" a right. If a state does not want to get involved in something, it just needs to have no law interfering with it. Abortion is legal in New York, up to birth. That is not a matter of "rights," the state simply does not interfere, the same way it does not interfere with chewing gum or eating broccoli.
The clear intent here is to override state laws Democrats don't like, and to force private parties, like Hobby Lobby, to adopt policies they object to. If that is libertarian, then I'm Mao Tse Tung.
The clear intent here is to protect people from the hard core right in places like Texas and Tennessee ( two places close to my heard, God bless 'em). The RFRA act stuff is objectionable and probably will be wiped out by the courts. But if you don't think Republican legislatures in some states won't go after stuff like this you're wrong. I live in one and see it constantly.
Please cite any evidence that anyone in the last 10 years anywhere in the US has sought to restrict access to contraceptives (other than those believed to be abortifacients, which is a separate issue).
All legislation has unitended consequences, and this one appears to be drafted as an exercise in virtue signalling and has great potential for mischief. All for a non-problem in reality.
States can't do it right now because there's an SC decision prohibiting it. This is insurance in case that decision is overturned. Remember "well, you should have codified Roe when you had the chance"? This is codifying Griswold while they have the chance. They're taking the advice of the right.
Who knows if Griswold will be overturned? It's pretty glib after Dobbs to simply say like Blackmon does that it'll never happen. This makes it a moot point and I personally think it should be done. I live in a hard red state and I can easily see my nutso extremist legislature and executive doing this given the chance. I don't want them to have it.
The contraceptives "believed to be abortifacients" isn't a separate issue. It includes the most-used contraception method for women: the pill. It also include IUDs. On the list of birth control used by women, in order of most to least used, hormonal (the pill/patch) birth control far surpasses all other methods, then surgical sterilization, and then UID. Way at the bottom is spermicide and female condoms.
So you've hand-waved away the two top non-permanent methods and left surgical sterilization and devices like female condoms--a near-permanent and invasive option or a clumsy and often ineffective option.
There's no need to fight contraceptives that aren't believed to be abortifacients because, essentially, there aren't any effective, non-permanent, female contraceptives in that category.
It's all about theater and narrative that driving a little longer to get an abortion is the Reichstag Act 2.0. it doesn't matter whether it makes sense. The intent is to make Joe Blow apolitical who thinks a filibuster is a firework vaguely recall the faked panicked atmosphere 15 years from now and conclude that Dobbs must have been some horrific event.
Prof. Blackman’s conduct and views seem likely to be effective contraceptives in modern America, although in a nation of 300 millions there might be a handful of handmaidens whose standards would put them in that market.
Reverend Arthur/Jerry Sandusky has gone
10 YEARS, 1 MONTH, 12 DAYS
without buggering any young men,
*as far as we know, https://www.cor.pa.gov/Facilities/StatePrisons/Pages/Greene.aspx
IANAL question:
Does the 11th Amendment restrict Congress from making certain things federal cases? Or is it just a statement that federal courts don't have jurisdiction over certain cases by default, but Congress can grant it?
Not a lawyer either, but from my understanding of the relevant cases, the former, but its complicated. Congress can abrogate soverign immunity only in very specific cases which are kinda random, and are basically, the court was able to muster 5 votes for that position here.
Now, there is also federal soverign immunity, which can be abrogated by the federal government.
The first source I looked at said cases involving federal law flatly aren't covered by the 11th Amendment. That was meaningful back back when the federal government only had limited powers, but now it seems that exception completely swallows the rule, at least anytime Congress wants it to.
Right, but it is assumed that the person exercising federal law is the federal government and not the states. And you would sue the federal government and not the states in that case. States aren't required to enforce federal law, see anti-commandering.
In any event, Congress has largely gotten rid of federal soverign immunity due to a number of incidents where people get hurt and can't sue, the exception being military actions (for obvious reasons, but it should be noted Congress never said this, the court made it up).
This is about Congress waiving state soverign immunity, not federal.
The Supreme Court has held that generally Congress lacks the power to impose liability on the states. For example, state actors cannot be held liable for violating the Patent Act or the Copyright Act. Whether that is a proper application of the 11th Amendment is debated.
Not exactly. The 11th amendment only prevents (allegedly) individuals from suing states. Congress could impose liability on the states via a public enforcement mechanism.
So that would mean what, the USAG suing some state to enjoin a contraceptive law? (Which as far as I can see, is never getting passed.)
“IANAL”
Not for long you don’t, if this court has anything to say about it.
The 11th amendment doesn’t involve congress at all.
The quoted text explicitly mentions the 11th amendment, and law is being considered by Congress. Must have something to do with Congress.
Correct if I'm wrong: the 11th amendment is very weak tea. It just means that federal courts can't hear a lawsuit against a state by a citizen of another state unless federal law is involved. But anything and everything can be a federal law, since everything is commerce.
Do I have it right?
If federal law is involved, it would be the federal government enforcing that federal law, and then the states have nothing to do with it.
Not really. By the amendment’s own terms, maybe, but the Supreme Court has held that states’ constitutional sovereign immunity is much broader than the text of the amendment itself. So even though the FLSA is a valid exercise of the commerce power, the court has held that states cannot be sued under it (even in state courts, regardless of the fact that the 11A only speaks to the power of federal courts).
It does, in that congress can abrogate state sovereign immunity if it passes laws pursuant to its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment ( or the bankruptcy clause and now war powers as well).
Why can't Democrats get out of people's bedrooms?
You mean, why are the Democrats stopping the GOP going into people's bedrooms?
From a libertarian perspective a law protecting rights is a worthy exercise of government power. But you're a right-winger, so you disapprove.
Why can’t you make an argument that isn’t completely fucking moronic?
Democrats forced you to wear a condom but everyone knows it's actually just your personality.
Something like that I think. I don’t see how that involves congress but maybe I’m wrong. Hell probably even.
Josh has been telling us that this is Clarence Thomas’s Court. But now he wants us to think that Obergefell and such are not in danger.
I think that, until a Republican President finds a way to clone Thomas, he will continue to find himself in the minority on occasional cases. As constitutionally objectionable as I found Obergefell, I believe it's one of those topics where the majority of the Republican nominees have no interest in relitigating the matter. They might chip away at the edges, they will refuse to extend it, but the core holding isn't going anywhere.
Until Thomas gets cloned.
No need to clone Thomas.
I suspect it's pretty easy to find some Federalist Society types who share his views. Just nurture them along and wait for the right moment.
I also suspect that it wouldn't be too hard to get Alito, at least, to go along with Thomas. Possibly Barrett and Gorsuch as well.
I honestly doubt that.
Apparently, so far as you're concerned, Obergefell and Roe are on the same level. But from the right's perspective, they're very different. Obergefell was "just" a case of the judiciary usurping a choice that was up to the people to make through their elected representatives. Roe was a case of the judiciary usurping a choice that was up to the people to make through their elected representatives, but it was a murderous choice.
That's why Roe sparked immediate resistance that never went away, while most people on the right became apathetic about Obergefell.
“Up to the people to make”
Sorry, Brett. Bernard and I don’t like the choice you made when you decided to marry. I know it’s unfortunate and creates problems, and is arguably unfair, but tough cookies. We don’t like it so you’re not married.
Some things are so fundamentally fair that they shouldn’t be left up to the public. A whole bunch of criminal protections wouldn’t exist if the public got to choose.
"Some things are so fundamentally fair that they shouldn’t be left up to the public. "
As a moral point, I certainly agree. You run into practical trouble when half the population don't accept your proposed addition to the list, though.
Stop ignoring the 9th Amendment.
"a health care provider has a corresponding right to provide contraceptives, contraception, and information related to contraception."
Sounds more like a duty or obligation.
I think that's probably where this is going.
It could be seen as an obligation, but it could also be seen as preempting laws that gag healthcare providers. We know that state legislatures have in the past direct providers to provide false information about abortions. What could stop state legislature from gagging health care provider from talking about contraception?
"Sounds more like a duty or obligation."
Yeah, to receive government funds (medicare/medicade/SS), you have to follow some rules.
The attempted abrogation of RFRA clearly evidences an intent to impose restrictions on private parties. States cannot invoke RFRA -- the Establishment Clause bars them from having a religion to invoke.
The whole bill smacks of virtue signalling and plants the seed for much mischief.
So it's better that people in, say, Alabama will be subject to criminal prosecution for using birth control.
Republicans want fewer abortions to occur (me too) but they vote against something that will contribute toward that goal. Makes sense if you think about it.
Let me know when Alabama considers such a law. Let along passes one.
And see above. A narrower interstate commerce law would do the trick. Even in Alabama, people know how to order drugs online.
(IIRC, ther is a Republican proposal to allow some form of birth control to be sold over the counter, or, to update that phrase, over the web.)
Like I said above they can’t now because of Griswold. Take that away and who knows what extremist republicans might do.
Louisiana considered (but did not pass) a bill that would have defined abortion to include preventing implantation and make abortion a homicide. It included any birth control method that prevented implantation. (Which includes the pill, IUDs, Plan B, Ella, etc.)
It shouldn't take too long for a state to pass a law that criminalizes most forms of female contraception and sets up a case for the USSC to overturn Griswold.
'Don't mitigate this risk, I think there is risk over there!' is just not very convincing.
And RFRA doesn't seem like it'll have much to say here. Did you not like Flores or something?
Your concerns about forced funding are the same as public accommodation - asked and answered. Such an exception would swallow the rule in a lot of places. You don't seem to care. Or rather, you'd like to avoid it by taking refuge in speculation and formalism.
Of course they do, just like everyone else. The real question is is it appropriate for government to mandate such. Or, worse, lawyers sue, forcing government to mandate such.
But if we're looking at realistic slippery slopes, be much more concerned about religious busibodies trying to outlaw contraception because they are sore afeared of being cast into a flaming pit of sulfur and brimstone if they don't.
The people of the right on here don't recognize that the people running states like Texas and Mississippi are just as extreme as the people running places like California and Oregon. As it stands right now, they can't ban contraceptives because of Griswold. All this bill does is codify that.
After Dobbs the refrain from the right was that the Democrats should have codified Roe. Hell, I even said it. Or that they should do it now even though they don't have the votes, particularly for the extreme version of Roe the Democrats recently tried to pass.
Well, they took the Republicans at their word - this bill codifies Griswold. And the damn stone aged Republican party is having none of it. Can't risk pissing off the noisy extreme Christian minority.
I think people should be able to get contraceptives if they want to, health insurance can cover them it there's a market for that coverage but I also think people should be able to refrain from providing contraceptives if they don't want to. I think this bill may go too far by commanding people to provide contraceptives, although I'm not entirely sure it does that.
Your not being entirely sure, is a feature of its drafters. Ambiguity is how unpopular policies are enacted into law.
Its usually cheaper for health insurance to cover contraceptives vs. paying for a birth (not to mention the possibilities of complications).
It all depends on what is meant by "contraception" and "pregnancy." The draft seems to define "contraception" in terms of pregnancy, but I'll bet they're not going to define "pregnancy."
If they did, it would never get 60 votes in the Senate.
So the scheme is obviously to allow 10 GOP Senators to pretend not to understand that "pregnancy" will be interpreted by the courts (at least until they get to SCOTUS) as not beginning until implantation. Thereby requiring states to permit stuff that kills the critturs in the first week or so.
Presumably appropriate "context" will be sprinkled into the various provisions to make it hard for a textualist SCOTUS to disagree.
So I predict with confidence - "pregnancy" will not be defined.
I agree, for pretty much the reasons you define.
As I've noted in more detail above, contraceptives used by women are largely considered abortifacients by pro-lifers. The pill, IUDs, Plan B, etc are all included. The only methods not included are surgical sterilization, spermicides, and inserted devices like female condoms. IOW: the choice of a permanent option or an ineffective one.