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Supreme Court Rejects Broad EPA Authority to Regulate Greenhouse Gases from Power Plants (Updated)
Chief Justice Roberts writes for a six-justice majority in West Virginia v. EPA.
Today the Supreme Court decided West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency. Chief Justice Roberts wrote the opinion for the Court, rejecting claims that the case was non-justiciable and concluding that the EPA lacks broad authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from power plants under the Clean Air Act. Relying upon the "major questions" doctrine, the Chief Justice explained that Section 111 of the Clean Air Act does not allow the EPA to require generation shifting (i.e. the replacement of coal with renewable energy) to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. For quick background, my prior posts on the WVA case are indexed here.
The Chief Justice's opinion for the Court was joined by the Court's conservatives. Justice Gorsuch has a concurring opinion, joined by Justice Alito. Justice Kagan writes the dissent on behalf of herself and the other liberal justices.
As a threshold matter, the Chief Justice explains that the case is justiciable, even though the EPA is not currently enforcing greenhouse gas limits under Section 111. This is because the question on appeal is whether the petitioners experience an injury that is fairly traceable to the judgment below, and they easily meet that standard (as I noted here). Further, the government's stated intention to adopt new rules does not moot the case. Of note, Justice Kagan concedes the Court had jurisdiction to decide the case, and that it is not moot for purposes of Article III, but she makes clear she wishes the Court had declined to hear the case on prudential grounds.
On the merits, here is how the Chief Justice frames the issue in the case:
The Clean Air Act authorizes the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate power plants by setting a "standard of performance" for their emission of certain pollutants into the air. 84 Stat. 1683, 42 U. S. C. §7411(a)(1). That standard may be different for new and existing plants, but in each case it must reflect the "best system of emission reduction" that the Agency has determined to be "adequately demonstrated" for the particular category. §§7411(a)(1), (b)(1), (d). For existing plants, the States then implement that requirement by issuing rules restricting emissions from sources within their borders.
Since passage of the Act 50 years ago, EPA has exercised this authority by setting performance standards based on measures that would reduce pollution by causing plants to operate more cleanly. In 2015, however, EPA issued a new rule concluding that the "best system of emission reduction" for existing coal-fired power plants included a requirement that such facilities reduce their own production of electricity, or subsidize increased generation by natural gas, wind, or solar sources.
The question before us is whether this broader conception of EPA's authority is within the power granted to it by the Clean Air Act.
As already noted, the Chief Justice explains that the EPA does not have such authority. Whatever authority the EPA has to mandate that utilities adopt the "best system of emission reduction" that "has been adequately demonstrated," it does not extend to what the Obama Administration had proposed in the Clean Power Plan (and the D.C. Circuit had embraced): Basing emission limits on generation shifting.
Of particular importance, Chief Justice Roberts stresses that this conclusion is driven by recognition that in "extraordinary cases"—"cases in which the 'history and the breadth of the authority that [the agency] has asserted,' and the 'economic and political significance' of that assertion"—"call for a different approach" and "provide a 'reason to hesitate before concluding that Congress meant to confer such authority.'" In other words, even if one might conclude that the EPA's preferred interpretation of Section 111 is reasonable, the "major questions" doctrine counsels a narrower construction of the EPA's authority. As he writes:
in certain extraordinary cases, both separation of powers principles and a practical understanding of legislative intent make us "reluctant to read into ambiguous statutory text" the delegation claimed to be lurking there. Utility Air, 573 U. S., at 324. To convince us otherwise, something more than a merely plausible textual basis for the agency action is necessary. The agency instead must point to "clear congressional authorization" for the power it claims.
After pointing out there is nothing particularly new about this approach, the Chief Justice applies this principle to Section 111:
our precedent counsels skepticism toward EPA's claim that Section 111 empowers it to devise carbon emissions caps based on a generation shifting approach. To overcome that skepticism, the Government must—under the major questions doctrine—point to "clear congressional authorization" to regulate in that manner.
All the Government can offer, however, is the Agency's authority to establish emissions caps at a level reflecting "the application of the best system of emission reduction . . . adequately demonstrated." 42 U. S. C. §7411(a)(1). As a matter of "definitional possibilities," FCC v. AT&T Inc., 562 U. S. 397, 407 (2011), generation shifting can be described as a "system"—"an aggregation or assemblage of objects united by some form of regular interaction," Brief for Federal Respondents 31—capable of reducing emissions. But of course almost anything could constitute such a "system"; shorn of all context, the word is an empty vessel. Such a vague statutory grant is not close to the sort of clear authorization required by our precedents.
Importantly, the Chief Justice also goes out of his way to make clear that the Court is not endorsing the constrained interpretation of Section 111 embraced by the Trump Administration and urged by some petitioners:
We have no occasion to decide whether the statutory phrase "system of emission reduction" refers exclusively to measures that improve the pollution performance of individual sources, such that all other actions are ineligible to qualify as the BSER. To be sure, it is pertinent to our analysis that EPA has acted consistent with such a limitation for the first four decades of the statute's existence. But the only interpretive question before us, and the only one we answer, is more narrow: whether the "best system of emission reduction" identified by EPA in the Clean Power Plan was within the authority granted to the Agency in Section 111(d) of the Clean Air Act. For
the reasons given, the answer is no.
The Chief concludes:
Capping carbon dioxide emissions at a level that will force a nationwide transition away from the use of coal to generate electricity may be a sensible "solution to the crisis of the day." New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144, 187 (1992). But it is not plausible that Congress gave EPA the authority to adopt on its own such a regulatory scheme in Section 111(d). A decision of such magnitude and consequence rests with Congress itself, or an agency acting pursuant to a clear delegation from that representative body. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is reversed, and the cases are remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
This decision is an important one. It expressly embraces and solidifies the "major questions" doctrine (largely consistent with the approach I suggested here) and reaffirms the notion that federal courts should be reluctant to allow administrative agencies to pour new wine from old bottles.
The decision also makes clear that the EPA does not have broad, free-ranging authority to address climate change under the Clean Air Act. (This is also a warning for other federal agencies, including FERC and the SEC.) It makes clear that if the federal government is going to take meaningful action to mitigate the threat of climate change (as it should) that action will have to come from Congress. It also underscores a point I have been making for some time about the risks of trying to address climate change through administrative regulation.
I will have more to say about the majority opinion, the Gorsuch concurrence, the Kagan dissent, and the broader implications for the administrative state in subsequent posts.
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Every 6-3 decision is another step toward a Court that resembles modern America.
Thank God!
Maybe you should pray on it a spell, asking an illusory man in the sky to prevent enlargement of the Court by better Americans.
That is likely to work about as well as anything else Republicans might try.
Guess who said this:
"I must begin these very brief remarks by thanking God for delivering me to this point in my professional journey. My life has been blessed beyond measure, and I do know that one can only come this far by faith."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/25/remarks-by-president-biden-on-his-nomination-of-judge-ketanji-brown-jackson-to-serve-as-associate-justice-of-the-u-s-supreme-court/
She's going to have to spend the next few decades working on a court dominated by religious nuts. Might as well start pandering now.
Ah yes, more of that civility I've been hearing so much about lately.
Can you believe some of the offensive things those MAGA people say?
There was talk of civility at this blog for a while, when the proprietor was looking for an excuse for viewpoint-driven censorship.
That talk was revealed to have been disingenuous hypocrisy.
I don't care about the proprietor's hypocrisy. The problem with the charge of hypocrisy is that the people you are accusing don't actually disavow "censorship" by private individuals. You are misrepresenting their beliefs to further your trolling.
I'm talking about the people who lament "mean tweets" by any on the right yet use the same language themselves. Just look at some of the racist/misognyst things said about Justices Thomas and Barret last week. They deserve it!
But I know you won't, you're just a troll.
...and yet you are still allowed to comment.
the vandals stole the handles and the papists run the show...
A quick search disclosed this article:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/god-ketanji-brown-jacksons-faith-share-spotlight-confirmation/story?id=83369057
"On her 18th birthday, just days into her freshman year at Harvard in 1988, Ketanji Brown Jackson says she broke down in tears on the university library steps, overcome by homesickness and seeking solace in faith.
""Even in my loneliness, I thanked God for the opportunity he'd given me, for the firm foundation he had provided, and also for how far I had come," Jackson recounted years later in an address [in 2011] to graduates of Montrose Christian School, a private Baptist-affiliated high school in Rockville, Maryland, where she served on the advisory board."
One day, this Supreme Court will read Article I Section 1, giving all law making power to the Congress. It will rule that all Executive Orders and the entire Federal Register must be approved by Congress or is void. Make the dipshits read every word into the record first.
Here's a serious question and another: When did the federal government first issue regulations to flesh out legislation? When did a President issue the first executive order?
I'd bet it happened very soon after George Washington was sworn it, within hours. Consider the first army purchase of rifles; surely no one would expect Congress's authorizing law to specify every single detail of construction or design, down to blueprints (or the 1791 equivalent). When Congress authorized building out D.C., they didn't specify every last detail. When they started the post office, I'd bet the law didn't specify every last kind of stamp to sell.
This fetish people have for eliminating regulations and executive orders is never thought through.
Blue prints of guns are not national rules, bossing people around. It is denial to think renaming something a regulation is not law making. If it results in any punishment, or visits by men with guns, Congress needs to approve it. That way, the quacks and scumbags can be voted out.
If the design of a stamp will result in fines or in prison time, it has to be approved by Congress.
Your examples are inapt. Yes, the government can regulate itself. That's the entire point of Executive Orders and does not contradict the principle of Separation of Powers. The challenge here is that the government is (ab)using these orders to regulate the rest of us. The word for that is legislation and that is a responsibility assigned exclusively to Congress.
You should see the statutes empowering the territorial governments. That was basically along the lines of "go ahead and make whatever regulations you think are useful for the good government of the territory".
That's a poor analogy, because there's a world of difference between a territorial legislature authorized by Congress under the Constitution's territories clause, and an executive branch agency authoring regulations pursuant to a federal statute.
I'm not aware of any legal theory that would allow an executive branch agency to adopt a constitution in pursuit of statehood.
Because the Nortwest Ordnance wasn't a statute passed by Congress, just like the Clean Air Act? How do you figure?
Which is why the Supreme Court has the major questions doctrine. Congress can say go buy rifles, you can handle the details.
But not 'go buy rifles', and the Pentagon decides nukes are better and starts up the Manhattan project.
I don't think it makes sense to invent a major questions doctrine by analogy from the spending power.
Its not based on the spending power. First sentence in Article I: " All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."
And Article 2 states that the President "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".
The Supreme Court has come.up with the major questions doctrine based on that, and its an important doctrine for preserving democracy.
Imagine we did have an authoritarian president that was determined to strech out the bounds of his own power at the expense of Congress, the major questions doctrine would put a barrier to that power.
Here the EPA is claiming the power to take control of the electricity market in the US, that's a major question. Imagine next they decide that they are going to start rationing electricity, is that just a minor question to be left up to bureaucrats too?
I don't have a dog in that hunt, I live off the grid, at least in the summer.
Horrible! What next? Majority rule?
I don't think you would like it much if that happened.
I'd actually be fine wirh it, as long as we first get a refund for the past 30+ years of retooling society to suit the single or low double digit minorities.
So this gets an article but not Kennedy?
I'll just keep posting this until there is one. Or is the volokh team purposefully ignoring the decision just like the majority did the facts of the case?
Here's your chance for glory, hotshot. Post here what you wish they had posted. Who knows, maybe you'll inform people more than some brief info-free rant, and maybe, just maybe, the Conspirators will ask you to join them after you've showcased your superb writing and insight.
To what end? Any comment i post that is not a blog post with associated content will not get read, and the readers here will have little incentive to engage or even read it.
I have no legal training, there is zero chance i would be asked to join this blog no matter how erudite I was.
Wuss.
Or you could start your own blog and cover what you think ought to be covered.
Yep, "start your own blog" is what I was going to say. There is no "team" here with a mandate to cover everything. Bloggers post about what interests them (or in the case of Josh what he thinks makes him sound most important, which I guess is in fact what interests him).
Part of what I think should be covered is the conspicuous cowardice -- veering into un-American territory in some cases -- among a group of right-wing, faux libertarian law professors.
A number of readers seem to share the view that the Volokh Conspirators' conspicuous lack of interest in addressing the disgusting conduct of their ideological allies (and, in some cases, personal acquaintances) is curious, illuminating, and damning.
I am sure the Conspirators are grateful for your sycophancy, clinger.
IOW, you are not really interested in the subject, just the opportunity to make more ad hominem arguments.
You're true to form, I'll give you that.
Which subject? The one that has been generating top-of-page headlines for weeks, but which the Conspirators conspicuously ignore, painting themselves as un-American cowards?
"So this gets an article but not Kennedy?"
Well, Professor Adler is an administrative law specialist so its natural he post about this.
Kennedy was only a small extension of free exercise law, hype to the contrary. W Va is just a more important case.
Kennedy may not be as important as W Va, but it's an important religion+liberty case in that it puts the final nail in the coffin of Lemon. We can expect to see the theocratic right trawling through all cases that used Lemon so that they can get them overturned, and so we can expect to see the return of ID in schools, coerced prayer, etc.
Kennedy's reason for decision pretty much rules out coerced prayer an teaching ID. Did you even bother to read it?
Give us a break, Blackman will have three posted by this evening.
A school can't ban an employee from praying quietly in private. This result isn't changed if other people also spontaneously choose to pray in roughly the same place and time (and the proposed regime whereby the state somehow establishes a religion the instant a second person starts praying is entirely unworkable). The case is, legally speaking, unremarkable. There's some astonishment that there were even three dissenting votes, but that's just the hostility of the left wing of the court to any form of religion shining through.
This is a wildly inaccurate description of the facts, not quite as bad as the majority's misstatements, but pretty bad.
Seems like the 'major questions' doctrine is essentially a more moderate/compromise substitute for the 'nondelegation' doctrine.
Instead of saying Congress *can't* delegate major authority, it just says Congress must be *clear* if and when it wants to do so.
Seems like a fair balance of democratic accountability with modern pragmatism.
Yes, "warning", that's one word for it...
If the EPA were properly accounting for the likely impacts on Florida, it would conclude that we should burn as much coal as possible.
You assume that this 11,000 year old warming trend is anthropogenic.
No. He doesn't "assume."
Sure we are in a relatively long term warm spell, but that doesn't address the fact that in the later1800's at the exact moment we had enough thermometers deployed to create a global temperature record that we were at precisly the most optimal temperature in the history of the planet.
Which I will admit its a huge coincidence, but there it is.
And any deviation from that temperature spells catastrophe, despise the Holocene and Roman and medival warming periods were warmer than the present era.
Because putting Florida under water has massive net benefits to humankind?
And the right wing rampage goes on unabated.
Strip reproductive health care rights from a majority of Americans? Check.
Rule the First Amendment unconstitutional? State funded religion yay! Check.
Undo that nasty liberal Nixon's legacy and pave the way back to more polluted environment? (In the process, the fact that Alito's mother was the only person censured and fired as leader of the EPA has nothing to do with it.) Check.
And they are just getting started. You idiots that post here regularly will have a lot to celebrate.
Why make Congress pass laws when some anonymous rando can just make laws at the whim of a President-King? Right?
Congress did pass a law, the EPA was acting within their delegated authority. But since the conservatives didn't like it, a doctrine had to be invented in order to strike down the EPA's action. Hello major questions doctrine! Welcome to the pantheon of made-up shit that today passes for constitutional law.
Delegation is a questionable practice but even if you accept it, what the EPA was doing was nowhere within any authority delegated to them so far.
Why not?
Why not what? There was simply no basis in existing law delegating authority from Congress to the EPA to usurp management of the entire US energy industry. The DC Circuit's opinion was based on ... I don't actually know what. The most charitable interpretation is a feckless expansion of Chevron deference but even that doesn't stand close scrutiny. The best most folks have managed is 'the EPA must have the power because they're doing stuff I like'. That's simply not a proper basis for government in a free society.
You're asking a consequentialist question.
That is not the proper question when examining scope of authority.
It could maybe apply to overdelegation.
Pick a lane.
Why was what the EPA was doing "nowhere within any authority delegated to them so far."
Because Congress said that when a power plant is permitted the most efficient emissions control system has to be installed. Then the power plant is approved and allowed to operate.
Now the EPA is trying to say all the power plants are one big system, and the coal plant can't operate unless the wind, solar, hydro, nuclear, and natural gas are all running at capacity. And that's what Congress meant when they said the most efficient emissions reduction system. Despite for 40 years the EPA was managing emissions on a plant by plant basis.
You really can't see anything wrong with having Congress clarify its intent after 40 years of a pretty clear understanding of the scope of power the delegated, can you?
Alpheus W Drinkwater
June.30.2022 at 12:51 pm
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"Congress did pass a law, the EPA was acting within their delegated authority. "
A ) Except the EPA was not acting within the delegated authority
B) the science supporting the concept of CO2 as a pollutant is quite dubious.
Yeah, Joe.
You and Clayton know better.
Benard - like a typical leftist, you blindly accept the "Science" because it fits you leftist ideology. Try to use some critical thinking skills
The science supporting CO2 as a "pollutant" remains quite dubious.
Joe, if the EPA was clearly acting outside their delegated authority, SCOTUS could just have said that. There would've been no need to decide based on major questions doctrine.
The point remains valid - the EPA did not have the statutory authority to regulate CO2
In summary, the EPA was NOT acting within their delegated authority.
from the sylibus - The Agency determined that the interpretive question raised by the Clean Power Plan fell under the major questions doctrine. Under that doctrine, it determined, a clear statement is necessary for a court to conclude that Congress intended to delegate authority “of this breadth to regulate a fundamental sector of the economy.” Id., at 32529. It found none.
Yes, that's what I said. They needed to use their made-up doctrine because they couldn't show that EPA wasn't acting within their authority just using the plain language of the delegation. You're just begging the question.
Are you seriously trying to argue that the EPA had the delegated authority ?
Which comes first major question doctrine or delegated authority question
Which comes first ? the chicken or the egg?
If the EPA doesnt meet the test under the major question doctrine, the EPA certainly doesnt have any delegated authority.
Can you really not see that continuing to justify the decision using made-up doctrines is just proving my point? Yes, the EPA have the delegated authority, if you go by Congress' text. What's more, you and the SCOTUS majority agree since you insist on using manufactured doctrines to justify your decision.
Well Congress should just go back and make it clear then.
Because none of this was brought up when they debated the law.
SCOTUS isn't limiting Congress' authority, the President faithfully executes the laws, he doesn't make them, Congress does.
Congress should do a lot of things they aren't doing. And once again, I think the proof that that it isn't so clear that EPA was exceeding their authority is in the fact that SCOTUS needed to use a doctrine like major questions, rather than just make the case using the language of the delegation.
"Alito's mother"
Fake news!
It wasn't Justice Alito's mother who was the wingnut who resigned in disgrace after being caught delaying cleanup of toxic sites to influence elections.
That lowlife Republican was Justice Gorsuch's mother.
It is important to recognize that the shabby conduct, disgraceful record, and low character of Justice Gorsuch's mother should not be held against him. Plenty of people overcome shitty parents and become good people.
Understood. You’re not in favor of government by the people.
Or the rule of law.
Ha ha. Say the commenters supporting five appointed-for-life judges overruling the will of Congress. Again.
If the will of Congress is to delegate their authority in a way that they can’t, then it should be overridden.
That's true, but I think the non-delegation doctrine is just as made up from nothing as major questions. As has been amply demonstrated, Congress delegated right from the start of the republic.
Unlike the Court overturning DOMA, and lots of state one man/one woman statutes. The left is finally getting what it dealt for 40 years.
That's fine, but then you are admitting that you have no principled objection to what you allege "the left" did for 40 years. You just disagree with outcomes. And how about Shelby County? VRA reauthorization, including section 5, was passed by a huge majority in both houses. I don't remember anyone on the right whining about "government by the people" when that decision came down.
I think you mean Gorsuch's mother, but since the rest is flight of fancy, maybe not so important to correct.
For more of adler's thoughts about this case, see not only his referenced links, but also the 03/02/22 episode of the "we the people" podcast; https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/podcast/the-epa-federal-power-and-the-future-of-climate-regulations
You'll get to hear more about old wine bottles and new wine, but also comments like this:
"one would hope that would result in Congress becoming more proactive about, um, legislating more regularly and more specifically, although the empirical evidence on whether
Congress would respond that way is, is definitely mixed."
"broad delegations combined with deference to let agencies invent new approaches to, to emerging problems, lets legislators off the hook. Um, it lets them, um, evade, accountability and
responsibility, uh, for what we elect them to do."
I don't know whether adler is really sincere in his expression of hope that congress would legislate more regularly and specifically when it concerns climate change. He also says;
"I take seriously the notion that, um, we are at an age of legislative dysfunction. Um, I've, I've done some work with Chris Walker at Ohio State trying to explore ways to incentivize Congress to be a more active legislator"
The above comment seems like pure fantasy. One party is fundamentally opposed to taking action on climate change. Continued dysfunction accomplishes that goal, so there will never be any incentive to overcome it. Adler and Chris Walker will have no luck with incentivizing congress to legislate about climate change issues. In the current political environment, Republicans will always get more votes and more campaign contributions by not legislating anything to alleviate climate change.
The scotus decision today is actually what lets republican legislators off the hook, because they don't have to take any hits for trying to legislate rolling back climate change regulations. They can just say that the court did it.
Way to raise a strawman. You are assuming climate change is susceptible to control by mankind. You are further assuming that the US alone can exercise this control, ignoring China, India, Africa, and a whole lot of people who would rather be warm in the winter, cool in the summer, and productive all year round.
And when I stand on the edge of a cliff, I take decisions based on the "assumption" that gravity is a thing. I'm sorry if physics inconvenciences you.
You should teach a course about whataboutism
"One party is fundamentally opposed to taking action on climate change. "
Yeah, one party doesn’t think Americans of 2022 should be punished because someone told you a story about the future.
You can see in the polls that Americans aren’t keen on the suffering you guys are imposing on them. You think they’ll change their mind and decide they like being made artificially poorer?
" I've done some work with Chris Walker at Ohio State trying to explore ways to incentivize Congress to be a more active legislator "
Prof. Adler seems too smart, and too familiar with Republicans, to possess any genuine hope along this line.
Adler sure tries to sell his hope during the podcast. He also says this;
"climate change is an incredibly important question. It's a problem we should be addressing more proactively than we are. Uh, I also think that given that it's that sort of problem, it's the sort of problem that Congress needs to speak to. Um, you know, they, they get, they get the fancy offices and the cute little la-lapel pins because they're legislators and it's their obligation to legislate."
But even if Adler really believes all of the above, he'd have to be less smart than he is to really believe any of that is actually going to happen.
He waxes poetic about old wine bottles being used for modern life (wine) that has changed to involve banking on smartphones and streaming video instead of a handful of VHF/UHF broadcast channels. He says that the people (through their legislators) need to speak again to update law when circumstances have changed. We can't pour new wine out of old bottles.
Administrative law is very different than constitutional law, but the old bottles of constitutional law are being interpreted to adapt to the newest wine. Someone could say that the 2nd amendment's reference to "arms" couldn't have any meaning about modern arms, and the people need to speak again (through a constitutional amendment) to speak specifically about modern arms. But somehow the old bottles of centuries ago can carry modern arms just as well. But power plant emissions, smartphone banking, and non-broadcast video always need brand new bottles.
So the Democrats who control both houses and the White House cannot change the law?
No. They can't. Do you read the newspapers?
They have to deal with a lot of idiots and people in the pocket of the fossil fuel industries, and coal magnate Manchin.
Got any more snark?
Everything to you comes down to evil right wing special interests, doesn’t it?
Meanwhile the special interest groups on the left that control the Democrats are all mom and pop super virtuous angels.
Bottom line is this - the SC did you a favor today by slowing this stuff down. You’ll never admit it and you probably don’t even understand it, but they did. Unless you want to go all the way back to coal, like Germany is having to do now to keep people from freezing to death this winter.
I understand just fine.
And no, it's not just evil RW's, it's also stupid ones.
You want environmental heaven, move to Germany. They’ve already done what you insist on here. Your plan has already doubled energy prices here, but at least you can ooze virtue and smugness.
And no you don’t understand jack shit about energy.
Bevis, I'm not insisting on anything, other than that we take climate change seriously.
My personal opinion is that either a carbon tax or a cap-and-trade approach would be a good solution, but I'm open.
That’s my issue. I think the panic is overdone but I’m fine with “taking it seriously” in a manner that is rational and not harmful. That’s the problem. The current administration gives the appearance If taking it seriously but the degree to which their plan is controlled by politics renders it ridiculous. It won’t work. Germany demonstrates that. Hell, California demonstrates that.
Do you want something that’ll be the best we can do? If so, start with dropping the expectation that we’ll get carbon emissions to absolute zero. That’s political bullshit that isn’t close to realistic with current tech. It’s got to be some combo of nuclear, natural gas, and renewables. Mix it however you want, but renewables top out at maybe 30%. Beyond that will bring down the grid.
Legislative dysfunction is entirely the result of turning our original federalist system of decentralized government on its head, and adopting an absurdly centralized system governing an empire of vastly different peoples and preferences.
This is really standard Adler on environmental issues, especially climate change.
He accepts that there's a problem, but no solution ever measures up to his rigorous Constitutional standards. "Sad. Nothing to be done."
"He accepts that there's a problem, but no solution ever measures up to his rigorous Constitutional standards. "Sad. Nothing to be done.""
No, his (and the court's) response is "if something needs to be done, Congress needs to do it."
Run on climate change and win elections is the answer in a democracy. Not dwciding Congress doesn't do what I want then the bureaucracy will. The Supreme Court has decided that the government taking over control of billions of dollars of private assets and managing them is a major question that Congress must decide.
I oppose the clean power plan, but I accept if Congress passes it then I lose. Why can't you accept that if Congress won't pass it then you lose?
You never hear about it in the media, but US emissions have been dropping for the last 15 years. We’re now down to where we were around 1990 GDP adjusted. I contributed a lot to that, so you’re welcome Martin.
And there’s a reasonable chance that Congress could come up with a reasonable plan to continue or even accelerate our decrease in carbon emissions. It would include all low carbon sources, including nuclear and natural gas. Also development of tech to strip carbon out of emissions. But the left is being so doctrinaire that it’ll be tough to do. Better to glue oneself to a painting than support something that has a chance to work.
It's not about decreasing carbon emissions. It's about political power.
Promoting nuclear & gas helps achieve the fake goal, but not the real one.
That “GDP adjusted” is a bit of a problem, isn’t it? If population growth results in the local reservoir running out of water, does it really matter if water use has actually declined on a per capita basis? Would that argument really fully justify doing nothing? When resources are finite, hard limits override soft arguments, and absolute use matters a whole lot more than per-capita, per-GDP, or per whatever use.
Correct.
And manufacturing as a share of US GDP has declined substantially since 1990, so there is no reason to think emissions would "normally" track GDP without an effort to reduce them.
They would naturally decline as the manufacturing share shrunk.
Of course, some of that shrinkage is due to manufacturing moving to China, so we've just shifted the source of our emissions. Even though everyone complains about China, one way to measure US emissions is by "emissions consumed," the emissions created by the production of things we consume, regardless of where they are made.
We might have less to yell about.
It’s also down in absolute terms. And per capita. And the majority of the drop was due to natural gas displacing coal. Most offshoring was done before this period.
But self flagellating and punishing someone by destroying our electrical system is the only thing that will satisfy y’all. Just can’t even admit it when we do something right.
Are you talking about real GDP or nominal?
On behalf of all of us who live at or below sea level, thank you very much. Now please don't undo all that progress just to please a few thousand swing voters in West Virginia.
And yes, there's a "reasonable" chance that Congress "could" do something productive in this area. Then again, there's also a reasonable chance that pigs might fly. If you want to understand why, just read this thread and imagine that at least 30% of the American electorate are crazier than that.
Hey, rising sea will keep your civil engineers and construction workers employed for decades to come.
By the way send a few thousand east to help Bangladesh. You seemed ultra-concerned about them.
"just to please a few thousand swing voters in West Virginia."
LOL West Virginia is one of the most GOP states in the country now. Trump got 68% in 2020. Swing voters don't matter.
You comment a lot on US politics, maybe learn something about it first,
True in terms of presidential politics. But the impact of Joe Manchin has been very significant, including which party controls the senate.
Sure, but its not a few "swing voters" Joe is concerned about. Its getting enough GOP voters to stick with him.
Hang on, "GOP voters" who vote for a Democratic (theoretically) senator aren't "swing voters"? Or, to put that another way, voters who might vote for Manchin or might vote for the GOP nominee aren't "swing voters"?
West Virginia resembles rural Ohio, if rural Ohio were slightly closer to Mississippi, Alabama, and collapse.
STATES RANKED BY EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT
(with territories, 52 ranked)
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
West Virginia 44
COLLEGE DEGREE
West Virginia 52
ADVANCED DEGREE
West Virginia 50
BIGOTED HAYSEEDS
West Virginia 3
" a few thousand swing voters in West Virginia "
Bob has a point. The only things swinging in West Virginia these days are jaws . . .
and, course, brother-sister-cousin-niece parties.
Haven't you been paying attention. This administration HAS been doing something. Via executive action, by constraining future fossil fuel production, in conjunction with the post-pandemic economic rebound, they've encouraged higher gasoline prices, a long time environmentalist goal. Pricing fossil fuels more in line with their "externalities".
Unfortunately for the party in power, the American people really don't like it.
Too bad Dems taught Americans they can have what they want and never pay a price. Now the payment is due and Santa Claus isn’t coming to the rescue.
So your party is too busy being transfriendly to change the law?
So you do have more snark.
There’s a compromise plan possible with enough there for everyone to keep reducing emissions. And the bonus would be that it could actually work, unlike the path to disaster we’re on. I note form the open thread that you have yet to explain to us how an abject failure of a plan in Germany is going to work here.
In order to have a chance, people on the right need to quit screaming “drill baby drill” and completely dismissing green stuff and people on the left need to quit screeching “no nukes” and gluing themselves to shut to protest hydrocarbons. Our politicians are pliable fools. Push them to be extremist and that’s what they’ll be. How about we push them to be reasonable and fix stuff? Because there is no all-or-nothing solution to this.
And I hope you’re on a Chinese message board bitching at them because they’re a much bigger part of your problem than we are.
How about just making the whole planet freezing cold all year long?
Carl Sagan proved this was possible.
Roberts: Textualism - and legislative history - for me but not for thee. It’s no more complex than that.
Holy hell. NPR: The decision….seems to reject any holistic regulatory attempt to deal with climate change.”
These people are either stupid to the point of disability or hopelessly dishonest or living with burlap bags over their heads. The approach this administration is taking is exactly the opposite of holistic.
I think the existing language supports the at leadt something resembling the application.
I see the critical language as the definition of a “tehnological process for admissions reduction” for PRODUCTION OR OPERATION which is inherently low-polluting or non-polluting.”
Moreover, a “stationary source” is a “building, structure, or facility” with no reference to any particular method of production, it is wimply requiring them to use a different “technological process for admissions reduction.” It’s true changing the technological process changes the manner of “production or operation” entirely rather than simply at tail end of the production process. But the statute authorizes.
The statute requires uniform regulations, so it has to be implemented at the level of each plant, not at the system of power plants as a whole, and this is the issue the Court found against the Administration on. But if it issues regulations that apply to each plant uniformly, it would be within the confines of this part of the statute even if it requires every coal plant to change to something else.
So if the EPA required every coal plant to change to (say) solar, it woild appear to be within the confines of the statute.
Thanks for the excellent write-up, Jonathan Adler.
I've been off of Volokh for a number of years. The comments section has gotten pretty ugly. Though I remember myself calling one of the contributors a hack for some reason; he was rather taken aback as I recall!