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Is It Unconstitutional for Laws to Be Based on Their Supporters' Religiously Founded Moral Beliefs?
This perennial question came up again in an e-mail from a reader about the abortion debate, so I thought I'd blog again about it. I think the answer is not just "no," but "hell, no"—I think it would be an outrageous discrimination against religious believers to have such a constitutional rule, and fortunately nothing in the history or the precedents of the Establishment Clause supports this position.
The argument is this: Isn't it illegitimate for the government to ban abortion, or to ban cloning, or fail to recognize same-sex marriages, when most of the arguments for that position are essentially religious? Isn't that an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state, or at least a violation of some democratic norm that people ought not force their religious views on others?
But most of the coercive laws that we hotly debate involve the forcing of a majority's views on the minority. That's true of laws protecting endangered species, antislavery laws, antidiscrimination laws, animal cruelty laws, environmental laws, intellectual property laws—or for that matter bans on infanticide, child sexual abuse, or more generally murder, rape, or theft. Some of these laws may be sound on the merits, and others unsound. But the fact that they force one group's views on another doesn't make them violations of the Establishment Clause, regardless of the source of the first group's views.
Likewise, specifically as to abortion, different people have different views about when life begins, or, to be more precise, when the protection against being killed or aborted by one's parent or parents should arise. A few people believe that this line is some point after birth. (Indeed, historically, the ancient Romans allowed parents to expose their unwanted children.) Some people believe it's at birth, though that appears to be very much a minority view in America (at least as of 2012).
Some people believe it's at around six months into the pregnancy, the point at which Roe v. Wade held abortion could generally be forbidden. Some people believe it's at viability, the point at which Planned Parenthood v. Casey held abortion could generally be forbidden. Some people believe it's at three months. Some believe it's at conception. Some would draw other lines. But wherever the line is drawn—and it must be drawn somewhere—that's a legal constraint that forces some people's views on others.
Religious people have moral views just like secular people do, and they're just as entitled as secular people to use the political process to enact their views into law. True, religious people's moral views may rest on unproven and probably unprovable metaphysical assumptions—but the same is generally true as to secular people's moral views.
To say that religious arguments must be excluded from public debate, while equally unprovable secular moral arguments may continue to be made, would be to turn into second-class citizens those people whose basic moral views come from their religion. Neither the Constitution nor sound political morality require this.
In fact, many important political movements—the antislavery movement, the civil rights movement, and various antiwar movements—were composed in large part of religious people who acted for explicitly religious reasons, and justified their positions using explicitly religious arguments. Would we say that opposition to slavery was illegitimate because it was mostly overtly religious? If not, then we also can't condemn opposition to cloning or abortion or same-sex marriage on these grounds.
But what about the Establishment Clause? Well, the Supreme Court has explicitly held that the Establishment Clause doesn't invalidate laws simply because their supporters backed them for religious reasons. See, e.g., McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420, 442 (1961); Bob Jones Univ. v. United States, 461 U.S. 574 (1983); Harris v. McRae, 448 U.S 297, 319-20 (1980). And for the reasons I mention above, the Court's decisions here were correct.
True, the First Amendment does bar the government from teaching religion, from requiring religious practices such as prayer, and (generally) from singling out conduct for better or worse treatment because it's religiously motivated (e.g., punishing religious animal sacrifices but not secularly motivated animal killing, or giving a sales tax exemption to religious publications but not secular ones). But it doesn't bar the government from implementing religiously-motivated prohibitions on people's conduct, whether as to murder, theft, slavery, civil rights, cloning, or abortion.
Nor do I know of any evidence that the Establishment Clause was generally understood in 1791, in 1868, or any time in between or since as discriminating against religious believers this way. It may be convenient for secularists—and I myself am not religious—to have their moral reasons for lawmaking be permitted, and have their religious rivals' moral reasons declared unconstitutional or otherwise illegitimate. But there's no basis for thinking that the Constitution embodies any such discriminatory rule.
There are lots of good arguments to oppose cloning bans, abortion bans, bans on homosexual conduct, and the like. The supporters of such prohibitions may be wrong on moral or pragmatic or constitutional grounds. But the bans aren't made invalid by the fact that many of their supporters act for religiously influenced moral reasons, as opposed to secularly influenced moral reasons.
(For a different connection between abortion and religion, see my post on abortion and the Free Exercise Clause.)
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" . . . Isn't that an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state . . . "
Shall we continue to distinguish between the US Constitution and private letters?
Please?
Without invoking religion, the constitution and biology are sufficient. Prior to viability, the fetus is tissue, and part of the mother. Her body integrity and control are protected by the Fourth Amendment. After viability, the fetus is a person. Its life is protected by the Fifth Amendment Due Process Clause.
And you know this because . . . ?
I don't think the issue is whether a particular law can be grounded in religious belief. I think the issue is whether, in addition to being grounded in religious belief, it also serves a secular purpose. Many religions would object to child rape, but there is also a perfectly fine secular purpose for laws against child rape.
The problem is when a law has no secular purpose, and is based only on someone's religious belief.
The secular purpose is that a group of people believe (for whatever reason) that a fetus is a human life, and it is morally wrong to kill a human life.
Whether the reasons for that belief are religion, the writings of a persuasive ethicist, a 17th century poem, or a Magic 8 ball, they are entitled to have their beliefs heard and respected. Disqualifying some portion of them because their reasons happen to come from religion would be to discriminate against them on the basis of their religion.
"The secular purpose is that a group of people believe . . ." starts out on the wrong foot. Groups of people believe many things, some of them grounded in reality, others not. I think you have to do better than just say that you believe something to be true. Despite their many imperfections, science and reason are more likely to ultimately lead us to the right place than someone's belief.
Would it surprise you to learn that both Soviet Communists and German Nazis firmly believed that they were following "science and reason"?
That they abused science and reason doesn't mean that there isn't legitimate science and reason. A forged dollar bill doesn't mean real dollars don't exist.
Geez, our federal government would never abuse science and reason, would it? Nah...
That's an argument for eternal vigilance and not against science and reason.
But more to the point, everyone here who disparages science nevertheless lives his life as if he believes in science. He cooks on a stove, flies in airplanes, drives cars, uses the Internet -- in other words, acts like someone who thinks science actually works.
Compare and contrast that with many religious whose lives are totally at variance with what they claim to believe. Then get back to me on which system actually produces better results.
That's engineering and technology.
Science is the process that leads to inventions, not the inventions themselves. You don't have to be able to understand blackbody radiation in the infrared spectrum, or areodynamic lift, or oxidation of alkanes, or how a transistor functions, or how to build a chip by vapor deposition, in order to use these devices. You don't have to know what discoveries led to these inventions, or the improvements made to them over generations of iterative improvements. You don't even have to trust in the people who had the original idea. You only have to trust the end product and the salesman who tells you that this stove is more efficient than last year's, this plane is safer, this car is faster/larger/more fuel efficient/has more bells-and-whistles, today's internet is more secure.
Sure, somebody had to come up with a brilliant idea, but that person has been dead for years if not centuries.
In fact, the inventor of most of these things and all of the other tools that make modern life possible is rarely a scientist.
The scientist is the person that the inventor goes to with the question "Why doesn't my brilliant idea work?" and after years of modeling and testing manages to figure out how the inventor's process actually works, and what makes it work, or not, and then some other engineer comes along and uses that data to actually make the invention do the thing it was supposed to do.
(Meanwhile another engineer has been working on the problem by brute-force trial and error, and come up with something else that works, maybe not perfectly, but enough to get the job done.)
Yes and no. Science tells me that the laws of heat will make my breakfast taste better; the actual invention of the stove is the application of how to harness those laws to cook my breakfast.
"Science tells me that the laws of heat will make my breakfast taste better;"
What? What type of hogwash is this? "Science tells me...".... "The laws will make my breakfast taste better...."...
There is so much logically wrong with this statement in principle, in subject-object agreement, in concept.... It encapsulates in a nutshell the primary problem.
Some people have replaced belief in religion with belief in "Science" (Capital S). They don't actually understand science, it's just a shift in a belief system to "Science" which is misapplied. It's like the shift to the belief in "Communism" where "Communism" would make everything work better.
Armchair Lawyer, speaking of people who don't understand science, have you looked in the mirror lately?
Uh, no Krychek_2. The situation changes when the government abuses science and reason, and then decides what is 'legitimate' science and reason. No. You are just mistaken here.
Granted the government can do more damage by abusing science and reason than a private party can (well, most of the time anyway). And I started out by acknowledging that science and reason are imperfect. But they're the best we've got of the choices available. They come with internal checks and balances, their underlying principles are well understood, and they must be falsifiable.
Cover stories to be the kleptocrats-in-chief. They were just nastier with the narratives to get tbe majority furious on this or that minority.
Democracy and a free press forces our own kleptocrats to be somewhat nicer.
re: "science and reason are more likely to ultimately lead us to the right place"
You and I are entitled to that belief. We are now, however, entitled to force our belief on those who fundamentally disagree with us. There are people who sincerely believe that science and reason are incapable of answering questions of morality and that it is impossible to form a coherent moral philosophy on that basis. They conclude that religion must be the source of all morality. We are entitled to disagree with them and to compete in the marketplace of ideas. But we cannot simply dismiss them and to unilaterally impose our own will. A technocracy can be every bit as tyrannical as the worst despotism.
But science and reason are testable; if you want Result Y, Method X is how you get there. The person who says that God wants gays and abortionists to be executed has nothing of substance to point to for that belief.
A technocracy has its own problems but that's a specific application of science and reason. Most things in life are neither good nor bad per se, but become good or bad depending on how they're used.
You are assuming your premise. The ability to test whether Method X gets you there says nothing about whether we as a society should want Result Y in the first place.
Whatever we as a society should want, the function of science is to show us how to get there.
And if science says a religious society is happier and more productive? What then?
If you’ve got actual hard data that shows that, fine. I suspect you don’t.
Just for starters....
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religious-people-happier-healthier-our-new-global-study-explores-this-question/
"Actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as “very happy”"
"the actively religious are generally less likely than the unaffiliated to smoke and drink"
"People who attend religious services at least monthly often are more likely than “nones” to join other types of (nonreligious) organizations, such as charities and clubs."
"The actively religious generally are more likely than others to vote"
Well, you've gone from "happier and more productive" to more likely to describe themselves as happy, more likely to vote, less likely to smoke, and more likely to join other organizations. Aside from the blatant goalpost moving, you're not even reading the data correctly.
If a person is a "joiner" then that person will join both religious organizations and other organizations; it's the personality type of being a joiner that's governing the behavior.
More likely to vote includes people who rage-vote, and less likely to smoke or drink doesn't correlate to happiness. I'll give you the one about being more likely to consider themselves happy.
Bottom line: Saudi Arabia is a deeply religious country; Denmark is not. Which would you consider more likely to be a happy place?
And by the way, there are powerful evolutionary reasons for why we have religion; we have a pretty good idea when and why religion evolved. It does in fact bring about group cohesion and give people a sense of belonging. (It also makes people do nasty things like start wars and persecute others not of the faith, but leave that aside.)
But all of that is a separate question from whether religion is actually true. Something doesn't need to be true in order to be socially useful; historically, many lies have been socially useful at one time or another.
The question is if you're setting policy, and someone says that his God doesn't approve of gay marriage, is that a sufficient reason to ban it. I say not without more.
K2, what are you claiming now?
Religion literally predates writing - we have zero knowledge about when it began or how. The closest we can come is artifacts that we think may be religious that date back to some 40K years ago. But they might not be religious, because we have no records of that time.
"I think you have to do better than just say that you believe something to be true."
Nope. Just take the proposition that it is wrong to kill another human without a justification like self-defense. There is no scientific reason or secular proof that this proposition is true. People just believe it, or they don't.
Indeed. Well said.
Not quite. The problem is when a law was not written to protect a right belonging to another individual, but to serve some arbitrary purpose.
Thus an abortion ban is OK if we are willing to accept that the unborn child is a person. But a law ordering stores to close on Sundays, would in my opinion violate the Establishment Clause.
LOL = But a law ordering stores to close on Sundays, would in my opinion violate the Establishment Clause
Paramus, NJ in the People's Republic of NJ. Stores closed Sundays, by law.
We have crazy 'Blue Laws' in the People's Republic of NJ. Bergen County is notorious for them, jdgalt1.
If I recall correctly, the blue laws of Bergen County were upheld because it is not irrational to allow people a day of respite from work and traffic, and there's no good reason that day can't be a Sunday. Are there any Jewish-majority communities where Saturday is the day businesses are legally required to be closed?
Years ago I read an article about Saudi Arabia's weekend days which said they had been chosen to be different from Israel's weekend days.
I agree with Eugene's analysis and conclusion here, but I'm also not aware of any law that was enacted with the specific purpose (as stated by the legislature) of furthering religious teachings or beliefs. Additionally, I'm not aware of any legal arguments made in favor of a law that invoke solely religious purposes.
If a state passed a law prohibiting abortion and asserted, as the states interest, the furtherance of Christian moral teaching, would the state interest be accepted as legitimate by a court? Would the law be upheld under a rational review standard? Or, is the legislature required to put forward a secular purpose for the law that is rationally related to a secular state interest?
Quantum, your comment seems more to the point than anything EV provided.
I started out quite certain that of course religious moral teaching can be a legitimate basis for law. After reading EV's mostly ipse dixits (or the equivalent from legal decisions), I have begun to wonder if there is reasonable support for that notion.
Another take on it might be framed this way: Does the constitution entitle Americans to secular government? If not, does that mean it entitles Americans to be ruled religiously? If those imply an excluded middle, how do you define it?
I do not think EV sorted that out.
"...(Indeed, historically, the ancient Romans allowed parents to expose their unwanted children.)..."
Is it possible that this sentence is missing a few words? I don't think I understand this sentence as it's written. (Expose to the elements? Change 'expose' to "kill"???)
I wondered if it was supposed to be "dispose of"...
Ah, that does make sense.
I assumed "expose ... to the elements". I doubt the Romans are the only society to have practiced it, either - just the best documented.
Putting Moses in a basket might qualify. It's Bible-approved!
Exposing infants was and is one method of infanticide. It was practiced both by the classical Greeks and Romans. It involved taking an infant or young child out into the wilderness and leaving (i.e. exposing) him or her there, where he or she died in a variety of ways. It didn't always work, however. According to Roman legend, Romulus and Remus (the founders of Rome) were exposed, but then discovered and raised by a she-wolf.
"Expose" is the full and complete term for the practice of abandoning a child in the wilds. While, yes, you were exposing the child to the elements, more importantly you were exposing them to the local predators, many of whom were more than capable of carrying off a human infant.
Exposure was common across many cultures (possibly all of them) at some point or another. It was not unique to the Romans.
If progs want to argue that you have to be Christian to find baby killing wrong more power to them.
Who's talking about killing babies? (Other than those ancient Romans Eugene referenced in his OP.)
The overall thrust of the article was dealing with the abortion issue. IDK if you were missing that, or if you were trying to make a point that you don't think abortion is baby-killing, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case you were missing it.
It's not just about abortion. Conservatives have used religious reasoning to argue against all sorts of things: slavery (for and against), segregation, miscegenation, women's right to work, sodomy, same-sex marriage, abortion, contraception, teaching the theory of evolution, teaching the theory of the big bang, acknowledging that trans teens exist, etc. and so-on.
If abortion is the only topic you think of when you hear this discussion, that's more about you and what you pay attention to then what religiously-motivated conservative legislators have been up to.
Re-read the article and also think about the cultural context (the Dobbs leak) in which it was written and the fact that the comments that prompted this article were almost certainly in reference to that issue.
You mean to say "liberals" are capable of DISCRIMINATION? Say it ain't so!
(Of course, anyone who's familiar with the regular ranting & raving by our resident "reverend" figured this out a long time ago.)
fwiw prior to the mid 1800's many (more than 1/2?) of the laws were based on some form of religious morality.
prior to the mid 1800 our legal system had some notable immoralities.
Joe_dallas, that question mark is doing a hilarious amount of equivocating. You have no idea whether that is true, nor does anyone else.
So? Before the mid 1800s people had no electricity, running water, and died in childhood from diseases that are now preventable.
There ought to be a way to repeal, or rewrite or add to, constitutional provisions dating back to that awful era. Perhaps there could be some kind of amendment process?
All morality is a form of religion. Furthermore, what a person does NOT believe is also a part of their religious beliefs. A Christian believes that there is a God who created the world, that Jesus is His Son, that the Bible is His perfect and true word. Those are his/her religious beliefs. But believing that the Bible is just fairy tales, is also a religious belief. Atheism is a religious belief. Whatever one believes about religious issues is a religious belief. A "non-religious" person might not classify their beliefs about religious issues as "religious beliefs" but that's what they are. It is not possible for a person not to have religious beliefs, nor is it possible for a person's religious beliefs to not play a role in his or her reasoning.
And "bald" is a hair color.
Which is to say: people are more capable of nuance then the DMV "hair color" field. Act like it.
I'm not sure what your "Act like it" was in reference to. My point was to say that people cannot vote/legislate according to their religious beliefs doesn't work. All people have religious beliefs, and those beliefs color the way they see the world, and thus the way they vote and legislate. The pro-choice individual is voting as much out of a religious belief as the pro-lifer. The pro-gay-rights individual is voting as much out of religious beliefs as the anti-gay-rights individual.
All people have religious beliefs,
They don't. Atheists not have religious beliefs. Lack of belief is not a belief. (Cf Pratchett - not collecting stamps is not a hobby)
They have a belief that there is no God. It is not a "lack of belief" but rather an affirmative belief that there is no God. That is a religious belief.
The explanation to this took all of two seconds to discern: If the premise were true, then no laws would be constitutional because someone, somewhere, would have (or could be found to have) a sincere religious belief in them.
I think this is the right answer. If a bill were to cite the Bible, Koran, Talmud etc as authority then there's a clear problem. But if the bill doesn't cite any religious reasons, then it makes no difference if some lawmakers vote for it for religious reasons while others vote for it for non-religious ones.
But I think the public argument over this issue conflates politics with law. People who promote banning abortion often do cite religious reasons, which in today's world is generally bad politics. It gives the other side a chance to say "hey, that's unconstitutional religion-based government!" Which it isn't really, but it's good politics for them to tar it as such, and over time the conventional wisdom has become that banning abortion somehow violates the establishment clause.
I generally agree with your statement, except I disagree that "People who promote banning abortion often do cite religious reasons." I think, these days, the majority of Pro-life people cite constitutional reasons. That is why they call their movement "Right to life." They assign constitutionally protected rights to the unborn, and argue that the unborn have a right to life. People read religious reasons into these people's statements because A) The Church itself has taken a pro-life stance, so any agreement with it is presumed to be BECAUSE of it, and B) A large number, if not most, of these Pro-life advocates happen to be Christian, so while they cite legal and Constitutional reasons for their political views on abortion, religious reasons are assigned to them either by presumption or in an intentional effort to discredit them.
I want to second your comment abhudd47. Although I consider myself a Christian, my denomination, the Episcopal Church, is not known as a strong supporter of the right to life; it's more likely to get active as an opponent of the right to keep and bear arms. When Roe v. Wade was decided, I was a fairly recent graduate of law school, and unchurched. I was shocked and dismayed by a decision that, it seemed to me, dehumanized unborn children based on purely idealogical reasons. I didn't oppose the decision because my church told me so, but because the Supreme Court failed to provide any cogent justification for authorizing the killing of unborn human beings. (As I recall, at around the same time a lot of folks were demonstrating against the killing of baby seals.) Most of the screams and shouts against what is thought to be the Court's forthcoming decision in Dobbs are about what "they" shouldn't be allowed to do to "me". "My body, my choice". None of us can hear the voice of the unborn child pleading "my life, my life".
None of us can hear the voice of the unborn child pleading "my life, my life".
Nor can any of us hear sounds created in a vacuum, and for the same reason. Sounds, even pleas, which do not exist cannot be heard.
I haven't outraged anyone today, so here goes: nobody had any problems disallowing impermissible religious reasons when Trump was doing religious bans (claimed) on immigration from Muslim countries claiming a secular reason.
"But that was different because..."
Go ahead. Thread that camel through the eye if a needle, boys.
Yeah, you can't police that.
But in as much as religion can be expressly orthodox, I do think that's something to watch for in our pluralistic society.
Is this orthodox? I found this from 2013:
"We ask God’s blessing on our taxes due this April 15. We thank God for the ways that our taxes invest our money for the common good. Paying taxes is our sacred duty. And acting as citizens to assure that they are spent wisely is our sacred duty as well. Jesus said: “Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required.” (Luke 12: 48) Progressive taxation – the payment of a higher rate of taxation by those who have higher incomes – is just and good. Greater wealth depends greatly on tax-subsidized regulation and protection of the economy. And greater wealth carries with it a higher level of moral responsibility for the well-being of our society."
https://progressivechristianity.org/resources/blessing-of-the-taxes/
And the California Council of Churches referenced this in 2020:
"SPECIAL SUNDAYS, etc:...
"Tax Day: Blessing of the Taxes (in worship) - Prayer for Tax Day - Progressive Taxation and Christian Faith -"
http://www.calchurches.org/ccc-blog/getting-through-hard-times-resources-from-jim-burklo
From the National Council of Churches Web site:
"NCC Congratulates Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson on Her Confirmation to the Supreme Court"
https://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/ncc-congratulates-judge-ketanji-brown-jackson-on-her-confirmation-to-the-supreme-court/
"For more than 40 years, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC) has been the sole organization bringing interfaith and multiracial voices to reproductive health, rights and justice issues.
"Our member organizations represent diverse religions and theologies unified in preserving reproductive health, rights and justice as a basic principle of religious liberty and diversity.
"RCRC's Origins
"RCRC as it exists today evolved from an underground network of ministers and rabbis called the Clergy Consultation Service (CCS), formed in 1967, six years before the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in the United States.
"In response to the deaths and injuries of women caused by unsafe abortions, this group quietly referred women to abortion providers they had researched and found to be safe. Within one year, CCS drew 1,400 members nationwide."
https://rcrc.org/
Sure, those are fairly orthodox positions. I guess it depends on how you define orthodoxy, which is what Sarcastro said, but they are certainly mainline Protestantism. The mainline hasn't aged all that well since it's heyday in the 60s but the evangelical groups are now entering their own stage of decline.
NCC has been a communist front for at least three generations.
God only asks for ten per cent.
Ah, but that's the rub.
For the people that want to declare the bible the state book (a Tennesee legislator proposes doing so every year, for quite a while now), that we are a pluralistic society is the problem.
And that problem, that many politicians don't want a pluralistic society? I think that's a far worse one then random divine references.
For those politicians who don't want a pluralistic society, for many of them the divine references and the neglect of those who are not of the Faith are part-and-parcel.
All religions are a combination of philosophy and superstition, with superstition being beliefs that are unsupported by neither objective fact nor logically derived from objective fact.
It's perfectly appropriate for a religious legislator to bring philosophy and moral reasoning learned from their religion to public debate. What is inappropriate is to bring their superstitions as well.
We should not permit our representatives to make arguments from (invincible) authority. They should not be restrained by law, especially given the Speech and Debate clause, but they should suffer social consequences and be impeached or voted out of office.
The 13th Amendment is based on its framers religiously founded moral beliefs. John Calhoun regularly argued that slavery restrictions represent an imposition of religiously based morality violating the establishment clause. So the 13th Amendment, an imposition of religiously based morality if there ever was one, necessarily limits the scope of the Establishment Clause
But more fundamentally, the Court has repeatedly held that only beliefs about a supreme being or beings violate the Establishment Clause. Beliefs about human conduct never do so.
So when Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. said that racial segregation should be illegal because God says it is wrong, he no more violated the Establishment Clause than when Rev. Arthur Kirkland says Rev. Arthur Kirkland says segregation is wrong.
Were it otherwise, Rev. Arthur Kirkland’s supreme belief in himself would make following his pronouncements Establishment Clause violations.
What is a law against murder other than the enactment of a statute embodying one of the Ten Commandments? What is a law against perjury other than the enactment of a statute embodying one of the Ten Commandments? What is a law against theft other than the enactment of a statute embodying one of the Ten Commandments?
Can such laws violate the establishment clause because they mirror Judeo-Christian mores?
What is a law against murder other than the enactment of a statute embodying one of the Ten Commandments? What is a law against perjury other than the enactment of a statute embodying one of the Ten Commandments?
Secular jurisdictions to the present day prohibit murder and defamation. There are some laws that appear necessary for a civilisation to function. One purpose in having a myth of the divine origin of commandments is simply to avoid the question about where fundamental laws come from, evopsych not being a well-developed field in classical times.
The definition of murder can vary. It refers to a homicide that the law regards as especially wrong. Is intentional homicide a crime if done in self defense, in heat of passion, or to punish an unfaithful wife or promiscuous daughter? Is homicide a crime if the blood price has been paid? The idea that you can atone for a crime by payment to the victim instead of punishment is codified in my state's laws, but only for misdemeanors and not for felony homicide.
Both of those laws can be supported with reference to a moral code based on the 10 Commandments. However, unlike a ban on abortion after conception, those two laws can ALSO be supported with reference to a humanist moral code with a premise 1) every human has a right to their own life, and 2) taking the life of another violates 1) unless, and only unless, the taking of that life is necessary for a person to preserve the right stated in 1). There is no need to reference any religion - the right to one's life is necessary for HUMAN life, and that can also be defined without respect to religion. If a law can ONLY be justified by a religious belief, then it violates the Establishment clause, in my opinion.
In 2028, the Satanist Temple sues the state of Tennessee claiming that the Anti-Idols Act is unconstitutional. The act prevents the erection of images for worship and mentions Baphomet specifically in the preamble while declaring that images of Jesus are not themselves worshipped but are there as a reminder for the devout and hence are not covered by legislation.
The preamble explains that the secular purpose in preventing idol worship is due to research proving that idolaters are thereafter prone to mental illness.
The Satanic Temple win all the way up to the Supreme Court, but despict amici briefs from the ACLU, sundry Hindu organisations, etc. their case is dismissed per curiam though with a dissent from 4 judges who note that the claimed secular purpose is a complete fraud and the research was funded by the Westboro Baptist Church and appeared in a journal set up for the purpose.
Competent adults neither advance nor accept superstition-based arguments or assertions in reasoned debate, especially with respect to public affairs.
Clingers, however, can’t get enough nonsense.
Which is part of why conservatives cannot compete at the modern American marketplace of ideas.
And now we will perform the Blessing of the Taxes.
Jesus wants a progressive income tax.
"But most of the coercive laws that we hotly debate involve the forcing of a majority's views on the minority. That's true of laws protecting endangered species, antislavery laws, antidiscrimination laws, animal cruelty laws, environmental laws, intellectual property laws—or for that matter bans on infanticide, child sexual abuse, or more generally murder, rape, or theft. Some of these laws may be sound on the merits, and others unsound." Doesn't this passage blur the very core of what makes one law legitimate and another not? The reason some of these examples are of illegitimate laws is that they condone some citizens' forcing their will upon other citizens, whereas the other examples are of legitimate laws (like murder, rape, and theft) because they do the opposite: they prohibit some citizens from forcing their will upon other citizens. (Force in the sense of physical injury and restraint.) Without this distinction, what could ever be the basis of legitimate law and rights, other than simple majority rule or the will of a dictator?
To summarize, it is acceptable for a law to be based on its supporters religious beliefs because those people are just as entitled to a religious basis for their moral beliefs as anyone else is entitled to a secular basis for theirs, and there are plenty of examples of laws supported by moral precepts derived from religion where those that who support those laws impose restrictions on others. But the issue does not turn on the supporters legitimate beliefs, but rather when or if the government can be restrained from imposing behavior when there is NO OTHER rationale for the law than affirming a religious belief. And this would be the case for a law that bans abortion anytime after conception, which is beginning of state protected life for those whose religious doctrine says that conception is the point when god's miracle puts a soul into the fertilized human egg. There is simply no justification for such a law based on anything else but this religious miracle - no scientific rationale, no secular rationale, and I would be safe to say that zero people who are not fundamentalist in their religious belief on the topic would support such a law. Allowing the imposition of such a law removes any barrier to allowing the Government to impose sharia law and thereby turn our democratic republic into a theocracy, which is exactly what the establishment clause is supposed to prevent. If the Government is restrained from enacting a law based solely on a religious doctrine, the court must allow abortion after conception up to some point in the pregnancy. No other laws held up as examples are based solely on a moral proposition that is found no place other than a religion. Consider a law defining the destruction of a communion wafer after it has been blessed by a priest to be murder because the wafer has become the actual body of Christ. Surely such a law would be unconstitutional.