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Akhil Amar Dismantles The Flawed Dissents in WWH v. Jackson
Amar explains how Roberts and Sotomayor messed up Marbury.
After Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson, I wrote several posts criticizing the dissents from Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Sotomayor. First, I explained that these jurists embraced judicial supremacy, and conflated Marbury v. Madison with Cooper v. Aaron. Second, Justice Sotomayor messed up the constitutional history leading the Civil War: Lincoln opposed Dred Scott, because he rejected the myth of judicial supremacy. Ed Whelan made similar observations in posts titled, "Sotomayor's 'Analogous Sentiments'" and "John Roberts vs. John Roberts on Marbury and Judicial Supremacy."
Recently, Ed joined Akhil Amar's podcast, Amarica's Constitution. I encourage you to listen to the entire session. I've used Otter to transcribe it. Here are some (slightly cleaned up) excerpts.
First, Amar said that WWH v. Jackson did not represent any sort of assault on the courts. Rather, the case was far more narrow. He specifically called out Roberts and Sotomayor:
What was at stake here is not, with all due respect to Justice Sotomayor or to Chief Justice Roberts, any assault on the basic ability, right and the duty of court in proper cases to protect individual rights, with opinions that define the court's understanding of those of those rights. That wasn't an issue today, although some, I think, overheated rhetoric, in Justice Sotomayor's opinion, and frankly, in the Chief's opinion, might suggest that, but that's actually not what's at issue, as I understand it.
Second, Amar explains how the Chief Justice and Justice Sotomayor misread Marbury.
And what does Marbury v. Madison really mean? Marbury got invoked today by the United States Supreme Court. They don't actually cite Marbury v. Madison in every single case. So they ratcheted up the stakes today, they meaning John Roberts and Sonia Sotomayor, and this is what I teach Marbury vs. Madison isn't just ConLaw, it's FedCourts, you know, 101, and this is what I was hired actually at the law school to teach so so I want to actually go through it with just a little bit of care here. Here's what Marbury does not say, quote, "The Supreme Court is the ultimate interpret the Constitution" unquote. It doesn't say that at all. Our audience will put the will put the case up on our website, so they can do a word search, they will not find that they will find if they go online, the Supreme Court at least half a dozen times in the 20th and 21st century, citing Marbury for that proposition, but never with a page cite. The Supreme Court, the ultimate interpreter of the Constitution. Marbury actually didn't say that. It actually didn't say much at all about the Supreme Court as such. It actually talked about courts in General, the judicial department which includes, at a minimum, all federal courts, maybe state courts as well, which which Ed invoked.
Amar is 100% correct. This mythical account of judicial supremacy comes from Cooper v. Aaron, and not from Marbury v. Madison. I explain this history in my article, The Irrepressible Myth of Cooper v. Aaron.
Third, Amar acknowledges that S.B. 8 is inconsistent with Roe and Casey.
One of the things that really set Justice Sotomayor's nose out of joint and the Chief Justice's nose out of joint. [Nose out of joint refers to someone who is angry or annoyed]. And Justice Sotomayor's opinion was joined by Justices Breyer and Kagan and together that added up to four for those of you who are counting is that this Texas, fetal heartbeat law is pretty directly inconsistent with Roe v. Wade, and Casey, which are Supreme Court opinions from 1973 in 1992, respectively. Okay, they are.
But Amar chides the dissenters for conflating statutes and Supreme Court decisions. The former are the Supreme Law of the Land. The latter are not. Alas, the dissenters bought into the myth of judicial supremacy.
But a statute that's inconsistent with a Supreme Court opinion, even a Supreme Court opinion purporting to interpret the Constitution is not the same thing as a statute that's inconsistent with the Constitution itself. And, and one understanding of judicial supremacy and Ed rejects judicial supremacy. And so do I, if this is what judicial supremacy means, one understanding is she was too-quick conflation between what the Constitution actually says and what supreme how Supreme Court decisions have interpreted the constitution.
Fourth, Amar turns to Dred Scott and Lincoln. Here, Justice Sotomayor messed up the history leading to the Civil War.
So in our last week's episode, I said, Gee, Dred Scott said thus and so and actually, um, it said blacks couldn't be citizens. It really does say in the opinion. And Abraham Lincoln, actually his Attorney General, disagreed with that and actually issued a passport, a federal passport, to a black, which could only issue if that black were really citizen and Lincoln's Justice Department and Lincoln's excuse me, administration, his attorney general Bates took the position, that blacks were citizen, could be citizens under the Constitution, and the Dred Scott was just wrong. His obligation, Bates thought was to the Constitution, and not to the judicial opinion.
Akhil is exactly right. Justice Sotomayor's analogy to John C. Calhoun and nullification got the issue entirely backwards.
Fifth, Amar analogizes what Lincoln's administration did in the wake of Dred Scott to what Texas did in the wake of Roe and Casey: take actions that are not contrary to any court order, but allow a precedent to be tested.
Now, it's possible to imagine a lawsuit might have been able to materialize or not in which that could have been litigated. And the Supreme Court would have had the opportunity then to reaffirm Dred Scott or overrule it. And in effect, that's what Texas is is doing with it statute is passing a law, which will not be immune from judicial review, once it's actually directly enforced against abortion providers or their affiliates, they're Aiders and abettors. And as soon as, a minute, no matter what, what other remedies might exist, or ability to come to court, as soon as that law actually starts to get enforced against people, oh, there will be judicial review. And there will be a court case and the court that court case can easily get up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which can decide whether it wants to re-affirm Roe v. Wade and Casey or overturn them.
In my post, I wrote:
Indeed, S.B. 8 was enacted in the spirit of Lincoln--do not violate a Supreme Court precedent that binds particular parties, but do not give it any more effect than the law requires.
I think Amar would agree.
One of the perverse elements of the 1619 Project, and by extension, Justice Sotomayor's jurisprudence, is that advocates have to side with Taney on Dred Scott, and reject Lincoln. The foundation of modern critical racial theory is that blacks were inherently unequal under the Constitution. Any argument to the contrary must be rejected. For that reason, Noah Feldman has to line up with Jefferson Davis, in opposition to Lincoln. But if Lincoln was right, and Taney was wrong, then the 1619 Project and Justice Sotomayor are wrong. I'm with Lincoln. And I'm grateful that Amar holds this important line.
Recently, I've written about judicial courage. Amidst all the insanity going on at Yale Law School, Amar is demonstrating academic courage. He spoke openly at the Federalist Society convention against his Dean's policies, and invited Ed Whelan onto his podcast to talk about abortion. Bravo.
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That robo transcription could use some copy editing.
"Our audience will put the will put the case up on our website, so they can do a word search, they will not find that they will find if they go online,"
That's for sure.
It seems that the blackman kid is not persuaded by Orin Kerr's suggestion that the notion of "judicial courage" be retired. He hasn't offered up much of a reply to Orin, or an alternative to Orin's definition of "judicial courage":
"The Definition of a "Courageous" Judicial Decision: A judicial decision that stretches the law but nicely matches the observer's policy preferences." https://reason.com/volokh/2021/12/12/time-to-retire-the-notion-of-judicial-courage/
Instead, the blackman kid is adding another type of courage, "academic courage" (which also nicely matches the blackman kid's policy preferences).
I wonder how much courage it took for the blackman kid to do that? Or how much courage it would take for the blackman kid to engage with Orin, rather than just effortlessly piling on with Amar.
Judicial courage is pretty much the wussiest kind of courage. Now political courage takes balls—like me saying I side with Putin on Ukraine. 😉
I don't know, that seems like pretty weak sauce to me. Nearly everyone on the right loves Putin and hates democracy, so you're not really setting yourself out there, or going against the grain, with that view.
Perhaps if you could extend your love of Putin/Russia to support for Syria, then you might be demonstrating some political courage. Some enterprising syrian entrepreneurs have brought low cost captagon to europe and the middle east, making amphetamines more affordable for the entire region.
I don’t think Putin is right about Syria though. I think chaos in Syria makes a natural gas pipeline from the ME to Europe unlikely. The Russians in Ukraine would be better off in Russia because Russia is more prosperous. We had border disputes with Mexico for decades and the Americans in Tejas were better off being in America.
Calling Professor Blackman "the Backman kid" is extremely childish. Where do you think you are? In a playground?
Playground?
Yes.
When he wrote something for burwell several years ago, someone in the office said "who is this blackman kid?" (after googling his photo online), and it just stuck ever since.
I'm not using "professor", but I won't use "kid" anymore, since you've taken such offense.
"When he wrote something for burwell several years ago, someone in the office said 'who is this blackman kid?' "(after googling his photo online), and it just stuck ever since. Translation: My excuse for being childish is that I was not being original.
"I'm not using 'professor', but I won't use 'kid' anymore, since you've taken such offense." Translation: I know I'm wrong, but I won't admit that I know I'm wrong. Instead, I'll pretend that I'm deferring to the opinion of a total stranger just because that stranger told me that he took offense at my remark.
I honestly don't believe that "kid" is an offensive nickname.
You're the first person to complain about it. I've used it here for years.
Regardless of whether or not any pretending or deferring is going on (it's not), the result is the same. I'm retiring the nickname. It really isn't as applicable as it was in 2014, because like the rest of us, blackman hasn't gotten any younger since then.
Get a grip of yourself you fucking moron
Very clever. Very elegant. You must write terrific briefs.
"But a statute that's inconsistent with a Supreme Court opinion, even a Supreme Court opinion purporting to interpret the Constitution is not the same thing as a statute that's inconsistent with the Constitution itself."
Perhaps either Prof. Amar or Blackman could explain how one could possibly distinguish between these two things. As far as I can see, the only difference is that one disagrees with the SCOTUS opinion in question. This seems to me to be just another bad faith use of an ostensible overarching principle to achieve an ideologically desirable end.
Let's take Shelby County v Holder, for example. Is section 5 of the VRA a statute that is inconsistent with the constitution itself, or is it just inconsistent with the Supreme Court's opinion purporting to interpret the constitution? Is there some objective difference here that I am missing? And even if there is some objective difference, is the argument that other governments or other branches of the federal government aren't bound by the decision if it is just the Supreme Court's opinion purporting to interpret the constitution?
You are right. And going one step further, what does that distinction get you anyway? At the end of the day, if you disagree with what the Supreme Court says the Constitution means, the Supreme Court wins.
I am mystified by this attitude- and I've seen it from both righties and lefties at times- that there's some value or intrinsic goodness or amazing power in disputing the Supreme Court's authority. It obviously makes a certain type of person feel good to say that. But at the end of the day, people who take this position, legally, are no different than tax protesters. They can take any position they want, but they are supposed to lose in court.
There's a sort of intellectual hygiene here, I think, in remembering the difference between "final" and "right".
It's a difference many legal professionals reject, and understandably so: Remembering that difference risks forgetting which prevails in court, and losing a case you could have won on account of making an argument that's merely correct.
But forgetting that difference leads to abandoning all hope of persuading the courts to actually BE right, not just final. It's the final abandonment of the ideal of the rule of law, not men.
See there is your problem, except for a few instances "right"--ought or correct--is subjective therefore an opinion.
I take your point, Brett, but I still don't really understand the specific distinction being made here. And I'm not sure what it has to do with judicial supremacy, unless the argument being made is that some types of SCOTUS decisions aren't binding. I'm not trying to play gotcha, I just don't understand this post. Hoping someone could clarify.
We persuade courts to be right by hiring lawyers to make arguments before them.
But legally, there's no difference between a SCOTUS decision you think is right and one you think is wrong. Both are equally legally binding.
Right, they are both legally binding. It's just that one is right, and the other wrong.
See, if you think the Supreme court by definition right, why would you bother trying to get them to correct mistakes that you assert can't, by definition, ever happen?
I find it funny that when a Taney statue is removed Republicans say nothing…but when a RE Lee statue is removed they throw a tantrum and start yelling the end of America is nigh!!!
Is Professor Blackman suggesting that Governor Faubus and company were right and a unanimous SCOTUS was wrong in the matter of desegregating Little Rock´s public schools?
Yes that’s exactly what he’s saying.
Not to be a cynic, but I'm pretty sure Blackman is saying the same thing with every one of his posts: "This could be the piece of writing which gets me that political appointment...."
Heaven help Blackman's students if he actually teaches that drivel.
Frankly, being connected to Blackman is probably their only leg up given how absolutely dreadful his school is
If Governor Newsom makes good on hos threat to pass a law just like Texas’ but about guns and more airtight, and if Professor Blackman should ever visit California with a gun, I hope he gets his pants sued off of him for possessing it. And when he does, I hope he will remember the rhetoric he is spouting off now.
Perhaps it will console him.
The blackman kid without pants is not something that anyone should want!
So, ultimately, the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution means. Or rather, the present Supreme Court is the final arbiter.
Good to know that all the decisions of the current Court, like Courts past, are nothing more than interpretations, as a future court (which would, in said future, be the "present" court) is actually the final arbiter of what the text means.
Josh appears to be adopting some kind of Neo Living Constitutionalism, where the meaning of the Constitution is free to continually change as the membership of the Court changes.
So when Thurgood Marshall et al. brought suit to end racial segregation in US schools, in violation of the binding Supreme Court case on the subject, Plessy v. Ferguson, which held that segregation was constitutional, was that an assault on the Supreme Court? on the Constitution? on the Rule of Law?
I sense that the hysteria about challenges to Roe and Casey reflects the pro-abortion folks' fear that the challenges may succeed.
What do you sense concerning the clingers’ hysteria about Court enlargement?
Thank you.
What type of courage does one exhibit at a White, male, conservative blog when criticizing the 1619 Project and thereby flattering Republican racists, siding with conservative clingers, aligning with “traditional values” bigots, standing with White supremacists, and advancing the Federalist Society agenda?
What exactly does the 1619 Project have to do with anything here?
No, it's not. Wait. Aren't you a law professor? Shouldn't you of all people know what critical race theory actually says considering it's supposedly a legal theory written by law professors?
I myself am a critic of the 1619 Project and CRT for various reasons, but I think you should spend some time to look into both to find out what they actually say before throwing them around like all purpose buzzwords as if you're saying something with meaning.
I'm not an expert at all, but weren't at least a very significant portion of blacks inherently unequal under the Constitution?
Obviously but that doesn't it make it the "foundation" of "modern critical racial theory"
If you are looking for scholarship and insight -- rather than partisan polemics and misleading, ankle-nipping whines -- you are at the wrong blog.
This is the White, male, right-wing, faux libertarian Volokh Conspiracy -- please avoid unwarranted impressions that might be created by misappropriated mainstream university franchises or a scant academic veneer.
Justice Sottomeyor is entitled to argue that Roe was correct and should be adhered to, and conservatives are entitled to disagree, without all this crazy rhetoric.
An obvious distinction between Brown and Cooper on the one hand and Roe on the other is that following Reconstructions, the Southern states created a Jim Crow regime of separate and unequal in across-the-board defiance of the plain text and plain meaning of the Reconstruction Amendments, the 13th, 14th, and 15th. These Amendment were unquestionably about the role of the former slaves in American goverment and society.
So these cases addressed the clear and unambiguous content of these amendments. They enforced the plain text of the reconstruction amendments. They were about the sort of thing these amendments were about. It was reasonable for the Supreme Court to say you cannot have an equal society with separate and unequal education.
You could debate it - Congress had established a segregated school system for DC not long after it ratified the 14th Amendment - but the Supreme Court was entitled to say either that the text stood on its own and Congress didn’t realize its implications, or we know more after half a century of additional experience than we did then, and the evidence that “separate but equal” was a chimera had become overwhelming, that whether or not it had been reasonable to believe that “separate but equal” was a workable doctrine at the time of Plessy, it was clearly no longer the case.
Roe is different. Western societies have restricted abortion for some time. The idea that abortion exists solely to oppress women and has no other purpose is a much less clearcut and much more a political than a legal argument than the idea that segregated achools exist solely to perpetuate a racial hierarchy, because there is an obvious, rational, neutral reason to restrict abortion that simply doesn’t exist for racial segregation. More fiumdamentally, the Reconstruction Amendments were unambiguously about race, but the states did not ratify an ERA. The nation simply did not agree that anything that imposes any disability on women should be regarded as highly suspicious in the way that it did for race.
So one can easily agree with Cooper without agreeing with Roe. If it’s the subject the constitutional text is about, the Supreme Court indeed has constitutional authority to craft a remedy. But this does not permit the Supreme Court from deciding on their own that people have been oppressed and crafting their own remedy.
After all, the basic rhetorical point of the post-Reconstructionist Southerers is that they had been oppressed by the North which had made war with them, burned their houses, raped their women, and required them to wallow in their misery with dark brute semi-ape savages, and that freedom and a sense of self-respect required them to maintain some safe spaces.
If the Supreme Court has a free hand to decide who is oppressed and who the oppressor as it alone sees it free of considerations of text or original intent, nothing prevents it from deciding that the key and indeed only actors here are Southerners oppressed by Northerners, that Southern oppression needs judicial remediation, and that African-Americans are a mere excuse for oppressing Southerners, non-entities nobody serious should take seriously, in exactly the way that Justice Sottomeyor now claims that fetuses are objective non-entities and mere excuses for oppressing women.
Indeed, it’s well worth pointing out here that Justice Sottomeyor’s rhetoric closely parallels the thetoric of post-Reconstruction Southern segrationists. Simply scratch out “Southerners” and write “women”; scratch out “Negro” and write “fetus.”
The Constitution’s text permits resolving the Southerner’s claims judicially and saying flat-out that the Southerner’s sense of oppression has to give way to African-Americans. The text refers to discrimination because of race, denying people the vote because of rate. The Constitution was unambiguously amended to come out in favor of the Amfrican-Americans in this dispute.
But the Constitution’s text provides no similar basis, indeed no basis whatsoever, for saying that Justice Sotomeyor is right and the Right to Life people are wrong. Absent a constitutional amendment their dispute is a political one, to be resolved by the political branches and not the courts. It’s understandable Justices would personally take sides, and having strong feelings, in a dispute of this nature. But there is no basis for constitutionalizing either their preferred political faction, or their feelings.
RE: POLITICAL QUESTIONS FOR POLITICAL BODIES
Hello you-all. The SCOTUS just issued the requested pronto-pronto judgment in WWH v. Jackson. To the Fifth Circuit, and - by implication - on to the Texas Supreme Court for certified question deliberation with all due and deliberate speed.
At least, you might say, the SCOTEX is a political body. They are all GOP. They are all democratically accountable (having to get confirmed by the statewide electorate for unexpired terms, and re-elected to stay on the bench). And most of them were (initially) appointed by fellow-GOP Governor. The current one - himself a former member of the august body with last word on matter of state civil law - has what is arguably a litmus test on his judicial application questionnaire regarding SCOTUS precedents that the high court aspirant disagrees with. Justice Devine is an exception. He came to the court thanks to Tea Party support via a GOP primary challenge to another GOP incumbent. He, too, has sound credentials in pro-life advocacy. And not just talk.
Item 11. What role should precedent and stare decisis play in judicial decision-making?
Item 12. Name a judge, living or dead, whom you admire and explain the basis for your choice.
Item 13. Pick a U.S. Supreme Court decision that you think was wrongly decided, and explain why you think it was wrongly decided.
Take the entire test here and see if you or random law profs you know pass muster:
https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/appointments/Abbott_Judicial_Questionnaire.pdf
"Indeed, SB8 was enacted in the spirit of Lincoln."
Words are just absolutely fabulous! Pure magic. You can pick & choose meanings & contexts. Or define "the spirit of Lincoln" entirely by his opinion of challenging the Constitution & the Dred Scott decision. Texas SB 8 was not simply a test of the current Court holdings. Between the deliberately very early 6 week prohibition, and the singular & inventive provisions about enforcement to game the courts' review of the law; there is an enormous amount of ill will & that 'red meat' "this will piss off the Libs" quality that has become so pervasive. When you separate text from it's underlying meanings, you can do anything.
Lincoln was willing ro take risks, fight, accept losses, and bear costs for, and above all accept responsibility for his position, not hide behind a gimmick in which he disclaimed responsibility.
The conservative objections to SB8 have nothing to do with abortion. They are about the state disclaiming responsibility for the laws it imposes on the public. If SB8 is valid, a state could just as easily reinstitute slavery, or nullify any other enumerated, textual constitutional eight, using the same type of sleight-of-hand, while avoiding any responsibility for doing so.