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You Can't Use FOIA to Get Someone's Tax Returns
A court rejects a clever effort to obtain President Trump's tax records
Yesterday, a unanimous panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit rejected an ingenious attempt by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) to obtain President Trump's tax records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Judge Henderson's opinion for the panel in EPIC v. IRS begins:
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) collects more than money. It acquires and maintains a reservoir of sensitive information about taxpayers. And time was, the President could—for any reason or no reason at all—order the IRS to make that sensitive information public. The arrangement worked out fine for decades. Then the Nixon administration compiled a list of political enemies and ordered the IRS to harass them. The resulting scandal prompted the Congress to enact sweeping legislation to protect taxpayer privacy. The Internal Revenue Code (IRC) now mandates that tax "[r]eturns and return information shall be confidential" unless they fall within one of the statute's narrowly drawn exceptions. I.R.C. § 6103(a).
At first blush, the IRC stands in tension with the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which vests the public with a broad right to access government records. 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(3)(A). One statute demands openness; the other privacy. But as we explain infra, the statutes work well together. Not all records are subject to FOIA requests. An agency need not disclose records "specifically exempted from disclosure by statute." Id. § 552(b)(3). Because the IRC is such a statute, records that fall within its confidentiality mandate are exempt from FOIA.
This case presents the question whether a member of the public—here, a nonprofit organization—can use a FOIA request to obtain an unrelated individual's tax records without his consent. With certain limited exceptions—all inapplicable here—the answer is no. No one can demand to inspect another's tax records. And the IRC's confidentiality protections extend to the ordinary taxpayer and the President alike. Accordingly, we affirm the dismissal of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)'s lawsuit seeking President Donald J. Trump's income tax records.
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Can you imagine the hullabaloo if somebody had tried to use FOIA to get Obama's tax records?
Since we are imagining hullabaloos, can you imagine the hullabaloo if a judge had rejected the request?
Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, etc. would have had enough material to feed their marks for months.
Bernard, do you have citations for your imaginings or are you just dead set on your imagined windmills?
It's your buddy Schofield who started the imagining.
Meanwhile, do you have something to say, or do you just shout brainless insults?
Be nice. That's the only way they can feel like MANLY men.
Well, they also compare dicks.
Like 12-year-olds guys have always done.
Or Obama's birth certificate.
Oh wait...
I didn't remember that birth certificates were exempted from disclosure under the Internal Revenue Code.
Oh wait...
No, because the IRS doesn't issue birth certificates. But they would be prohibited from FOIA disclosure under Exemption 6.
Oh wait ... ?
No federal agency issues birth certificates, so exemptions to the Federal FOIA are inapplicable.
Oh wait...?
In many states it is public information. Obama refused to make it public because it made his opponents look nutty?and it blew up in his face as Trump used it as a springboard.
Actually, Obama and the birth certificate is pretty interesting.
In the first edition of Obama's book, "Dreams of my Father", the foreword actually stated that he was born in Kenya. This was the original point that cast doubt on where Obama was born.
It is a moot point where he was born at this point, but Obama provided a certificate of live birth from Hawaii after a absurd delay, then refused to let Hawaii release it directly. It was quite a run around, and since he acted like he had something to hide, many people believed he did.
The scrutiny that certificate received from the media was curiously much less than the National Guard records of Bush certainly got. Then of course the fake National Guard records of Bush that ABC got were accepted at face value despite being obvious forgeries.
As I said, the Certificate of Live Birth is not important now, but the obvious bias provided to Obama on this topic by the media was clear.
No. There was a marketing brochure written by some intern that said it. Nothing in the book.
No. A bunch of nuts made it up, and then like all conspiracy loons, cast about for anything they could seize on to make them look less nutty.
Nope again. He provided it right away. Then the aforementioned nuts came up with the idea that they needed a "long form" version. Then after that was ultimately produced, they refused to believe it was genuine.
They didn't make it up before the marketing brochure, so I really don't see why you're claiming they made it up at all. It was apparently Obama's publicist who made it up.
I personally thought it rather unlikely he was born abroad, after I saw the birth announcement in the local paper; Sure, you could have faked that, with sufficient effort, but why would you bother?
OTOH, the question of where he was born was legally relevant to whether he was qualified to be President, and the people who mistakenly though it wasn't in Hawaii were entitled to the the best evidence, not just the evidence he felt like providing.
Really, he's the one who kept the contraversy going all that time, apparently to keep his foes obsessed with something he knew in advance would never amount to anything. Imagine what might have happened if equal effort had been devoted to uncovering his college records...
Actually a Hillary supporter went to Hawaii on her own dime to research his birth. A few months later journalists booked every seat to Wasilla but none wanted a free trip to Hawaii. Lol.
I know Obama's HLS grades. Shhhhhh.
It was apparently Obama's publicist who made it up.
Some intern in a publishing company does not qualify as "Obama's publicist."
the people who mistakenly though it wasn't in Hawaii were entitled to the the best evidence, not just the evidence he felt like providing.
Who? Jerome Corsi? Donald Trump? Rush Limbaugh? Orly Taitz? Some other gang of nutballs?
Besides, they went to court, repeatedly, and lost.
Nope, he had it for a year. Like most viable candidates for president the campaign manager requests a birth certificate when one announces.
A U. S. Embassy will issue a "Certificate of Live Birth" for U. S. citizens born abroad.
It must say WHERE the birth was!
Like the daily paper in Hawaii that announced Barack's.
The psychos keep inventing (or swallowing) new delusions.
Not necessarily.
see People for the Am. Way Found., 503 F.Supp.2d at 304 (quoting Alliance for the Wild Rockies v. Dep't of the Interior, 53 F.Supp.2d 32, 36 (D.D.C. 1999))
Difference is someone could challenge his eligibility to be president based on the BC, but not his tax returns
Just challenge his honesty. Or was that his cowardice?
Or Obama's college application, or Obama's college transcripts.
I heard he got caught throwing spitballs in the third grade.
How come the media never reported that?
Obama publicly disclosed his returns--hullabaloo avoided.
They all did, since Nixon or so.
Add this to Trump's several dozen broken campaign promises.
The Windbag-In-Chief.
Yes, since he did not run any large business' (hell, he never really had a job) his return should have been simple and uncontroversial and probably had never even been audited.
Trump on the other had, although would have hundreds of things that were perfectly legal that could be used out of context to attack him in the press. This, despite being audited every year. (as everyone at his income level is)
I would not have released my tax returns either.
Would you have lied -- five times -- that you would release them after the election?
Do you seriously believe that this has anything at at all to do with audits?
So, in your psychopathic paranoia. you are terrified that "the press" (VOTERS) might be PISSED that he campaigned on a 63% tax cut/loophole for himself. A billionaire paying a maximum income tax rate of 15%?
YOU are fine with that. How many other VOTERS would be?
What's your marginal rate? All he got was a loophole to 16.8% tax rate -- on top of his 100% exemption from the corporate income tax.
Do you grasp any of this? Know what a "pass through" business is? Or just repeating memorized soundbites you've been programmed to recite?
And he's a fucking nigger. (/sarc) You are profoundly ignorant of his employment, a UNITED STATES SENATOR ... and an elected official for ... TWENTY YEARS!. (smirk)
Are you one of the brainwashed goobers who BELEEB he was just a "community organizer" -- which was, umm, BEFORE he attended Harvard Law School? ... also ignorant of what he did AFTER graduating Harvard,
When did you learn his income amount from two best-selling books?
And how DARE you defend Trump's multiple LIES that he would release his returns ... like every President since Nixon? Do you even vote?
How many fake accounts do you need Hihn?
Did the truth trigger you again?
Would you have promised repeatedly to release them and then reneged?
I can! It would be something like this...
"Why did you submit a FOIA request for the president's tax returns when he releases them publicly every year?"
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
They didn't have to. It was not Obama who's the fucking liar here.
Or did you miss THIS in Trump's campaign also?
They would have suddenly been up for an audit of their past 23 years of tax returns.
(yawn) Nope
"an ingenous [sic] attempt"? I assume that you meant an ingenious attempt. But since when does "ingenious" mean frivolous and insanely overreaching?
So far as I know, every bar association in the country has rules of professional conduct which prohibit the filing of frivolous claims - claims which are neither supported by existing law nor a good faith argument for the extension of existing law. The assertion that, just because he was elected President, Donald Trump forfeited any rights of privacy or confidentiality in tax return information otherwise protected by Federal law. EPIC's claim was neither clever nor original, and it certainly wasn't "ingenious". It was legally frivolous, and unless EPIC's counsel is sanctioned for that kind of misconduct, this kind of asinine claim will proliferate.
Sanctions are 100% appropriate.
"An agency need not disclose records "specifically exempted from disclosure by statute." Id. ? 552(b)(3). Because the IRC is such a statute, records that fall within its confidentiality mandate are exempt from FOIA."
This is about as clear as the law gets.
Bob from Ohio,
I agree 100% with you. This was a dumb case to file and waste money and time.
The sad part is that this was an appellate decision(!) They doubled down on frivolous.
Until Larry Klayman faces sanctions, no one will.
You're absolutely right.
Right about the IPEC, that os.
That is, not "that os."
I'd assume everyone's personal information would be exempt from FOIA disclosure.
Then we get into police disciplinary records. Because police have so much power, it seems perfectly cromulent to know the disciplinary records of police who arrest you or testify against you. Does the same apply to the disciplinary records of the IRS examiner who audits you? What about the county clerk who rejects your permit application?
Seems reasonable to me. They are public servants, they represent a monopoly which you have no choice but to deal with. If I have a problem with a cashier at K-mart, I don't need to know their disciplinary record; the manager is much more likely to try to correct the problem than any police or IRS boss, and I almost certainly have alternatives to do business with.
Electronic Privacy Information Center claims to be interested in protecting privacy, LOL!
Here is the list of EPIC board members: http://epic.org/epic/staff_and_board.html
Anyone interested in obtaining the tax returns of the board members may refer to this IRS guide: http://www.irs.gov/privacy-dis.....guidelines
Trump MUST hide his tax returns, else we see that he campaigned on a 60% tax cut for .... himself, and a small percentage of cronies. A billionaire paying a top income tax rate of 15%, plus a 100% exemption from the corporate income tax. The corruption never ends, but the prosecutors are closing in with 17 total investigations. LOCK HIM UP!
What is the marginal tax rate on his Bobbleheads?
Your screen name and your post are remarkably conflicting.
I mean, I think he's a bit over the top as well, but thinking Trump is a corrupt plutocrat (rightly or wrongly) doesn't have a lot to do with your general take on liberty.
"but thinking Trump is a corrupt plutocrat (rightly or wrongly) doesn't have a lot to do with your general take on liberty."
You're right. My response was due to my interpretation that his post was critical of the decision, since it was posted in response to an article about the decision. It's possible I misinterpreted his intent and that instead he's just using the article as a chance to rant. On the internet, all things are possible.
You're too ficking stupid to know that he campaigned on a 15% marginal tax rate for SOME millionaires and billionaires - lower than mauny of the goobers in his cult?
What's even more stupid is your implied notion that the millionaires and billionaires with a D beside their name don't pay the exact same tax rate as Trump. Demanding higher taxes on the 'rich', as in themselves, and believing this will happen is an example of extreme ficking stupidity. WTF is your argument, the D's lie about taxing themselves so that makes it all better?
WHAT A FUCKING MORON
ANOTHER FUCKUP! AS INSTOOOOOOOOOPID. HOW MANY OF THEM OWN AN LLC, OR A SUB S CORPORATION ... IF NOT. THEY PAY ......... WAIT FOR IT .... 37%!
One more time for the dumbass
If you cannot compare with LLCs and S Corporations ... you'll make a FUCKING ASS of yourself AGAIN!
Trump gets a 20% LOOPHOLE available top ONLY owners of pass-through businesses
Yes, you have been TOTALLY flummoxed!!!! (sneer)
Oh look, the Hihnfection has a new moronic pseudonym.
Go drink some bleach fuckwad.
The defense rests
And the PROOF that "triggered" this snowflake, is fully documented. At IRS.
Hihn, no one is interested in anything you have to say.
And it doesn't have to be bleach. You're perfectly welcome to drink Drano too.
So, you're so totally ignorant of Trump's campaign on taxes? Or a Trumptard?
or, better yet, you're so totally stupid enough to believe all those progressive rich folks, like say Pelosi, are actually going to tax their own arses at 90%. Do you suffer from TDS Butt Hurt, yes seems to be the correct answer.
3rd Battshit Ranger was HUMILIATED there
AND EVEN CRAZIER HERE!!!!
1) BULLSHIT ...
2) EVASION. ....
3) THE 90% TAX RATE WAS REPEALED BY .... KENNEDY ... OVER 50 YEARS AGO, CHUMP ... (snort)
BEND OVER. This will go UP YOURS easier
ANOTHER brainwashed Trumptard!
(SNEER)
SINGALONG: "another one bites ... another one bites ... another one bites THE DUST!"
Hey, discoverLIBERTY, as long as you are out looking for something, why don't you search for a bit of sanity. Maybe some psychoactive meds would help. It is precisely for people like you that Obama insisted that health insurance cover mental illness.
(Posted in defense of aggression .. an unprovoked assault by ans OBVIOUS thug (with the potty mouth of a 12-year-old),
Why would a pussy, like DjDiverDan, throw a hissy fit because I posted PROOF, with a LINK TO THE SOURCE? The precious snowflake.
BECAUSE I PROVED THAT TRUMP CAMPAIGNED ON A 63% TAX CUT FOR HIMSELF .. AND TRUMPTARDS GET "TRIGGERED" WHEN THEIR PUPPET MASTER IS ... WELL ... PUBLICLY HUMILIATED.
It works for Trump to be a BELLOWING BLOWHARD .,.. so many of his cult also bellow ...this is their "mind"
Don't forget this infantile rage was "triggered" by ABSOLUTE PROOF.
Like Trump, their ONLY response to PROOF is ... BULLYING ... SHOUTING IT DOWN ,,, LIKE A BERKELEY STUDENT (thug) (snort)
One must HAVE a take on liberty!
"I mean, I think he's a bit over the top as well, but thinking Trump is a corrupt plutocrat (rightly or wrongly) doesn't have a lot to do with your general take on liberty."
I'm so old I remember when you thought it was bad to call for locking up your political opponents.
That's been true for 200+ years. Another example of how badly Trump has shamed the Presidency
You haven't it yet.
That should have said, "You haven't DISCOVERED it yet."
Liberty.
Or Trump's campaign. Are you among the millions he suckered?
Have you ever heard of the Wall Street Journal
Are you also ignorant that he promised to pay off the entire federal debt in 8 years -- but has ALREADY added MORE 8-year debt than Obama!!!
THE REPUBLICAN NEW DEAL -- ALREADY WORSE THAN OBAMA! (8-year debt)
$ 9.6 T Obama (after 8 years)
$10.7 T Trump (in only TWO years, wants MORE)
Obama's 8-year debt (billions) 19,539.6 - 9,986.1 = 9,553.5
Trump's 8-year debt
$30,042 August Forecast for 2024 (804 estimate for 2018)
++++181 (985 actual - 804)
---19,549 (Trump inherited)
==10,534 (Trump already)
Trump, first President to EVER increase deficit by 47% ... in one year ... with a booming economy (OMFG) (same link)
Obama inherited 2nd worst recession since the 1930s.
Trump inherited longest recovery EVER for an incoming President -- FROM OBAMA!!!
Anything else?
Thanks Hinh. good to know this is another sock to scroll.
If you're on Chrome there's an extension called "reasonable" that allows you to filter posts. Hihn is especially good to filter out because of the excessive number of lines he posts.
Gorma, thanks! That's awesome.
GOOBERS ARE ... PISSED .... TRIGGERED ..... WHINING PUSSIES
Because they are PROVEN stupid ,... WITH SOURCES!
SINGALONG: "another one bites ... another one bites ... another one bites THE DUST!"
My name is not Hinh .... and yours is a typical Trumptard PUSSY, when confronted with ABSOLUTE PROOF that Trump is THE ABSOLUTE WORST PRESIDENT .. EVER ... ON THE DEBT ... AFTER HE SUCKERED YOU GOMERS BY PROMISING TO PAY OFF THE ENTIRE DEBT IN 8 YEARS!
Just one reason we laugh at how badly you've ll been suckered ... but ... WHY DO YOU SUPPORT FUCKING MY GRANDCHILDREN?
Just like Obama's desperate attempts to destroy the fossil fuel industry is actually why he claims credit for the wonderfully low energy prices, he drilled his way to success, eh? You have TDS don't you, you know you do.
Even WACKIER whataboutism
Hey, DUMBASS Ranger, what in HELL does that have to do with Trump ALREADY adding more new 8-year debt than Obama did AFTER 9 years. AND THEY WANT MORE
Or Trump as the first President to EVER increase the deficit by 47% ... IN ONE YEAR ... IN A BOOMING ECONOMY!!!
When Obama had inherited the WORST economy since the 1930s
And Trump inherited the LONGEST RECOVERY EVER, for an incoming President.... FROM OBAMA!
*** TRUMP = FDR .... in THE REPUBLICAN NEW DEAL ***
This is even worse than your self-humiliation elsewhere of this page
and HERE too!
EVERY TIME YOU LAUNCH ANOTHER ASSAULT ... YOU MAKE A TOTAL ASS OF YOURSELF!!
STRIKE THREE. YER OUT!
Posted in defense of multiple assaults by a THUG stalking me down the page.
And a PROFOUNDLY ignorant Trumptard
You are so full of shit you must squish as you walk.
i was going to start refuting all the stupid points you posted, but then I realized that they have all been refuted dozens of times on here that I have seen, and probably hundreds more I missed.
Think up something new will ya?
MJBinAL .CALLED OUT ... AS A COWARDLY PUSSY
PROVE IT, PUSSY
I CAN PROVE YOU A TOTAL PSYCHO!!! ... AMONG THE ABSOLUTE, CRAZIEST
ABSOLUTE
TOTAL
BAT-SHIT CRAZY
LIKE THIS!
PROVE IT, PUSSY
MJBinAL ,... STILL a PUSSY WITH ATTITUDE
Dumb fuck comment of the day. The IRS can audit him if they wish. They probably do on a regular basis.
But your tax records are personal not public records, duh
Speaking of dumbfucks ... that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you "responded" to.
You must be a Trumpster.
During the campaign, Trump said that he gets audited every year. Everyone at that income level gets audited every year.
IT'S NOT ABOUT AUDITS, GOOBER. IT;S ABOUT HIS PROMISES ... FOUR TIMES ... TO RELEASE THEM.
How ignorant ARE you people????
LISTEN TO HIM SAY IT .. FOOL
A RECAP OF HIS PROMISES
(SNORT)
It's Hihn again. There's no need to engage him.
(SMIRK)
Trump MUST hide his tax returns, else we see that he campaigned on a 60% tax cut for .... himself, and a small percentage of cronies. A billionaire paying a top income tax rate of 15%, plus a 100% exemption from the corporate income tax. The corruption never ends, but the prosecutors are closing in with 17 total investigations. LOCK HIM UP!
What is the marginal tax rate on his Bobbleheads?
It's flat tax time.
And be publicly humiliated ... WITH PROOF ... like the other pussies. (snort)
Poor Hihnfection. It must suck to go through life being you.
I'm told that he LOVES proving goobers wrong ... with links to PROOF
And ridiculing 12-year-old bullies like you
Even from the standpoint of someone who can't stand Trump, this decision seems like a no-brainer.
And what the fuck is an entity with "Privacy" in it's name (and purported mission) doing filing something like this? Do words no longer mean what they plainly mean?
Yeah that struck me immediately as well. Talk about defeating your own purpose.
"Irony" should also be in their name.
No different than the Democrat Party pretending to be about democracy.
Congratulations to ARWP, finally a comment which isn't stupid. But understand that Democrats think that democracy is important only for those elections which they win. When Democrats lose an election, they take is as axiomatic that the voters who would have voted for them had their votes suppressed, and thus it wasn't "real" democracy.
Just as phony as Republicans.
Left - Right = Zero
Or the Republicans pretending to be about a Constitutional Republic.
Tribalism is an Equal Opportunity Destroyer,
In an otherwise very sound opinion, there is one jarring note. The opinion suggests that use of the IRS to harass political opponents began with Nixon. ("The arrangement worked out fine for decades. Then the Nixon administration complied a list of political enemies and ordered the IRS to harass them.") By all accounts this is far from the truth, with FDR particularly prominent as an offender.
True
And Trump threatening it ... which would get him impeached within 24 hours
And it's always worth mentioning that, when Nixon ordered the IRS to audit his enemies, they refused, and audited him instead. The bureaucracy is a weapon with ego, it will turn in your hand if it doesn't like you.
No kidding. I mean Captain Obvious revelation of the day
Regardless of your position on any of these cases, none of the requests or demands for Trump's tax returns are in good faith. No one is actually interested in looking at any of his tax returns because they care about any supposed corruption in his business dealings. They're looking for any loophole he exploited or minor mistakes so that they can scream "Gotcha!"
I think its great precedent to not release his taxes.
I don't care if Presidents do or not.
Great "President"? Ey? Ey??
Oy.
How DARE you SHAME America's REAL patriots,.
Stupid? Or a liar?
It's ALWAYS been TRUMP'S bad faith. He promised REPEATEDLY, in the campaign, to release his returns
PROOF
Shame on you.
Is there a dumber law than the FOIA?? Why hasn't Congress reformed the law to exclude digital text communication that is now similar to phone calls?
1. Thousands of them.
2. Because they are more similar to emails than phone calls.
2. Strozk texts were like email work product??
The ones that the wacko right lies about?
Putting aside anyone's opinion of Trump, my quick read of the Court opinion revealed that EPIC was not making an argument for disclosure based on Trump being President or holding federal office. EPIC was making arguments that, if accepted, could be used to mandate release of anyone's tax returns. It is good that EPIC was thrown out of court.
I guess EPIC now "supports" privacy rights to the same extent that the ACLU now "supports" civil liberties.
I disagree with the idea that it's clever. It's fairly simplistic: FOIA gives the power to get government records, why not try to get personal records kept by the government? The ignorance involved certainly points to "not clever."
I agree.
Some have a tendency to describe unorthodox arguments as clever, even when the reason they are unorthodox is that they are stupid.
Seems to me that the plaintiff organization ought to change its name, perhaps to the Anti-Electronic Privacy Information Center.
Question: Could Congress pass a law, modifying this. Something like, "Due to the special nature of the president (and VP, I guess), their tax returns for [let's say] the 5 years preceding their presidency, and all years during their presidency, are now specifically eligible for disclosure under FOIA."
And make the law take effect 5 years from now, to avoid politicization. My question is: Would this sort of modification be constitutional? If not, why not?
A better question would be why would this be beneficial? The only time anyone could get anything out of them is if the guy running is a businessman.
Hillary released her's, BUT all of the dubious transactions for the Clinton's when through the Clinton Foundation. They just got paid for "services" by the Foundation.
And this is widely true for professional politicians. All the income that might lead you to ask questions is nicely laundered in one way or another.
The truth is that there is no benefit to releasing the tax returns.
HE PROMISED.
He ALSO said YOU would LIE to defend him of even MURDER.
Even Bernie's Bots are not so craven and shameless.
The Maryland House of Delegates considered a bill that would have required a US presidential candidate to release his/her tax returns to appear on a ballot in the state.
Exactly.
Narrowing the field is suppressing the vote from the other side.
All because Trump fucking lied.
It seems that the requirements for being President are already spelled out.
EVASION
Please stop talking to him. Let him go away.
Is it possible for discoverLIBERTY! to post something that does not include one of the following?
Ad hominem attacks
Foul language
Insults towards other posters
Attention-getting techniques like all caps, bolded font
From many years of reading posts and comments on this blog, I've grown to expect much more than trolling/attention-getting/flaming from both posters and readers.
CIVIL discourse is all too rare, and I hope that it does not disappear altogether because of trolls like this.
Are you talking about another Michael Hihn sock?