Babylon Bee Won't Back Down Over Trans Joke Twitter Ban
Kyle Mann, the Christian satire site's editor, also talks Biden vs. Trump, and why he saves his deepest burns for mega-pastors like Joel Osteen.
HD DownloadBack in March, Twitter suspended the account of the massively popular Christian satire site The Babylon Bee after it awarded "Man of the Year" honors to Rachel Levine, a trans woman serving in the Biden administration's Department of Health and Human Services and who had been named one of USA Today's "Women of the Year."
The Babylon Bee's editor in chief, Kyle Mann, says that the offending article was intended to satirize media treatment of identity politics, not demean trans people. "We love trans people," he tells Reason. "We don't consider people like that beneath us. You know, the Christian worldview is that everybody has the opportunity to be saved and we can love everybody. I'm no more deserving of God's grace than a transgender person is. But when the culture bows down and starts handing out trophies to people for stuff like this is when we say, 'Hey, wait a minute, you know, we need to protect women in our society as well.'"
The Babylon Bee's Twitter account remains locked because the publication refuses to delete the tweet and acknowledge that it contravened Twitter's policy against hate speech. In response to the Twitter ban and persistent demonetization and minimizing of the reach of its content on Facebook, The Babylon Bee has created its own social network and subscription model, both of which are flourishing. The episode shines a light on how contemporary culture wars are waged online and illustrates the specific travails that evangelical Christians face in a country that is increasingly secular and socially liberal.
Reason's Nick Gillespie caught up with Mann at FreedomFest, an annual gathering in Las Vegas, to talk about why he loves making fun of Donald Trump and Joe Biden but saves his deepest burns for mega-church pastors such as Joel Osteen; why he believes that the left—and Gen Z—can't deal with humor that makes fun of them; and why he loves "personal liberty and personal freedom" even if it creates a culture that is deeply hostile to his faith.
Interview by Nick Gillespie; video by Regan Taylor and Adam Czarnecki. Camera by Noor Greene.
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>>publication refuses to delete the tweet and acknowledge that it contravened Twitter's policy
bake the bent knee!
Twitter's reactivation policy is the electronic equivalent of a struggle session--you have to admit that you did something wrong, which then goes on your user record if you actually do so.
Overall, it's just one more argument for the complete destruction of social media.
in.
The people behind this stuff should be destroyed too.
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Twatter froze my account because I referred to the Iranian goatfucker regime as goatfuckers. They offered to unfreeze it if I gave them my phone number. Fuck that.
If Musk ends up having to buy them (highly unlikely), I'd consider using that service again. Otherwise, they're a waste of time and space.
-jcr
I hadn't used my account in ages. When twitter first tried to block Musk, I started the cancellation process (takes 30 days to be final). When they accepted his offer, I cancelled the cancellation. When he backed out, I started it again. I wonder how long this will go on.
I think it's a great idea for small groups of friends, such as road conditions where I live. Zero interest in following anybody.
I found it quite useful even for people sharing updates about local stuff. When we were inundated with floods in rural CO back in ~2013, twitter was THE #1 place to get news about what was happening where we were. The Denver news stations were useless because they had a few trucks to cover an entire state- where many roads were out.
But everyone had phones and twitter, and we could get updates from our local sheriff and city councils without fail.
30 days to cancel? WTF. I'm even more glad now I've never had an account with them.
But Reason seems to agree with twitter, they refer to him as a woman.
Reason wants to be invited to dinner parties.
I'm just offended by how deeply unfunny that website is. Man does it suck ass.
Don't worry sarcasmic, maybe Jon Stewart will get back on the air before the cirrhosis does you in.
sarcasmic? wtf is that?
That's the handle you use for drunk-posting and bitching about Trump 16 hours a day in between wistful remembrances of raping your daughter before your wife finally left you and got full custody, sarcasmic.
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Honestly, they're better off. Twitter is a cesspit. Imagine someone writing an article about a person getting banned from 4chan.
Imagine someone getting banned from 4chan for anything other than kiddie porn, guro and death threats.
Opposite philosophies, which is why there's been a lot of creativity originating from 4chan and nothing from Twitter.
What the hell is guro? Do I even want to know?
I ain’t looking it up.
Yeah, I think I'll avoid that particular piece of knowledge.
No. Nobody should want to know.
Mutilation of the human body for titillation. It's a purely drawn form of porn, as most of it is not survivable.
Oh, great, I'm so much more educated now that I know this.
Rule 42 is terrifying.
" . . . acknowledge that it contravened Twitter's policy against hate speech."
What is more hateful than banning the truth?
Those who live in a "progressive" bubble (and those, like the mainstream media and the Twitter censors, who work hard to maintain it) HATE the truth (and those who speak it).
Columbia Journalism Review used to hand out Darts and Laurels to the worst and brightest words offered in print each month.
Will it get around to medals for Twitter censors before or after denouncing the Mark Twain awards ?
The brightest words are likely all on Substack and other venues that progressive organs such as the CJR would prefer not exist and would wreck if they could. I saw an article somewhere yesterday complaining of shows like She-Hulk being "review bombed" by people who insisted on their reviews reflecting their own incorrect, apparently ill-informed viewpoint instead of considering the full context of the work and the creators' intention behind it. This is about the level of corporate journalism right now---actual republic-threatening abuses of power are all around us, but yeah, let's focus on how wrong some people are for hating the dreck we're pretending to love this week.
LOL @ Twitter and it’s users.
Levine typifies the problem with today's trans movement. It used to be, you couldn't tell trans people from their chosen gender without really looking.
Now they are just dudes in dresses
That would be okay if they just admit it's a fetish thing. But they insist they are actually women. When everyone can see they are just a dude in a dress
Have you a superspecial MRI that allows you to look into their brains and tells you how they think of themselves?
How they think of themselves is irrelevant.
Men are men.
Women are women.
Men cannot be women.
Women cannot be men.
Science.
Men can be women.
Women can be men.
Men can get pregnant.
Delusions.
Don't be an enabler.
So you never think to yourself "I believe in something so simplistic it's actually a tautology. Perhaps I haven't considered all the angles."?
Just a bizarre total lack of curiosity about the world and an insistence that the world conform to it.
All I hear, of course, is "I'm afraid of things I don't understand and I want to hurt them before they hurt me!"
If men are men and women are women, how is it that you're such a pussy?
i think they are afraid of getting real drunk and finding out the hard way.... they never worry about the women who dress like men, just the dudes in dresses.
Because you're not an eleven-year-old girl sharing the gym shower with a naked adult man who claims he's a girl.
That’s just a way for people like foo to get action.
neither is anyone else.
Are you genuinely ignorant about some of the cases in the news or are you attempting to bullshit us again?
i do steer clear of the bullshit that some idiot on twitter made up and you gobbled up as gospel because it fit your narrative.
Yeah, Twitter invented that teenage boy who raped two girls in public school bathrooms, and also invented the Virginia school board that covered it up and then beat and arrested the dad whose daughter was raped for having the temerity to discuss it at a school board meeting. Twitter is the home of right-wing memes, after all.
Goddamn shreek, you're such a stupid piece of shit. Will you please fucking rape some redneck's little boy so he can split your skull open already?
the claim was naked men in the shower with 11 yr olds.... but thanks for playing.
That actually happened too, shreek, you child rapist... but thanks for playing.
That's the one, Roso.
There's dozens of cases. Like the 80-year-old woman banned from a YMCA pool for getting mad at an intact male who was staring at a couple of eleven-year-olds changing.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/17/80-year-old-swimmer-objects-transgender-staffer-ym/
Eat shit and die, TDS-addled asshole.
to mothers lament.... there is absolutely nothing in that story saying the transgender person was at any point naked in front of anyone. this was an 80yr old woman who harassed a transgender person for BEING in the locker room. your claim that they were naked is completely unfounded. this was an addled old person inventing an issue that did not exist.
to Jonah Rosa.... here is quote from your article:
"Takami says that at “no time did he verbally ‘identify’ as female,” nor did he request to be treated as transgender."
sooooo.. not a transgender person, just a creepy fuck violating laws that no transgender allowances legalize.
in other words, for the first, it was a person JUST LIKE YOU that created a conflict that did not exist.... and for the second, it wasn't a transgender person, it was just a creepy fucker (probably deciding to even try it because of PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU.)
a very simple fact that people like you too are too simple to understand..... transgenders WANT the word to view them as the sex they identify as. in the case of trans women (the only ones you actually care about) that means they don't WANT people to see their man parts. it is kind of what defines the disorder. they go home to shower. they go into the stall to pee. all the "nightmare" scenarios you guys come up with are things that transgender people actively avoid.
"they go into the stall to pee." Lol! That because if you aren't a man you can't use a urinal, and if you wandered into the women's restroom they don't have anything but stalls. What a retarded take to say that people pushing back against delusional creeps are causing delusional creeps to act out, when you're the one being an "ally" to the creeps.
so, you admit what i say is 100% true, but it is a "retarded take?"
guess what happens when a transgender goes into a bathroom..... they go to the bathroom. all the nonsense you guys want to claim happens instead is a lie.
transgenders are pathologically opposed to you seeing their junk because that shatters the very image that is so important to them. it is the cornerstone of who they are that they don't want you to see them as a man. the last thing in the world any of them want is for others to see their hormone shriveled penis.
@Foo_dd 1) they enter the bathroom out of willful violation of bathroom policies. As others have mentioned, there are plenty of incidents that occurred as a result.
2) Has the thought occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, these people just don't want to get exposed for living an obvious lie? Think about it.
SRG, the shitbag Tony and the asshole lefty pile of shit Foo!
Please form a human centipede and die from eating the shit of the one in front of you.
well, i see why you usually are just a parrot.... you sound even more lame when you put effort into your insults.
He's right, though. The world would really be better off without you two, unless you repent of your errors.
Look another leftie arguing for "my imaginary unicorn thoughts" over tons of real biologic science.
Dont be surprised when we dont come looking to you folks for advice during next public health scare.
If you had any shred of "the party of science" left, the trans debate completely lit it on fire.
Measurable tests would have you believe my eyesight is 20/80 or so with glasses or contact lenses. However, I identify as someone with 20/20 vision. Would it be bigoted not to allow me to get a pilot's license and fly commercial jets?
believe the science.
And that science according to left wingers is that everything those new fangled machines measured through the technology we have learned to create and understand is wrong because you feel that your vision is 20/20.
Oh also, we shouldn't question them next time they tell us we should receive a mandatory experimental medicine
What a surprise, Tony hasn't answered.
Tony, for being such a massive faggot, YOU are a huge pussy. So I wouldn’t be calling anyone out if I were you. Especially since it’s unlikely you could punch your way out of a wet paper sack.
You'd be surprised. I'm built like my father, who was a pro boxer in his youth. I have to avoid exercise in order not to bulk up too much.
You're the bitchiest limp-wristed twink that ever existed. Even a little squirt like Kyle Rittenhouse would you fuck harder than he did Rosenbaum, and wouldn't even have to borrow a rifle this time.
LMAO
"You'd be surprised..."
I'd be surprised if you ever once didn't lie, asswipe.
Hey Tony, are you just as supportive of people who decide they are dolphins or house cats?
Define supportive.
What kind of validation do you want from me? If you think someone is mentally ill, you will not get my permission to be rude or cruel to them.
Supportive as in special legal standing, and broad endorsement by people (and equally broad condemnation of those who refuse to endorse mentally ill behavior).
I assume that covers your opinion.
And for fun, tell us about how you would restrict speech to avoid rudeness.
Trans people don't get special legal standing. They should probably get the same protections against sex discrimination as anyone else. You need to be precise when you speak or someone might mistake you for a hair-trigger reactionary who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
As I already explained, I don't employ the government to police rudeness. Good manners are enforced socially.
Would it be wrong if I thought that you want not only social permission to be rude to trans people, you want the government to hurt them too?
That'll be news to the businesses that have been shut down for refusing to indulge the delusions of trannies. Telling a biological female that they are in violation of the company dress code doesn't risk punitive action, but telling a tranny they can't wear a skirt with their bulge showing got a funeral home shut down.
Yeah, they probably should. But as I just explained, they get extra protections.
You know, most faggots don't actually suck tranny cock or pedo cock. You're not obligated to be a scientifically illiterate retard and a kiddie fucker just because you're a faggot, Tony.
an insistence that the world conform to it.
That's what the T's are doing, Tony. They have every right to say they're whatever sex they want to be, but that doesn't include a right to force anyone else to play along.
-jcr
Define play along.
You will not be arrested for being merely rude to a trans person. Rudeness only has social consequences.
The problem is the fact that you people have been reaching for the nearest legislature to solve your social problems.
What, exactly, do you want the government to do to trans people?
Same thing as the dolphin people. Provide some incentives to get over it, and keep them away from children.
So you want the government to put trans people in prison if they go within a certain distance of children. Check.
And, say, bribe them with a tax cut if they pretend to be cisgender?
I can feel the libertarianism dripping down my face. So much freedom.
Just like you want the government to put Muslim business owners in prison if they don't genuflect to a gay man who likes to wear lingerie. Except that what you said about Earth-based Human Skeptic is a lie, and what I just said about you is 100% true.
That dripping down your face is probably a monkeypox sore. You might want to get that checked out. Or die. That would be even better.
No one needs to pretend to be cisgender, just not be active pedophiles.
You absolutely will in certain jurisdictions. In the rest of the country you'll just lose your business and be subject to annual IRS audits for the rest of your life.
The same thing I want the government to do to me: nothing. That means not passing special laws so that 15 year old boys can rape girls in high school locker rooms and restrooms with impunity, not giving them special employment protections that allow them to dress inappropriately at work, not instructing 5 year old children in public school about how to cut their dicks and tits off without telling their parents, not forcing a female-operated Brazilian wax business to wax a man's dick and balls because he wishes it was a vagina and labia, that sort of thing. If I'm supposed to exercise good manners by calling a 6 foot 5 inch tall male bodybuilder Sally because he feels like a girl today, you can show the same courtesy by not coercing a woman into playing with your balls. Deal?
MASS HYSTERIA! DOGS AND CATS SLEEPING TOGETHER!!
^All of this, exactly.
"...Define play along..."
Define STUPID: Asswipe Tony. Easy
LOL, curiosity about the world? And you're an exemplar of this? Dude, ignorant, half-baked assumptions are your entire wheelhouse.
Lol. No one is afraid of these mentally ill people. Typical prog go to “what are you afraid of?” Yawn.
And it is indeed curious the nonsense people will believe to delude themselves.
Speaking of total pussies, tony, how can you mock people about your perception of their irrational fears, after wailing “people will die” cuz of Dave chappelle?
Pussy.
"Have you a superspecial MRI that allows you to look into their brains and tells you how they think of themselves?"
Since they have, thus far, failed to pull this off, maybe you can define what it means like to "feel like a woman".
My wife has no clue what the hell that means, mind you.
If you're going to ask people to live lies to protect their pathetic egos, then perhaps the tiniest sliver of introspection is not too much to ask.
How hard is it not to be rude to trans people? How hard is it not to contribute to a culture of hate for them? You know this is just Republican party culture war shit, right? Trans people didn't just start existing in time for the midterms. How many times are you going to let them use you like a cheap whore? Remember when Bush ran on being against gay marriage? What did you get out of that, exactly? Except a global recession.
I think I do have some insight. Gay men when we are young sometimes adopt the mannerisms of the women around us rather than the men. Some of us even dress up in girls' clothing. See ourselves as girls more than boys. We simply align more with that cultural presentation, for whatever reason that most boys align with the cultural expectations and mannerisms of men.
I grew out of that relatively quickly, and I present fairly neutrally, but I would be lying if I didn't say that this affect is itself the performance, and when I'm drunk or whatever I can get a little swishy.
So the idea that this sticks with some people and they simply don't and can't take on the cultural affect of their birth sex seems perfectly reasonable to me.
You're under no obligation to practice this much empathy, but you are under some obligation not to use the government to hurt people for being different, I think.
I'm never rude to trans people. They are the rude ones for asking me to agree that their delusions are real.
How often does this happen to you?
It's literally never happened to me, and I used to spend three days a week at the gay bar.
It's almost like trannies are 0.01% of the population and don't really have anything to do with the gay movement, and yet you still spend half your life defending them along with pedophiles because you're totally not a kiddie fucker...
0.01% OF THE POPULATION BUT DOGS AND CATS SLEEPING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA!
Actually quite a lot Tony. My daughter runs in these circles and has many "trans" friends. They go back and forth. Male one year. Female the next. Nonbinary the 3rd. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I have been asked to use the "correct" pronouns but I have advised my daughter that I am not a believer in this religion, so I will not be mouthing its tenets. That's not rude. In fact it's quite compassionate and instructive -- showing that one can stand up for oneself and one's beliefs, and not be bullied into saying things one doesn't believe.
My daughter and I are still fine. She is learning the right lessons.
By the way the sheer number of people she knows who are like this, the transitory nature of their "gender" (I guess fluid would be their word, rather than transitory, but transitory it is), combined with the lack of dedication to the next choice, is ample empirical evidence to me that an immense amount of the current craziness is being driven by peer pressure, and not actual internal orientations.
How hard is it not to be rude to trans people? How hard is it not to contribute to a culture of hate for them? You know this is just Republican party culture war shit, right?
Yeah, and? If you're getting bent out of shape about being rude to a bunch of entitled, mentally ill troons, then it's probably the right thing to do.
The problems here do not have to do with being gender non-conforming. They are not even about trans people in general; most of the problems here come from the medicalization/indoctrination of children, supposedly out of "empathy" but actually to create an endless pipeline of lifelong patients and make a ton of money, and autogynephile fetishists pretending to be trans to get access to vulnerable people. Others here have tried to point out some of these problems to you, even with links, and you've dismissed all of that as "culture war shit," displaying that great curiosity of yours. It would be fantastic if you would devote any of your remarkable empathy toward the people who have actually been victimized by the stuff you say isn't happening anyway.
I consulted Shania Twain. Repeatedly
Now do people who think of themselves as dolphins or house cats.
It's not to relentlessly mock them every day on the internet. They clearly need support.
And yet oddly, the otherkin don't occupy 16-18 hours per day of your time like trannies and kiddie fuckers do. I wonder why that is?
If they really thought they were women they would at least make an effort to look like one. Men like Levine basically just grow their hair long and wear a dress. They make zero effort to be a woman otherwise. Tells me volumes about what they really think of themselves.
==============
"SEX is determined by what's between your LEGS.
GENDER is determined by what's between your EARS."
==============
Nothing more needs to be understood.
Call off the wars.
"used to be, you couldn't tell trans people from their chosen gender without really looking."
Nope. The tranny who convincingly passes is quite rare, and always has been
How would you know?
Because he has eyeballs, you disingenuous fuck.
But if they are passing, you wouldn't know that they are trans. By definition.
They don't pass. They never "pass".
But if they did, you wouldn't know, right? By definition of "passing"?
The fact is they do pass. I've met many trans people who I didn't know were trans until someone told me. They walk among you.
Maybe you need to visit Chippah's optometrist.
The logic is extremely simple here. Unless you're doing genital inspections, you'd never know if you encountered a passing trans person... because they're passing.
So the sample you're drawing your conclusions from is exactly that portion of trans people who don't pass.
You began this digression by disagreeing with Nardz saying that:
It's easy to tell that convincing trannies are rare, because trannies constitute 0.01% of the population, and yet most people who have seen one can spot it from 100 yards away. Your vegan diet induced gynecomastia and blue wig is not convincing, Tones.
"The logic is extremely simple here..."
There is no logic in any of your comments ever. Fuck of and die, shitbag.
But flagrantly not passing is the point for autogynephiles. The dude with a full beard and an intact penis posing in a dress for social media isn't trying to pass, because the goal is flaunting his violation of boundaries and daring anyone to point it out. Your "let's all pity the poor transpeople" routine plays into the AGP's goals, but he doesn't care about your pity. It's just useful.
Years ago, two transwomen in a bar spoke to me. Both were closer to passing than most transwomen (although it was still possible to tell even in that light), but both knew they were biologically male, and when they tried to convince me to have sex with them, they knew it was gay sex they were after. They were very nice and didn't take it badly when I turned them down.
AGPs are not at all like those two transwomen. Autogynephiles pretend to be something they're clearly not while making it clear they're not. They erase meaningful distinctions and boundaries in ways that directly violate social norms because that's where they get off. Transwomen like the ones I met in that bar are not the problem. AGPs, pedos, and rapists using the "trans" craze to get their rocks off are.
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US! DOZENS!
Mom's Lament... get a logon for Flickr and then browse the trans groups.
Some of those "boys masquerading as girls" are more gorgeous than many cis-females.
Your generalization fits my Law...
Falk's Second Law:
"Never trust generalizations."
Beware of people who don't see the irony behind that one......
Tony, most people aren’t as stupid as you are. Your 85 IQ puts you in the subnormal category.
Not in his crowd.
he's tried... countless times
see my comment about Flickr, then eat those words...
Not quite. It was that before there was just more effort.
Now with the 'everyones delusions are true' its just lead to more people just not actually making any changes and they get to be a brave hero because they say so.
But its always been very obvious. To this date I have been incorrect on one, which did surprise me tbh. Every other one is fairly obvious (who woulda thought, men and women are actually different). They just used to make more of an attempt to actually make themselves look the opposite sex.
Levine typifies the problem with today's trans movement. It used to be, you couldn't tell trans people from their chosen gender without really looking.
Now they are just dudes in dresses
Actually, reminds me of the joke from 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress'.
The one guy dressed as a chick dancing like Tim Curry is a funny joke. Every last effeminate weakling tying on silicon boobs an parading around like idiots to score victim points is infinitely less funny.
^
Meanwhile
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/23/the-koch-network-and-other-trump-allies-are-quietly-backing-his-biggest-gop-critic-rep-liz-cheney.html
The Koch network and other Trump allies are quietly backing his biggest GOP critic: Rep. Liz Cheney
Pathetic.
"Trump allies"
LOL
From the article:
"Trump and the Koch family have not always been close, even after the former president adopted long-sought tax cuts and the nomination of numerous conservative-leaning Supreme Court Justices. Trump ripped the Kochs in 2018, saying in a tweet that they’re a “total joke in real Republican circles, are against Strong Borders and Powerful Trade.” The Koch network didn’t help Trump in what would be his failed 2020 bid for reelection versus Biden."
So when exactly was the Koch family an ally? Reason has had TDS since 2015.
Explains Sullum and Lancaster's brown envelope pieces.
The Koch’s send them dildos as gifts for their TDS articles?
Joe and Jacob haven't enjoyed anal stimulation since the Money Pox pandemic began. These days it's just a circle jerk with pics of Liz Cheney.
While keeping a safe distance according to the CDC.
Yes, and also filthy lucre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_envelope_journalism
"Powerful Trade" -lol
Is that the part where Trump had to bail out farmers? Powerful indeed!
no, no, it's where efforts to exclude Chinese chemical industry from the American market resulted in Chinese chemical industry dominating the American market! MAGA!
Yeah, hard to take folks seriously who report that.
But such blatant falsehoods are, of course, NOT misinformation.
Hasn't OBL been basically predicting this for years? Old news.
I remember when the Babylon Bee had a string of Biden jokes that were some of the funniest jokes I had ever heard. I only remember two now.
* Joe Biden releases first podcast on 45 rpm single.
* Joe Biden embraces vote by telegraph.
That was when I knew the Onion was yesterday's fish wrap.
Oh no, right-wing media isn't about demonizing this Levine person or that school child on the swim team when they post their pictures alongside anti-trans screeds over and over and over again. It's about satire!
You don't have to save the souls of people you have chosen to dehumanize. Razor-toothed gremlins don't have souls!
it's okay if you don't get jokes.
I've seen retards laugh at pretty stupid shit in my day, but there is no fucking way you people actually think the BB is funny.
A joke is not repeating conservative cultural views and then forgetting a punchline. Don't know if you knew that.
part of the big reason the left cant meme, is because they dont get memes, they dont get humor, and are so obsessed with being offended they have ruined their ability to laugh
its no surprise you have self segregated with the others.
enjoy your hannah gadsby show.
"part of the big reason the left cant meme, is because they dont get memes, they dont get humor, and are so obsessed with being offended they have ruined their ability to laugh"
It also doesn't help that a lot of time it is obvious any "memery" from the left is coming from a place of hate as opposed to humor. They use (or try to at least) memes to denigrate, while actual memes are meant to bring humor.
^This
The left can meme. The problem is that conservatives think memes are the same thing as facts. Sometimes a meme, manufactured in a Russian propaganda mill by all likelihood, is the sum total of their political worldview on a subject.
The level of stupidity on the right possibly exceeds all other cultures that ever existed. They used the greatest source of information ever invented by humanity and turned it into fascist memes. What a waste of fucking skin and brains.
Are you all red-faced and mouth-foamy now?
When is he not?
-jcr
You have all the information you could possibly want about any subject at your fingertips.
You choose to jerk off to poorly made memes filled with lies.
You're an embarrassment to your species and you have the utter nuts to shriek about trans people being abnormal?
You're the freaks. You're the ones who should shut up and stop talking.
I can picture Tony stomping his foot while saying this. And then storming from the room.
That's what this is all about, though, isn't it? The deep anxiety conservatives have now that for once they are the outsiders. For once corporations aren't catering to their every whim. For once they have to show up and look nice or else be treated like shitstains on the pavement and can't just glide through life.
Just throw a parade and leave the normies out of your mental crisis.
Tony is bound and determined to not only prove that the left can't meme, but explain in the most painfully boring schoolmarm manner precisely WHY the left can't meme.
Case in point
it's okay if it's over your head.
Did you see the two Babylon Bee jokes I posted above?
* Joe Biden releases first podcast on 45 rpm single.
* Joe Biden embraces vote by telegraph.
If you cannot laugh at those, let alone recognize the humor, you must be a woke scold. Is your real name Karen?
Karen is his spirit animal
So the joke is that Joe Biden is old. Hilarious.
Whoosh.
-jcr
Did you laugh at jokes about Ronald Reagan or Bob Dole being old?
I sure did.
Rather low-hanging fruit, don't you think?
So you're saying you were tempted to put them in your mouth?
Like when you giggle in the mirror?
Wrong. And a better joke is repeating actual left wing posts and videos (and then getting accused of hate speech).
If the Biden administration had not been touting Levine as the first woman 4-star admiral (which both claims are questionable on merit, the former for being insulting to women and the latter being that the rank is honorary with the office), then there would be no ridiculous virtue signaling to mock.
Mocking virtue signaling is fine. I was talking about the internet-wide dehumanization campaign against trans people using Dr. Levine and that swim team kid as their propagandistic caricatures. I like humor that's original and also funny and also not evil.
It's no more dehumanizing to mock transgenderism than to mock liver transplants. The donor and recipient haven't changed because of the surgery.
Also, mockery is only dehumanizing to the superlatively pious gods who walk among us never mocking anyone or anything. The rest of us take and dish out mockery like normal human beings.
But you're the evil one, Tony. Castrating and maiming gaslit kids for your depraved ideology iis utterly evil.
some tribes preemptively mutilate childrens bodies based on their religious/moral beliefs.
some tribes mind fuck the children and convince them they want to do it, then they help them do it.
They are exactly the same amount of evil
Kids are not being castrated. The sum of the trans experience is not castrating kids. You're being abused by propagandists for fascist purposes. Somewhere, deep down, is a person who doesn't like being whored out for the nefarious ends of sociopathic men with power.
Besides, I've had a look at Trump supporters. The apex of human physicality they are not. How do you know you even have dicks if they are so deeply buried beneath layers of fat rolls?
layers of fat rolls?
Ooh, careful there, comrade. Don't you know that your party line demands that you describe the morbidly obese as beautiful, stunning and brave?
Wouldn't want to get your worthless ass canceled by your own side, would you now?
-jcr
Well, there's no excuse for rudeness. And it doesn't make people lose weight anyway.
But I am not in the "fat is beautiful" camp. Sure, these things are culturally arbitrary within a certain limit, and it'd be myopic to claim that anyone who isn't cut like a heroin addict is ugly or unhealthy.
But the obesity epidemic in the Western world I consider an actual health problem, and I blame Republicans for it. It was a terrible idea to pretend that a bowl full of sugar-frosted carbs makes a healthy breakfast.
you may blame republicans for it, but mostly because your brain is rotten
The people pushing the "fit at all sizes" and "all these fat bitches are sexy you misogynist!" and "if you criticize obesity it hurts people of color more because reasons" are all squarely in your camp. It is all woke lefties that vote D.
They are literally encouraging people to be lazy slobs and celebrate it because at the heart of every leftist is a complete lack of discipline and responsibility. Its not MY responsibility to do work, get in shape, and eat healthy, its YOUR responsibility to agree that I am sexy.
Actually, the left is advocating for not being rude to and ostracizing fat people.
Is being rude and shitting on people the only way you know to approach people who are different from you?
But the left didn't make them fat in the first place, Ronald Reagan did.
No, the left is putting morbidly obese landwhales on the covers of magazines and describing them as beautiful, Tony. I can see why that would appeal to you since you've confessed in this very thread that you don't work out lest you gain an ounce of muscle and lose your twink status, but cut the bullshit, lardass.
I thought he gave all you faggots AIDS? That causes wasting, Tony, not obesity.
I am not in the "fat is beautiful" camp
I dare you to say that out loud on any lefturd-infested campus.
-jcr
Puberty blockers are chemical castration, but that's irrelevant because some doctors are physically castrating and giving mastectomies' to minors, you lying fuck.
Citation needed.
You don't think it's odd that "libertarians" have all but ceased talking about personal liberty in favor of advocating for the government to involve itself in other people's most intimate life choices?
Do you understand that the government doesn't actually exist to confirm your retarded provincial cultural assumptions?
when those intimate life choices involve allowing helping a confused kid castrate themselves (or do anything else harmful based on a delusion) a line is crossed
A line is crossed, meaning parents have to give control of their children over to the state?
I just expect libertarians to be somewhat extremist on the subject of liberty, not the first to jump to a state solution to something that isn't even a social problem beyond you feeling personally uncomfortable.
The state hasn't taken away even one single tranny kid from their parents. On the other hand, they did take away a boy named Adolph from his parents because they named him after Hitler.
It's also interesting how your suspicion of the state waxes and wanes with the fashions of the extreme left. Polygamists should have their kids taken away so they don't turn them into sister-wives, but loading up your 4 year old daughter with testosterone and permanently destroying her ability to procreate none of the state's business...
That "swim team kid" is a 24 year old professional athlete. Maybe the reason you're so fucking humorless is because you're so goddamn stupid. It's hard to know
“School child”? Do you mean Lia Thomas? He’s 23 or 24 years old. Is that the “child” you’re referring to?
And someone who has been the focus of your impotent rage for exactly what portion of your life?
Maybe empathy for another human being is too advanced for you. Try having some self-respect and see how that goes.
Empathy? You want to die on that hill?
It's genuinely curious to me how you people can focus so much of a rage boner on this individual who hasn't done any harm to you, whom you don't know, and who probably has enough going on in their life before being the target of FOX News death squads.
But when you call trans people mentally ill and then release torrents of shit on them, you're declaring that you think the mentally ill ought to be mocked and ostracized, so empathy might be beside the point. That's just bad policy.
It isn’t rage. Just a basic sense of fairness and right and wrong. High are concepts completely alien to you. And don’t ever bring up empathy. As a sociopath, it’s something you mimic from actual humans. Not something you experience.
You're the one constantly advocating for a genocide of leftists, correct?
He's not. He's the one constantly suggesting retaliatory violence against psychopaths like you who praise Josef Stalin and mentally masturbate to revenge fantasies about Black Bloc retards murdering supreme court justices, only to meltdown into a puddle of gibbering, tearful goo when your "paramilitary wing" gets put down by one 17 year old boy with a scary black rifle.
Good band name. How many attempts have there been on William Thomas' life again?
The normal response to mentally ill people is pity, but when they refuse your pity and insist that you indulge their fantasies and neuroses with a government gun pointed at your head, they're just assholes and should be treated like any other run of the mill asshole.
This is something you can't grok because it would shatter your gossamer fragile ego, Tony. People don't hate you because you're a faggot. They hate you because you're an obnoxious, stupid asshole.
“FOX News death squads”.
These pale in comparison to the Dave chappelle death squads that tony wails about. Oh, the humanity!
WTF are you babbling about now? I think ‘Lia’s’ presence on a women’s swim team is utter bullshit, but it doesn’t anger me in the slightest.
And if you believe my rage is so impotent, why don’t you come for a visit and find out in person? As if you would ever have the guts.
Sounds pretty impotent to me.
Prove it and take him on then.
One whole fucking hell of a lot less time than you've spent furiously hate-wanking to Tucker Carlson, faggot. The tranny only "came out" earlier this year after his failed college athletics career as a man.
Or maybe letting men compete in women's sports is not an example of empathy, but just of you being a bitchy faggot who hates women.
What the fuck is so great about empathy, which you're clearly confusing with sympathy? Just because I can put myself in someone else's shoes doesn't mean I have to feed their delusions about their empirical physiology.
Wokism is the result of subsidizing students and scientists. Subsidies increase what is subsidized; when that is students and scientists, you get marginal students and scientists, and since they can't compete with the real deal, STEM, they invent fields of their own which no one with real skills will touch.
Thus gender fluidentities, climate alarmunism, and wokism.
Did someone subsidize your ability to link right-wing buzzwords together with other words?
You lost me. I need to ask for directions.
He didn't have a counter argument so he was rhetorically stomping his foot.
Why do faggots like you rave so?
Dude, don't you empathy Tony?
Because raves are fun, provided you have the right drugs.
Why do rednecks like you make it so obvious how insecure you feel about the fact that faggots like me are richer, healthier, more beautiful, more intelligent, and more productive than you?
Don't react with anger. React with some time on the treadmill.
No, not ‘a rave’, which yes, can be fun. I’m talking about YOU raving like an idiot. As illustrated by your comments.
Didn't you just admit upthread that you avoid exercise so you can maintain your soft, feminine, twinkishness? And don't you live in Tulsa, Oklahoma, one of the most impoverished and poorly-educated cities in the United States? Goddamn Tony, I know you lie constantly, but is it really that hard to keep track when they're literally on the same page?
impoverished and poorly educated were definitely factors Giant Turd was hoping for to get some mass adulation but the kids on Tic Toc obeying their chinese masters screwed that pooch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kD7rp3PEYE
specifically, subsidizing the 'social sciences'.
We would do a lot better subsidizing actual hard sciences (and the country probably needs it)
But instead we subsidize victimology 'sciences', and pseudosciences. So you get a bunch of little brats with a superiority complex but very little actual knowledge or intellect. See for example: that strong womxyn of color Hawley asked if men could get pregnant. That's the kind of 'science' we subsidize nowadays. Stuff that has no more basis in reality than my daughter's fairy tale books
It's impossible to just subsidize the hard sciences. You will get people who can't quite make it and switch fields. You will get legal complaints about bias and have to subsidize everything. You will get legal complaints about academic freedom and have to subsidize everything.
Subsidies are like every other government market distortion. They distort markets, ruin price signals, make it impossible for anyone to look for opportunities to improve things.
Subsidies are evil.
Citation?
Such experts on tertiary education here.
We’re not subnormal Marxist idiots, like you.
Interesting idea that TikTok is humor without a punchline. That pretty much describes the Three Stooges. No one watches them for the story or ending, only for the catch phrases and food fights.
Social media as publisher / platform ... I smiled when I heard the idea that the big ones should be classified as common carriers. But my primary complaint is that they market themselves as universal media, the way to keep in touch with family, friends, and especially business ... yet they ban people capriciously.
That, in my libertopia, is perjury. It ought at the very least be their violation of their own terms of service. But the judicial system is so biased, slow, and expensive, that individuals cannot realistically sue to hold them responsible, and the government is absolutely partisan on both their woke side and on the side of big tech.
That is the real problem. It doesn't need government to fix it, just to fix the judicial system -- loser pays would be an excellent start.
secular and socially liberal.
The trans movement and accompanying ideology is not socially liberal. It is incredibly conservative and regressive.
The belief that ones thoughts and feelings must conform to ones sex is sexism itself. "Transitioning" is the most extreme possible expression of sexism.
Look, this is all surprisingly easy. In general, people with genotype XX are phenotypically female. In general, people with genotype XY are phenotypically male. In general, people's sexual self-identification accords with their phenotype and genotype.
In general, i.e., not invariably!
You may question whether everyone who claims that their sexual identity is different from their phenotype but to be sceptical about all such claims is simply willful blindness.
You may question whether everyone who claims that their sexual identity is different from their phenotype but to be sceptical about all such claims is simply willful blindness.
But if you are skeptical, you will be correct more often than wrong.
No. Definitions have meanings.
2+2 is always 4.
If you want to write it in base 3, go ahead; it still has the value of IIII whether you write it as 11, or 10 in base 4, or 4 in base 5.
XX and XY have very specific meanings. Wokism can't change that.
You're just wrong. First of all, chromosomes don't have "meanings" except what you choose to attach to them. Second of all, biology never deals in absolutes. Everyone agrees we're talking about a small proportion of the population.
You shouldn't mistake the fact that these minorities were brutally erased from society for a description of reality.
In fact, one of the reasons trans people are a new concept for you is because some of the first research and support centers for trans people were burned to the ground by the original Nazis.
And now we have come full circle and the party of fascism, national socialism, and scientific racism is the one fully embracing trannies.
What's your point? There has been some redemption to Nazism because they made it right?
I thought my point was pretty clear. To say that chromosomes have strict "meanings" is false. It's just not a true statement.
And also, just because right-wing reactionaries have been systematically erasing gay and trans people (up until well into my lifetime) doesn't mean that the "correct" culture is one without gay and trans people in it. Probably the opposite, considering the track record of right-wing reactionaries.
So say I decide that I am a black female tomorrow, despite clearly having a penis and being white.
I mean, chromosomes dont have a strict "meaning" right. Why is it somehow more plausible to say that I am actually a lady despite cock/balls than I am actually a black person who's chromosomes just happen to get my melanin content wrong?
So can I identify as a black female?
I'm certainly not going to call my congressman about it.
But you might if Jimbo got a scholarship or promotion over you because he was "Black".
It's such a sad, small world you people live in.
I can assure you that my world is much happier and larger than your 600-pound life in your Mom's basement.
Goal posts go zooooooom!!!!!!!!!
Tony had to fall back to a non-sequitur here, seeing as 11th grade was his terminal level of education and he's never held a job.
Take the L, Tony.
There is no such thing as "gay and trans people". One has nothing to do with the other. On the contrary, convincing sexually non-conforming boys that they are actually girls amount to an attempted genocide against Gay men.
Genocide has already been attempted against us, thanks, and it wasn't by the culturally progressive. It was by the people who also genocided trans people.
Well, responding to you is sort of like beating up a girl.
I wish you were actually as persecuted as you wish you were.
Contrary to his complex, no one gives a shit about what he is.
You shouldn't mistake the fact that these minorities were brutally erased from society for a description of reality.
You're talking about how gay people are being erased by the trans movement here?
Twitter isn't real life, you know.
Correct horse battery staple.
This is literally as relevant to the discussion as what you posted.
Yeah Tony, chromosomes don’t mean anything, and you are whatever you believe yourself to be if you just wish really, really hard.
You are one moronic, silly bitch.
Chromosomes literally encode your makeup as a person, you fvcking clown.
Where do you think the DNA is?
XX and XY have very specific meanings. Wokism can't change that.
You're confusing mathematical definitions with the real-world. Mathematical definitions are "by definition" true. Real-world definitions may be fuzzy and imprecise, because the real world has variation that often enough cannot be captured by a single word or term. A good example is the definition of "species". The standard definitions are very useful and cover most outcomes, but invariably, there will be real-world cases that are not covered by the definition. Do biologists say, "oh, these are not species and you're Woke for saying they are?" or "here's an example of a species not covered by the general definition"?
Almost all the time someone with XX is defined as female and someone with XY s defined as male. But someone with full AIS has XY yet has a female external body and will typically identify as female.
Are hermaphrodites male or female? Or are they intersex? Or perhaps according to you, "intersex" is a Wokeist term and there's no such thing as hermaphroditism.
I forbear from speculating on the psychology of people who are so resistant to the scientifically uncontroversial idea that sex distinctions aren't as clear-cut as we might suppose.
I forbear from speculating on the psychology of people who are so resistant to the scientifically uncontroversial idea that sex distinctions aren't as clear-cut as we might suppose.
If you're talking about the infinitesimally rare condition of being born intersex, fine... why is Lea Thomas leapfrogging that?
Yes, and those special conditions are the equivalent of base 3 "2 + 2 = 11". It doesn't change the value, only the representation.
You can also be pedantic and say that in some programming languages, "2" + "2" = "22".
Grow up.
You make the same mistake as before in confusing mathematics with nature.
It's a really stupid error to define something in nature and then insist that the definition takes precedence over reality.
Red herrings. Virtually no "trans" people suffer these extremely rare conditions.
The 1 in 100,000 instances of chromosomal intersex are not only too small to even be considered an exception, but also not what "trans" means, shreek, you kiddie fucking stupid sack of shit.
We never segregated bathrooms or sports by gender identity, we segregated them by sex.
I'll call you whatever you want, you can wear lipstick, a dress, or pants and flannel shirts, I don't care. But you're not getting into women's sports because you "identify" as something else.
Who is this "we"? Sex-segregated bathrooms are extremely modern inventions. You want to use the government to enforce cultural norms that came into existence in the last century because those are the ones you're used to. I submit that you can't be a good libertarian if your primary fixation is on maintaining all of your specific cultural traditions. Freedom for all just doesn't work that way.
As for sports, there is sometimes more variation in musculature within a sex than between them, so except in cases when these things are measured to literally within the ounce, like boxing, there generally is some room to play with.
Sex-specific traits are mostly determined by hormones, and transitioning people take hormones. The younger they start the more like their gender identity they're likely to be.
But you want the government to step in at every stage of this to make sure you don't feel weird in your tum-tum, correct, libertarian?
Sex-segregated bathrooms are extremely modern inventions.
That's because public restrooms for women are recent innovations.
So the correct cultural assumptions were the ones that permitted women in public but still felt their delicate modesty must be protected.
What's the correct hem length of their skirts, do you think?
Gibberish. Should have expected that.
He’s just a raving flagellating faggot.
Since you're a typical flaming faggot misogynist bitch who hasn't spoken to a biological woman since your mother disowned you, you probably don't realize that we sex segregated public restrooms and sports at the behest of women who didn't feel comfortable with rape-y bepenised persons in their intimate spaces and couldn't physically compete with men in sport. It's a courtesy we extend to the weaker sex, because most of us are not narcissistic pieces of shit like you who get off on exposing our cock and balls to unwilling women.
Tony failed history. Tony doesn't even realize that women didn't have effective means of controlling menstruation (another one of those social constructs he no doubt would blather on about) until the 1930s.
Outhouses were single stalled
As for sports, there is sometimes more variation in musculature within a sex than between them, so except in cases when these things are measured to literally within the ounce, like boxing, there generally is some room to play with.
This is using an irrelevant point to push an agenda, like one of those algebra riddles you give people where you describe the problem without parentheticals.
There is a fair amount of variance within male musculature-- absolutely. It's why I don't play center for the Detroit lions. It's why I'm not winning the Olympics in decathlons or beating the Kenyans in an ultra marathon.
However, once self-selected for performance, ONLY men will have the musculature to be able to dominate as the center for the Detroit lions or win the best time for an ultra marathon. It's why Serena Williams got her clock cleaned by a dude who was ranked something like 600th in Professional tennis. It's why the Women's national soccer team got creamed by a U15 boys team.
You can keep playing this bullshit "ackshyually" game by taking the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers of the outliers, but science and facts are not on your side.
Shorter, it's why middling men make the best women at almost every sport.
WTF is "people's sexual self-identification" and what does it have to do with anything?
That's the divergent point. I don't grant the premise.
There is no such thing as "sexual identity". Sex is a biological fact.
Pronouns aren't.
No, they're not, and I'll use them how the fuck I like.
They correspond to biological fact. Words mean stuff.
Painful beatings would do you a world of good Tony. Your family failed you in this regard.
True. Pronouns are a linguistic fact. It's been especially fun watching you faggots colonize gendered languages like Spanish in order to accommodate your mental illness.
I read the bee just for the trans jokes.
The recent one about bird affirming care still cracks me up.
Well, I thought it was funny. Well, worth a chuckle at any rate.
Of course, censoring comedy is such a great self-own, if I were the Bee, I'd be more than happy for every day that censorship goes on. It's the best advertisement for their brand of satire one could imagine. You can't buy that kind of popularity.
They should consider being banned from Twitter as a signal honor and proof positive that they have the correct message. For daring to state the obvious truth that "Rachel" Levine is still a man, regardless of how he "identifies", yeah, that's bad. And BTW, Levine's choice to "identify" as a woman was a poor one. Fair or not, the way our society works, as a man his looks may have been unremarkable. From the point of female attractiveness, Levine is downright homely (that's me being charitable).
"They created their own network and subscription, both of which are flourishing".
To be anything approaching a reporter, you shoudl ask what the actuall subscription numbers are, rather than parrot their unsupported line it is "flourishing". This is nothing more than an advertisement for them.
https://m.youtube.com/c/TheBabylonBee
Over 850k subscribers. How can you say that's not "flourishing"? In contrast, CNN+ only netted about 150k subscribers before it shut down. What makes you think they're lying? The burden of proof lies on the accuser, and you haven't made any case.
Take the L, alconnolly. Lose the damage control and repent of your wrongful ways.