Glenn Greenwald on Tucker Carlson, Chelsea Manning, Russia, and Big Tech
"The kind of values I've always embraced are heard more on Fox than on CNN and MSNBC, where they're not welcome."
HD DownloadNo living American journalist has a fiercer reputation for independence—and invective—than Glenn Greenwald. The Pulitzer Prize winner helped break the Edward Snowden revelations, was once threatened with jail time by Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, and was part of the team that launched The Intercept in 2014 before resigning six years later, claiming his colleagues were censoring his criticism of the Biden administration.
So what are we to make of the fact that Greenwald, once a contributing writer at Salon who appeared regularly on the left-wing news show Democracy Now!, is now a fixture on Fox News' Tucker Carlson Tonight? How do we explain the fact that Greenwald, known for his progressive critique of American foreign policy, is now welcomed in conservative circles but considered a pariah by many of his former colleagues on the left?
Has Glenn Greenwald changed, or have the rest of us?
Reason's Nick Gillespie caught up with him in Las Vegas, where he was speaking at FreedomFest, an annual gathering of conservatives and libertarians. Greenwald was part of a roster this year that included Sen Rand Paul (R–Ky.), publisher Steve Forbes, former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, and Project Veritas' James O'Keefe.
We talked about why he has no qualms about appearing on Carlson's show, why so much of the legacy and left-wing press is quick to apologize for state power, how the trans movement shows the limits of identity politics, and whether the state has any business regulating the internet via antitrust actions.
Narrated by Nick Gillespie; edited by Adam Czarnecki and John Osterhoudt; camera by Noor Greene and James Marsh
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I don't get why these are multi-posted these days.
Glenn Greenwald twice is better than Jared Polis once.
Polis is worth hearing from too. Though I don't get the effusive praise. I think Nick should just start interviewing real out there folks though.
Polis is a weak tea libertarian, in that he's a Democrat that seems to not really want to engage too much in the modern Democratic in-fucking-sanity. But if extending welfare benefits to the third world while not caring too much about what you do in the bedroom is the best we can get, man our standards have dropped.
I would agree. I would not call him libertarian at all, and he is a good representative of this weird movement Reason is going with now of appealing to the left. I think this has led to a situation of them moving more towards positive rights as a model, as well as an ends-justify-means model. This is actually consistent with Nick who has always been a libertine. The broader shift in Reason is concerning and I think they actually could use someone a bit more right-libertarian than Tucille, whose the closest but is a wild card.
I just think Nick should interview more non-libertarians. Get in fights with them if he needs to. That said, I don't listen to things so until they have transcripts I won't even know.
Honestly, it's what led to my long hiatus from here. But, this is where I like to talk with folks online. It's the best I've had. I increasingly find myself at odds with Reason in pretty big ways though.
Also, Trump led to such a meltdown in both the articles and the comments that I just retreated entirely from politics for a few years. It all became noise.
It's pretty interesting how, as Reason has arguably gone more to the left the tone and content, the comment section has gone mostly in the opposite direction. Which is not really a complaint (though I could do without some of the nastiness).
Still is the best comment section. Unmoderated and you can actually carry on a discussion with people.
I can't remember if you're an old timer or not. I'm not particularly, but Trump was a big change around here in the tenor.
Though, there was also a huge loss of users around that time as well. That really changed things.
I've been commenting here since before Obama was elected. Through Lone Whacko, rather, White Indian, the woodchipper incident, the glibbening and whatever the fuck is going on now.
That sounds right. I can't remember when I first started posting. And I can't really remember who was where over that time. I remember Fist has been around forever. So has Paul. I can remember people who were here but are now gone, Citizen X and Crusty being two I miss a lot.
It's all vague though.
"though I could do without some of the nastiness"
I'm sure you could, because that's sooooooooo much more objectionable than constant lying and cheering on totalitarianism.
Yep, nothing changed in 2020. Everything's totes normal and fine. If we beg really nicely I'm sure they'll stop destroying our lives and making the hell we're in much worse.
Sincere question for all you tone police: what the fuck do you think your life is going to look like in 5 years?
Hey, you do your thing, I'll do mine. I happen to think it's possible to take things seriously without being a dick to everyone all the time.
Also, I think you are sincere, but you do behave a lot like an FBI plant trying to get people to threaten violence or plan some illegal activity would. What do you really expect people to say in response to some of your more provocative comments?
I expect people to man the fuck up and stop talking like it's 2005 and we're just dealing with normal political bullshit.
The dishonesty of most conversation here is nauseating.
It is not "unfair" to treat people and publications as what they've proven to be.
And it's dishonest as hell to act like Reason, or any of its staff, is anything other than a front to advance the cause of totalitarian globalist progressivism.
There is no excuse whatsoever for their coverage of Russiagate and the 2020 election, and their continued pushing of Cathedral lies. It's pure evil.
Anyway, on to the question.
What do you think your life is going to look like in 5 years? What world are your children going to be living in?
And has this vision changed much from 5, 10 years ago? From 2 years ago?
History will mark Trump as a dividing line. He's just another ignorant authoritarian in many ways. But his defining characteristic is that he says what he means and means what he says. He may be the most open and transparent politician in US history, it is why so many people voted for him, and it is what scares the living crap out of every other politician.
Reason has fallen to TDS like everyone else. He will color politics for a generation. Every political action is viewed through TDS glasses. US politics won't return to "normal" until TDS is gone. Reagan had a similar effect, but disappeared sooner.
"He's just another ignorant authoritarian in many ways."'
Trump could be ignorant as hell, in fact he treated ignorance like a virtue, but I still can't see how he was authoritarian compared to any other president.
^THIS^ he spoke like an authoritarian sometimes but in the end deferred to his advisors [in most cases].
Biggest failure of an authoritarian in the last 20 presidents.
EVERY Dem president was more authoritarian as far as i can see.
Trump is "openly transparent" in being the biggest liar in the country and his hate for, and crushing of, democracy.
There is nothing admirable about this traitor that has so damaged the country, it may never recover.
you are obviously in the throes of TDS
On the contrary, Trump has not committed treason. He was really no more offensive than the previous presidents we've had, as well local politicians that engage in gerrymandering to get results in their favor. You want an attack on democracy? Well there you have it. Trump had nothing to do with any of that.
Ersatz is right, you're deranged.
Well said. Trump is blustery, arrogant & bombastic..but at least he likes the country. Having “pulled back the curtain” on the the swamp, he set off a firestorm of hate from the leftist wannabes, and by extension anyone that disagrees with their totalitarian agenda. Their “cluster” of wrong decisions (supposedly lead by a demented political hack) is purposeful (what are they ?0 for 5), otherwise it would be a coin toss and statistically they would do something right!
And Trump had things going in the right direction. I don’t care if he was a megalomaniac, as all politicians have outsized egos. I look at his policies and results. I would prefer Trump over the crazies in the Democratic Party any day.
Jim B
Tuccille, the FBI supremacist?
The guy cheering on DOJ persecution of election protesters?
LOL
positive rights as a model, as well as an ends-justify-means model
Yes, "outcome-based libertarianism".
I just think Nick should interview more non-libertarians. Get in fights with them if he needs to. That said, I don't listen to things so until they have transcripts I won't even know.
My biggest disappointment with Reason is that it has sat on the sidelines of one of the biggest, most vicious culture war battles of my lifetime and even when it it wades in, doesn't use the forceful language that's required, or just sat and snickered at the few people brave enough to face it head on.
As a Spiked writer recently said, "These aren't well-meaning progressives, these are society's most pernicious people."
My twp biggest disappointments are Shackford supporting transgender mutilation for kids and Sollum's TDS.
I flat out do not understand how anyone could support transgender mutilation for kids when female genital mutilation is such a bugaboo. It is about as hypocritical as anyone can get.
Sollum usually writes well on the right topics. But the slightest excuse is all it takes to start ranting about Trump. It's gotten so bad that I skim all his articles for TDS before reading them.
The interns don't know what libertarian means and seem to never have pondered individualism at all. But they are interns and I don't expect more.
How dishonest. - The big difference you ignore is that transgender people CHOOSE their adaptations, while victims of female genital mutilation have no choice. - Shame on you for ignoring this vastly important difference.
Clearly you suffer from SDS.
The big difference you ignore is that transgender people CHOOSE their adaptations, while victims of female genital mutilation have no choice.
1) This is not always true, there have been cases of grooming individuals towards genital mutilation
2) He was referring to the idea children engaging in genital mutilation, not adult transgenderism. As stated in point 1, this is absolutely happening among children, and its disgusting that Shackford (and you, apparently) is in support of this.
3) There is no scientific basis behind transgenderism:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dangerous-denial-of-sex-11581638089
And you call him dishonest? Pathetic. Repent of your wickedness.
I presume you're referring to COVID? I was mostly out for that one, but from what I saw there was a strong deference towards experts that was very concerning.
The biggest thing is that there is real wisdom in guardrails and processes. That power corrupts, and libertarians are not immune to this. I think part of it is that libertarians are not well served at this moment. So, Reason likes claiming ends they agree with even if they're done for very unlibertarian reasons. I think part of it is actually cultural. Much of Reason is of a type that finds conservatives icky as a breed and so are uncomfortable siding there.
So, it's complicated. I don't know a better libertarian site though.
I presume you're referring to COVID? I was mostly out for that one, but from what I saw there was a strong deference towards experts that was very concerning.
No, I'm talking about the mainstream acceptance of racist ideology and the open desire to foment a revolution in society based on equity, all built around race and other superficial characteristics. The COVID while jaw-dropping did get some minor pushback from Reason, but again, in the form of outcome based libertarianism. "
The science doesn't support a prison lockdown in America [but if the science did support it, then...]"
So, it's complicated. I don't know a better libertarian site though
Spiked-onine.com!
Trigger warning: British, so they all talk funny.
So, it's complicated. I don't know a better libertarian site though.</I
Well, hang on a second. I'm not being fair.
The Reason comment section is pretty damned fucking good.
No, I'm talking about the mainstream acceptance of racist ideology and the open desire to foment a revolution in society based on equity, all built around race and other superficial characteristics. The COVID while jaw-dropping did get some minor pushback from Reason, but again, in the form of outcome based libertarianism.
Ah, got it. Yeah, it's pretty bad. They tended to focus on it being a "culture war" issue, which Reason uses when they mean they don't want to talk about it. I'd be much more sympathetic to it being a culture war issue if it wasn't so thoroughly within very powerful institutions that we simply can't opt out of. It's a chickenshit dodge on their part.
Even if it was solely in the realm of culture though, Reason gives too little attention to cultural issues. These are often more important than government issues (Government is downstream from culture and all that, RIP Andrew Breitbart). In a libertarian context it's almost everything though. A weak government depends on a strong culture to handle things. If that does not exist, people will clamor more and more for government. So, Reason needs to intercede more in that as well. Soave does do that with cancel culture stuff, but I find them to often be uncomfortable being full throated in their cultural liberalism.
Soave said deplatforming Alex Berenson was justified...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/22/ann_coulter_takes_on_john_stossel_calls_libertarians_pussies.html
I prefer to read as well. Its much harder to slip something in.
For real, who tf has time to listen at regular speed? Jesus they would take a substantial part of your day away. Greenwald is my favorite journo since the Snowden revelations. I think he’s kinda capitalizing on his coincident alignment with the right - he definitely has been more apologetic to right issues and writes seemingly from a right perspective - unlike pre 2020. I don’t blame him at all - it’s just business, and he’ll prob make more catering to the right than he would have at the intercept. Matt Taibbi is right in his footsteps too - it’s great to see some real people calling it like your average skeptic sees it. Too bad the left just turned into the old right- the new right is patently worthless and sells out faster than a BLM leader. Will there ever be a third contender party?
Talking about Glenn Greenwald twice is way better that whatever else they would pump out.
Look at Youtube. Anytime something vaguely libertarian goes up and draws positive feedback, couple of hours later a flash crowd of girl-bulliers, klansmen, Trumpanzees and impotent mystics shows up as if on cue to jeer and fling ordure. Here it's like they are on permanent call. After the Anschluss of the LP, reason is the last bastion against both communo-fascist versions of anarcho-socialism.
Not so. I have not seen anything of what you described, I have only seen criticism towards the left. You're gonna have to provide proof for your ridiculous claims. Until then, you've engaged in the very same tactics as those on the left in labeling your ideological opponents. That's not libertarian.
how the trans movement shows the limits of identity politics
FYI, it's not the trans movement that shows the limits of identity politics, the limits were shown long before the trans movement came along... the trans movement merely highlighted the absurdity of it.
Libertarian article on identity politics.
Clearly the libertarian thing to do is use the full force of the federal government to suppress these ideas.
WTF are you talking about?!
Show us where we said that. Get at it. No wait, you can't.
Repent of your evil and quit being dishonest, Tony.
I’ll have what Tony’s smoking.
They, in every way, show the limits of identity politics the way Wile E. Coyote shows the limits of a cliff.
Like, to the point that I'm not entirely sure that there isn't a Looney Tunes episode out there where discovers a door labeled "Danger! Cliff!" or "Open Elevator Shaft!" and, after he proceeds to paint a silhouette on it noting it as 'The Little Road Runner's Room', the road runner confuses him by going through the door safely and he, indignant, marches through the door and off a cliff.
Then, two scenes later, he's confronted with two doors, one with a little roadrunner silhouette and one with a little coyote silhouette and, when he opens the road runner door, gets slapped by a bunch of women with purses, whereupon [Do I really have to tell you the ending?] he marches through the little coyote door and off a cliff.
And Reason contributor, Brendan O'Neill:
Boris derangement syndrome is real. O’Neill is ok, except for his TDS… Thatcher DS.
The ‘adults in the room’ are the scariest people in politics
It does sound like a mafia euphemism.
[Marlin Brando Voice]These rabble-rousers have become an unruly nuisance, a thorn in our side. Meddlesome children in need of some adult supervision. Maybe the adults in the room should pay them a visit. Teach them some civility. Some respect.[/Marlin Brando Voice]
https://reason.com/2022/07/13/brickbat-anyone-else-got-something-to-say/?comments=true#comment-9595920
And...
No no! It's the guy with defensive knife wounds on his hands who started it!
I'll stand on the sidelines and snicker!
No no! It's the guy with defensive knife wounds on his hands who started it!
This is how it works in New York.
How dare someone reject superficial traits defining people except when they think they're supposed to be someone else!
No no! It's the guy with defensive knife wounds on his hands who started it!
It's like they don't understand, even in the most abstract or narrowly concrete, the phrase "bleeding edge".
What is fascinating to me is how progressives are reacting to, and treating one of their own (e.g. Greenwald) when they engage in wrongthink.
I don't think the words 'purge' or 'autophagy' quite do it justice.
I haven't listened to this specific interview, but he's been asked before on "what changed" and he essentially said that nothing had changed that his entire purpose for getting into Journalism was to challenge centers of power in the deep state and the military industrial complex, and shed light on their activities and try to bring transparency to the government. He then said that the reason the left thought he was such a hero back during the Bush administration is because at that time, he was useful to the left as someone who could disrupt that administration's activities. But that power shifted, and now the people the left nominally supported have taken charge of the deep state and so they're not as keen on having light shed on their activities.
He hates the deep state so much he is working to hand it back to actual fascists.
Yes he is way to cozy with Biden.
I think he's psychologically unstable.
That means a lot coming from you.
you have no respect for words i think... do you even know what the word 'fascist' means?
but then again, you do have to shill for your team dont you?
Greenwald is just the most famous but he's far from the only one, the exodus continues as the left gets even more crazy.
https://spectatorworld.com/newsletter/coalition-redpilled-dc-diary-07-18-22/
That guy got so much mileage out of being against a war so many people ended up being against, even Republicans don't talk about it.
He doesn't appear to have a worldview, if he ever did. He's become a common anti-woke internet grifter. Oh dear those censorious communists... who run major social media corporations? Blah blah Russiagate.
He's been gotten by somebody rich and nefarious. Putin or Koch are the usual suspects.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/07/21/the-adults-in-the-room-are-the-scariest-people-in-politics/
That link above shows that what Greenwald says is right. Such people are rooted in Marxist ideology, and yes, they want to censor those who oppose them. And yet you were not able to provide any refutation when you were shown the link the first time.
You should repent Tony. See that your views have no logical or moral ground to it.
>>>"Has Glenn Greenwald changed, or have the rest of us?"
lol - That has to be the most stupid question of the year. Thanks for the laugh. -- Greenwald sold out, pure and simple.
It would take way too much money to buy "the rest of us." 8^)
Both the Republicans and the corporate Democrats serve only their corporate/wealthy donors, instead of the average American like they're supposed to. The only politicians who are honest and actually represent the working class, i.e, the majority, are the true Progressives, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Libertarians have a few good ideas, like ending the insane war on millions of good Americans who prefer near harmless marijuana over addictive, very harmful alcohol. But funny how we don't see much action for that professed support.
Mostly, Libertarian perspective is flawed at its core in believing in unfettered capitalism. - After the horrific Citizens United Supreme Court decision that opened the floodgate to corporate buying of politicians, capitalism has become so unfettered, it has been fettering the population and pushing us deep into fascism.
Only Progressives can save us from this descent into a totalitarian state. ---- Rollerball, anyone?
Christ! This is even shitty parody.
When you can't respond to points, make lame insults.
Lookit the sockpuppet... even picked a character out of a Heinlein novel as a masque!
Yawn... ANOTHER communist who thinks Socialism in its two variants takes up the entire Venn diagram. So... how are these guys different from MAGA Trumpanzees?
What's the big mystery? Everyone knows that leftists are statists, while conservatives want limited government. Were you born yesterday?
Yup... conservatives want limited government the way German National Socialists want limited government. They just want radio priests to sketch out the limiting.
Where did the Nazis say they want limited government? Shame on you for lying like this.
Poor Nick. How many times did he have to remind "his people" watching the interview that "he's no Glenn Greenwald". That he's poorer than Glenn, less happy than Glenn, that he would never go on Tucker's show and that he's a man that still knows who the enemy is and continues to minister to the poor oppressed people. Why didn't he just remind his loyalists that he's "the truth, the light and the way". But Glenn just kept hitting Nick's half-teasing personal attack shots down the line for winners like Djokovic with well thought out intellectual answers. I started out cringing at some of Nick's questions and feeling sorry for him. Then I came to my senses and realized that he's not an intellectual with self-introspection and that he's just clinging to an identity of himself that is 30 years outdated and irrelevant. Just a thinly veiled anti-conservative.
I remember this guy. This is the reporter who bitch-slapped some caudillo christianofascist on Brazilian teevee; put the show's ratings right through the roof!
I need a translator for you. Can you explain who you're talking about and in some understandable non-slang dialect? Maybe a reference so I can look into what you're asserting (if it seems important in any way)?