Trump's and Biden's Terrible Tariffs
Plus: A listener asks if Trump or Biden have done anything to secure the blessings of liberty.
In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman discuss Donald Trump's horrible tariff proposal, reactions to the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore, and the late Joe Lieberman.
02:05—Trump vs. Biden on trade
19:39—Reactions to the Baltimore bridge collapse
31:17—Weekly Listener Question
39:22—R.I.P. Joe Lieberman
Send your questions to roundtable@reason.com. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.
Mentioned in this podcast:
"Trump's Tariff Would Cost the Typical American Household Roughly $1,500 Each Year," by the Center for American Progress Action Fund
"The Post-Neoliberalism Moment," by Daniel W. Drezner
"The Obscure Protectionist Law That Will Slow Clean-Up of the Baltimore Bridge Disaster," by Eric Boehm
"The Immigrant Workers Who Died on the Baltimore Bridge Were Hardworking Heroes," by Fiona Hartigan
"No Labels, With No Candidate, Says Yes to a 2024 Presidential Campaign," by Matt Welch
"In Search of Joe Lieberman's Conscience," by Jacob Sullum
"Biden and Trump Try To Wish Away the Looming Entitlement Crisis," by Jacob Sullum
"Friday A/V Club: Joe Lieberman Battles Digital Demons," by Jesse Walker
"Goodbye, Globalization?" by Daniel W. Drezner
"Johan Norberg: Why We Need a Capitalist Manifesto," by Nick Gillespie
"Sharply Fewer in U.S. View Foreign Trade as Opportunity," by Mohamed Younis
"3 Things To Know About the 'New NAFTA' That Begins Today," by Eric Boehm
"Free Trade Would Boost the Economy, But It's Not on the Ballot," by J.D. Tuccille
"Biden and Europe remove Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, but it's not free trade," by Chad P. Bown and Katheryn (Kadee) Russ
"Managing Trade's History," by John V.C. Nye
"Trump, Reagan, and Why Republicans Flip-Flopped on Free Trade," by Todd Krainin
"The Obscure Protectionist Law That Will Slow Clean-up of the Baltimore Bridge Disaster," by Eric Boehm
"The Immigrant Workers Who Died on the Baltimore Bridge Were Hardworking Heroes," by Fiona Harrigan
"Fox News host slammed for linking Baltimore Key bridge disaster to immigration: 'Reprehensible stupidity,'" by Martha McHardy
"Maria Bartiromo: Money honey who stirred Ramone's hormones," by David Teather
"Rick Scott's Thirst for Urine Will Remain Unslaked," by Jacob Sullum
David Simon on Francis Scott Key bridge collapse
"Reaping the Whirlwind," by Glenn Garvin
"The Problem with Hurricane Sandy Relief," by Joshua Swain, Jim Epstein, and Nick Gillespie
"Adios, Vinegar Joe," by Tim Cavanaugh
"Are You an "Electronic Child Molester?" by Meredith Bragg and Nick Gillespie
"Get Yer Ya-Yas Out," by Nick GillespieListener Question:
"The Movie 'Miss Virginia' Powerfully Dramatizes the Urgent Need for School Choice," by Nick Gillespie
"Donald Trump Supports School Choice. Here's Why You Should Too." by Nick Gillespie
"Biden Expands Pardons for Low-Level Federal Marijuana Offenders," by C.J. Ciaramella
"Biden Administration Endorses Legislation to End Crack Cocaine Sentencing Disparity," by C.J. Ciaramella
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Plus: A listener asks if Trump or Biden have done anything to secure the blessings of liberty.
Which listener?
98% of the Peanuts ruled out based on the question.
I could have asked it. I can think of two others.
no reader would have used "secure the blessings of liberty"
Next time you should call in and ask them to restore SPB1 access.
You should upgrade that Bill Gates chip implanted in your brain to 5G.
#MAGA-CT
You should fuck off and die, pedophile.
What does your response have to do with his comment, and the irrefutable fact that you posted child pornography links here?
Your self delusion is truly a thing to behold.
>>R.I.P. Joe Lieberman
what the fuck with the media blacklisting the dead?
Trump tariffs good!
Biden tariffs bad!
Let’s say it all together.
Trump tariffs good! Biden tariffs bad!
Repeat.
Trump tariffs good! Biden tariffs bad!
Now for the climax.
Goooooooooo Brandon!
"Let’s say it all together."
you and jeff and plug say it together all the time, every fucking day.
You really sound smarter and smarter every time you say it, you really do.
I'm still waiting for someone who attacked me for criticizing these same policies when Trump was president to say a fucking peep about Biden doing the same thing.
Fuck Joe and fuck Donald and fuck their fucking protectionism.
Can you say that?
Be specific because you are lying lol.
Defending tariffs instituted specifically due to Chinese theft that forced China to crack down on said theft is not the same as a protectionary tariff you retarded fuck. The tariffs were removed after the behavior change.
But because you’ve been retarded for the last decade and refuse to admit your ignorance you still equate these things like the retard you are lol.
Everyone you hate here has criticized trumps tariffs such as with steel. Unlike you we actually criticized him instead of invoking every president since the 20s who did the same.
You cry to deflect and refuse to criticize a dem in isolation.
He’s been told this probably over a hundred times since Trump put tariffs on China. He memory holes it every time. Probably learned that from Groomer Jeffy.
Good for Joe and Good for Trump.
It is just down-right stupid to give foreign commerce a 0% tax while taxing domestic at over 50%+.
Ideally; both should be closer to 1% but since no one wants to address CUTTING domestic tax except Trump then F'Joe and thank goodness for Trump.
So look at that... There is a difference between Joe and Trumps taxing policies. If you can look beyond a pathetically dependent USA.
(For Guilfoyle)
You know – you can still be the Trump Cultist you are despite what others say about him.
I listened to this Reason podcast and one of them said:
“Biden tariffs dumb. But Trump tariffs dumber and more destructive (because they are more comprehensive)”.
They besmirched Fatass Donnie. Now go after them like a good little cultist.
Yeah, your pedoass gi ends like that every day. No one is buying it.
The only cultists here are you the fatter pedophile, Mod, Sarc and the other commie kids.
Now fuck off.
Still waiting on an honest Trump defender.
At this point I think they're like good cops. A figment of the imagination.
I think that there are two types of honest Trump defenders.
The first type is the ones who are honest because they are ignorant. They only read right-wing news and only get their information from right-wing sources. So they never hear any of the legitimate complaints against Trump, only the strawman caricatured versions that right-wing media tells them. (“they all think Trump is Hitler! they are all crazy!”) They defend him because they honestly believe all the good things about him at face value.
The second type is the one who knows better, but defend him anyway, because they are either (a) bigots who are completely on board with restricting immigration and restricting trade with CHAYNA for fundamentally bigoted reasons, and/or (b) Civil War LARPers who genuinely believe that the other team is Pure Evil and thinks the sooner the shooting starts the better, and Trump is their general to lead the Second American Republic.
Trump defenders here at yer service!!!
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must Shit be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, Shit Has Become Known Unto us, that Shit is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must Shit Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with shit! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree with us in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered shit ALL! You can take the rest of the day off now.
(You’re welcome!)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us as scheduled, but the Second Coming is now re-scheduled. You can TRUST us THIS time, for sure!
The Lord Trump DID return to us faithful ones, but He did it in an invisible way! Hold strong in your Faith in Him!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, this is true! It only did NOT happen because YOU were not faithful enough, and didn’t send Him enough donations!
The Lord Trump didn’t return to us yet, but He DID miraculously protect us all from the VERY worst forces of Evil, which is Der BidenFuhrer! Hold fast in your Faith… Lord Trump will come back VERY soon now! Especially if you send Him more money!
The Lord Trump moves in Mysterious Ways! All will be revealed SOON! Especially if you have Enough Faith to DONATE till it HURTS!
Or they're just adopting the views of those around them so they don't get cast out.
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Yes, you are a despicable person who makes it very difficult to agree with anything you say because that would mean being like you.
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I’m saying that some people are so despicable that I’d rather disagree with them then have something in common with them.
That is so rich being that mass media has been pandering to leftard ideology.
Why do you leftards constantly project everything you are onto everyone else?
So much condescension and collectivism in one post. I’m impressed.
I dont think its even possible for a person in a 'right wing bubble' to not be marinated in the legacy [(D) Propaganda] news, entertainment and music network's anti-Trump narratives. Thats not even to point out it also comes from academia, (D) hive-mind government agencies, the deep-state... etc.etc.
You pretty much sound like believe my way or if you don't, you're wrong on every post. It doesn't seem like you can have a retort ever that says maybe there's purchase in that belief, but I don't like it. You get down to dehumanizing people who don't agree as bigots or idiots. If you wanted so legitimate conversational interaction from others (you can ignore the ones you argue with here) on this board it would be worth a try.
Any day the strawman you've created to justify your TDS and defense of democrats will come by and you'll be vindicated lol.
Honestly Trump is the lesser of two evils.
By multiple orders of magnitude. There is absolutely no reason to vote for Biden, unless you’re actively working to destroy our constitutional republic.
Trump's tariffs are good because they punish CHAYNA and is a win for Team Good.
Biden's tariffs are bad because they let Team Evil claim credit for what Team Good did.
They talk as if tariffs on China are paid by China.
Some of them are stupid enough to believe that, but some know better.
And who pays the tariffs on American goods?
Damn you’re dumb.
Sarcasmic, ChemJeff and Plugly and one dissenting voice. The Trifecta of inane commenting. Bread-casmic, CircusJeffRingMaster and a PluglyGacyclown to join the show.
'All together now!'
The only 3 libertarians here.
You guys do do your best to make sure anyone remotely libertarian is not welcome in this Trump authoritarian echo chamber. I'll give you credit for that. Kudos. Two pats on the head and a slap on the back. Plus three attaboys.
Dude, no one gives a fuck if you post here or not. You do a great job exposing your own ignorance, hypocrisy, and general childishness. Who am I to stop you?
All that ye fuckers are, is a giant dog-pile (and dog-shit-pile)!!! Yip-yip-yip, bark-bark-bark, and howl-howl-howl! Oh howl the wolf-dog-pack yips, barks, and howls!! The know NOTHING about reason, logic, or being data-driven! ALL that they know is howl to yip and bark and howl! AND threaten to BITE! Get on OUR dog-pile, or else!!! That is ALL that ye know! Stupid-dogs!!!
BITE ME, assholes, because the GOOD guys, who are actually data-driven, WILL win in the end!
If you didn't give a fuck you would respond to every post. No, you'd ignore me. Instead you must drop some sort of a jibe on most of my posts. Then you call me childish.
I'll show you what not giving a fuck looks like.
Youre not childish. Youre a deranged partisan retard ignorant on most subjects.
Did you understand what I wrote?
Going away forever would be a good start.
He finally admits he is seeking head pats from Jeff and shrike!
Translation: you have no real point or argument. You’re just ranting and raving like a spoiled baby because we beat you down here every day.
If you want to have a circle jerk with a bunch of other democrat pseudo libertarians, go somewhere else. This isn’t a place for you. Not that it really matters anyway. As you are probably getting close to drinking yourself to death.
So get on with it and die. Everyone is tired of you shitting up the place with your unoriginal drunken ravings.
That's a joke, right?
Don't call them a crew.
Didn't you get embarrassed this morning for the same retarded bluster?
More like: Protectionist tariffs bad. Retaliatory tariffs good.*
(*good in so far as they either get the other country to abandon their tariffs on American made products or they get the global supply chain to move away from obviously dishonest actors.)
I’m not convinced that consumption taxes (and at the end of the day, that’s basically what tariffs are) are an unmitigated evil, even in a libertarian society. Standard taxation disclaimer notwithstanding.
weekly reader question: if the National Guard had shown up, would that have been peaceful transition, or like double-insurrection?
What about double secret
probationinsurrection?I think that's what we have now but don't say anything
If the military actually did its job they would have joined the protesters.
True. The entire democrat party, and all the RINOs, should be removed at gunpoint for what they’ve done. And if it were up to me, their treason tribunals would be a lot faster than Biden’s sham J6 prosecutions. As would the subsequent firing squads mustered to mete out punishment to the traitors.
Glad to see Reason uses unbiased sources.
I’m surprised they aren’t quoting ‘studies’ commissioned by the CPUSA yet. Or maybe ChiCom front groups.
Did Nick change his name?
Odd choice. Or do they need to hire a few more editors?
All four bylines on this post list them as "editors." Does anyone at Reason actually do any editing?
But guys, Christian nationalism is a myth.
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/michele-bachmann-spreads-false-christian-nationalist-history
“So they had us read what is it that the founders read? Who are the philosophers they read?” Bachmann said. “The number one document they referred to when they were trying to figure out what kind of a country we should be; guess what? The Bible!”
MAGA would call John Locke a NWO communist if they ever offered a course in the Enlightenment at Hillsdale College.
Goddamn you’re a stupid, child fucking, commie retard, aren’t you?
You’re too kind.
Define ‘Christian Nationalism’.
Or are you referring to Christian’s who consider themselves to be patriotic? Two things that are anathema to you.
He’s referring to people who don’t want to fuck children.
Okay great. Let's talk regulations. Or because the disparity in growth is so much more for dems we ignore this now?
https://nam.org/competing-to-win/cost-of-regulations/
There's only one moral regulation, coercion is prohibited.
Meanwhile, in news from New Mexico:
'Three months ago, New Mexico issued a $1 million fine to embattled Navajo marijuana grower Dineh Benally and – citing him for “egregious” violations – ordered him to shut down his Torrance County cannabis farm. Benally has done anything but.
'Instead of closing up shop, he has expanded his operation along a rural highway near Estancia. In a March 21 phone interview, Benally alluded to a sovereign right to grow cannabis, which he says is a religious sacrament for Native people.
“This is an ancestral plant,” Benally said. “This plant belongs to us as Native people. We as Native Americans, when we’re born, we’re entitled to this land … Anything that grows, that belongs to the Native American.”
“They just keep building and building more greenhouses, said David Crosby, whose property lies near Benally’s farm. At this rate, Crosby said, “They’ll be able to supply the entire nation with pot. There must be no way to regulate or control this mess.”
Wow, Crosby changed.
The point of tariffs is to raise the price of imported goods, so they will be made here instead of in China, which is gearing up for a war with us in 2027
Maybe it didn't work, which is a fair criticism, but raising prices was the intent
2027? The ccp declared war when they released the wuflu