Brian Doherty: From MAD Magazine to Maus
A new history, Dirty Pictures, explores how underground comix revolutionized art and exploded censorship once and for all.

Dirty Pictures: How an Underground Network of Nerds, Feminists, Misfits, Geniuses, Bikers, Potheads, Printers, Intellectuals, and Art School Rebels Revolutionized Art and Invented Comix, by Reason Senior Editor Brian Doherty, tells the story of how people such as Robert Crumb, Trina Robbins, and Art Spiegelman redefined not just what comic books were capable of but what gets counted as art.
Beginning in the late 1950s and 1960s, the characters Doherty writes about shook up pop culture and the high art world, but they also fought for radical, creative, individualized expression in an age of figurative and literal censorship. In today's world of cancel culture and speech codes, there's a lot of lessons to be learned from their struggles. Nick Gillespie interviews Doherty about all that, plus his previous books such as This Is Burning Man: The Rise of a New American Underground and Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the Modern American Libertarian Movement.
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Loved Maus. Wonderful storytelling.
Absolutely loved Mad Magazine when I was a kid, but picked up a copy a couple of years ago and realized it was unfunny garbage... except for Sergio Aragones and maybe Al Jaffee.
Hated R. Crumb, creepy as fuck.
Good thread:
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1544369087748390914?t=yAt1qXq_s0B4O6E1Avs9kQ&s=19
Remember all that dust-up about the book MAUS being removed from Tennessee schools and the Left going bonkers saying it's antisemitic and whatnot? Here's MAUS referenced in a Woke book about Woke education (Feeling Power, Megan Boler) from 1999, indicating it's a powerful lever.
One thing is clear here: The Woke have been playing the long game a lot better than we have. They recognized the disruptive potential of certain materials a long time ago and have been misusing them to their purposes for decades, ready to play a lie if called on it.
The reason I'm reading this book today and found this out is because I'm trying to understand one of Boler's key ideas: the "pedagogy of discomfort," where students can have discomfort pushed into them to achieve social and emotional "learning" goals (cult grooming).
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You didn't include the moneyshot:
Also, I just learned Al Jaffee is still alive and he's 101. Wow.
my screensaver on every computer is where Bart Simpson is at the MAD Magazine office in NYC & Alfred pops his head out the door looking for Kaputnik & Fonebone to go over the New Kids on the Blech sketch ... Bart & Alfred in one scene is holy grail.
This episode of The Reason Interview was recorded in front of a live audience in New York City on Monday, June 20, 2022, as part of our Reason Speakeasy series
Is that the one where Nick talked to the Mumford and Sons former bandmate?