Free Minds & Free Markets

How To Talk to People Who Think You're Evil and/or Insane: Podcast

A special all-female edition of the Reason Podcast

You know what's really difficult? Communicating an unpopular message to people who disagree with you. Today's Reason Podcast digs into the nitty gritty of persuading people to think differently about crime and punishment or to talk calmly about gender and genetics; if there's a theme, it's how to find common ground in a conversation where your interlocutor thinks you're evil and/or insane.

Perhaps not coincidentally, this podcast is also 100 percent women. And it features four—count 'em, four!—ladies. I was joined on the stage by Helen Fisher, a biological anthropologist, a fellow at the Kinsey Institute, an adviser to, and the author of several books about gender and the way our brains work; Lyn Ulbricht, an activist and the mother of Ross Ulbricht, who is serving life in prison for his role in running the Silk Road website; and Heidi Bogohsian, the executive director of the A.J. Muste Memorial Institute and a co-host of Law and Disorder, a great radio show and podcast about criminal justice.

Tune in to hear Bogohsian on whether getting arrested repeatedly for activism is a good retirement plan, Fisher on ways to become "an effective human being," and Ulbricht on the power of presenting as "normal."

The estrogen-packed panel was recorded at Reason's donor weekend in West Palm Beach, Florida.

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  • silver.||


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    Did we count?! It's possible to lack a uterus or have two and still identify as a woman. Maybe 0-for-8 testicles would've been safer/more appropriate?

  • Juice||

    Wouldn't it be quadruple uterus, unless there are multiple sets of four uteri?

  • silver.||

    Based on number agreement, which I learned today from Tony, you're right. It's quadruple uterus or maybe quattuor/four uteri if we want to be particular about Latin endings on English words, and as pedantic libertarians, we should be.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Truly it is pedantry that separates us from the political world at large.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I miss Heaton. Also, has the Reason podcast been missing a few weeks?

  • Bubba Jones||

    Women trying to tell you how to tell other people how to think.


  • BambiB||

    Being "estrogen packed" is not a recommendation.

    I downloaded the podcast to listen to later - then reconsidered. Four women, who start out by hyping the fact that they're women? Meh! I deleted the file.

    If women have anything of any import to communicate, it doesn't require predication by "we are women". Just say what you have to say. Starting out with "We are members of a group that drives Demoncrap policy, which consists largely of emotionally-driven, short-sighted, self-serving manipulators..." would be as effective as "we are four women".

    And I'm not saying that these women are loons. Maybe what they have to say is worthwhile and highly interesting. Maybe they're exceptionally bright, and logical and a credit to the human species. But they started by staking out female-versus-male dogma - an instant and initial signal that whatever else they may have to say is probably not worth hearing. So for what's supposed to be a podcast on how to talk to people who think you're insane or evil - they start out by making me think they actually ARE insane, evil... or just plain stupid. When the beginning is the end, it's usually NOT a good beginning.

  • Devastator||

    They were joking but after listening to about 20 minutes I decided that two of the panelists were waaaaayyyy out there and turned it off.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    If you want to post more links, but it in a hyperlink or break up the text with spaces in it.

  • Bubba Jones||

    Or just remove the s in https

    But he might be referring to the limit on how many links you can place in a single comment.

  • Bubba Jones||

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    I'll just leave this here....

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    If I take the advice of this podcast, will I finally get laid?

  • Inigo Montoya||

    It's pretty likely you will.

    I started listening to it on the subway home and have already gotten laid! It's got my mojo working, to quote some old blues lyric.

  • silver.||

    .. so you had a completely typical evening commute?

  • Devastator||

    Drop 100 lbs and finally admit the comb-over isn't working and get shaved. Then you will have a chance. And listen to the advice on the podcast.

  • Devastator||

    Great podcast KMW

  • Underzog||

    but your Rhoemites think I am insane.How do I talk to you?

    "There;'s no need to fear. Underzog is here."

    The Jewish Defense League Marching Song

    The Troll Song

  • gphx||

    It only makes sense How To Talk to People Who Think You're Evil and/or Insane is for women.

  • Freelancelot||


  • Freelancelot||

    Ooh, goody...just what society really needs! A gynocentric perspective on what has become an obviously gynocentric,misandrist culture! Yay!

    Is this a libertarian or a Democrat publication?

    Women get so furious when men (and some sensible women) call them "insane" and dare to think that their relentlessly misandrist message is "evil". Well, here's a weird thought: stop acting and talking as if you're "insane" and "evil".

    This begins with understanding that women are not more vulnerable, more virtuous, or more credible than men. (They're not more intuitive, either.)

  • Devastator||

    gynocentric? lol go back to your drum circle and bitch about it dude, no one here is buying it. Women are still underrepresented just about in all professions. I don't agree with mainstream solutions to it and feel a libertarian attitude towards equality through merit is the way to go, but too many men don't buy into that, even though they claim to be egalitarian and libertarian both.

  • MarkLastname||

    Women are not underrepresented in 'almost all professions.' They're over represented in nursing, teaching, veterinarians, and many others, and I'm guessing you aren't demanding 'solutions' to that.

    People having a given type of genitals being over or underrepresented in any job or field is not a problem to be solved nor proof of discrimination. Let people make their own choices, and if some make different choices from others, whether the reason is biological, cultural, or whatever, it's not some problem for you or 'society' to solve.

  • Anastasia Beaverhausen||

    Where's the transcript?

  • Ben of Houston||

    A transcript would be useful. I read far quicker than people can talk.

  • Iheartskeet||

    Well, this was boring af. Two of these women appear to be complete nut jobs. Could not listen to the whole thing.

    Lynn Ulbricht does have a lot of poise for someone whose kid is in jail for life. Truly remarkable. Doubt I could be that composed if it was me.


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