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The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites

The sites are thought to have accounted for roughly half of all child porn websites on the dark web.

Caro / Schwarz/NewscomCaro / Schwarz/NewscomThe FBI has a controversial new method of fighting child pornography: distributing child pornography. As part of "Operation Pacifier," the federal law-enforcement agency ran a dark-web child porn clearinghouse called The Playpen for two weeks, delivering malware to any site visitors, in a scheme that was revealed last summer. But it turns out that site may not have been the only dark-web site that the FBI maintained. According to documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the agency was actually authorized to takeover 23 child-pornography websites in addition to The Playpen.

According to a recently unsealed FBI affidavit, the 23 Tor-hidden sites were run on one computer server and the FBI requested authority to seize this server and deploy its "network investigative technique" on these sites. During the 30-day deployment period, any visitor to sites 1-23 would receive the NIT instructions (essentially malware), which were "designed to cause the 'activating' computer to deliver certain information to a computer controlled by or known to the government," as the FBI affidavit explained it. This information included the computer's actual IP address, host name, operating-system type, and MAC address.

Near the end of the affidavit, the FBI notes that "while Websites 1-23 operate at a government facility," normal user-request data associated with websites 1-23 will be collected" and "such request data can be paired with data collected by the NIT... to attempt to identify a particular user and to determine that particular user's actions on Websites 1-23."

Cybercrime lawyer Fred Jennings told Ars Technica, "That paragraph alone doesn't quite say the FBI is operating" the websites. "But definitely no other way to read that than websites 1-23 were hosted at a government facility, with the FBI's knowledge and to the FBI's informational benefit. It's clever phrasing on their part."

An analysis from security researcher Sarah Jamie Lewis found that between April and August 2016, there were 29 Tor-hidden websites devoted to child porn. Lewis told Ars Technica that "it's a pretty reasonable assumption" that the FBI as running about half of them at some point. "Doing the math, it's not zero sites, it's probably not all the sites, but we know that they're getting authorization for some of them. I think it's a reasonable assumption—I don't think the FBI would be doing their job if they weren't."

As Reason's Jacob Sullum noted when the Playpen news came out, "the government's position is that children are revictimized every time images of their sexual abuse are viewed or shared," which "is one of the main rationales for punishing mere possession of child pornography," not just those who make or distribute or profit from it. Under federal law, distributing a sexually explicit image of a child comes with a mandatory minimum prison sentence of five years and a possible 20 years."If such actions merit criminal prosecution because they are inherently harmful," Sullum points out, "there is no logical reason why the federal agents who ran The Playpen should escape the penalties they want to impose on the people who visited the site."

The Playpen authorization came from a judge in Virginia, while the mysterious websites 1-23 were authorized by a judge in Maryland. So far, more than 200 charges have stemmed from the FBI's Playpen foray, mostly for receiving or possession of child porn. But in trying to prosecute theses cases, the FBI has already faced resistance from federal judges holding that the FBI's operation was unconstitutional and any evidence obtained must be suppressed. "The courts have been divided in their rulings on whether the FBI went too far," explained Mike Carter at The Seattle Times, "and prosecutors and defense lawyers say the case is almost certainly headed to the U.S. Supreme Court."

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  • Crusty Juggler||

    Judges try to curtail them, but the FBI is too damn proud and will stop at nothing in order to complete their child porn distributing mission.

  • Juice||

    You know, it wouldn't surprise me if they were out there drawing attention to the sites, bringing in customers so to speak. They were likely actively soliciting people to visit the sites and download stuff. That's usually the FBIs MO in other situations.

  • Quixote||

    They should send out some criminal "satires" too. Encourage people to do it and then nab them. Surely no one here would dare to defend the "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in the nation's leading "inappropriately deadpan Gmail confessions" case? See the documentation at:

    http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    At least now we know what happened to Old Man With Candy. He was recruited.

  • ant1sthenes||

    No way he turned fed, man. That guy was a renegade.

  • Agammamon||

    He turned Fed man. Then some of his buddies found out and took him on a 'fishing trip' off the Jersey Coast. Shot in the face, wrapped in chain, sleeping with the fishes.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    *deletes internet cache*

  • ||

  • Rhywun||

    "You're gonna love my nuts!"

  • skidmark||

    Pedobear approved!

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    I can't think of anything funny or snarky to say here. This is horrific.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Look at the bright side: they probably arrested most of the people who accessed the websites, so there's that.

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    The basis of their arrests and eventual sentences is the government's belief that every time these images are shared, it revictimizes the child in question.

    What does it mean therefore if the government is responsible for the distribution of half the kiddie porn on the dark web?

  • Eman||

    That's the kiddie porn we all distribute together.

  • thrakkorzog||

    It takes a village to distribute kiddie porn on the internet.

  • Agammamon||

    Same thing it means when an undercover agrees to help smuggle dope while making a case.

  • lap83||

    Unless one of them was associated with the Clintons

  • ||

    When you finally birth your child, Blessed lap83, keep that babe near and away from guys named, "A. Weiner," and, "C. Danger."

  • Suicidy||

    I wonder if Bill. Longing is a participant in any of those videos. Like "Big Bubba's Lolita Island Adventure".

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    I thought I read when Reason first discussed this months back that 200 arrests were made but 100,000 or so videos were distributed...

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I was being sarcastic.

  • Agammamon||

    '100,000' videos? I would need to see *exactly* how they get that number.

    Remember, this is the government that will pull up a pot plant and weigh the whole plant *including the dirt in the root ball* or takes the weight of adulterants and packaging when calculating exactly how much of a dealer you are.

    In this case, they like to put each individual frame that has anything child-porny on it as a separate count.

  • ||

    Government is the children we abuse and exploit together.

    But yeah, this is pretty fucking sick.

  • Ted S.||

    At least this case didn't have the government brainwashing the children into believing they'd been abused.

  • Suicidy||

    I w see if the FBI had to go out and produce their own kiddie porn to keep the sites running?

  • GILMORE™||

    I can't think of anything funny or snarky to say here.

    i drafted a few, most of which involved child-abusers wearing Trump-2016 hats, and nothing else.

  • GamerFromJump||

    I have know problem with the producers of kiddie porn getting shot. That's a lot of dead feebs.

  • ||

    OT: But I keep hearing all the horror stories about Trump surrounding himself with the worst GOP hacks and cronies, neocon war mongers, etc.

    But I've heard the rumor a couple of times now that Peter Thiel will be a key player in Trump's transition team. Does anyone else know if there is any truth to that?

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    He's the coke connection. Think Kato Kaelin.

  • ||

    Czar of coke?

  • ||

    You have to admit though, this has to be pretty sweet for Thiel. He publicly backed Trump and the cool kids in Silicon Valley threw him out of the club, the cool gay guys club also kicked him out the door. People cancelled business deals with him over it. And now he has the president's ear. I just hope he does something good with it. It could be great for libertarians if Trump listens to this guy.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    It's a false fag operation!

  • ||

    I knew you were going to say that!

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I gotta get some new material.

  • UnCivilServant||

    Go with denim.

  • mr simple||

    At least you're consistent.

  • ||

    Pleather. You should be ripe for mid-life crisis, Paul.

  • Deli-bro||

    *narrows gays*

  • UnCivilServant||

    He's expressed interest.

    Here's another "may be" that makes me smile: http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....tion-team/

  • ||

    Damn, a denier to head the EPA? Too good to be true.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I thought we called them "skeptics" here.
    The climate change "extremists" are the ones who call them "deniers".

    But yes, that would be the greatest EPA appointment in history. It's almost like flipping off Nixon.

  • ||

    Your sarcasm detector is broken I see. (:

  • C. Anacreon||

    But he IS a denier!
    Yay!

  • GILMORE™||

    I think even the term "Skeptic" grants too-much credence to the CAGW-view.

    It presumes that view has ever been justified based on it own data, and that the "skeptics" are somehow being obstinate.

    I personally think the popular media-interpretations of things like the IPCC are wildly misconceived and overblown. in fact, i'd say 99% of the people who strongly believe in rapid, catastrophic climate change don't actually have any primary-data at all to influence their POV = all they actually rely on for their overblown-cartoon-version of the science is some misunderstood belief that there's "a 97% Consensus" about....*something*.

    I think its terribly unfair to describe people who suggest "maybe the world isn't actually going to end" as though they are minority contrarians.

  • C. Anacreon||

    As someone who actually has science degrees, hearing people whose entire science education was taking 'rocks for jocks' to fill out their college requirement tell me that anyone who questions CAGW is "anti-science" is just too hilarious.

    Sometimes I allow myself to tell them that any true science is about challenging theories and assumptions, and no true scientist would ever say 'the science is settled' on anything.

    And it never fails, the response is always disbelief along the lines of "you've got to be kidding me, you're anti-science as well?"

  • ||

    Medicine isn't *real* science, Anacreon. It's just people in silly outfits wearing stethoscopes, chanting mantras whilst writing things in a archaic language, with a silly, irrational belief that directing and influencing healing of the human body with potions and fancy equipment is just a fairy tale. Get real, you BLEEVER!

  • thrakkorzog||

    Here's the issue for me, is that the AGW scientists just release the summary of their data, and not the actual data or procedures on how the data was collected or adjusted, so other people can examine the data. There are a lot of smart people out there who can look over the data and see if it matches up with what the climate scientists say.

    Without having that information, we're relying on experts without being able to challenge them properly. And that's generally not how science is supposed to work.

  • GILMORE™||

    the argument w/ the IPCC mostly isn't about historical data (tho i think some people also fight about that) but more about the assumptions they build into their models, and their unwillingness to re-address their past-failures and errors which have routinely produced grossly inaccurate results.

    its baldly political, not scientific.

  • ||

    Google "Peter Thiel will be a key player in Trump's transition team" and you get this.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    Trump would have to recruit the management team of the KKK before his administration would be near as bad as what Shrillary was doubtless putting together.

    Don't get me wrong. Any good that Trump does as President will come as a surprise to me, and will doubtless be an accident. But the idea of Bubba Clinton's charming wife Bruno as chief executive made my skin crawl.

  • CatoTheChipper||

    I wonder how often Anthony Weiner and other congressmen visited the FBI websites.

  • ||

    They tried, but all the traffic from other government employees crashed the servers.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Weiner for new FBI Director.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Trump really does need to repay him somehow.

  • ||

    Once again, a sham-wow can fix all...

  • GILMORE™||

    I want to see pics of the hooker

  • ||

  • Rhywun||

    W
    T
    F

    I'm expecting Kathy Bates to pop up in this story somewhere.

  • GILMORE™||

    I have a small and sincere crush on cannibal hooker now. That smile!
    (*and seriously, if you can smile during a mug shot! THATS A WOMAN)

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    Entertaining, but he's no Billy Mays.

  • thrakkorzog||

    Miss your Chipotle-Away?

  • Rhywun||

    I don't think Weiner is into kids. Just into using them as props.

  • Cloudbuster||

    He's definitely into underage teen girls. So depends on your definition of "kid."

  • Jerry on the sea||

    It's a good thing they don't run any of those terrorist sting operations either - oh, wait...

  • Jerryskids||

    Well, I'm starting to see how the FBI can be so confident there's a nexus between terrorism and gun-running and drugs and kiddie porn and human trafficking. Kinda like how Bush knew full well there were WMD's in Iraq - his daddy was the one who sold them to Saddam.

  • UnCivilServant||

    There is a nexus - it's the FBI.

  • Gray Ghost||

    Kinda like how Bush knew full well there were WMD's in Iraq - his daddy was the one who sold them to Saddam.

    +1 Hicks's "We looked at the receipt."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Playpen authorization came from a judge in Virginia, while the mysterious websites 1-23 were authorized by a judge in Maryland.

    This shows you not only the type of twisted mind that exists in the higher levels of the FBI but also on the bench. And we know that there are those in law enforcement with certain predilections who have used their position of authority to gain access or attempt to gain access to material to feed those unsavory desires.

  • ||

    If you are in the business of busting criminals you need criminals to bust to stay in business.

  • Sevo||

    And it looks like the FBI is more than happy to supply 'em.

  • ||

    There is a lot of creepy shit going on in the world but this takes the cake. I hardly know what to say.

    Where is the FBI getting their material? Who runs and monitors these sites? I don't even understand how anyone can look at that shit and maintain their sanity. I can get down and dirty with the best of them, but this? There is a pale and this is beyond it.

  • Overt||

    The FBI seized these servers that already had the material on them.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    After deleting the non-relevant emails about yoga and Libya?

  • ||

    There's an unending supply of criminals and if it stats to get low we're going to create more. /gubmint

  • ||

    So what's the over/under on Trump and Putin riding horses bareback around the mall with their shirts off?

  • Rhywun||

    Only problem is Moobs will want in.

  • JayU||

    Who watches the watchers?

  • ||

    Maryland installed cameras to watch the speed cameras they installed because the plebes were finding creative ways to destroy them. It didn't go as planned, lol.

  • JayU||

    You just described the plot of Inception.

  • Ted S.||

    Picard?

  • ||

    Hitler?

  • Hamster of Doom||

    Sam Vimes.

  • Hamster of Doom||

    Awww, man.

    There should be a question mark in there. And there would be, but I wasn't paying any attention.

  • thrakkorzog||

    Too soon, dude. Too soon.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Rolex quality control.

  • ||

    Where's shreek and Tony? Cuddled together in their safe space?

  • Raven Nation||

    Shreek was around on a couple of threads this afternoon.

  • ||

    Already starting on some new Boosh material? He should have licked those cankles harder.

  • Raven Nation||

    Nah, he was trying to make some argument about how the economy and debt improved under Obama. Kbolino took the lead in shredding his arguments.

    Here's the main argument.

    But he also ended up on another ENB post making the same argument without referencing that he'd lost the first time around. At which point there was kind of a dogpile to put him out of his misery.

  • ||

    nice

  • Xavier T. Sexington||

    Operation PACIFIER? So the FBI likes em REAL young!

  • Lee Genes||

    Jesus

    Just shut the shit down.

  • Sevo||

    The weatherman predicts more snowflakes in Oaktown:

    "Hand-holding protest over Trump to ring Oakland's Lake Merritt"
    [...]
    "At this point and time, I really hope that people can just peacefully get together," White said. "People need to be together. I think people are scared. People are crying."
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....609198.php

  • ||

    "I think people are scared. People are crying."

    How many of those people cried when Hillary Clinton turned Libya into a wasteland of cannibal rape gangs? Fuck them with a rusty chainsaw.

  • ||

    Oakland, CA? WTF? We have a frost warning here tonight in Balmer, would be first frost of the season. I just moved all wifey's houseplants on the deck back under the overhang. Sounds like they come in tomorrow since it could get lower than 32 F.

  • ||

    Ohhhh, those snowflakes! LOL! Funny how words take on new meanings.

  • Ted S.||

    Let the plants die.

  • ||

    I like *****... I mean, I like to grab it by... never mind...

  • american socialist||

    Is this better or worse than the Georgia militia that was going to shoot up the local federal building if Clinton was elected? I think probably worse.

  • Sevo||

    "Is this better or worse than the Georgia militia that was going to shoot up the local federal building if Clinton was elected?"

    It's not quite as pathetic as your bullshit.
    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • ||

    So, you think that all the death threats on twitter are just ok? Come on AmSoc, go full on Bolshevik here, we know you can. You didn't get your way, boo-hoo-hoo, poor wittle baby.

    You know what all my democrat friends have said over the last few days? We lost, people get over it and give the guy a chance. I mean these are professional educated people, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

  • american socialist||

    Can I get your family's address so I can highlight the contradictions to them over the next 4 years? There should be lots to talk about.

    "Give the guy a chance"

    OK, sure. I promise to give him the same chance that right-wing racists like Trump gave Obama. OK with you?

  • ||

    "Can I get your family's address"

    Is that a threat?

  • ||

    Because if it is, you'd better disappear your fucking ass off this site very quickly.

  • american socialist||

    Whoa, tiger. No one's threatening you. Why don't you go jump in the Potomac River and cool your head.

  • Sevo||

    "Whoa, tiger. No one's threatening you"

    Walk it back, asswipe.

  • american socialist||

    I think he's just pissed off that he lives in Maryland and wants to take it out on me. We don't have that problem, you and me {wink}

    Semper Fi, soldier!

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    You first, Chief.

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    Damn refresh.

    /not for Sevo

  • Sevo||

    /not for Sevo
    +1

  • ||

    No. Whoa, Tiger, you better never fucking ask me for the address of my family again, and in fact I've already talked to my lawyer. You think that shit is funny?

  • american socialist||

    Can I have your family's address so I can send them a {wink} Christmas card?

  • ||

    You've been warned.

  • american socialist||

    If you and your lawyer want to contact me you can reach me at Lionel_hutz@hushmail.com. BTW, I reported your comment as spam. Have a nice night... you and your family!

  • Sevo||

    "BTW, I reported your comment as spam."

    Thanks for the vandalism, asswipe. We expect nothing better.

  • ||

    Keep it up, I tried to warn you. And your disposable email address is not going to do you any good. I'm a libertarian. But I'm going to warn you one more time. NEVER.FUCKING.MENTION.MY.FAMILY.EVER.AGAIN.

    Have a nice day.

  • Sevo||

    "I promise to give him the same chance that right-wing racists like Trump gave Obama."

    "President Barack Obama seems to be setting a record among U.S. presidents. But it's a record he'd rather keep secret. In this era of ubiquitous cameras capturing everything, Obama may have set a new record for presidential lies."
    [...]
    "– And, let's not forget PolitiFact's 2013 Lie Of The Year: "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what. … You can keep your family doctor."
    Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/20.....z4PktieDNG

    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • Agammamon||

    Well, let's see - those 'right -wing racists'

    a) gave the coon 8 years
    b) didn't cry in the street when he was elected *or* when he was re-elected
    c) didn't whine that they were going to fuck shit up (once they stop breaking out in hives) like our left-wing racists are doing right now

  • Rhywun||

    I think people are scared. People are crying.

    People are breaking shit and laughing.

  • And you believe that why?||

    So let me get this straight(or whichever why you swing). Distributing child porn is a crime. The largest single source of child porn is the FBI.

    I don't think we need a sting to put the worst offenders in jail. All we have to do is visit FBI headquarters.

  • ||

    No reasonable prosecutor.....

    If you see an FBI guy, spit on them.

  • ||

    My take. As disgusting as I find people looking at little kids and getting off on it, just looking at something, anything, should not be a crime.

    This is how freedom dies, my friends. First you make it a crime for someone to own their own body (drug war). Then you make it a crime to say the wrong things (hate speech). Then you make it a crime to look at something (current article). Then you make thought crimes. Game.Over.

  • straffinrun||

    From the Japan Times. Can you guess who they endorsed?

    That was despite an ethics agreement that Hillary Clinton signed in 2009 in order to become Obama's secretary state that was designed to ensure donors could not sway U.S. foreign policy. Under the deal, the State Department was allowed to review any new contributions from foreign governments.

    Unlike Clinton, however, Trump is not answerable to anyone else as president. And he has already shown himself willing to blur the lines between campaigning and marketing, holding events at his own properties and touting his companies during speeches.
  • straffinrun||

    Oops. Not meant as a reply.

  • american socialist||

    Was Donald Trump on there? I heard he was into the kiddies.

    http://www.justiceforkatie.com

  • Sevo||

    Funny, I heard the same about you, asswipe.
    Fuck off.

  • ||

    Lame. FAIL! F-

    Defend socialism, or STFU. Why haven't you moved to Venezuela yet? All of your comrades are leaving.

  • american socialist||

    Nah. I'm into independence for California. Why should I move because of dumbfucks in flyover country?

  • Sevo||

    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • ||

    Where do I donate? I have a lot of friends and family in 'flyover' country. Me, I live in MD. Go fuck yourself you ignorant jackass.

  • american socialist||

    It's right here... http://www.yescalifornia.org

    We need all the help we can get from people like you that think we here in California live in a PC gulag. HELP!

  • ||

    Your lack of sense of self awareness has doomed as many before you.

  • american socialist||

    Lame. F-. Either donate or STFU.

  • Sevo||

    "We need all the help we can get from people like you"
    To pay your mortgage?
    Fuck off, asswipe

  • Brian||

    We could just have a federal government with more limited power.

    That way, you could run California however you guys wanted, never have to worry about Donald Trump.

    Oh wait: limited federal government states rights is all dog whistle racism.

    Better secede.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Yes, and that wonderful 13.3% state income tax that goes to give free shit to parasitic assholes like yourself.

    We may just be looking to move to somewhere a little more reasonable just so we can keep some of our own money for a change.

    Keep milking the golden goose in this state, and driving away the productive. Soon you can live the dream, become your own country and have everyone either be government employees or on the dole! Not sure where the money to pay for all of you will come from, though.

  • Overt||

    The most personally satisfying part of this shitfest is seeing all the people who clamored, agitated, intimidated and celebrated the centralization of unaccountable power in a strong federal government who now blame the folk in flyover country (like Pennsylvania, I guess) who handed the gun over to someone scary.

  • american socialist||

    "seeing all the people who clamored, agitated, intimidated and celebrated the centralization of unaccountable power in a strong federal government "

    Where did I do that? do you want to hear how I think Veteran's Day is a racket?

  • Sevo||

    "Where did I do that?"

    Right here: american socialist
    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    You're surrounded by dumbfucks as it is. Hell, wherever you are is dumbfuck central.

    But, by all means, please, leave the US.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Just waiting for the story in a few months where we learn that they took over a child sex trafficking ring and continued pimping out ten-year-olds so they could bust the johns.

  • Lee Genes||

    I wouldn't be surprised by that.

    *realizes he's become a complete cynic*

  • Rhywun||

    Just now? Sheesh.

  • The Fusionist||

  • straffinrun||

    Instead of Hillary's face, it should have the back of Huma's head on that pie.

  • straffinrun||

  • The Fusionist||

    Family honors Civil War soldier for Veterans Day

    "Alexander Mann Tucker lived and worked in Brownsville as a slave until he was around 17 years old.

    "'He ran off and joined the Union Army, and he fought down in New Orleans,' [great-grandson Thomas] Tucker said...

    "'His story was that he saw the slave owner's son down there fighting on the Confederate side, but when they came back, because they had grown up in the same household, they still remained friends'..."

  • The Fusionist||

    (The owner was literally named Mann)

  • Michael S. Langston||

    Then they're stupid. Unless I'm mistaken, the last civil war very died during FDR's administration.

    Also, unless I'm mistaken, Veteran's Day is a day to thank those who are serving our who have served and are so alive.

    Memorial Day is a day for showing respect to those who have served, but are deceased.

    More info here.

    /Pedant

  • Lee Genes||

    From the "They just don't get it" files.

    Kamala Harris for first woman President

  • straffinrun||

    Breaking down these kind of barriers is nothing new to Harris. She was the first woman, the first African-American and the first Indian-American to become California's top cop.

    Checking the boxes.

  • Sevo||

    She fucked her way into politics on Willie Brown's bed and now is trying to persecute a guy who runs a web site for pimping.
    There was a 'sex worker' here several months ago on a thread concenring that and she(?) wondered why Harris could sell her ass for political connections while the sex worker was getting busted for taking money.

  • straffinrun||

    If she runs, the Access Hollywood tape should be a ball.

  • Lee Genes||

    Let's not forget she was reprimanded by the 9th district for prosecutorial misconduct in her office.

    You've got to really try to get one of those.

  • Sevo||

    I'm sure she's more than up to it.
    In her entire career, from Willie's latest fuck to AG, I have never seen a single action on her part which couldn't be best described as advancing her ability to suck at the public teat.
    So anyone who examines her from a professional POV is bound to find problems.

  • Rhywun||

    the first African-American and the first Indian-American

    lolwut which is it?!

  • ||

    Yes. See how Multi-Kulti and SJWfication work, Rhywun?

  • The Fusionist||

    The Guardian progsplains why white evangelicals voted for Trump

    "Trump's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, racially charged rhetoric played right into the hands of white evangelicals as well. Although white evangelicals may often express a desire to love their neighbours as themselves, in reality the commandment is selectively applied. Anyone considered and deemed a threat to evangelical self-understanding, which includes a narrow vision of what America looks like, is on the other side of the fabled "culture war". At the end of the day, that war is based in a particular conception of whiteness, filtered through the lens of religious identity and social conservatism. It's not surprising, then, that four out of five latched on."

  • The Fusionist||

    "Northern Ireland's First Minister has threatened to limit powers of the country's anti-discrimination body, after two Christian bakers lost a legal battle.

    "The owners of Ashers Bakery were found guilty of unlawful discrimination based on sexual orientation, after refusing to bake a cake showing the message 'Support Gay Marriage' above an image of Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie....

    "[First Minister Arlene Foster's] party has repeatedly used Petitions of Concern – designed to ensure cross-community power sharing – to veto equal marriage bills. The tactic has blocked equality in Northern Ireland, even though same-sex marriage is law in the rest of the United Kingdom as well as in the Republic of Ireland."

  • The Fusionist||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    All of those voters would have otherwise pulled the lever for Hillary, as would also have all those millions who chose not to vote at all.

  • straffinrun||

    Translation: If people who hated Hillary had only voted for her, she would've won!

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    Funny that the writer is associated with an organization named "Hive". She shows absolutely no independent thought in that pile of horseshit.

  • Lee Genes||

    Do they progsplain it to us?

  • DenverJ||

    I voted for Johnson, so I caused Hillary to lose? That makes me even happier that she lost, and i didn't think that was possible. Hahahahahahaha! Fuck that bitch.

  • The Fusionist||

    Show some respect, people are grieving!

  • GILMORE™||

    I voted for Johnson, so I caused Hillary to lose?

    ITS LIKE 2 FOR THE PRICE OF 1

  • DenverJ||

    Whoo hoo! "Buy a whiskey, get a free beer!"

  • GILMORE™||

    *that was (and may still be) the famous "happy hour" deal @ Doc Hollidays on Avenue A.

    Its this crazy system where every time you buy a drink, they give you a ticket. that ticket is good for another drink.

    "why not just give people 2 for the price of 1?" you ask. That's what it amounts to, right?

    Not really. there's more to it than that.

    Because then you redeem your free drink?...

    ... and they give you another ticket.

    Anyone with a brain will now squint and go.... but... that's just a perpetual-free-drink system? buy one drink, then you endlessly redeem new tickets?

    Sort of. Because every time you get a drink, you tip the bartender. Generously. Because you're quickly getting drunk.

    And every third (free) drink? The bartender makes you do a shot with them. Which you also tip.

    basically, it doesn't make any sense at all. Its just a system of "free drinks" where you tip the bartenders. You end up dropping like $20, and get so unbelievably drunk that you're ashamed to leave. And then you start buying drinks for everyone in the place, and then you wake up with a middle aged woman who smells like an ashtray.

  • ||

    and then you wake up with a middle aged woman who smells like an ashtray.

    Don't forget your Sham-Wow, GIL.-)

  • GILMORE™||

    *i'm slightly exaggerating. Its more like you pay for every other drink, but they keep giving you more and more "free" tickets to keep you drinking, and throwing shots at you for no reason.. the "2 for 1" ratio quickly gets distorted, as friendly bartender gives you 'extra' tickets for extra tips. Next thing you know you have pockets full of drink-tickets and lots of "new friends" and it all goes off the rails.

  • ||

    It's actually smart business, as it's a way to drain the swamp of rotgut well liquor, and leaving the call and supercall boozes for the paid drinks.

    And most people accustomed to tipping (it took me a couple of years to train Dr. ZG on the value of TIPS - she wondered why waiters and waitress will dropkick and kneecap each other to wait on us when we go out to eat at our fave joints) usually do so on either a percentage and round down, or have a fixed per drink/service tip (that gets more generous as abandon to thrown to the wind along with the sheets).

  • Rhywun||

    Pretty sure I've been there tho I don't recognize the place in daylight.

  • Agammamon||

    Somebody should tell them that pretty much no one who voted for Johnson was going to vote for Clinton if he dropped out.

    If they didn't vote Trump they were more likely not going to vote at all.

    And all 4 votes Stein got are not exactly enough to make a dent in the difference.

  • The Fusionist||

    I wonder where the Atlantic is going with this?

    "Between 1870 and 1901, there were 20 black representatives in Congress and two black United States senators. Between 1901 and 1929, there were none.

    "Those simple numbers offer a small glimpse of the totality of the Southern counterrevolution against Reconstruction after the Civil War, and the subsequent bloody Southern Redemption, after which the political power of Southern blacks was effectively extinguished. The radical dream of an interracial politics, with its attendant federal investment and redistribution of resources towards the poor, had been destroyed. The optimism of emancipation leading to racial equality in the South was annihilated with a completeness that is difficult to fathom."

    You'll never guess what topic they segue into!

  • ||

    I had a prog friend ask me about a month ago why there are no blacks in Portlandia. Really? Gentrification? Is that a thing? There used to be a fairly large black population in downtown Portlandia. And guess who changed that? YOU!

  • C. Anacreon||

    Very few blacks in San Francisco these days, too. They've essentially gentrified everyone but Danny Glover out of town.

  • Brian||

    That Hillary Clinton was really black all along?

  • JayU||

    She does carry hot sauce in her purse.

  • Lee Genes||

    +1 Undercover Brother

  • SimonD||

    You'll never guess what topic they segue into!

    It has to be that on Tuesday, Tim Scott was the first black to be elected to the Senate in a southern state since Reconstruction, right.....right?

    PS: In South Carolina, which also has an Indian-American female governor (how's that for inclusiveness)...right?...Right?

  • Hamster of Doom||

    This is the most amazing thing I have read all week.

    In order to survive President Trump there needs to be a strong resistance. Our group believes that Portland has an opportunity to become a beacon of light for the rest of the nation. We can show the world what a progressive city can actually look like. However, for this to be done we need drastic changes now. We do not have time to spare. Our organization is demanding in Portland:

    The list of demands is the best part. Alas, they want lots of all the things, and comment space just isn't that big, so you'll have to click through.

  • The Fusionist||

    Rent control and an end to no cause evictions
    An end to police brutality
    An end to racial disparity in policing
    Citizen oversight of the police with real power
    An acknowledgement of Portland's racist past and concrete steps to rectify that sad truth
    No new fossil fuel infrastructure or support towards the fossil fuel industry
    Clean air and water
    Transparency in city government
    An acknowledgement that we are living on stolen land and efforts to rectify that fact
    Open and accountable elections
    Safe streets
    Continued sanctuary city status
    Full LGBTQ inclusion
    Well funded schools for ALL our children (No lead in the water!)
    An affirmation of women's rights including free and safe abortions
    More funding for sexual and domestic violence prevention and better policing on these issues
    A safe and welcoming place for immigrants and refugees
    Increased mental health funding and accessible services
    Safe locations for the houseless population
    A houseless bill of rights
    The right to free and safe abortion
    Get Nestle out of the gorge
    No More tax break to major corporations such as Nike, Comcast etc. and much more.
    Guaranteed living wages

  • Lee Genes||

    It's the "drown them with too many idiotic ideas" approach

  • The Fusionist||

    Also, making the case for increased mental health services.

  • SimonD||

    My personal favorite is:
    An end to racial disparity in policing
    AND
    More funding for sexual and domestic violence prevention and better policing on these issues

    Translation: The cops are racist; let's punish them by giving them more money and power.

  • Lee Genes||

    How do they plan to rectify the "stolen land" issue?

    I guess they could just give Portland to the local tribe. Should be interesting.

  • C. Anacreon||

    So, now the bums are the 'houseless'? First time I've heard that one.

    No doubt a trend to widespread use should soon follow, as it does with most new words that replace an old word which somebody feels has become 'loaded'.

  • JayU||

    Mongoose.

  • Lee Genes||

    They seem to really like abortions. They mention them twice.

  • The Fusionist||

    "I like abortions."

  • GILMORE™||

    When the protest Thursday evening shifted to a riot, McKelvey said he left.

    Leadership

  • GILMORE™||

    They also have a fondness for the term "Rectify", but i doubt they really understand what it means.

    I'm going to guess the "rectifying" involves taking other people's shit at the point of a gun.

    re: Nestle

    I presume the locals are all in a KKKorporations!! tizzy because they learned that the city sold water-rights to NBWA (*nestle bottled water americas - the largest bottled-water company on earth)?

    I guess it never occurred to them to just "stop buying bottled water"; because Nestle (and the city) get rich off yuppies who are scared of their own tap water, but will pay $2 for it if it has a label on it.

  • ||

    "WE PUTTING THE REKT IN REKTIFY!!!!"

  • Brian||

    "Nestle out of the gorge"

    Proggies have the weirdest euphemisms.

  • GILMORE™||

    ....tiny Cascade Locks, staggered but standing following the collapse of industrial logging, has persuaded the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife that a limited swap of water rights between the city and state to allow for the bottling of Oxbow's waters makes sense. And on Friday, both the city and ODFW are scheduled to file separate applications to the state's Water Resources Department to approve the proposition.

    The stakes are high. Nestle Waters North America would bottle 9 million gallons of Oxbow water a month and bring to Cascade Locks 100 semi-trucks a day to take it away, making for 200 trips through town - this while providing about 50 new jobs at a bottling facility, boosting property tax revenue by 67 percent and sweetening the city's treasury with an additional $18,000 a month in revenue.

    All the people protesting the deal don't live in this little town, but in Portland itself (*where i assume a lot of bottled water gets sold)

  • Cdr Lytton||

    It's a city to the east of Portland, about 40 miles. Just like everything else, those fuckers want to control everyone else(*) well outside their own jurisdiction(**)

    (*) Hood County, where the proposed plant would be voted on their own measure to ban water bottling. However, voters inside the city of Cascade Locks, which has the contract with Nestle, opposed the measure and the city is challenging the new law based on those results.

    (**) the City of Portland's water supply also lies outside of the city's boundaries. They have the exclusive use to the Bull Run watershed thanks to long ago Congressional legislation. Not just water rights, but the land and control over entry into it. Fuck them and fuck Portlandia idiots.

  • Brian||

    They're really good at the "demanding things".

    It's the "making shit" and "paying for things" that they struggle with.

    But demands? Got it down pat.

  • american socialist||

    Hmmm, I lived in Portland for a while. To the extent possible they've basically done all these things. That's why people want to live there-- maybe unlike the Tulsas of the nation..

    how do they do all that stuff?

    Brian, can you give me your address so I can highlight all the contradictions of a right-wing Trump administration or do you get all weird about that?

  • Brian||

    To answer your question: yes, you're still a racist.

  • Sevo||

    "Brian, can you give me your address so I can highlight all the contradictions of a right-wing Trump administration or do you get all weird about that?"

    "President Barack Obama seems to be setting a record among U.S. presidents. But it's a record he'd rather keep secret. In this era of ubiquitous cameras capturing everything, Obama may have set a new record for presidential lies."
    [...]
    "– And, let's not forget PolitiFact's 2013 Lie Of The Year: "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what. … You can keep your family doctor."
    Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/20.....z4PktieDNG

    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • John Titor||

    I note there's very little on there about earthquake-proofing the city. Will probably bite them in the ass when the next big one hits.

  • Agammamon||

    "An acknowledgement that we are living on stolen land and efforts to rectify that fact"

    that's an easy one - give your 'microhome' to an Indian you moronic hipster dipshit. No need to wait for the government to do something about it.

  • ||

    Are you saying that Portland can become even more white hipsters?

  • The Fusionist||

    Did CNN get the same talking points?

    "The man was an African-American of mixed-race heritage, an eloquent speaker whose election was hailed as a reminder of how far America had come.

    "But the man who placed his hand on the Bible that winter day in Washington wasn't Barack Obama. He was Hiram Rhodes Revels, the first African-American elected to the U.S. Senate.

    "His election and that of many other African-Americans to public office triggered a white backlash that helped destroy Reconstruction, America's first attempt to build an interracial democracy in the wake of the Civil War.

    "To some historians, Revels' story offers sobering lessons for our time: that this year's presidential election is about the past as well as the future. These historians say Obama isn't a post-racial president but a "post-Reconstructionist" leader. They say his presidency has sparked a white backlash with parallels to a brutal period in U.S. history that began with dramatic racial progress."

  • Lee Genes||

    They're missing the dramatic racial progress under Obama.

  • DenverJ||

    Yeah, what really happened is that Lincoln was assasinatated, and his Democrat vice president became president, and immediately abandoned Reconstruction, effectively throwing the black population in the south into a condition not far removed from slavery.

  • The Fusionist||

    Meanwhile, on Planet Earth -

    "South Carolina elects first full-term black senator in South since Reconstruction"

    No mention of Sen. Tim Scott's party. Let's look...

    "...Scott easily defeated Democrat Thomas Dixon to secure his first full term in the seat he's held since January 2013.

    "Scott became the South's first black senator since Reconstruction when [Governor Nikki] Haley appointed him to fill the seat vacated by GOP Sen. Jim DeMint..."

    Still no mention of Scott's party, but he *did* defeat a Democrat, and he was first appointed to his seat by a Republican governor...

  • Lee Genes||

    Well if he's GOP, he's identified himself as white.

    /transracial rights

  • ||

    Eddie, I gave you a sincere response to your remark about what I told shreek. Please read it.

  • The Fusionist||

    OK, I replied.

    Addendum - I don't think you'd ever cooperate with that wicked CO suicide law, but there are some libertarians (I don't mean Shreek) who believe in such a law, unfortunately, and I think they're wrong in all sorts of ways, thus my sensitivity to the point.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Reposting as I put this into a dying thread awhile ago, so likely never to be seen otherwise:

    Some asshole CA congressman (I think it was Garamendi) was just on Wolf Blitzer a little while ago. He was seriously saying that today, all across California, because of Trump's election, that kindergarten children were yelling it was now OK to be racist and openly starting attacks against girls and minorities. Five-year-olds. Right. As if they even know what any of that means or would even think about it.

    Good grief, these people are still so tin-eared after the election they think the way to get back in control is make up even more crazy fear-baiting crap about Trump and his followers. Well, I guess Kindergarten is a German word just like Kristallnacht, right Congressman?

    He ended by saying we need immediate action from Trump to repudiate all his supporters, because "the children are listening."

    This was on a national news program. And I'm sure there were lots of this week's whiners across the country nodding in agreement, believing every word this prick was making up, saying to themselves they knew exactly this would happen.

  • Lee Genes||

    If they keep this up, Trump is going to get even more popular.

  • ||

    Indeed. In Euro-landia, the more they push against groups like UKIP, and against individuals like Wilders and LePen, the more legitimacy their views and movements gain. Even Svoboda and other actual alt-right type groups are enjoying more acceptance as legit political alternatives to the usual bunch of parties and coalitions.

    Euro-landia is so gun-controlled, nobody realises how much they are shooting their own feet, as opposed to shooting and missing, or even not shooting at all.

  • Rich||

    Exactly. The teenagers are listening.

  • ||

    Good. I'm sick and tired because this shit is finding its way up here. Not only that, Canadian smugness is beyond digestion at this point.

    Keep pushing people you losers. The comeuppance will be BEAUTIFUL.

  • straffinrun||

    Getting trolled by kindergarteners used to make people blush.

  • illusionofwill||

    So if the crime is looking at child pornography? How do the people in the bureau run the site without looking at the images and becoming guilting of the same crime?

    Here is a thought. Why not keep the sites, make them absolutely free? This would kill any money-making incentive for child porn. If we did this, then fewer children would be harmed.

  • ||

    Yoko Ono responds to Trump.

    Until now I thought Lloyd Christmas held the title for most annoying sound. Until now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vnXJVAnu8

  • ||

    You know, I was just brushing my teeth thinking, 'hey, rejoice! You'll never have to see Hillary again!'

    Even after she lost she lies.

    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/.....e-a-setup/

    She's a pathological liar:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4

  • straffinrun||

    My boss actually posted that picture on FB. If I posted that link, I wonder how long I'd last at that company. Mmmmm...*finger is twitching*

  • DenverJ||

    There is no reason to be Facebook friends with your boss, and as million reasons not to be. I thought you were smarter than that

  • straffinrun||

    I have to for work. Long story. He's actually a client, but I consider my clients my bosses.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Even Linkedin is getting that way.

  • Sevo||

    "Even after she lost she lies.
    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/.....e-a-setup/"

    Like that POS Obo, she lies like most people breathe; 24/7.

  • __Warren__||

    If there was ever a time to bring hot pants back to American fashion, this is it!

    Who wants hot pants?

  • Ken Shultz||

    There are going to be some mad ironies before the midterms.

    Here's one we should be rubbing in the faces of Tonys of the world . . .

    You know how progressives are always saying that our rights only exist so long as the government believes in them? You know how they're saying that questions like gun rights, citizens united, etc. should be determined by popular elections and representatives rather than by some theory about magical rights?

    These are the same people protesting the results of an election in the streets. How ridiculous is that people who think our rights should be subject to the whims of politicians and popularity contest--are completely incapable of accepting the results of an election?

    The other irony we can expect to see before the midterms.

    Congress may be more fiscally conservative than Trump on a number of issues. If Congress wants to overturn ObamaCare, but Trump decides he wants to keep important parts of it--like the individual mandate--then what are the silly progressives in the streets going to do--side with Congress?

    My bet says that the progressives in the street will be backing Trump against Congress before the midterms.

  • american socialist||

    Hmmm... yeah maybe part of the problem is that Clinton got more votes than Trump.

  • ||

    Ah, simpleton falls back on simpleton reasoning.

    Quelle surprise!

    Let's summarize petulant left-wing socialist thinking. They want to get rid of the EC and use the PV. And when their candidate loses the PV they will scream to go back to the EC.

    Thus it can be expressed this way:

    Duck Season! Rabbit Season! Duck Season!

  • ||

    Thus it can be expressed this way:

    Duck Season! Rabbit Season! Duck Season!

    Indeed, Rufus.

    What they don't realise is it's now Elmer Season.

    Also, have I done something to offend you, Rufus?

  • ||

    Why do you ask such a question?

  • ||

    Just checking. Haven't had conversation with you in a while, actually. I figured it was because I smelled of turnips or made some off-colour comment or something.

  • ||

    LOOK. I SAID YOU WERE NICE AND ALL BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE DANCE WITH YOU. BESIDES. CRUSTY ALREADY ASKED ME.

    I don't think you want to engage an unstable Canadian.

  • ||

    I don't think you want to engage an unstable Canadian.

    Indeed. I've seen what you "unstable" Canuckistanis do. Real terrible stuff, actually. Neglecting to say, "Please," failing to open a door or get a chair for someone, weird verbal tics. Leaving a 10% tip for dismal Timmy's Ho's service, and dressing your children in Quatchi outfits. A real menace to the World Stage, you nutbars are.

    Now if this is because of your wop blood, well, that's an entirely different discussion...

  • ||

    How did you get a picture of me when I was a kid?

  • ||

    How did you get a picture of me when I was a kid?

    I bribed Mother Rufus with the entire Blu-Ray collection of Murdoch Mysteries and Miss Fisher's Mysteries. A steep price, but well worth it. Such a genteel Commonwealth woman.

  • ||

    You and Ted's knowledge of the CBC is discomforting.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Indeed. I've seen what you "unstable" Canuckistanis do. Real terrible stuff, actually. Neglecting to say, "Please," failing to open a door or get a chair for someone, weird verbal tics. Leaving a 10% tip for dismal Timmy's Ho's service, and dressing your children in Quatchi outfits. A real menace to the World Stage, you nutbars are.

    You forgot "voting for PM Zoolander, because it's Current Year".

  • Hank Phillips||

    Thanks to the four million votes cast for the LP, the Go-Pee Party now has to justify its authority every time it orders the rubes to pee in a Thought Police Dixie cup. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of ku-kluxers...

  • straffinrun||

    Nuance isn't their strong suit. Whatever Trump proposes will opposed will be opposed. That he promises to help Americans, read white Americans, will be opposed cuz Privilege! They will wind up being the biggest opponents of Trump's leftist policies. And the irony will be lost on them.

  • ||

    He should troll them. Free university! See how they react.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    * offer applies to Trump University only

  • ||

    Oh gads, now you are just begging for a stupid distraction, aren't you? Unless it's out of the Prog Playbook to get meaningful legislative reform passed, can we please avoid stupid distractions and kerfuffles? He's going to have enough of them ginned up and astroturfed...

    It's amazing: He could hand the Left EVERY SINGLE PROGRESSIVE THING THEY EVER WANTED and they would still hate him. It's like Nixon nor the last passed Budget Cromnibus never existed.

  • straffinrun||

    Yep. Their opposition will be based purely on whether or not it helps Whitey. Trump could offer free Uni only if oppressed groups get first dibs. Otherwise it's Racist!

  • american socialist||

    On NPR NOW: a story about a B-52 bomber who crashed in the Sea of China after a bombing run. You should hear the dripping adulation of the news announcer and the shock in her voice when he tells her that no one {sniff} thanked him for his service until 1995.

    I'm thinking to myself.,. So you're a war criminal who bombed a desperately poor people in a war that you were too stupid to get out of. I want my left-wing radio back where I don't have to listen to some geezer talk about to good ol days of spreading Agent Orange all over Southeast Asia.

  • straffinrun||

    Someone who is too stupid to get out of war should be tried as a war criminal? Do you even think about what you're saying?

  • Brian||

    Real men: they bother you, don't they?

  • american socialist||

    There's no reason to act like a bitch, Brian. I'm just saying-- as a libertarian like you-- that I don't like rich governments bombing poor peasants. Nor do I find people who carry out the schemes of the rich governments laudable. What kind of revolutionary, advanced libertarian theorist are you anyway?

  • ||

    So you want them to disobey orders?

    Well, it's not like you have honour or anything being, what, a socialist and all.

  • straffinrun||

    i didn't support the war despite the North being commies. Amsoc didn't support the war because they were commies.

  • Jickerson||

    I would have no problems with them disobeying orders, and no problems with people dodging the draft, either. There's no moral imperative for people to listen to government thugs.

  • Brian||

    You don't hate him because you're a socialist pussy who can't keep a house and needs his wife to support him.

    You hate him because of your integrity and ideals.

    The fact that he's a jet pilot has nothing to do with it.

  • Sevo||

    american socialist|11.11.16 @ 11:23PM|#
    "There's no reason to act like a bitch, Brian. I'm just saying-- as a libertarian like you-- that I don't like rich governments bombing poor peasants."

    You slimy piece of shit, you'd much rather have those governments starve them to death.
    Fuck off, asswipe.

  • John Titor||

    Bombing peasants is wrong, but starving peasants, executing peasants, torturing peasants, and hauling them off to the gulag somehow never comes up whenever you deep-throat the Soviet Union.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Good.
    Good!

    Let the hate flow through you.

  • straffinrun||

  • ||

    BEHOLD! The Biden Rule, Bitchez!

  • straffinrun||

    He's mysteriously evolved on the issue.

  • Gray Ghost||

    The bald-faced hypocrisy from the left on the SCOTUS hold-up, as well as honoring the results of the election, the validity of the 'nuclear option' for filibusters and other things they had no problem liking for the last 8 years, is just galling. Pointing out history to them is a complete waste of time IME: they go completely deaf or just plain ignore you like a toddler you've caught with a cookie.

    "How did you get that?!"

    "How did I get what?"

    I like the comparison in another thread that it's like trying to talk sense into an alcoholic. I've given up trying. But it is, as I said, galling: watching the sheer chutzpah of their getting pissed off because of the exact same crap they had no problem with when they were in charge.

    As to SCOTUS picks, I'd be great with Lee, or Cruz, or Janice Rogers Brown. Cruz'd be great, as I like having his sense of the Constitution in Gov't, and I don't think he's going to stay in the Senate that much longer. Being a smart prick whom nobody likes, is a much better look on the Supreme Court bench than the Senate Chamber anyway.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I so want Trump to name JRB as his pick as soon or even before he's inaugurated and then call the dems racists and mysogynist for opposing her.

  • Sevo||

    "Obama has SCOTUS nomination stolen."

    The same way he jammed O-care up the nation's ass; playing every angle of the rules he could.
    Tough
    .
    .
    .
    .
    shit.

  • straffinrun||

    Mike Lee. Just Do It! Trump. He does that and I will buy SIV his favorite beverage.

  • Sevo||

    Just went cross-town on The Embarcadero and back for a dinner. Gary Johnson signs on the median both ways, the entire (3 miles?) way. Wife says they were there earlier in the week.
    We just found the cause of the hag's demise!

  • straffinrun||

    OT but how long and where besides Okinawa were you in Nippon?

  • Sevo||

    I was on Okinawa for (thinking back) 18-19 months, had a brief leave and lay-over in Tokyo. Even Tokyo was cheap at that time.
    You're in Tokyo (or the environs) right?

  • straffinrun||

    Right in the center of Tokyo. Believe it or not, if you're careful, it's not that expensive even today. I find it infinitely better than NY, London or Paris to raise a family. Of course they have that dormant xenophobic streak that could emerge.

  • ||

    Of course they have that dormant xenophobic streak that could emerge.

    I blame Raymond Burr for this.

  • straffinrun||

    Rear Window Burr or Dragnet Burr?

  • ||

    Gojira Burr. Duh. You disgust me.

    You must now commit seppuku. You have dishonoured your family name.

  • Sevo||

    Tough crowd!

  • Sevo||

    "Of course they have that dormant xenophobic streak that could emerge."

    Wife was in Yokosuka during the occupation; she found a lot of hostility.
    Okinawa, when I was there, was still pretty pleased to be out from under the Japanese heel; they lost some 80K of their population 'impressed' as soldiers during the WWII battle.
    I also had the advantage of being a m-cycle racer and developing young Oki'n buddies, racing with them.
    I had a good time, sorry I didn't know more about the WWII battle then. I can find the facility where I was stationed on Bing maps, but the areas around Naha which were the (20YO?) battle fields and still empty then are now housing developments.
    Understand your comments about clients; I've been treading carefully this week.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    I can see how it be better for a family, but kind of surprised at the affordability. The wife felt like she was in a collection of small neighborhoods linked by train rather than a large city, let alone one of the largest and densest in the world.

  • Sevo||

    "3rd night of anti-Trump protests under way in S.F., Oakland"
    [...]
    "About 100 people gathered on San Francisco's Market Street at the Embarcadero around 7 p.m. carrying signs like "Not my president" and "Teach Peace" and chanting "Donald Trump has got to go."
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....609623.php

    This is from the Chron which has been searching for anti-Trump crap all day long ('Muslim woman on BART says someone pulled the rag on her head 'cause Trump! Goes viral!')
    Figure 30-40 losers wondering around to half-hearted cheers.

  • __Warren__||

    Trump's gonna put and end to this, I tell you!

  • Sevo||

    "...there friend brother started doing this for less than 7 months and resently paid for the morgage on there home..."

    Paging commie-kid!

  • thrakkorzog||

    Guys, I went get some dinner at the local Popeye's and there was a teenage African-American woman behind the counter. A couple of white guys came in and ordered her to get them some fried chicken, and handed him a couple of dollars. The black lady gave it to them, and even thanked the white males for the privilege of giving them fried chicken.

    My God what has America come to when White people can order African-Americans around like that? #NotMyAmerica

  • ||

    I over heard two college kids ordering at a local KFC: 'Hey Niggers! How's 'bout you niggers get me some of dose fried chickens youze niggers are always 'talking 'bout, Willis?'

    Problem is the black cashier didn't understand since she was Haitian and only spoke French.

    How rude!

  • __Warren__||

    If only Hillary had found her voice.

  • ||

    Aside from the family member I have alienated probably forever...

    Recent conversation with a proggie dude:

    Proggie idiot - "That black dude over there..."

    Me - "He's not a black dude."

    Proggie moron - "Whut?"

    Me - "His name is Donald." (A friend. We shoot skeet together)

    This stupid motherfucker is the personification of the idiot progressive who spouts marxist horseshit about equality and social justice yet is a dyed in the wool racist. Do I have to give up my libertarian credentials if I violate the NAP?

  • Hank Phillips||

    Not if the idiot's name is Skeet.

  • Cloudbuster||

    I wouldn't be surprised to find that the child porn industry is 90% a government creation.

  • Agammamon||

    The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites
    The sites are thought to have accounted for roughly half of all child porn websites on the dark web.

    Its darkly humorous that the FBI is responsible for creating roughly half the crimes it 'solves'. You could cut the terrorism and child porn stats in half if you just closed up the feeb-shop.

    People laugh about 'for hire' private fire departments - 'they'll run around setting buildings on fire and then demand to be paid to put them out!'. How is this any different.

  • josh||

    what's that line from the movie 'contact'?

    "first rule of government is why do one something, when you can can do it twice (or 24?) at twice the price...."

  • ||

  • Hank Phillips||

    These mandatory minimums might be worth trying out on the looters and their bureaucrats. If the thing works, there'll be no net loss of gubmint jobs or funding because their incarceration will generate more money for the prison bureaucracy.

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