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France Puts Climate Activists Under House Arrest Before They Can Protest

France's erosion of civil liberties while under a state of emergency continues.

The Guardian reports French police have placed 24 climate change activists underVive Le House Arrest!Dreamstime house arrest in anticipation of the COP21 climate change conference in Paris. 

As part of the extended state of emergency imposed on the country following the terror attacks in Paris on November 13, groups or individuals deemed a "threat to security or public order" can be placed under house arrest. Additionally, French authorities placed a blanket ban on large demonstrations timed to coincide with the long-planned conference. 

The New York Times writes:

Juliette Rousseau, the head of Coalition Climat 21, an umbrella group for environmental activists, said the authorities had searched homes and seized computers and other equipment belonging to activists who have no connection to terrorism.

“There’s clearly an environment to keep activists out,” she said. “The state of emergency is clearly targeting activist movements. This is not justified. These people under house arrest, they don’t have any kind of criminal record.”

She added: “The impression we have is that there is this conference taking place in a sealed-up space, and meanwhile people in civil society are being asphyxiated.”

France24 spoke with one of the activists placed under house arrest, who described the raid on her home:

“They entered the apartment with shotguns and assault rifles. It was quite violent. They pinned us to the ground,” said Amélie, a young barmaid who did not wish to give her full name. “It lasted quite a long time. We had no idea why they were there.”

The officers handed Amélie a restraining order informing her that she can no longer leave Rennes, is required to register three times a day at the local police station, and must stay at home between 8pm and 6am.

Such warnings didn't stop thousands of protesters from turning out yesterday, with 4,500 reportedly forming a human chain near the Place de la Republique. Tear gas was deployed and some protesters turned violent, resulting in 208 arrests. 

NBC News reports:

President Francois Hollande said "everything will be done" to keep violent protesters away from the conference.

Hollande said the violence was "scandalous," because the "disruptive elements" had nothing to do with activism and because it erupted at Place de la Republique, which has become a memorial site for the victims of the Paris attacks.

Paris police chief Michel Cadot told reporters that some demonstrators hurled glass bottles and memorial candles at police.

Some protesters were undeterred by the criticism though, chanting, "a state of emergency is a police state."

Thousands of shoes — including a pair from the pope — were arranged at the Place de la Republique to represent activists who could not participate due to the ban on large gatherings. Organizers said they had collected more than 11,000 pairs of shoes.

French authorities must have known that placing a mere few dozen activists under house arrest would not quell the ambitions of demonstrators eager to make themselves heard in the shadow of a legally binding conference of more than 150 world leaders. To that point, activists have noted other mass gatherings, including sporting events and holiday markets, have been allowed to continue during the state of emergency. 

Heightened security in the wake of ISIS-inspired attacks on mainland Europe will be a concern for years to come, it will not magically go away when the state of emergency expires at the end of three months. But by taking a small number of would-be protesters off the streets, it's possible French authorities are engaging in a kind of security theatre, with heavy-handed shows of force meant to telegraph to the 84 percent of the French population that currently supports trading civil liberties for a sense of security that their government is in control and working to keep them safe. 

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    As part of the extended state of emergency imposed on the country following the terror attacks in Paris on November 13, groups or individuals deemed a "threat to security or public order" can be placed under house arrest. Additionally, French authorities placed a blanket ban on large demonstrations timed to coincide with the long-planned conference.

    And the Friday 13 Truther movement is born.

  • ||

    There already is one, Nicole, but it's about Jason Voorhees. People think he may have been born in Kenya.

  • Ska||

    Kenyan Dutch hockey players are a dime a dozen. And they know how to swing a machete.

  • kinnath||

    So utterly fucking predictable. And yet the so many continue to worship at the alter of top men.

  • Quixote||

    Well, yes, it is indeed predictable that democracies will take all necessary measures to defend themselves when pushed to the brink. And not enough people understand that we have been pushed to the brink in the this country too. Especially with this scourge of internet rabble using "satire" and other forms of micro-aggressive trigger-speech to twist words and stir up controversy that threatens the reputations of respectable, well-connected members of the community. Fortunately, prosecutors in New York have recognized that drastic measures need to be taken to halt such menacing activities; hopefully law enforcement officials around the nation will follow suit. See the documentation of America's leading criminal "satire" case at:

    http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • tarran||

    Oh please!

    There's satire, and there is fraud. Attempting to ruin a man's reputation by sending out communications purporting to be from him is the latter and not the former.

  • Quixote||

    Yes indeed—as the trial judge elegantly put it, the defendant's "criminal intent brought you a parody over the line." The foolish "First Amendment" dissent of a single judge (who, embarrassingly, is the chief judge of the New York Court of Appeals), farcically ignores this fundamental point. And the distinction drawn in the appellate documents between intending to harm a reputation and intending to expose actual misconduct is even beyond ridiculous. Unfortunately, this kind of trigger-speech is becoming more and more prevalent in this country, so we are clearly going to have to expand the effort to stamp it out. See the examples at:

    raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/the-phenomenon-of-

  • Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper||

    Well, if it's climate activists, then I'm OK with them being detained, jailed, whatever

    /TEAM not-my-ox-being-gored

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I know, right? They're jailing the wrong people, people!

  • Sevo||

    "Well, if it's climate activists, then I'm OK with them being detained, jailed, whatever"

    Just wondering if they have enough self-awareness to understand what they propose for others just gob-smacked 'em.

  • Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper||

    heh

    Ima go with, "no, they do not"

  • ||

    No. They'll need to vote out their current statist authoritarians that they voted in and vote in the other statist authoritarians who will get it right next time.

  • Swiss Servator||

    "You today, me tomorrow"

    /Some sort of Law

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Is there a "Not you today, but you'll do it to me tomorrow anyway" corollary?

  • Chip Chipperson||

    No matter how hard I try, I can't be upset about communists being jailed. They could probably line them up against a wall and shoot them and it would merit little more than a shrug from me. Oh well.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    France Puts Climate Activists Under House Arrest Before They Can Protest
    France's erosion of civil liberties while under a state of emergency continues.

    Wait, weren't they protesting for more government action? I guess this wasn't the 'more government action' they were expecting.

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    Is it ever? Useful idiots are useful.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    What's the Iron Lore? People I don't like today, people I never expected tomorrow?

  • Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper||

    people I never expected tomorrow

    NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!

  • TheZeitgeist||

    The super-sensitive French statists don't even get thanks for using carbon-neutral water-cannons and biodegradable crowd-dispersal irritants. The nerve of the little people to complain!

  • ||

    Look, man, we all have to make sacrifices for the planet, amirite? So...you first.

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    The climate protesters want a totalitarian police state. So they should be happy about this development, right?

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    Samuel L. Jackson plays an arch-villain in Kingsman. His goal is to cull the human population by 90% because climate change. He's a very believable character.

    This movie ends on a whimsical positive note when a scandinavian princess promises the hero butt sex is he manages to save the world. Very romantic.

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    Butt sex always brings a tear to my eye...

  • Crusty Juggler||

    It always brings some form of leakage to my eye, too.

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

  • Whahappan?||

    I just saw that the other night. You're right, he's very believable, at least to us. I bet most people who saw it had no idea a substantial minority of "environmentalists" would be perfectly fine with his plan and thought he was a totally over the top caricature.

  • Aresen||

    How do you say schadenfreude in French?

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    #PARISSTRONG?

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    The officers handed Amélie a restraining order informing her that she can no longer leave Rennes, is required to register three times a day at the local police station, and must stay at home between 8pm and 6am.

    The irony is derptastic.

  • Rhywun||

    "What do we want?"
    "What the climate change conference attendees are proposing!"
    "When do we want it?"
    "When they're done!"

  • Drake||

    "Where will we wait?
    "In jail!"

  • Zeb||

    So, why do they want to protest this meeting? Isn't the meeting about doing the things that they want done?

    I think they just enjoy protesting more than anything.

  • kinnath||

    They want it faster and harder.

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    This

  • Loki||

    They're the George Lucas of political activists: "Faster, more intense."

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    I think they're protesting for the governments to DO MOAR. Yet when they get their heads busted by big government, they seem perplexed and then ask for MOAR of the same. Simple explanation, they're fucking stupid.

  • Drake||

    Really is like a pro-abortion group protesting Planned Parenthood for not killing enough fetuses.

  • Zeb||

    Heh, yeah.

    Which is why I think that the main motivation is the social event and opportunity for social signalling that protests provide. It's like going on Grateful Dead tour, but you can pretend you are doing something serious.

  • MSimon||

    Grateful Dead tours ARE serious. In a fun kind of way.

  • Zeb||

    Some of my best friends are Dead Heads (or recovering Dead Heads). I almost went to their last concert with Jerry Garcia.

  • ||

    Isn't the meeting about doing the things that they want done?

    Not for the Indian or Chinese delegations it isn't.

  • ||

    I think Putin has pretty much said fuck you to the warming cult as well.

  • Zeb||

    And I'm sure they give a shit what some Western hippies think.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    It's the same as the Fed Up protests.

    More, bigger, harder, uncut.

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    cut the power to the house while they are under house arrest

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    Just bulldoze the house and then make them live in a field.

  • Sevo||

    They can gambol!

  • Swiss Servator||

    And Pale Indigenous American can teach them how to live the free life!

  • commodious spittoon||

    Just so long as the pot doesn't exceed $10.

  • MSimon||

    Some times the price is sixty-five dollars.

  • Swiss Servator||

    So when the Frog speech cops are really needed: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/wo.....it-n471256 they are nowhere to be found!

  • Rhywun||

    What a fucking narcissist.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Especially this bit:
    "I've come here personally, as the leader of the world's largest economy"

    wut

    Is that really how he sees himself? He leads the economy?

  • ||

    He's been leading it to destruction for the last 7 years, so there's that.

    *lights sycophant buttlicker signal*

  • ||

    he needs to wrap that shit up G

  • pan fried wylie||

    B. wrap it up B

  • ||

    "One of the enemies that we'll be fighting at this conference is cynicism, the notion we can't do anything about climate change"

    No, you dumb shit, the notion is that we don't NEED to do anything about it.

  • Zeb||

    No, I think that the notion that we can't or won't is important too. I'm agnostic about how much of a problem climate change might actually be for people. But I'm pretty sure that most proposed solutions are either impractical or won't be effective.

    And why is he so down on cynicism? Sometimes you just need to accept that people are going to do what they are going to do and move on.

  • ||

    He's down on cynicism of anything that he believes in. He's all for cynicism against what his foes believe in. Typical leftist.

  • Loki||

    Sometimes you just need to accept that people are going to do what they are going to do and move on.

    That would run counter to his entire worldview: that TOP.MEN. are able to shape and mold mankind into something "better", whether they like it or not.

  • Jerry on the rocks||

    You know who else wanted to do something about change?

  • B.P.||

    Citizens for Retiring the Penny?

  • tarran||

    The French Government messes with the COP script at their peril. You can't have a COP on climate without a circus...

    Seriously, click my link... it's a hoot. Brutal and funny.

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    That's pretty good.

  • Rhywun||

    Wow, I hadn't realized they go through this circus every year. What a waste of resources.

  • ||

    Hey! These are important people doing important things! How dare you not notice, peasant!

  • tarran||

    Wow, I hadn't realized they go through this circus every year.

    And check out the place names! :)

    2007: COP 13/CMP 3, Bali, Indonesia
    2008: COP 14/CMP 4, Poznań, Poland
    2009: COP 15/CMP 5, Copenhagen, Denmark
    2010: COP 16/CMP 6, Cancún, Mexico
    2011: COP 17/CMP 7, Durban, South Africa
    2012: COP 18/CMP 8, Doha, Qatar
    2013: COP 19/CMP 9, Warsaw, Poland
    2014: COP 20/CMP 10, Lima, Peru
    2015: COP 21/CMP 11, Paris, France

    Next year's conference is supposed to be in Morocco.
    2016: COP 22/CMP 12, Marrakech, Morocco

  • Loki||

    You almost have to wonder if the people organizing these conferences know it's all bullshit and just want to use it as their own personal travel agency. Next thing you know they'll be holding one on Whore Island.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Cancun. Well, that's more of a peninsula.

  • Loki||

    Already done, in 2010. They're probably just visiting various fleshpots of the world. I wonder if there's a noticeable spike in the STD rate in these places when these conferences come to town?

  • Swiss Servator||

    “What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?” “…My health, I came to Casablanca for the waters.” “The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.” “...I was misinformed.”

  • The Last American Hero||

    Where's the love for Beijing? I hear the air quality is lovely.

  • Zeb||

    So the conference ends with each attendee being given a hit of acid?

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Haha, that's great. I do love that the purpose of every meeting seems to be sketching out a program for future negotiation.

  • pan fried wylie||

    i propose forming a committee to consider the enacting of a plan to discuss possible .....

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    They didn't place them under house arrest as much as severely limited their carbon expenditure!

  • Hyperbolical (wadair)||

    ...it's possible French authorities are engaging in a kind of security theatre, with heavy-handed shows of force meant to telegraph to the 84 percent of the French population that currently supports trading civil liberties for a sense of security that their government is in control and working to keep them safe.

    Ima gonna go with this explanation. Of course there's a serendipitous result here too, in that the baddest protesters can be kept off the street for their own safety.

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    Has their ever been a time in history that the French wouldn't surrender their freedom for just about anything? I mean, that's why they gave us the statue of liberty, it was a constant reminder to them of what they are afraid to fight for.

  • Hyperbolical (wadair)||

    You're right. Just in the past couple hundred years we have surrender to the Jacobins, Napoleon, Vichy France, de Gaulle, various crony groups. What have I missed?

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    Nazi Germany? The socialists?

  • Hyperbolical (wadair)||

    So the Nazi's go before Vichy? Are the socialists after de Gaulle? But then again, what has really changed other than the name of the Top Men? From Roumanian proto-fascist, to fascist, to socialist fascist, ..., not much has changed.

  • Hyperbolical (wadair)||

    s/Roumanian/Rousseauian/

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    You know who else the French surrendered to?

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    I anticipated your post 1 minute before you posted it.

  • Robert||

    Catherine DeNeuve?

  • kinnath||

    The French police put the protesters under house arrest because they could. Why ask for tools for Christmas if you're not going to use them.

  • some guy||

    That loud scratching sound you hear is political interns and support staff furiously taking notes.

  • SusanM||

    OT: I just...I...ehh...

    http://tinyurl.com/p7fzxqa

    Speaking to reporters after a stop here Sunday afternoon, Cruz rejected a potential connection between anti-abortion activism and the shooting, instead taking issue with "some vicious rhetoric on the left blaming those who are pro-life.” The shooting, which happened Friday in Colorado Springs, left a police officer and two civilians dead, and a suspect, Robert Dear, has been taken into custody.

    "The media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement when at this point there’s very little evidence to indicate that," Cruz said.

    When a reporter reminded Cruz it has been reported Dear made a comment about "baby parts" while being apprehended, Cruz retorted, "It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. If that’s what he is, I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”
  • SugarFree||

    Did Cruz have a stroke during that last part?

  • GILMORE™||

    "It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist"

    You mean this?

    Apparently it was noted a few days ago that Robert Dear's voter registration was as a female. How you get from there to the 'transgendered leftist' seems an exercise in hyperbole.

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    That guy had a lot of facial hair for a female.

  • Loki||

    Bearded ladies can register to vote too...

  • SugarFree||

    I hadn't heard about the registration. Interesting.

    (Total news blackout over Thanksgiving. Bliss.)

  • JeremyR||

    "How you get from there to the 'transgendered leftist' seems an exercise in hyperbole."

    Wasn't that exactly his point?

  • GILMORE™||

    uh, yes. That's basically what i was saying.

    i.e. that Cruz cited a few 'reported facts' and then made a blustery claim that calling the shooter a Transgender Activist makes about as sense as calling him an Anti-Abortion protester sans any more evidence than some alleged comment about 'baby parts'.

  • Illocust||

    Sounds like a reasonable point. The guys a crazy. He doesn't say anything about a wider movement than the black reporter says about SJWs.

  • Ska||

    How can you not think of the picture with a protester getting maced?

    Wants more government More government

  • Ska||

    There are supposed to be some sweet diagrams with greater than, less than and equals signs depicted in said meme.

  • Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper||

    OT: You know who else compared opponents to Hitler ? No, wait....

  • Zeb||

    Everyone?

    Hitler?

  • Drake||

    Eva Braun?

  • Bern-o-Matic 5000||

    Paul von Hindenburg?

  • GILMORE™||

    "“There’s clearly an environment to keep activists out,” she said"

    Au Contraire = Its to allow the Official Activists to do their business without being disturbed by proles.

    These independent rabble-rousers are only useful when the Top Men aren't available for speech-making. Letting them run free during PR-moments like this conference would only serve to distract the media from their grandstanding.

    "She added: “The impression we have is that there is this conference taking place in a sealed-up space, and meanwhile people in civil society are being asphyxiated.”"

    Silly activist = aren't all your demands ultimately asking for "more control" by the Government... putting restrictions on the economy and by extension... all human behavior? Haven't you and your peers demanded that any Dissent from Official Dogma, and any 'disapproved speech' be treated as a crime?

    What exactly about this situation isn't the obvious consequence of everything that activists have so far demanded?

  • SugarFree||

    This a shame. I love it when activists protest people that already agree with them. It makes seeing them through garbage cans through store windows extra derpy.

  • Zeb||

    As I say above, I suspect that the protesting is the main thing. The cause is mainly an excuse.

  • Loki||

    it's possible French authorities are engaging in a kind of security theatre, with heavy-handed shows of force meant to telegraph to the 84 percent of the French population that currently supports trading civil liberties for a sense of security that their government is in control and working to keep them safe.

    When in doubt, always assume security theater. Although I suppose it's possible the politicians and bureaucrats are actually stupid to believe their own bullshit.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    The number of blinky-lights associated with Security Theater props are good metric for totality of Security Theater mindset. My father once made that observation - the more paramilitary/Security Theater the statists get, the more Vegas-like their vehicle lightshows become. It's like they're trying harder to convince themselves.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Pants shitters gonna fill their britchez!

    French pants shitters gonna fill their britchez and then surrender.

  • tarran||

    I'll take clumsy propaganda for $2.50, Alex:

    Meet the 15-year-old kid who's suing Obama over climate change

    Xiuhtezcatl Tonatiuh became a climate change activist at age 6 when he saw an environmental documentary. He asked his mom to find a way for him to speak at a rally.

    Now 15, the long-haired, hip-hop-savvy Coloradan is one of 21 young activists joining climate scientist James Hansen in suing the Obama administration for failing to ditch fossil fuels.

    "It's basically a bunch of kids saying you're not doing your job," he told me here at the U.N. COP21 climate change summit in Paris.

    "You're failing, you know. F-minus. We're holding you accountable for your lack of action."

    I wonder if, in his heart of hearts, John Sutter recognizes how utterly worthless his life is. My guess is that he doesn't. My guess is that he is so delusional that he actually thinks the things he does do contribute to the betterment of society.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    As a fifteen year old kid, nothing would be more validating for my teen-angst derp-shit than free tix to Paris for a couple weeks as a reward. What an easy little bribe for an easy little mind.

  • Loki||

    I think we've found a future head of the EPA...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    He has roughly the same qualifications as James Hansen.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Didn't a 13-year-old just lose a similar lawsuit last week?

  • GILMORE™||

    See below. It seems the point is to file lots of these headline-generating suits, lose, and then tout their cause.

    Its "Event Creation" that gives willing journos like Sutter something to cite in their 'reporting'

  • Bern-o-Matic 5000||

    I hope the judges start sanctioning these children for bringing frivolous suits. And the derpy propagandists for manipulating these minors.

  • GILMORE™||

    Wait, what?

    Is there like a budding industry for young-teenagers to sue govt.... because something something "Climate Science"?

    Someone pointed to this 13yr old's lawsuit in North Carolina earlier today...

    Are they all part of this "Children's Crusade"?

    "Our Children's Trust, a climate change non-profit, is helping teens across the country fight their states for lower emissions. "

    Ah. There's nothing quite so classy as using children as mindless political footsoldiers. Using kids as human shields is a sign you've got a bulletproof case.

    *also = that John D Sutter character is CNN's Social Justice Correspondent-in-Chief. He's one of the slimest of the slimy people in today's media, and that's really saying something. He mildly waters-down-alternet and wraps it in a layer of Smug.

  • tarran||

    Are they all part of this "Children's Crusade"?

    "Our Children's Trust, a climate change non-profit, is helping teens across the country fight their states for lower emissions. "

    Yep. That 15 year old kid ain't doing shit. He's just a meat-puppet for these guys:

    WITNESS, Earth Guardians, Global Kids, iMatter, Kids vs. Global Warming, Climate Reality Project, Ride for Renewables, Western Environmental Law Center, Crag Law Center, Texas Environmental Law Center, Cottonwood Environmental Law Center, WildEarth Guardians, Clean Air Council, Global Campaign for Climate Action, Fish Tank, Montana State University, Chasing Ice, Environmental Law Alliance Worldwide, TERRA, Sierra Club, Public Citizen, Extreme Ice Survey, 350.org, Texas Environmental Law Center, Texas League of Conservation Voters, Sustainable Energy and Economic Development Coalition, Texas Campaign for the Environment, Texas Drought Project, Air Alliance, Planet HEAL, Texas Black Bass Unlimited, Willamette Farm and Food Coalition, Northwest Center for Alternatives to Pesticides, Center for Food Safety, Eugene Local Foods, Kid Food Matters, Climate Solutions, Native American Student Union, Alaska Inter Tribal Council, Partners for Sustainable Schools, Tck Tck Tck, Environment-People-Law, Greenwatch, IDAMHO, and Center for International Environmental Law
  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    "iMatter"

    Uh, I hate to break it to you, but...

  • Hyperbolical (wadair)||

    Let's just "ditch" fossil fuels. Wouldn't that be dandy?

    I can understand young kids of fifteen thinking this is simply a matter of switch flipping. But for the adult sponsors to believe and encourage the kids to believe that an advanced nation of 350 millions could do away with fossil fuels so easily is just asinine.

  • GILMORE™||

    LOOK HE"S CALLING KIDS BAD NAMES!!! UGH HORRIBLE RIGHT WING CHILDREN HATER!!! OMG TWEET THIS TO THE PLANET

  • The Last American Hero||

    The kid is obviously a vicious racist, otherwise he would not dare to question the motives of the Lightworker.

  • Rhywun||

    Xiuhtezcatl Tonatiuh became a climate change activist at age 6

    Oh FFS.

    Yet when the right uses their kids as props, the left goes apeshit.

  • Swiss Servator||

    suing the Obama administration for failing to ditch fossil fuels

    So He is to issue a Royal Edict - "Henceforth... fossil fuels are banned!"?

  • Rhywun||

    He needs to do a commercial, with a single tear spilling from his eye.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "France's erosion of civil liberties while under a state of emergency continues."

    It might have been better if Bush the Lesser had officially suspended civil liberties under a state of emergency declaration--better for two reasons:

    1) State of emergencies have a beginning and an end. Alternatively, the George W. Bush administration tried to create a state of emergency forever--this is the way it's going to be from now on. Obama helped by perpetuating those changes indefinitely without declaring a state of emergency.

    2) With a state of emergency, there's a clear difference between what's being done under the state of emergency and what is normal--instead of a blurring of the two. I'd rather live under a state of emergency with differences from normal than have a state of emergency be the new normal.

    I guess the other thing is that declaring a state of emergency creates inertia to change one thing. We have so many laws, court decisions, and new precedents to overturn before we can get back to the way things were before 9/11 that we will probably never get back to the way things were before 9/11. Wouldn't it be better if all those justifications had been predicated on a state of emergency declaration, and all we had to do is overturn that one declaration and everything that was justified by it was no longer legally justifiable? Sounds much better to me than future administrations citing War on Terror cases decades from now.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Meh. State-of-emergency can go on forever with a label or not.

    Think Egypt was in a state-of-emergency for thirty years under Mubarak. After a street-coup, an election, then a military coup...it's back to state-of-emergency. Imagine it is safe to say 'state of emergency' is just state of things in Egypt at this point.

    Our version of this just has different name - 'Patriot Act.' Fruit Loops or Trix? Same shit, different shape.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "State-of-emergency can go on forever with a label or not."

    It's always a danger that governments will seek to perpetuate them indefinitely.

    The good things about state of emergencies is that they can be easily ended.

    Precedent without a state of emergency doesn't end. It just sits there forever.

  • ||

    Eh, I don't know that it makes much difference. The US has been under multiple declared states of emergency for something like the last 30 years. Pretty much every single declaration just gets renewed as needed, and by and large nobody even seems to care.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If Hollande wants to extend the state of emergency for another three months, he'll pay a political price for doing it.

    Meanwhile, if he doesn't extend the state of emergency, what he's doing now won't be justified in precedent four months from now.

    Just because we've been letting them get away with it in the past doesn't mean we should. I wouldn't argue that declarations of war are unnecessary just because they've been getting away with that for years either.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Heightened security in the wake of ISIS-inspired attacks on mainland Europe will be a concern for years to come, it will not magically go away when the state of emergency expires at the end of three months."

    If only the AUMF had expired in three years.

    Hell, at this point, I'd settle for 30 years.

    Everything from our war in Libya and the assassination of American citizens without a trial to the NSA surveillance program has been predicated on the AUMF.

    I wish the Bush and Obama administrations' wars on our civil liberties were only as bad as France's current state of emergency is on the civil liberties of the French.

  • The Last American Hero||

    Similar to global warming, there is almost nothing the AUMF cannot do.

  • MSimon||

    Are you sure it wasn't the AUMF for the Barbary War? Did it ever expire?

    St. Jefferson used that to wreak havoc on innocent Muslims.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Juliette Rousseau, the head of Coalition Climat 21, an umbrella group for environmental activists, said the authorities had searched homes and seized computers and other equipment belonging to activists who have no connection to terrorism.

    “There’s clearly an environment to keep activists out,” she said. “The state of emergency is clearly targeting activist movements. This is not justified. These people under house arrest, they don’t have any kind of criminal record.”

    Just because the New York Times prints a quote doesn't make it so.

    France has had plenty of violent protests by environmental groups, and it's reasonable to suspect that if the French government is going to raid anybody, they'd raid those they've identified as being violent in the past.

    Actually, given the New York Times' bias as exposed by the recent nail salon series, I wouldn't trust the New York Times on anything they might see as central to one of their pet causes--and environmental activism is certainly one of those.

  • GILMORE™||

    Climate is at "Breaking Point", Says Obama

    Whatever the fuck that means.

    The article includes this assertion =

    "Most scientists say failure to agree on strong measures in Paris would doom the world to ever-hotter average temperatures, deadlier storms, more frequent droughts and rising sea levels as polar ice caps melt."

    WTF?

    since when were 'most scientists' ever polled about *anything*?... much less specific thoughts about "this particular conference", with the additional assertion that, sans some vague "DO SOMETHING-ISM" agreement, the planet is due to suffer 'wrath of god' effects like storms, draughts, etc.

    I thought at the very least journos were quick to caveat that - while AGW is like totes deadly in the long-term - 'day to day, year to year weather-events have no clear connection to AGW specifically and there's no known mechanism connecting X events to any short term temperature effects of the last 20+ years...''

    instead Reuters seems to have abandoned even that kind of token gesture to actual 'science'... and gone full-bore Cataclysmic Malthusian in their style-guide.

  • Bern-o-Matic 5000||

    Aren't emissions, generally, and CO2 emissions, specifically, at something like a three-decade low in the U.S. right now? And, as I understand, such reductions are the result of advances in technology in areas like natural gas and coal that the Obama administration has been fighting against since 2009.

  • tarran||

    Basically, the derp is in a positive feedback loop.

    Climate change really doesn't affect people in the now. It is entirely a long term thing that will happen in some indefinite future.

    So, the vulgar masses worry about it more when there are fewer immediate things for them to worry about. But, when they are having trouble making ends meet; when they are having trouble finding work; when getting braces for their daughter is more expensive as a percentage of their income than it was for their parents; when they are shitting themselves figuring out how they wil pay for junior to go to college; quite rationally, climate change drops to the back burner of the things they fear.

    The true believers want to get these vulgar masses to support their Lysenkloist cult, and in the absence of things actually getting worse, resort to ever more hysterical and scary predictions in a bid to scare people more, so that they care about climate change more.

    And the vulgar masses react in one of three ways: 1) by losing heart (there's nothing we can do, so let's just worry about the now), 2) by tuning them out (these people scare me, I have more pressing needs, I shall ignore them in hopes they go away), or 3) by buying into the fear.

    Group 1 and 2 vastly dwarfs group 3. So, when polls are taken, the public concern for climate change drops even more. This causes the true believers to resort to even more desperate and scary propaganda, which causes people to ignore them even more!!!

  • tarran||

    Not to mention that the economic policies western governments are putting into place to please the cult are raising prices and reducing employment; thus increasing the population which is struggling with short term economic concerns.

    And, because they can't walk back their scary claims ("we aren't all going to die, but you should shut down your business nonetheless" just doesn't work), they have no choice but to keep ratcheting their hysteria up.

    If they didn't have so much blood on their hands, I'd pity the cultists.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Term of the day: "Overton Window".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

    We've totally lost that battle when Obama feels like he can advocate things that should be and are extremist.

    We should be asking questions like, "How much will we need to sacrifice in GDP per capita before our sacrifices have any impact whatsoever on temperatures, deadly storms, droughts, rising sea levels, and melting polar ice? Oh, and how long will we need to make those sacrifices before we have any impact?".

    The answers to those questions would reveal the extent of Obama's extremism, but he never has to answer those questions because the only questions that are asked in the public discourse are about whether the problem itself is real. Those questions don't open the Overton Window wide enough to include sensible criticism of Obama's extremism--and that makes Obama's extremism seem sensible and sensible criticism seem extreme.

  • lafe.long||

    They pinned us to the ground,” said Amélie, a young barmaid

    go on...

  • MSimon||

    If it had been serious:

    "They nailed us to the ground......"

  • Lord at War||

    It's those propaganda videos inciting the kids

    I'd love to do a video with that little 15 yr old moron.

    "Dude, you have already flown 6 times the nimber of miles as I have in my life. I'm 51. Are you going to swim home?"

    "Hey, shithead... We got down to 36F in Ohio last night. When I woke up, my thermostat read 57 degrees. What was the temp in your hotel room last night?"

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