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Watch This School Cop Brutally Attack a Girl for Refusing to Leave Her Desk

Police vs. girl at Spring Valley High School.

SROWISTVA school resource officer at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, South Carolina, tackled a girl who was sitting in her desk, dragged her across the room, pinned her, and arrested her, according to video footage of the incident.

WISTV reported that the girl refused an order to leave class:

According to Sheriff Leon Lott, the school resource officer was acting in response to a student who was refusing to leave class. 

"The student was told she was under arrest for disturbing school and given instructions which she again refused," Lott said. "The video then shows the student resisting and being arrested by the SRO."

The video shows the officer approaching the girl sitting at a desk in a classroom. The officer grabs the girl's arm while putting his own arm around the student's neck.

I suggest watching the two videos. It may be true that the girl was in trouble, and she certainly disobeyed a police command. But it’s impossible to justify the act of violence that followed her refusal to move; the officer knocked her backward out of her desk and dragged her across the floor. To say she could have been seriously injured in the struggle is an understatement.

The officer can also be heard threatening to arrest students for complaining about the girl’s treatment. “I’ll put you in jail next,” he said in response to a student who quite reasonably exclaimed, “what the fuck?”

According to activist Shaun King’s Twitter feed, the SRO has a history of violence toward the students, who are all terrified of him.

School and police officials are investigating the incident. Parents and students are outraged. They should be. Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.

Photo Credit: WISTV

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  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Prison. That's where this pig needs to be.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Uh well he's already in a public school every day soooooooo...

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I'd hardly call the guard "in prison".

  • buybuydandavis||

    He's a prison guard.

  • Free Society||

    God damn it. I log in to say exactly that. You win again, Akston. *spits*

  • See Double You||

    Why aren't you auto-logged in, you loser?

  • In League with the Dark Ones||

    Free Society must have a second account...

  • Princess Trigger||

    I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lsJmwNO40

  • AlmightyJB||

    So there is at least one scene in that movie that won't bore you to sleep? I couldn't get that far.

  • Cytotoxic||

    If you find that movie to be so boring then you have ADD or something.

  • AlmightyJB||

    You have to make something interesting happen in the first 30 minutes or you've lost me.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I can't get through Rosemary's Baby after several attempts either although I'm assured it's a scary movie.

  • Harold Falcon||

    Ugh, you're pathetic.

  • Cytotoxic||

    The Vietnam bit wasn't interesting? Ugh.

  • Rhywun||

    You must hate Hitchcock.

  • Rhywun||

    You must hate Hitchcock.

    Ugh, that was for JB.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Actually I love Hitchcock. He was a master at building suspense.

  • Rhywun||

    I love him too but I do find it noticeable that his movies build slowly.

  • Gray Ghost||

    There's a bunch of unintentional comedy in the movie, much of it caused by Malin Akerman trying to 'act', but the scene where Dr. Manhattan reappears to his wife is one of the best.

    Keep in mind, Jon (Dr. Manhattan) is graunched in what appears to be a terminal lab accident, and then some, a few weeks ago. His wife is sitting there, eating dinner in the lab cafeteria, when in a cloud of blue lightning and wind, this Adonis-like glowing blow figure with a gigantic cock appears, levitating, and she recognizes him?!

    Hilarious.

  • Gray Ghost||

    "[G]lowing 'blue' figure," but go ahead, page Dr. Freud anyway.

    Jon!

  • Robert||

    Forget it. In my classroom, he's dead within secs., as brutally as feasible. All of us vs. him, no contest. And his head on a pike outside the room.

  • SimonJester||

    Next time you get a speeding ticket I expect it to make news. Don't talk big, bobby, you'll bend over your hood as quickly as anyone else with a "No officer, it doesn't hurt yet, push a little harder."

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Just adults working things out between each other...

    This hardly shows a pattern.

  • wef||

    What can you expect, drawing the thuggish authority enforcers and thuggish authority challengers from the same thug class?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.

    To be fair, wasn't the student being compelled to not attend public schooling?

    Boom, I am here all ze veek.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    “I’ll put you in jail next,” he said in response to a student who quite reasonably exclaimed, “what the fuck?”

    It would be interesting to see him follow through on that threat. I can't imagine the grounds. But, hey, you put a cop in a school where the only subjects he can brutalize are children and that's who's going to get brutalized. What do you expect?

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    Why would he need grounds? The process is the punishment. He makes up a contempt of cop charge like disorderly conduct, kid thrown in jail overnight, maybe released the next day, name gets out to the media. All that can happen without grounds.

  • Free Society||

    There should be a cop in every school, so every kid gets an education in statism, sort of like they get now, but without all the euphemisms and white-washing.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Great idea the kids will be even more conformist and broken into authority.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Too late.

  • Lucas199||

    our small midwest town (Tioga ND pop ~2000) just got a "Resource" officer for the schools. (not just the high school, she patrols the elementary too.) don't cost nothing though, 'cus we got her on a federal grant. anyway, the local paper just did a feature, here's the money quote:

    "The job of an SRO takes on a few other dimensions than those of a normal patrol officer. The hope is to instill a beneficial perception of law enforcement in the town's youth, which they will take with them as they grow up.

    ""Our main goal is to build a positive relationship between law enforcement and the youth in the community," Lopez said."

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Interfering. It's like you've never done this before, Fist. Welcome to Hit & Run!

  • AlmightyJB||

    I hope there are no blind kids with walking dogs at that school. That would get expensive

  • buybuydandavis||

    " I can't imagine the grounds."

    BFYTW.

    Get with the program.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Phew! For a second there I thought that 100 pound girl was going to take that cop down!

  • Crusty Juggler||

    That girl could have been carrying a weapon, or could have used anything nearby, like a pencil, or even her own body, such as her teeth or nails, as a weapon and harmed this officer who was just doing his job. She did not obey him, and he did what had to be done.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Thank god she didn't have any assault baby carrots.

  • SimonJester||

    You know, I read that article about the carrots, but I assumed that it was a dick joke from the girl to the (male) teacher. Did nobody else think this?

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    She should just be thankful that the Sheriff didn't call out the Peacemaker to deal with her.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Those guns are only metaphorically pointed at you.

  • ||

    Think for a minute about what kind of person ends up in the position of school cop, and then see if this incident surprises you at all after that.

    What is the incentive structure? Let's see: you get to bully and terrorize schoolchildren all day with total impunity, and even beat the crap out of them if they give you an "excuse". I wonder who would want that job?

  • Hugh Akston||

    School Resource Officer is a rubber room position for cops who can't hack it beating the shit out of grown-ups on the street.

  • ||

    So a *particularly* cowardly bully?

  • Hugh Akston||

    Exactly. Someone for whom the various weapons, backup, and absolute immunity from consequences for brutalizing/murdering adults on the street isn't enough. They need the additional edge of terrorizing children who are already in custody.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I bet the tax payers aren't going to get off that easily.

  • ||

    It's like a dream job!

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I don't know how this SRO could be a cowardly bully when he is in a locked environment and surrounded by the enemy 180 days a year.

  • R C Dean||

    True facts:

    A good friend of mine had a daughter who was actually, no kidding raped on school grounds.

    The school always had a couple of cop cars parked out front, at least when parents were around dropping off/picking up kids.

    The cops never walked the grounds. They were in front purely to look like they were "Keeping the Churlens Safe (tm)".

    Even when told that one of the students had been raped on the grounds, they conducted the most cursory investigation. During their questioning of the "suspect" (we knew exactly who he was, because he was a student there), some how the suspect's family got the idea that if he left town to live with relatives, nobody was going to follow up on anything.

    So he did.

    My friend, who knew me fairly well, refused to give me any names.

  • In League with the Dark Ones||

    He's going to do it again…

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I know this has bad optics, but I blame the parents. This girl was not raised properly, and that is why she does not respect her teachers, fellow students, and more importantly the police officer. A high school-aged student has no reason to act this way. Now I am not saying that his girl belongs in prison, but she should spend a few days in jail to learn her lesson. This officer has a hard enough job, and he does not need students like this to make his life more difficult.

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    Having no respect for public school teachers and a school resource officer is a plus, not a minus.

    And this isn't about that anyways, it's about a dickless bully of an officer getting off on brutalizing a girl half his size.

  • ||

    The crusty one is joking. He's aping and mocking the copsuckers that will say shit like this.

  • Christophe||

    If feel compelled to point out the above is sarcasm, for the sake of newcomers.

  • Hugh Akston||

    What a clever impersonation of a stupid craven badge-licker.

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    Poe's Law has killed me. Except for Tulpa's innumerable sockpuppets, I can't tell what's real and what's fake any longer.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Man, tell me about it. I mean, Epi's absolute commitment to his narcissistic retard character blurs the line between performance and reality.

  • ||

    Thanks, Hugh. As a narcissistic retard method actor, that's what I'm going for. I can't tell where I start and where me begins!

  • Hugh Akston||

    Be careful though, Epi, you don't want to get too deep into that.

  • ||

    "Acting is revealing, expression. When we release pain, we become visible to each other and that is an actor's job. That and, you know, pretending to be other people."

  • Crusty Juggler||

    For you newcomers, this banter between Hugh and Epi is what we call "flirting." Soon, they will start their own form of sexting, called "pexting," where they spend hours sending each other dick pics they have accumulated over the years.

  • ||

    It's a beautiful, complicated dance, Crusty. You wouldn't understand!

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I keep hoping those two kids finally get together.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Get a room people. No one wants to see your dirty dance moves.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I am just jealous, I guess. Paul, if you are ever sad, lonely, desperate, and in need of a pexting companion, maybe we can work something out. Sure, my collection is not anything like theirs, (especially Epi's stockpile of inuit tackle, which I have heard is impressive), but I would love sharing my pen-agerie with someone like you sometime.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Do you get the dress-up pics? Like, the one with top hats and whatnot?


    /asking for an enemy

  • AlmightyJB||

    I wish I had an American Horror to watch to cleanse this creepiness from my brain.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Eh, just pour some Listerine in your ear and swish it around your brain for about a minute.

    You'll be gtg.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Oddly enough, I have an entire Rich Uncle Pennybags/Mr. Peanut collection (yes, I am that into libertarianism).

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Are they from the Dicks for Prosperity portfolio?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    As though I would ever title my work in such a crass way.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Ahem...

    Are they from the Dicks Penises for Prosperity portfolio?
  • Crusty Juggler||

    Pénis qui ressemblent à des hommes riches collection.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    There's that frog talk we talked about....

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Hey, show some class.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Hey! I thought you wanted dick shown, not this "class" you mention!

    Why I'm doing this all for an enemy, I haven't figured out.

  • ||

    Sure, ruin it for everyone, just like "Moonlighting".

  • Agammamon||

    Unfortunately they're dick pics they've stolen form other people's accounts. Its exciting to *them*, humiliating to Wiener.

  • SimonJester||

    Forgive my ignorance, but who is Epi's character? I'm lost.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    "Poe's Law has killed me."

    Yeah. I think the safest course of action, which I am going to adopt from now on, is to assume that everything is sarcasm.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    "Yeah. I think the safest course of action, which I am going to adopt from now on, is to assume that everything is sarcasm."

    In other words, I didn't mean that at all.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    "In other words, I didn't mean that at all."

    Or didn't I? Remember, everything is sarcasm, including this sentence.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Halloween Jizz Shaw cop fellating costume.

  • ||

    You're good at this.

    Too good.

    /narrows gaze.

  • See Double You||

    THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "This girl was not raised properly, and that is why she does not respect "

    You WILL Respect My AUTHORITAH!

  • Ed Kline||

    Fuck off troll.

  • Free Society||

    How nice it must be for teachers, to have armed goons on hand to mete out violence and kidnap children who won't listen. Makes for a great learning environment too. The government really is the institution best suited to educate children. No doubt about that.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Whiplash.

  • ||

    Bender: I think I got whiplash!

    Leela: You can't have whiplash, you don't even have a neck.

    Bender: I meant ass whiplash!

  • Winston||

    Are you rushing or dragging?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    It may be true that the girl was in trouble, and she certainly disobeyed a police command

    And yet, the fact that Robby felt it necessary to preface his argument against the manhandling of peaceable people with this as if there exists even a Planck mass amount of merit to Law and Order-type arguments that there may be any mitigating factors that would justify a police officer throwing a teenaged girl like a sack of potatoes will generate less outrage among the commentariat than you-know-what.

  • GILMORE™||

    are you saying this is the same as Robby's typical "First denounce content of speech before passively 'defending' it.... in theory....'?

    I would offer that maybe there's a difference between 'offensive ideas', and throwing people around for not following orders?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I would offer that maybe there's a difference between 'offensive ideas', and throwing people around for not following orders?

    Absolutely, and people should be more outraged at even a milquetoast acknowledgement of Law 'n Order apologia, no?.

  • GILMORE™||

    "people should be more outraged at even a milquetoast acknowledgement of Law 'n Order apologia"

    (shrug)

    I don't think people are "outraged" by Robby's Okay/Not-Okay pandering so much as bored and exasperated by it. It was cute last spring. Now its painful-groan inducing.

    I think people are rightfully outraged by this kind of Prison Cop behavior in schools;

    if there's any necessary caveat to add to it, its that we can never know the full context in these "see short viral video and freak out!!"-pieces of news. We don't know what led up to it and what other details might better explain (if not justify) what happened.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I think people are rightfully outraged by this kind of Prison Cop behavior in schools;

    *looks downthread*

    Really?

    We don't know what led up to it and what other details might better explain (if not justify) what happened.

    Again, from the video evidence we have, what mitigating factors that would have occurred before that would have justified what happened. Even if she were swinging at him before the start of the video, in the minute or so before he manhandles her that was recorded, she was passively non-compliant. The fact is that short of her drawing a knife on him, there are no other details that might better explain or justify what happened. Sometimes a video of a cop throwing a woman half his size across the room unprovoked is just a video of a cop throwing a woman half his size across the room unprovoked. Pandering to broken windows authoritarians is just as bad, if not worse, as pandering to the tumblr crowd.

    Seems Robby just can't catch a break.

  • GILMORE™||

    I wasn't speaking in the context of this video - i was just saying as for his "preamble" remarks, they probably deserve to go in front of 'video stories' where you don't know anything other than the act witnessed.

  • GILMORE™||

    " I think people are rightfully outraged by this kind of Prison Cop behavior in schools;

    *looks downthread*

    Really?"

    I think i said that before there was any "downthread".

    My personal view on the matter is that kids shouldn't be touched by employees of the state = if she's non-compliant, ignore her until the end of class and then have her kicked out of school. Schools shouldn't have prison guards = it simply creates the mindset that you're not there "for your own good" , but because the state demands it. Kids should see school as an opportunity, not a prison. Its flaw #1 in the way public institutions should function.

  • Lord at War||

    Again, from the video evidence we have, what mitigating factors that would have occurred before that would have justified what happened.

    She was asked to leave by the teacher, she didn't.

    She was asked to leave by the cop, she didn't.

    If you do that on my house... you get dragged out by your hair, or just shot.

    Whether you are 15 or 75.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    How can writing a blog post about freedom of speech be only "passively" defending it?

  • GILMORE™||

    "How can writing a blog post about freedom of speech be only "passively" defending it"

    By insisting upon a context which tries to justify people's irrational outrage and condemnation?

    i.e. suggesting that there is simply no possible form of "blackface" which is inoffensive, regardless of intent? Calling a Pizza Parlor, "Anti-Gay" despite their never having committed a single act of bigotry to anyone's knowledge? etc. etc.

    It seems that the moral imperative of the writer is to first "judge the speech", and only secondly (if at all) to ever assert that free-exercise has merit regardless of content.

    There's also the part about where Robby asserted that...while it is Not Okay to wear blackface without causing offense to every PoC alive.... its Okay to dress up as Kanye West... *because he's not really black*

    e.g. "These kinds of costumes are a reminder of a legacy of racial discrimination, and disparage all black people. They are never a wise idea. Morrow should have neglected to darken his skin in order to avoid accusations of blackface. But that said, Morrow clearly isn’t demeaning black people in general. He isn’t dressed up as a black person; he’s dressed up as Kanye West"

    I don't know why i had to read that pile of mindpoop at all

    Th simple idea that "halloween costumes are supposed to be 'provocative'" and aren't !#*@*& de-facto indicative of Racism" was never actually mentioned.

  • Cytotoxic||

    "you-know-what"

    Er...not to be obtuse but I don't know what.

  • AlmightyJB||

    You're lucky. What's asshole.

  • AlmightyJB||

    An asshole. I swear to god I'm going to throw this fucking phone out the window.

  • Cytotoxic||

    ...still confused.

  • Jason Bayz||

    "peaceable people"

    LOL

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Do you have evidence that the student in the video did anything violent to provoke the response from the cop?

  • Calidissident||

    What is the first thing kneejerk cop defenders say in response to this sort of incident? "She was a troublemaker and disobeyed the cop." By including that line, Robby is preemptively refuting that argument before it even gets started.

  • Cytotoxic||

    It was a pretty weak refuting. More like acknowledging and giving undue respect to the argument.

  • Calidissident||

    I think what follows does a sufficient job of refuting it:

    "But it’s impossible to justify the act of violence that followed her refusal to move; the officer knocked her backward out of her desk and dragged her across the floor. To say she could have been seriously injured in the struggle is an understatement."

    A reasonable reader with a neutral opinion should agree with that. It's a perfectly fine pre-emptive response to what is going to be the most common objection. Addressing counterarguments is literally Writing 101 college freshman level stuff, of course journalists are gonna include it in their articles. Yeah, ideally I'd like to live in a world where the people making those objections don't exist or are irrelevant, but they're not. A frighteningly large number of people would have that reaction to this video, and pretending they don't exist doesn't help matters. If everyone was in agreement, shit like this wouldn't happen on an accepted, routine basis.

  • chipper me timbers||

    " compelled to attend public schooling."

    I think I see the problem.

  • Sevo||

    Somebody here pointed out to me and it's true:
    It may be "Public", but more importantly, it is a "government" school.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    This reminds me of my favorite SRO story, when the police officer hired as the district SRO had an "accidental discharge" in the hallway of the high school. The officer reassured everyone that the gunshot was just him, and that everything was okay. Surprisingly, he was not charged with a crime.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I am the Nicole of links. Here is the link I intended to share.

  • Danger Actual||

    Dude, nobody 'nicoles' links. We SugarFree them.

    What a Jerry.

  • Ted S.||

    I was just looking up that very story today. (I think I'm the one who brought it to people's attention here.) Unfortunately my comment at the Daily Freeman article has been deleted -- I pointed out that the gun must have shot itself; otherwise the story would have been who shot it. /sarcasm

    The Freeman story not only uses the standard language of obscuring agency when a cop does something bad; it's sickeningly hagiographic and tries to normalize having cops in schools.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I never read the Freeman, only the Record, and I do not do that anymore. I know people who worked in the school when the gun went off. I believe that officer had kids in that school, too.

    No charges filed, though. He was just asked to retire, after he took his twenty at another agency. Poor guy.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Just a little bit twitchy that day.

  • ||

    According to activist Shaun King

    is this the blackface thread?

  • AlmightyJB||

    So what if your wife dresses up like a Wookie? Is that ok?

  • lap83||

    Imagine a world where public school didn't exist and stories like this didn't happen because the people involved had real jobs instead of either A. being forced to sit in a chair or B. responsible for forcing someone else to sit in a chair

  • GILMORE™||

    Obviously this is because racism and not because we've turned schools into prisons.

  • AlmightyJB||

    She should have claimed safe space sanctuary.

  • I see wood chippers||

    It may be true that the girl was in trouble, and she certainly disobeyed a police command.

    Absolutely zero relevance. Police commands carry the same ethical authority as a classmate's commands.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Sigh...it does depend on the circumstances. If there is a crime scene being CSI'd, yes the officer has the right to tell you not to step in it.

  • chipper me timbers||

    why?

  • I see wood chippers||

    If there is a crime scene being CSI'd, yes the officer has the right to tell you not to step in it.

    Not really. Unless they own the crime scene or are acting on behalf of the owner.

  • TimothyZ||

    Very similar dynamic to what you'll find in psychiatric detainment. Lack of communication skills, excessive force. Stanford prison experiment in schools and asylums for the disturbed.

  • ||

    I'd like to put it out there if I was the father of a daughter (which I am) and I saw some punk ass piece of shit school (or mall for that matter) cop do this to MY child I would do my own smacking around.

    Yes. If you're some sociopath with a badge I'm looking straight at you, bra.

  • ||

    I read the comments in the links.

    The same usual assholes Crusty was mocking earlier shit all over the thread.

    Show 10 more replies in this thread
    James Moore · Heartbreak Ridge
    The Officer did his job
    Like · Reply · 22 · 2 hrs

    James needs his own beating.

  • Cytotoxic||

    In a way James is right, depending on your view of this asshole's 'job'.

  • Rhywun||

    "He was just following orders."

    Nossing to zee here... moof alonk.

  • See Double You||

    Bah, who cares. Reason's just trying to rile up the base, but there's no real conversation to be had here.

    /Joe

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yes, just another of a million examples Reason puts out there about things that never ever happen except just this one

  • Cytotoxic||

    To the best of my knowledge, Canada does not have SROs in class. One reason to be glad to be here.

  • ||

    We just don't see this sort of stuff up here it's true.

  • Rhywun||

    Well, the kids are Canadian. They're all very clean, nice, and well-behaved, right?

  • ||

  • ||

    I don't know who does a better job spoofing Canadians between South Park and The Simpsons.

    But they sure have a weird view of us.

    It's hilarious to no end.

  • Sevo||

    They're all above average?

  • gaoxiaen||

    Until you give them a hockey stick.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Do you guys know this one? How do you spot a Canadian troll?

  • josh||

    clearly he just needs some paid time off.

  • Tony||

    Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.

    No, of course, that's reserved for private schools and their private security forces.

    Reason, never failing to shit on a decent argument by tacking on a completely unrelated corporate pet cause.

  • Cytotoxic||

    "No, of course, that's reserved for private schools and their private security forces."

    No it's not you retard. Private schools have to compete and I doubt they have braindead thugs hucking students around or otherwise menacing them. This is the shitty thuggish world assholes like you built for us. Thanks.

  • Rhywun||

    To be fair, I don't think the public/private status of the school matters here. Don't kids deserve humane treatment in either case?

  • Sevo||

    Yes, but our lying lefty is asserting that private schools treat them poorly; as a known and regular liar, we'd need some real evidence before buying that story.

  • Rhywun||

    Agreed.

  • Jason Bayz||

    I know of someone who was enrolled by his parents in private school specifically because he liked to cause trouble and the private school uses corporal punishment. He stopped causing trouble.

  • Sevo||

    I'll bet it wasn't dragging the kid across the classroom.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Nothing wrong with corporal punishment aside from having to trust teachers to administer it. Controlled and fair strapping is very different from a blue ape use a teenage girl as a prop in his RESPECT MUH AUTHORITAH performance.

  • Jason Bayz||

    No, a private school would have expelled that girl. Their discipline is generally far more strict. Have you been living under a rock?

  • Cytotoxic||

    They would have expelled her without assaulting her. See that thing over there? That's the point. You missed it.

  • Jason Bayz||

    They would have expelled her without assaulting her.

    Oh yes, how could I not have seen. They would have waived their free market magic wand and teleported her off of their property without using any violence.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Oooh the facetious copsucker. The one who tries to go beyond his grunting noises of approval for his BLUE HEROZ and tries to sound intelligent.

    Hey you know all those times people are peacefully escorted out of places they shouldn't be? Without tossing them like potato sacks? No magic wands involved dipshit. Peaceful interaction isn't magical, it's just beyond the comprehension of mouthbreathers like you.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    and in the free market, especially if this copy had done it more than once, the parents would have said "fire him or our child and our tuition is going elsewhere"

  • Jason Bayz||

    "fire him or our child and our tuition is going elsewhere"

    Another rock dweller.

  • sarcasmic||



    "fire him or our child and our tuition is going elsewhere"


    Another rock dweller.

    This may come as a shock to you, but quite often more than one private school services a given area. It's not like public schools where your institution is determined by your geographical location. As such, customers can choose to go somewhere else. That's how it works in a free market. And as a general rule, when you assault your customers' children, you don't get a second chance. Well, unless you're government in which case your customers don't have a choice in the matter.

    What rock did you say you live under? Is there a GIECO sign nearby?

  • Jason Bayz||

    @sarcasmic, the point, which you and the other commenters don't seem to get, is that private schools don't tolerate that kind of crap. They wouldn't have been afraid the that the girl's parents would have put her in a different school, they would have kicked her out of their school. I thought everyone knew that, apparently not.

  • sarcasmic||

    they would have kicked her out of their school.

    No one is disagreeing with you. The point you seem to be missing is that the manner in which this cop acted would not be tolerated by any parent at the private school, because their kid could be next. They don't want a time bomb walking around with their children. They want a professional who will use violence as the last resort, as opposed to jumping to it at the very first opportunity. They want their kids to respect the security guy, not fear him. They don't want their kids walking around school in fear.

    But government doesn't care because they can jail any parents who care enough for their children to refuse to warehouse them with that animal, but don't have the coin to put them somewhere else.

  • sarcasmic||

    I actually have some experience in this, being that I went to both public and private schools, including an inner-city vocational school with a security guard. Not sure if the guard was a cop or not since he didn't wear a uniform. The last one I was paying tuition to go to. There were several situations I witnessed where a cop could have easily jumped to violence, but this guy managed to talk it down. He viewed his job as deescalating conflict rather than creating it. And he was respected for it. People trusted him. Do you think any of the kids in that school trust or respect that resource officer? Do you think he cares? Do you think that security guard I knew would have kept his job if he jumped to violence at every available opportunity?

  • Sevo||

    Jason Bayz|10.26.15 @ 9:03PM|#
    "@sarcasmic, the point, which you and the other commenters don't seem to get, is that private schools don't tolerate that kind of crap. They wouldn't have been afraid the that the girl's parents would have put her in a different school, they would have kicked her out of their school. I thought everyone knew that, apparently not."

    tulpa, you bag of crap, why don't you get lost?

  • Eli||

    Everyone who disagrees with you is Tulpa!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Everyone who is obviously Tulpa is.

  • Eli||

    the parents would have said "fire him or our child and our tuition is going elsewhere"

    Whose parents? The parents of the kid who got dragged out, maybe.

    The alternative is to let the class continue to be disrupted. Which would give the other kids' parents cause to take their tuition dollars elsewhere. Do the math.

  • sarcasmic||

    Or the guard could have attempted to deescalated the situation until there was a peaceful resolution, instead of immediately jumping to violence. Granted it may not have worked, but it often does. Cops used to do that once upon a time. But someone decided it is a threat to officer safety, so they immediately go for the throat (literally) rather than act like civilized human beings.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|10.26.15 @ 7:39PM|#
    Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.
    "No, of course, that's reserved for private schools and their private security forces."

    Absent cites, assertions are largely worthless, especially from shitbags like you.

  • Jordan||

    No, of course, that's reserved for private schools and their private security forces.

    Examples? 'Cuz we've got plenty of examples of public employees slapping around students (literally and metaphorically) in public schools.

  • Migrant Log Chipper||

    Idiot gonna idiot.....check.

  • sarcasmic||

    Seriously? Private businesses assaulting their customers?

    Whenever I think you can't get anymore stupid, you always manage to prove me wrong.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    Being forced to attend school and being unable to afford private options means that some students lack the opportunity to avoid situations like this. A private school that tolerated this sort of behavior would lose enrollment and feel a financial consequence, not to mention be subject to legal consequences. Public schools using cops as SROs don't face those consequences.

    So, the real question is why you think the poor and middle class students don't deserve the best education in the safest environment. Why is that?

  • DesigNate||

    Because Tony is a racist and a classist?

  • R C Dean||

    "School resource officers" aren't always actual, official, law enforcement officers.

    Maybe this one was; many are. But I wouldn't necessarily assume it.

    And whether it was a valid command depends on more than whether the person issuing it is wearing a uniform. Did he have the legal authority to arrest her? What crime did she commit by just sitting in her chair? Trespassing, maybe? I can't think of anything else, offhand.

    What was she arrested for, anyway? Was it anything she did before the cop laid hands on her, or was it for "resisting arrest" or "disorderly conduct" or some other bullshit that arose only after the cop started making demands?

  • sarcasmic||

    Will he face any meaningful consequences for his action?

    I'm guessing he will not, which renders all of your questions moot.

    Power without consequences is absolute power, and we all know what that does.

  • R C Dean||

    I know, I know . . . .

    I can't help it. Just like I expect civilized people to use Oxford commas, I expect a civilized society to require that its armed agents obey the law. Silly, I know.

  • sarcasmic||

    Every job has its perks. Cooks often eat for free, flight attendants travel for free, hotel workers stay for free, and cops can completely and totally ignore the law without any fear of consequence.

  • sarcasmic||

    What was she arrested for, anyway?

    I'm sure she was charged with resisting at the minimum. That's the standard charge against someone who the cops initiate violence against for failing to show sufficient respect. She got off lucky too. Often that results in no charges because the offender bleeds to dead on the ground while the cop threatens violence on anyone who attempts to provide assistance.

  • sarcasmic||

    Tony feels that businesses prey on their customers because they have evil profit intentions, while wonderful government is wonderful. After all, government is us and we are government. That means government is good. It is the people. It is what stands in the way between those carnivorous businesses and the masses. Without it the corporations would enslave us and destroy the earth. That is what he really feels. Notice I never used the word "think." I will never accuse Tony of thought.

  • Cytotoxic||

    OT: Comedian wins Guatemala's presidential election with 67% of the vote. He might not be terrible.

    http://panampost.com/panam-sta.....landslide/

  • Cytotoxic||

    OT: Argentina had a presidential first stage vote that will now head to run-off. Opposition candidate did a lot better than expected, but he kind of sucks. Argentina won't become Venezuela, but it will still suck but maybe less but maybe not a lot less. Peronists lost the Buenos Aires governorship.

    http://panampost.com/adam-dubo.....-election/

  • Toast88||

    More government control. What can go wrong?? The government is benevolent.

  • sarcasmic||

    Gotta look at this from the cop's point of view. He's surrounded by unarmed minors, and all he's got is a club, a gun, and several magazines. He could only drop what? Twenty of them before they charged over the dead bodies and ripped him to shreds with their teeth? He's got to keep them in line! Can't tolerate any bullshit! Allow one uppity kid to disobey him and before you know it they'll all corner him and rip him apart like the walkers did to Glenn! It's dangerous out there! There's a war on cops!

  • Agammamon||

    Look dude, anyone of those kids could have started filming at a moment's notice and embarrassed the cop.

  • sarcasmic||

    Embarrassment requires shame, and shame is a quality that will immediately disqualify a potential cop. So is empathy, reason, a sense of justice, or a sense of mercy. Can't allow any weak pussies on the force.

  • Agammamon||

    Looks like she got off lightly. If there hadn't been a school resource officer on hand then the school would have likely called the police department and they would have rolled up in force and then she would have been beat to death by 5 or 6 of them.

  • Agammamon||

    Remember people - submit and obey. You'll live longer.

  • Agammamon||

    Though seriously - Other than walk away, what was the cop to do here?

    They're wouldn't walk away if you called them in to deal with a trespasser on *your* property.

    He drug here out - but didn't baton or taser her.

    Should have kept his mouth shut regarding the other kids provocations though - that's just force escalating the situation.

  • sarcasmic||

    I can't watch these videos anymore. Did he give her the "We can do this the easy way or the hard way" routine in an attempt to deescalate, or did he just go for the throat? I'm guessing the latter.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Though seriously - Other than walk away, what was the cop to do here?

    1. Cop shouldn't be there.
    2. Only the kids whose parents agree to them being there should be there.
    3. If the kid behaves in a manner contrary to the contract her parents signed for her, she can be removed, never to return, never to get an education and can face any consequences that come of it.

    This ain't rocket science. Government involvement CAUSES this shit.

  • Agammamon||

    1. Sure, I agree
    2. Again, I agree
    3. The thing is - who's going to remove her?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Call the parent. If the parent refuses it becomes a matter for the cops. But the threat of expulsion and breach of contract will keep those who actually want an education from taking stands like this. The rest...fuck em.

    AND, I coulda had that little bitch sitting in the principal's office in 3 minutes, without significantly disrupting the class and without throwing her across the room and cuffing her. By and large, kids tend to go where their earlobes go.

  • Eli||

    The cop will be there a lot faster than the parents.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Shocking. Tulpa misses the point.

  • sarcasmic||

    Though seriously - Other than walk away, what was the cop to do here?

    "We can do this the easy way or the hard way. The easy way is when you get up and leave with me. The hard way is when I grab you by the throat and drag you out on your back. Which would you prefer? It doesn't matter much to me."

    Then if she refused to go peacefully, the result wouldn't be as much of a surprise. And it would have been her choice. But I refuse to watch the video so I don't know if he tried that or not.

  • Agammamon||

    That's what I would have done - look come with me to the principal's office and law enforcement's involvement in this ends and its an issue between you, your parents, and the school.

    Don't come and I'll arrest you for trespassing. best case scenario you spend several hours alone in a holding cell until arraigned and then your parents pick you up and you go to court to settle the case later. Worst case you miss the last araignment time and spend the night in juvie, see the judge in the morning.

    *Resist* and I'll use appropriate force to ensure compliance and you'll also be charged with resisting arrest also.

  • Eli||

    Right, I totally want a geometry class interrupted by fucking negotiations with a disorderly seat occupant. I would say "student" but this person was clearly not interested in studying anything.

  • Agammamon||

    Don't really care what you *want*. This is what cops are *supposed* to do.

    If they resort *first* to violence in the classroom, then they're gong to resort first to even more violence on the street.

  • Eli||

    He didn't resort first to violence. In the second video it's clear he's trying to get the student to come quietly. And this is after the teacher had already told the student to leave!

    What you're asking for is a negotiation. Nope. Cannot do that with high school kids when it comes to disrupting class.

  • GILMORE™||

    So you're a teacher, right?

  • Eli||

    I don't make claims about personal credentials on the internet, since they're unproveable.

  • GILMORE™||

    Guess what you've proved so far?

  • Eli||

    Reason lashes out at cops who do that too.

    Like I said, long on criticism, short on alternatives. One could be forgiven for thinking they just don't like cops and take any incident involving police as an excuse to criticize them.

  • Rhywun||

    Should have kept his mouth shut

    Y'know - aside from the violence - this is what bothers me the most about every one of these stories: the pigs' complete and utter lack of professionalism, the way they treat the rest of us like dogshit.

  • Eli||

    You're using logic. Reason won't approve.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Once the cop is put into that situation, he is going to act like he is trained, and we saw what that was. The cop (who should not be trained in that way, but that is a different discussion) was called into a classroom to remove a student.

    Why and how does that happen? A disruptive student being asked to leave the class (a situation which has happened in schools forever) turned into Officer Dickbag forcibly dragging a student from the classroom. The officers' actions aside, something is seriously wrong with public schools when a student sitting in classroom turns into that video.

    -The student shows a lack of respect for the teacher and the officer
    -The teacher has not earned enough respect from the students and even thinks of calling for the SRO
    -Or the principal has ordered the teacher to call for the SRO in these situations and that the teacher allowed the student to be dragged out in his class like that which was some sort of school policy.

    What the fuck?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Other than walk away, what was the cop to do here?

    Walk away is the correct answer. He's not responsible for the teacher's incompetence in classroom management.

  • Agammamon||

    But he is responsible to the community for enforcing laws like criminal trespassing.

    Guy camps out in your front yard, you'd expect the cops to remove him. Same thing here.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The fact that a teacher decides to send a kid to the principal's office doesn't make her a criminal trespasser if she refuses. The classroom isn't the teacher's property; the teacher is an employee working in municipal property. Such a call would be up to the steward of the building, i.e. the principal.

  • sarcasmic||

    Such a call would be up to the steward of the building, i.e. the principal.

    That's nothing that a combination of a zero-tolerance policy and a bit of delegation can't fix.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Speaking of delegation, legally, when parents send their kids to school, they delegate some of their power and responsibility over their children to the teacher under the doctrine of in loco parentis. As such, teachers are seen as having "duty of care", meaning that they have the legal responsibility to ensure their learning and safety to their best ability.

  • Eli||

    Bullshit. The authority over the classroom has been delegated to the teacher.

    I am ever more certain that you not only have never taught a high school class, but perhaps have never even seen a high school.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The authority over the classroom has been delegated to the teacher.

    Some authority, yes, but if you actually took an Ed. Law class you'd know that the ultimate authority lies with the principal. And to answer your question, I taught high school for 3 years both in the United States and abroad, before teaching in higher education for almost 15 years now, as well as sitting on the board of a charter middle school.

    So what are your qualifications to call "bullshit"? You are a certified teacher, yes? Tell me, what is the legal definition of "reasonable discipline," what actions can a teacher take under them, and what are the circumstances in which the teacher can take these actions? I'll be kind and give you 2 minutes from this post to answer before declaring it obvious that you're Googling to bullshit an answer.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I'll be kind and give you 2 minutes from this post to answer before declaring it obvious that you're Googling to bullshit an answer.

    12 minutes in and no answer.

    Eli talking completely out of its ass confirmed.

    Intellectual checkmate.

  • Eli||

    You realize this is the internet, and claimed credentials are meaningless. If you think the teacher has to ask the principal for permission to remove a disruptive student, you are mistaken. I don't care how many years you claim to have taught. If true, I feel sorry for your students.

    before teaching in higher education for almost 15 years now, as well as sitting on the board of a charter middle school.

    Which doesn't mean squat. Teaching high school is a different animal. Sitting on the board? Please.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Fuck off Tulpa.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    claimed credentials are meaningless

    Then why did you question them?

    If you think the teacher has to ask the principal for permission to remove a disruptive student

    I never said that. Intro to Reading Comprehension must have been another course you skipped when pursuing your Education degree.

    Which doesn't mean squat. Teaching high school is a different animal. Sitting on the board? Please.

    So you missed the part where I said I did teach in high school? Or are you just so ignorant that you don't know that the board of a charter school is responsible for writing up the school's disciplinary polices and ensuring compliance with state Ed. law? See, you don't know squat. Administering a school is a different animal.

    If true, I feel sorry for your students.

    Really? I've never had to hit mine. Nor have I ever seen a teacher hit a student when I was a kid, but I guess that's because I didn't go to some piece of shit hellhole school filled with the detritus of humanity like you did.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Shut the fuck up.

  • Eli||

    The cop never hit the kid, he just pulled her around a bit. Which I saw quite a few times when I was in school (though done by the teacher, not a cop).

  • Eli||

    because I didn't go to some piece of shit hellhole school filled with the detritus of humanity like you did.

    So you really don't have any basis for knowing what's happening in an inner city school in Columbia SC.

  • Agammamon||

    Who can delegate the authority to make that decision, as the authority was delegate to him.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Who can delegate the authority to make that decision, as the authority was delegate to him.

    Until you have evidence that the principal delegated the authority to the teacher to determine which students can be on school grounds, that is mere speculation. And unless that teacher was also a vice-principal, seriously I doubt that happened.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    *I seriously....

    Don't ask me how that weird syntax happened.

  • Eli||

    Until you have evidence that the principal delegated the authority to the teacher to determine which students can be on school grounds

    There go the goal posts!

    When you were teaching high school for 3 years, did you have to ask the principal for permission to send a disruptive student out of the classroom?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Agammamon|10.26.15 @ 9:46PM| block | mute | #

    But he is responsible to the community for enforcing laws like criminal trespassing.

    Guy camps out in your front yard, you'd expect the cops to remove him. Same thing here.
    Heroic Mulatto|10.26.15 @ 9:58PM| block | mute | #

    The fact that a teacher decides to send a kid to the principal's office doesn't make her a criminal trespasser if she refuses. The classroom isn't the teacher's property; the teacher is an employee working in municipal property. Such a call would be up to the steward of the building, i.e. the principal.

    THERE GOES ELI'S READING COMPREHENSION!

  • DesigNate||

    Don't mind Eli, he's just being Tulparific.

  • Eli||

    Pretty much every teacher of kids that age is going to have to deal with defiance at some point. We've removed the easy tools of corporal punishment from the teacher, and in many cases there is not going to be any consequence from a report to the kids' parents, partially because they're restricted also in their ability to punish, and partly because they often don't give a damn.

    Maybe you're some kind of magical pied piper who can control high school kids with pure inspiration, but with tens of thousands of high schools in the country needing dozens of teachers each, there's not enough of you to go around... and never has been, by the way. During my high school days I remember teachers themselves doing pretty much everything the officer did in the video short of the arrest.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    We've removed the easy tools of corporal punishment from the teacher


    Corporal punishment is legal in South Carolina.

    You've proven you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Shut the fuck up.

  • Eli||

    You realize you just linked to unsourced Wikipedia content? An image last updated in 2011, no less. That would get you a D on your term paper.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That's all you got?

    Now shut the fuck up.

  • Eli||

    Again, what you have linked to does not back up your claim. It just means there is no law at the state level. The district may well have a policy (and most do).

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    There go the goal posts!
  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    There go the goal posts!

    Fuck off Tulpa.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Again, what you have linked to does not back up your claim. It just means there is no law at the state level.

    WHAT? Yes it does, you mendacious fuck. That is the state law that legalizes it as a method that is available to the district at its discretion.

  • Eli||

    We're not talking about the district, we're talking about the teacher.

    If the district forbids it (which most do) then the teacher is still going to get fired if they do it.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    2

    3

    How many ya need, bitch?

  • Eli||

    "stophitting.com" HAHAHAHAHA
    Figures are from 2008.

    You guys might want to read what you're linking to before you do it.

  • Eli||

    And of course if you guys think that corporal punishment is allowed in SC, would you react better to this video if it were the teacher implementing the coercion?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    There go the goal posts!

    Fuck off Tulpa.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    You know, F'dA, when proven that he was talking out of his ass, Tulpa could have just slinked away from the thread with none the wiser. However, he chose to double down on his stupidity and lies. You can never accuse him of not being true to himself.

    I'll see you all on the flip side.

    "the clock is ticking on the time available for that learning? There's no place for patience."

    Christ, my sides hurt from laughing!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Night HM.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And of course if you guys think that corporal punishment is allowed in SC, would you react better to this video if it were the teacher implementing the coercion?

    You should know the answer to that; it's been almost 40 minutes. What is the legal definition of "reasonable discipline," what actions can a teacher take under them, and what are the circumstances in which the teacher can take these actions?

  • Eli||

    You're the expert, you answer.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    The student was told she was under arrest for disturbing school
    “I’ll put you in jail next,”

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    These morons are simply priceless.

    Not sure who is more stupid?

    The pig?
    The school board/officials for putting a pig in a school?
    Or the state that allows either and prosecutes normal teenage behavior as a crime?

    This country is doomed.

  • sarcasmic||

    He sure would have put those other kids in jail. For assaulting his fist with their faces.

  • sarcasmic||

    i wonder how many libertarians that resource officer created that day...

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    That's a nice thought, but I'm sure they'll be convinced it's for their (and society's) own good.

  • ||

    Wait a minute, dammit.

    Why is it that the little shit who maligned the hero by videoing the incident didn't have the shit beaten out of him and arrested?

    Where is the justice?

  • Eli||

    Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.

    No, they lose that right when they disrupt class and refuse to leave. As in many of these cases, I'm curious what Robby Suave would have done in the officer's place. Just walk away? Offer the kid candy as a reward for doing as told?

    On police issues, Reason often tends to be long on criticism and short on alternatives.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No, they lose that right when they disrupt class and refuse to leave.

    Yes, because disrupting a class and refusing to leave is like equal to 1,000 9/11s and is deserving of a waterboarding followed by electric shocks to the genitals.

  • sarcasmic||

    Attempt to deescalate. Offer alternatives to violence, while making it clear that violence will be used as a last resort. Then, only if alternatives are exhausted, and the person makes it clear that their choice is violence, resort to violence.

    The reason why things like this are shocking is because there is little or no attempt to deescalate the situation. The choices to the person are not made clear. It comes out of the blue. Civilized people offer choices. They offer alternatives. They use patience. They don't just lash out and use violence when they are not immediately obeyed.

  • Eli||

    You realize this is taking place in a classroom where learning is supposed to be taking place, and the clock is ticking on the time available for that learning? There's no place for patience.

    Not to mention that your course of action is going to send a message that there are no consequences for disrupting class.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    and the clock is ticking on the time available for that learning? There's no place for patience.

    HA! HA! HA! HA!

    Wait until you hear about competency-based education!

  • DesigNate||

    "There's no place for patience"

    Man I hope you get to be on the receiving end of that lack of patience someday Tulpa.

  • Robert||

    So what's the worst that could happen? Most of life, certainly most of school, is a waste of time, what's 1 tiny bit more of it?

  • Eli||

    When the other kids see there's no consequences to that behavior, it's not going to be one tiny bit anymore.

  • Robert||

    Still, what's the worst that could happen? BTW, I have no idea what "that behavior" was, but I don't need to find out to analyze this issue.

  • Thomas O.||

    Okay, well, she could've simply been subdued by wrestling her to the floor, arms behind her back, zip-cuffed or what have you. Not by going straight to the rag-doll treatment. Act like a responsible police officer, not a fucking mob goon.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Funny, that cops were never required in classrooms a decade ago.

    He shouldn't fucking be there to begin with. If school was voluntary and private, discipline becomes the parent's problem, not the school's.

  • Rhywun||

    cops were never required in classrooms

    I don't see anything indicating this cop was "in the classroom". I'm sure he spends most of his time just roaming the halls or eating donuts in the caff.

  • Eli||

    Funny, that cops were never required in classrooms a decade ago.

    A decade, not so much; maybe 20 years ago, when teachers felt free to punish kids themselves and/or could expect the parents to punish them if the teacher reported bad behavior.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I already did that parody up thread.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Ima make the Tulpa call early.

    Fuck off sock.

  • Sevo||

    We had another infestation over in the Trump thread as I recall.

  • Sevo||

    "On police issues, Reason often tends to be long on criticism and short on alternatives."

    Maybe that's 'cause:
    1) It's quite obvious there are many other possible responses to what the kid did.
    2) It's not the job of a magazine to define acceptable cop behavior; that's the job of of the organization he represents.
    But, you just keep on griping about the messenger; most all of us here can read your lips.

  • Eli||

    It's quite obvious there are many other possible responses to what the kid did.

    Name one that is likely to solve the problem.

  • Trigger Hippie||

    Well, they could have just let the little shit stay there until the kid got bored with being in class. Then, after said little shit went home, Inform the Parent/s that their kid has now been expelled until further notice.

    The rest of the school day disrupted and some taxpayer money wasted, yes. A kid peacefully removed from the classroom without violence, yes.

    If your preferred response is immediate violence visited upon a child, you're just a cunt of a human being.

  • Eli||

    Oh please take the posturing and self-righteousness elsewhere. Parents and other authority figures have been "visiting violence" on children to teach them to behave since probably before we were homo sapiens.

  • Trigger Hippie||

    You may not have noticed where I said immediate violence, not excluding it all together. This was not a situation where violence was necessary.

    That aside, You asked for an effective alternative to a police officer resorting to fucking up a kid given the first opportunity, I gave you one.

  • Sevo||

    Eli|10.26.15 @ 10:21PM|#
    "Name one that is likely to solve the problem."
    Gee, tulpa, how about call the parents?
    I know you're an asshole; are you trying to prove you're stupid too?

  • Eli||

    Are the parents Zeus and Hera or something? They'll send lighting bolts and the kid will comply?

  • Sevo||

    Eli|10.26.15 @ 11:54PM|#
    "Are the parents Zeus and Hera or something? They'll send lighting bolts and the kid will comply?"

    I see your point being that you're an ignoramus. Would you like to provide more evidence?

  • DesigNate||

    You can read his lips with that cock in his mouth?

  • ||

  • Crusty Juggler||

    That did not take long.

  • sarcasmic||

    Fields, the sheriff says, “has proven to be an exceptional role model to the students he serves and protects who are scared to death of him.”

  • ||

    Perhaps he's taking steroids for his power lifting.

  • Rhywun||

    I wonder what he squats, brah?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, if you RTFA, you'd know it was 940.

  • F. Mattress Boy, Jr.||

    Read the article, that's crazy talk.

  • RBS||

    Fields grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and graduated from a private Christian high school there in 2000. He then graduated with an associate’s degree from a junior college in Kansas and moved to Columbia, South Carolina, because his parents had relocated there, he says in the lawsuit deposition.

    His father, Wayne Fields, is the president and CEO of the Oliver Gospel Mission in Columbia, where Ben Fields worked for one year before becoming a police officer.

    He said he was encouraged to become a police officer by a deputy sheriff who taught at Midlands Tech, where Fields took three criminal justice classes.

    No wonder he became a SRO.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    The district said it is “deeply concerned” about the incident. “Student safety is and always will be the district’s top priority,” the school district’s statement said. “The district will not tolerate any actions that jeopardize the safety of our students.”

    Yet, they put a cop in a school?

  • sarcasmic||

    Officer safety will always trump student safety.

  • GILMORE™||

    Those "fast facts" were like 1000 words long.

    I didn't read them, but the headlines were basically, "he's a racist, he lifts weights, people complain about him, but the boss gave him "employee of the month" once"

  • ||

    used to be the weirdest psycho you knew in high school was a future cop, not a present one.

  • F. Mattress Boy, Jr.||

    Johnson said, “When I asked (their teacher) Mr. Long if he felt bad for what happened to her … his reply was ‘she should have cooperated.'”

    Some might say this attitude is excessively compliant; to me, this reads more like advice given by park rangers or some such: don't provoke the wildlife. And it's appalling that people have to behave around "law enforcement professionals" as though they are animals. But dammit, it seems to increasingly be that you either shut the fuck up or die while trying to prove a point.

    Deputy Ben Fields, left, with fellow Deputy Scott Puckett at a “Bid for Bachelors” charity event

    Libertarian women*, here's your chance to win hearts and minds!

    *lol wut

  • Eli||

    So you think the kid was justified in refusing to leave the classroom?

  • F. Mattress Boy, Jr.||

    My comment is more general in nature, not about this specific incident. I haven't watched the video.

  • Eli||

    So not having informed yourself about what happened, you come to the conclusion that expecting compliance was unreasonable?

  • F. Mattress Boy, Jr.||

    You came here looking for a fight; go find one somewhere else.

  • Copernicus would chip||

    " the SRO has a history of violence toward the students, who are all terrified of him."

    Feature not Bug

  • Alice Bowie||

    Unfortunately, the girl required apprehension to remove her from the classroom.

    Yes, in the world we live in, when the police show up and tell you Bla Bla Bla, you can either

    A. Comply.
    B. Resist and hope to be the next Rosa Parks that changes police behavior for ever (unlikely).
    C. Resist and be just like this girl. Get your ass kicked and possibly even killed and the band plays on.

    Regardless of choosing A,B,or C, nothing is happening to the cop. If you don't chose A, option C will happen 99.99999% of the time.

    Good luck being the next Rosa Parks.

  • Eli||

    Do you think this kid was in the right?

  • Alice Bowie||

    No.

    In modern day America, regardless of color (and especially if you are black), are required to remain composed while being apprehended by the police and are suppose to follow police instructions. If the citizen feels that he/she is being wronged, they must not lose their cool, remain calm, and let the police go through the process. Only in a later hearing or through a public or civilian complaint can the citizen bring up his/her grievances.

    Now I know that people do get emotional when they feel that they are unfairly being targeted or feel that they have done nothing wrong. But unfortunately, if you don't want your face kicked in (or killed), do what the cop says.

  • Eli||

    No.

    So why are you comparing her to Rosa Parks?

  • Alice Bowie||

    Oh I'm not. I'm kinda responding to the general sentiment of protesting police misconduct while one is being apprehended. A lot of folks think it's ok or even cool to "stand up to the government". You see it all the time now in the news.

    A 17 year old White Boy was killed by police because of a high-beam incident. That kid felt like protesting, and got treated like King (Rodney, Martin Luther).

    But I'm sure she felt, at the time, just like the 17 year old White Boy mentioned above, that she was in the right. I'm saying that regardless of how 'in the right' one feels, unfortunately, in America, we must come quietly...Or Officer Friendly turns into Mr. Hyde.

  • Sevo||

    Alice Bowie|10.26.15 @ 10:43PM|#
    Shorter Alice:
    'kids shouldn't stand up to cops!'
    Fuck off, Alice.

  • SimonJester||

    You spelled "Slaver" with an A. That is odd.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "A lot of folks think it's ok or even cool to "stand up to the government"."

    And there are other folks who think it's cool for the government to summarily execute those who get uppity.

  • F. Mattress Boy, Jr.||

    If the citizen feels that he/she is being wronged, they must not lose their cool, remain calm

    That's exactly backwards. It is the ostensibly trained professionals who must not lose their cool, who must de-escalate situations, who must not resort to violence until all other methods have failed.

    Instead, these hair-trigger bastards will snap on you at the slightest provocation, real or imagined.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Tomorrow it will be: we must rally around our brother in blue, who was just doing his job. Fine, he will not be in the school, but he will be cracking skulls on the streets keeping the streets safe.

  • Alice Bowie||

    Having to apprehend un-cooperative people is a tough job.

    But what exactly do you want the cop to do ?

  • buybuydandavis||

    "But what exactly do you want the cop to do ?"

    Seems like a good top ten list.

    I don't think you'd like my list. #1 involves a woodchipper.

  • Sevo||

    Alice Bowie|10.26.15 @ 10:20PM|#
    "Having to apprehend un-cooperative people is a tough job."

    Yep, a hundred-pound 6th-grader, recklessly racing her desk down the hall-way, endangering all in her path....
    Uh, Alice, she was sitting at her desk. What 'apprehension' was required?

  • Alice Bowie||

    Students do not lose their right to humane treatment merely because they are compelled to attend public schooling.

    This student was being apprehended by the police. The fact that she was attending public schools (something I know libertarians just hate), is not why this happened.

    If the principal of a private school called the cops on a student and she refused to leave, she'd be apprehended there as well.

    Citizens (including students of all ages) do lose the right to humane treatment upon resisting or not following police orders. We can try to have this change but to what?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Why would the principle of a private school call the cops prior to the parent?

  • Alice Bowie||

    They may call the parents afterwards depending on the situation.

    To me, if I'm the principal (regardless of public and private), if I have a disobedient and disruptive kid that wouldn't leave the classroom, I'd call the parents to come get them. And, if they still won't with the parents there, then I'll call in officer friendly.

  • Sevo||

    Frank, this is Alice.
    Pretty good bet Alice is a inheritor of wealth who then blew quite a bit, therefore presuming business success is 'luck', and hoping to export his guilt to others who work for a living.
    As an example, despite his claims of 'being in business' he decries using 'other peoples' money' for business, ignoring that unlike lefties, business people borrow it or sell equity for it.
    In short, Alice is an ignoramus who thinks that being a lefty is just sort of a hobby rather than a promoter of mass murder.
    Fuck off, Alice.

  • I see wood chippers||

    Citizens (including students of all ages) do lose the right to humane treatment upon resisting or not following police orders.

    There's nothing special about a police order.

  • Alice Bowie||

    Amadou Diallo shooting in NYC many years ago

    Here's a tasteless joke on the incident above that may be relevant in this case:

    Knock Knock !!!
    Who's there ???
    Amadou
    Amadou Who ???
    Amadou exactly what the police tell me to do next time.

  • Robert||

    But in that case, it was plainclothed police, & the refusal to sell them drugs, IIRC.

  • Sevo||

    Alice ain't real bright; presume current 12th grade level. IOWs, stupid.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "But it’s impossible to justify the act of violence that followed her refusal to move; "

    The justification is always the same.

    BFYTW.

  • Eli||

    But it’s impossible to justify the act of violence that followed her refusal to move; "

    Which act of violence followed her refusal to move? Further verbal requests for her to move?

    The situation looked like it had been playing out for a while before the video started.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Vote WoodChipper 2016

  • creech||

    I'm surprised no one mentioned Dr. Thomas Sowell's column today in praise of the cops, saying one is a bad parent if one's kid mouths off when requested to do something by a cop, and is perfectly down with shooting the kid in Cleveland who didn't respond, "in seconds," to the cop's demand to drop a toy gun. I think we all need to carefully consider if, upon the first sighting of a cop in our vicinity, we just put our hands up and say "I surrender; please don't shoot."

  • widget||

    Say 'hello', or ignore him, depending on your level the socialization you are comfortable with anyone else. Cops, along with firemen, make way too much money from the public fisk, but other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

  • widget||

    A school resource officer...

    That sounds like a sucky job, but what's his name? That won't be mentioned. Why? COUNTER NARRATIVE: he's the only guy around who gives a shit.

    I could be totally wrong about this, but I doubt it.

  • Krombopulos Carl||

    His name is Ben Fields and it has been widely reported.

  • Real American||

    Yes, Sir. No, Sir never gets you beaten up. The cops want to brutalize you. That's why they become cops. So this cop gets suspended or probably nothing, but this girl gets all fucked up for what? to show she's tough? she ain't tough. big deal anyway. obey orders = live, disobey = broken body parts. not worth it.

  • Real American||

    Yes, Sir. No, Sir never gets you beaten up. The cops want to brutalize you. That's why they become cops. So this cop gets suspended or probably nothing, but this girl gets all fucked up for what? to show she's tough? she ain't tough. big deal anyway. obey orders = live, disobey = broken body parts. not worth it.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    So do you think Tulpa and Alice didn't watch the video, or they did watch it but they had to stick to their trolling shtick?

  • John C. Randolph||

    she certainly disobeyed a police command

    I want to know where these pigs got the notion that anyone has to obey their commands.

    -jcr

  • sarcasmic||

    Cops are not law enforcement officers. They are compliance officers. Their job is not to enforce the law. They couldn't give two shits about the law. Their job is to make people do as they say. Doesn't matter if their orders are legal or not, their job is to issue orders and then immediately use violence if they are not unquestioningly obeyed. They are trained to do this with the understanding that no matter what they do, no matter how illegal their actions are, that the entire legal system is there to protect them. That is the dirty truth.

  • commodious spittoon||

    @IPOC369 2 hours ago
    Good!! When are people going to learn to obey the police.Do not run or fight back...

    Well, he makes a good point... insubordination = execution.

  • Vernon Depner||

    My confession: If the teacher had knocked the brat out of her chair and dragged her out of the room instead of the cop, I would have cheered.

  • Lamont||

    I think that cop should be kicked in his ass that is a child go to some of them real hood areas and try that shit you fkm loser i hate yall s.c police white prejudice mf yeah i said it

  • mcfly||

    The girl needed her ass kicked, blacks always bitch about everything, nothing is their fault, always resisting arrest, poor old them, fuck em. I love seeing some dumb ass black person arguing with the cops get their black ass beat down, worthless mfers. I would have beaten her down worse and I'm a cop. White lives matter. Black people sag their pants, most are on welfare, largest numbers in prison, ...it goes on and on, they're pieces of shit and we like kicking their ass, this will always be, and there isn't a thing you black ass mfers can do about it so F-U

  • XM||

    There's no "body slam" or dragging of bodies. What you're seeing is a violent tussle and fall involved with the police officer trying to extract a student who doesn't want to be removed from her seat.

    Look at the video, she starts to hit him on the head as he tries to lift her up, which cause them to stagger backwards. Once she's on the floor he jerks her around (who just assaulted a police officer and has to be restrained at that point) with a lot of force, which looks fast and violent but not out of the ordinary given the escalating situation.

    How will the teachers in these inner city schools feel if the district banned police from campus permanently? Because at this point, the police will heartily agree to that and let someone else deal with handling the fallout of having to carry out zero tolerance policies.

    Some forms of violent crime is indeed going up in some cities. LA police under reported violent crimes for 8 years and it turned out the city's crime rate was declining at a lesser rate than previously thought. And there was a spike in violent crime in the city. The irony is that the left insists we're a violent nation, but they would like the cops to be hesitant and second guess themselves.

    And yes, the black community clearly have some issues with resisting arrest. As reason proudly notes, immigrants commit less violent crimes and comply with officer's demands more than the natives. That's why we die less at the hands of police.

  • ThomasD||

    The cop's initial physical actions certainly appear excessive, and therefore criminal to me. At which point I'm also inclined to find any acts of resistance on the part of the student to be non-criminal.

    The question is: When faced with someone who has been asked to leave, but is refusing, how should he have proceeded? What would have been a reasonable approach to removing a disruptive and non-compliant person from the classroom?

    Not like he can just leave her there, and what do you do when verbal efforts fail?

    Does he start with a hand resting on her shoulder? Gripping her upper arm? Wrist?

    Is any amount of physical force appropriate?

  • Cbalducc||

    Maybe the girl in question should get a free subscription to "Reason". What other magazine encourages people to ignore laws they don't like?

  • SezWhom||

    As usual, the video only shows what the cop did. What happened in the minutes before? Where's the video of that? I agree the cop over reacted, but he was there because he was called there as a result of the girl's actions. It's not just about the cop.

  • ThomasD||

    Him doing his R. Lee Ermey impression in her left ear would be an overreaction.

    What he actually did was a crime.

  • dpbisme||

    More Silly BS....

    She will be a problem in the future and the fact that she had take loads of class time, you seem not to care about the rest of the class or the teacher, We pay teachers to teach, when they are not doing thier we are not getting what we paid for and the the students loose out.

    The people tried to have her leave the class what else was the police officer supposd to do?

    I expect this BS from LIBTARDS bun tnot here at Reason.

  • Stephdumas||

    Meanwhile, a California student body slams an high school principal.

  • TSowell Fan||

    Here's what some experts have to say about how the teacher ought to have handled this situation. Very simple really. No mention of how to deal with a class containing numerous defiant or unmotivated students. Oh well.

    1. "School-Wide Strategies for Managing... DEFIANCE / NON-COMPLIANCE": http://www.interventioncentral.....-complianc

    2. "Strategies for Dealing with Defiant, Rude & Oppositional Students": http://www.behavioradvisor.com/Defiance.html

  • Essie||

    Okay Officer properly fired as did appear excessive use of force. Yes, girl did physically attack officer, was resistant, etc. What I want to know is whether this girl was expelled? She should be as she was cause of this problem. She should also have criminal charges placed against her for assault of police officer and any other criminal conduct she was involved in that prompted the officer to show up. To not hold her accountable would teach her and other students a bad lesson.

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