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Free Trade

Trump's Trade War With Canada Is Costly, Absurd, and Unfunny

American consumers and businesses are being taken advantage of by Canadians who are…offering to sell us aluminum, oil, and wood? How?

Eric Boehm | 8.31.2026 10:10 AM

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As the Trump administration escalated its trade war with Canada last week, the White House's official Twitter account shared a photo of a bald eagle tackling a Canadian goose.

The intended message was not exactly a subtle one.

But the post did illustrate how the administration views America's economic relationship with Canada, and how President Donald Trump thinks about international trade more broadly: as a win-or-lose struggle in which America must bully its trading partners and fight its allies, lest they keep "ripping us off."

That logic completely unravels if you think about it for more than a minute. American consumers and businesses are being taken advantage of by Canadians who…are offering to sell us aluminum, oil, and wood while buying our farm goods, machinery, and ethanol? Americans and Canadians trade hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of goods every year in voluntary, mutually beneficial transactions.

But Trump doesn't want to think about it for more than a minute. He wants a fight for the sake of a fight, and the details don't matter.

For one thing: In that fight between the bald eagle and the goose, the goose won.

More importantly, there is unlikely to be a winner in a trade war between the U.S. and Canada, because higher tariffs on both sides of the border will make both countries poorer. Trump has ordered tariffs of up to 50 percent on Canadian imports, and Canada has retaliated with similar taxes on American goods.

We've had a years-long lesson in how tariffs can increase prices for consumers, but why worry about that? Didn't you see the photo of the eagle and the goose? Didn't you hear that Trump renamed Lake Ontario?

"All it takes is a good pen and some intelligence," Trump said in a video recorded from the Oval Office as he announced the new "Lake America."

Well, it requires half of those things.

Just to give some idea of how absurd things have gotten, consider this: Days after Trump returned to office in January 2025, the satirical social media account belonging to the fictional "Rep. Jack Kimble" called on the president to change Lake Ontario's name to Lake America.

From social media parody to real-life executive order in less than 19 months. Like a lot of jokes, this one is less funny the second time around.

University of Michigan economist Justin Wolfers argues that Trump's ridiculous escalations of the trade war actually do matter. Trump's "childish taunts" have "stirred such anger among Canadians that Carney now has less room to give Trump what he wants….He has made it harder for Canada's leaders to make concessions to the United States."

The mistake there may be in assuming that Trump wants a deal at all. There is little indication that he does.

At one point during recent negotiations, The New York Times reported, American officials said the U.S. "would retain the power to change tariff policy against Canada at any time, irrespective of the agreement."

What good is a deal that's subject to be changed at whim? It's hard to blame Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney for rejecting that ridiculous proposal.

Even before that, Carney had good reason to be distrustful. After all, the two countries had a deal—the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA), which Trump negotiated and hailed as "the best agreement we've ever made" during his first term.

Trump decided to tear up that deal because he wants a fight—even a nonsensical one that will harm American consumers and businesses—more than he wants trade with Canada. (By retaliating against Trump's foolishness, Canada is compounding the error. As J.D. Tuccille wrote last week, Canada ought to pursue a policy of unilateral free trade, rather than hurting its own people in a showdown with Trump.)

During Trump's first term, the president's defenders pointed to the USMCA as proof that Trump was using tariffs only as leverage to secure better trade deals for American companies. If that was ever true, it's obviously not the case anymore. For Trump, tariffs and trade wars have become an end unto themselves, no matter their consequences.

The root of this foolishness is the president's inability to understand why trade is valuable.

Free trade is not an eagle and a goose fighting over a frozen lake. It is a complex web of consensual transactions. It is the Ford pickup truck that's built in Michigan with an engine that's made in Canada and powered by fuel that was pumped out of the tar sands of Alberta and turned into gasoline. It is more than $800 billion in commerce each year between people living in the two countries.

Trump doesn't care about that, and so we will have the stupidest trade war of all time. Like the real war Trump launched in Iran, this one seems to have no clear objectives or purpose. It will raise prices at home and hurt America's standing in the rest of the world. It is destruction for the sake of destruction—and for the social media memes.

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  1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Canada can at any time drop it's terrifs on the US to 0% and trump would do the same. Fuck off liar

    1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

      What do you think the Canadian tariffs (before Trump) were on the US? The US had tariffs on Canada too.

      Newsflash: Every country on earth has tariffs for something or the other. Every country subsidizes its important industries. The US subsidizes its agricultural industries. That's neither new, nor is it a big deal. What if Canada demanded that the US stop its agricultural or energy subsidies? After all, those give an unfair advantage to US industries, no?

      In the end, this is all normal. We understand and accept that all countries do this.

      What matters is the applicable, weighted tariff rate. And for US-Canada, it was overall just 1-2%. That's perfectly fine. A nothing burger.

      Also, a reminder that Trump's reasons for the Canada tariffs has not been "You're tariffing us, so we're tariffing you". No, it's been alternatively fentanyl, wildfires, TV ads, etc.

      So what's the basis for your claim that if Canada drops all its tariffs, Trump would do the same? Has Trump openly said that?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        So what's the basis for your claim that if Canada drops all its tariffs, Trump would do the same? Has Trump openly said that?

        Don't fall for this con. Trump probably did say that. Then the next day Trump probably put tariffs on Canada because of fentanyl or some stupid reason. Trump says lots of things. He lies every time. He has no fixed position on any issue. It doesn't matter what Trump says.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          He absolutely said it. Whether he meant it or not is a different matter.

          One of these countries could always call his bluff, take the Reason preferred Unilateral Free Trade, and drop their tariffs to 0.

          They won’t though and it’s not even that hard to guess why.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            drop their tariffs to 0

            It's not about the tariff rate anymore. It is about CONTROL.

            The US position wanted to dictate how Canada placed tariffs on OTHER nations, AND wanted to dictate Canada's position on French language content on Netflix.

            It's not about "free trade", Trump is just an old-timey imperialist at this point. Plus he is utterly untrustworthy. If Canada makes a deal with him today, tomorrow he will alter the deal and slap some new tariffs on them.

            Why should ANY nation agree to any deal with him on any matter?

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-carney-counter-tarrif-response-9.7316934

            In a departure from his usual diplomatic language, Carney suggested the U.S. sometimes signs trade deals in "pencil," and while Canada's government is united and working together, the same is not true of the Trump administration.

            What do you think the "in pencil" phrase means? The issue is way beyond trade at this point.

            1. creech   2 months ago

              That's the trouble - Trump is proven to be untrustworthy. So, even if you perceive yourself as a winner in the Canadian-U.S. tariff wars, you can't take the risk of investing in, say, a new plant or assembly line to make stuff in America. Do you want to be $$$thousands invested into something and have Trump suddenly make a deal with Canada that turns you into a loser? How do you staff properly, or adjust your supply chain, or borrow money when, at a whim, all your efforts can be wiped out because U.S. tariff policy changes again?

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                America is showing record investment domestically. A change in the trend under Biden. What are you slathering about?

                It still amazes me how some of you think tariffs are a driving decision maker in this when regulatory burden is far costlier. Biden added 5T in regulatory policies.

                1. creech   2 months ago

                  For companies with significant import and export situations, tariffs can be a driving consideration. I've worked for such companies in an executive financial capacity. Yes, I know what I'm "slathering about."

            2. DesigNate   2 months ago

              Yeah, no, you don’t get to shift the goal posts to control when this thread (and my post in particular) was specifically about tariffs and their rates.

              If unilateral free trade is an unalloyed good, it shouldn’t matter what Trump may or may not do, especially when it comes to the Canadian government placing overburdensome taxes on their citizens. Reducing their tariffs to 0 requires no trade agreements.

            3. Heresolong   2 months ago

              "The US position wanted to dictate how Canada placed tariffs on OTHER nations, AND wanted to dictate Canada's position on French language content on Netflix."

              Canada's position was that the US government had to force media companies to adopt Canada's French language policies. What's that got to do with trade or tariffs?

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Canada had tariffs and caps on products. Some of them over 100%. See the dairy industry. Now, show us the US ones hitting those levels.

        1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

          US tariffs on tobacco products = 350%. Tariffs on peanuts > 150% .

          All pre-trump.

          So the US very much has tariffs on other countries, including Canada. Not to mention the government subsidies. As do ALL countries.

          And guess what? That's okay! What matter is the breadth and applicability, not the raw fact of a tariff existing.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            So you admit tariffs are okay, but still complain this time?

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              Whether or not I complain depends on the impact of the tariffs. For small levels of tariffs that don't, or hardly impact trade, I don't care. For larger impact tariffs, I care.

              Since Canada's dairy quotas are not even 50% met, this falls into the "zero-impact" category, so why should I care? My concern is saved for important things that actually matter, not things which don't matter.

    2. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      Trump's tariff position has never been zero-for-us and zero-for-you. Trump's latest tantrum is about Canada rejecting his absurd demands.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Yes it has. Just no country is willing to do so.

    3. Bill Poser   2 months ago

      No, Trump wouldn't. Trump's actions are not motivated by Canadian tariffs. Look at the list of US demands. Most of them have nothing to do with Canadian tariffs.

    4. MoreFreedom   2 months ago

      I agree. Trump is using tariffs to get corrupt governments that protect their rich big business owning friends from US competition, to stop it. This is better than the common for politicians to sell access to US markets when money goes into their pockets.

      I say this, when I used to believe unilaterally removing tariffs in the US was the best way to go economically. But then foreign governments erect trade barriers restricting US producers from selling in those countries. See the Wikipedia entry on the Ultimatum Game, for how this works.

  2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    So Canada is as dumb or dumber than Trump?

    1. JFree   2 months ago

      They absolutely are. Canada has made it more difficult to trade east-west among its own provinces than to trade north-south with the US. It is almost irrelevant to global trade if you exclude trade with the US - on exports comparable to Hungary or Luxembourg, on imports comparable to Denmark or Malaysia.

      Even with the one product that the US is dependent on - Canada turns out to be even more dependent because of raw stupidity. Canada supplies nearly 100% of the crude to Midwest and Rockies refineries. But the east coast of Canada relies on crude imports from the US to supply refineries there.

      Canada has built damn near nothing in east/west pipelines or port capacity. Certainly nowhere near enough for exports or natural resources to somewhere else to be an alternative. And is why resource-rich Canada has declined over the last few decades in synch with the decline of manufacturing US. Both are completely financialized and in diapers.

      They are a country with a Kick Me sign and to Trump that is an invitation.

  3. Bhagwad   2 months ago

    Whatever the US's tariff policy is, can we have some predictability at least? Businesses need predictability to make plans.

    So decide the policy, and commit to it for 10 years. If you keep changing it, no business is going to take the risk and modify its investment patterns.

    So pass legislation, take away executive authority to mess with tariffs, and give everyone some certainty.

    1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      "So pass legislation, take away executive authority to mess with tariffs, and give everyone some certainty."

      Trump is already violating the law.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      You've never worked in a business. Conditions change all the fucking time.

      1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

        That's the wonderful thing about the government. It's not a business. Government policy is meant to encourage stability and predictability.

        And equating "changing business conditions" with Trump's daily vacillation - is this a serious comparison?

        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

          There is nothing stable in the real world.

          1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

            Yet there is "less stable" and "more stable". In addition, there is "deliberately unstable".

            We can all appreciate that the world is unpredictable. We cannot appreciate wilful randomness.

            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

              Expecting stability in a non stable world is not a smart play, yet you think it is. Why?

              Now, do regulatory policies. Which one is more burdensome?

              1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

                There is understandable instability (which businesses accept), and unreasonable instability, which businesses avoid.

                No one can predict the unstable impact of an earthquake. But you can prepare for it via insurance. No one can predict the instability of a revolution. But it's a risk you can prepare for.

                However, the leader of a country waking up and changing business policy because of a random impulse is unreasonable instability, and businesses cannot prepare for that. Hence, businesses will not make commitments for instability for which they cannot prepare.

                The US has painstakingly, for decades, built its reputation around avoiding unreasonable stability. It's why countries trust the US as the currency reserve. It is in the US's interests to never change that. Unreasonable instability must be avoided at all costs.

        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Okay, nice non sequitur. Didnt respond to what I said at all.

  4. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

    the White House's official Twitter account shared a photo of a bald eagle tackling a Canadian goose...the goose won.

    OK OK, but next they'll post an image of a Haitian immigrant wringing the neck of and grilling that goose.

  5. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

    The issue is not just about tariffs. It's about sovereignty.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-us-trade-talks-tariffs-trump-lutnick-greer-carney-janice-charette-9.7324707

    Carney has told reporters that at the last minute, the U.S. took issue with Canadian rules that ensure French language content is easy to find on streaming platforms such as Netflix, and that the Americans tried to restrict Canada's ability to strike trade deals with other countries.

    When Trump stoked the fires of nationalism, he did so everywhere. Americans don't like being told what to do by other nations, and quelle surprise, neither do Canadians.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      Americans don't like being told what to do by other nations, and quelle surprise, neither do Canadians.

      Why are they speaking a foreign language ?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

        In Canada, French is not a "foreign" language.

        1. MT-Man   2 months ago

          You think it was just French for Canadian Netflix? That was what we wanted to stop them from having French on their Netflix????? Could you show me that? Or do you think it was more logical we weren't going to do it on the American version?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/canadian-content-streaming-trade-9.7318798

            The Globe and Mail, citing a senior government source, reported Sunday that U.S. negotiators demanded Canada drop requirements for American streaming companies to promote Canadian content, including French-language content.

            Read the whole article. Like it or not, it is what the Canadian government decided upon. If a foreign company wants to operate in America, that company ought to obey American laws, no? So why should American companies operating in Canada be any different? Why should the US government be acting on behalf of companies to get sovereign nations to change their laws on behalf of those companies?

            1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

              Sounds kinda like a tariff.

    2. Bhagwad   2 months ago

      It boggles my mind that Trump is publicly fighting with Canada over this. By going public, he has made it less likely that Canadians will give the US what it wants, because politicians have to pander to voters whose pride Trump hurt.

      If Trump had threatened tariffs on Canada privately, this whole mess could have been avoided. The Canadian public would have never even have known, and a trade deal could have been concluded quietly. No one in the public normally bothers about trade deals, and everyone would have been happy.

      The fact that Trump made this spat public shows me that he doesn't really want a trade deal. It's all about the optics. For him, a win doesn't matter unless it's a public win. So appearances are everything. Unfortunately, if you value appearance, you have to make sacrifices elsewhere. And the cost of valuing appearances, is that you lose on substance - which will take the form of a worse trade deal (or no deal) and soured relations with a neighbor, when the US could have gotten whatever it wanted for free.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        Have you considered the fact that Trump may just be a fucking moron? The evidence is pretty one sided. Everything this administration does is done with complete incompetence.

        Things that are obvious to you or me are impervious to his sociopathic narcissistic mind that thinks everyone love him as much as he loves himself. And his sycophants are too weak to tell him the truth.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Have you considered that Canada is governed by petulant 5 year olds who should not be taken seriously any longer?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Canadas former finance secretary has been repeatedly slapped down by CNBC. Has been funny.

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      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        It boggles my mind that you and your ilk remain ignorant on topics before spouting off.

        There was an agreement available. Carney called it off and went public about it. Because the agreement would end some of the tariffs used by Canada to block US imports. He refused, not Trump. He ended the negotiation, not Trump.

        1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

          Isn't it Trump's job as the "great negotiator and dealmaker" to ensure that the other party doesn't walk away? He's supposed to know the other party's desires and redlines and use his superior skills to get the outcome he wants.

          Right?

          I can do a better job than Trump. I would have offered Canada a public, hand-written letter of apology, co-signed by Vance, and the US ambassador to Canada for their insulting comments. With that, Canada would have signed a deal. And the US would have given up nothing in return. A free win!

          See? I'm a better negotiator than Trump.

          1. damikesc   2 months ago

            No, you're an idiot.

            I figure you don't see the difference

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              I would have gotten a deal without giving up anything in return. Doesn't that make me a better deal maker than Trump, who has been unable to achieve that?

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                What deal? Lol.

                Spiral more. This is getting hilarious.

                1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

                  What deal?

                  The deal that Canada walked away from. The US could have obtained what it wanted with a public letter of apology. It's what I would have done, if I were President.

                  Even better, I would never have publicly insulted Canada to begin with. But now that mistake was made, the price must be paid. Luckily, the price costs the US nothing and completely free. Still, Trump refused to consider it.

                  I would have gotten the deal through without sacrificing even a single US dollar.

                  1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

                    Lol. We had an apologist in chief. That’s why we have trump now.

                    1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

                      Isn't it better to have an "apologist-in-chief", but get richer?

          2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Is it trumps job to force others to agree to something??

            What an unserious person you are.

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              Is it trumps job to force others to agree to something??

              I mean, "force" is a strong word, but definitely "incentivize", yes. It is 100% Trump's job to incentivize others to agree to deals. Isn't that the job of a "dealmaker", particularly a President that ran on that platform?

              That Trump was unable to do this, makes everyone question his ability as a dealmaker.

        2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

          He refused, not Trump. He ended the negotiation, not Trump.

          See Creech's comment above. Canada would be fools to make a deal with Trump at this point. Iran gets it.

        3. Bill Poser   2 months ago

          That's not an accurate characterization. Many of the demands that Trump made have nothing to do with tariffs. Among other things, Trump demanded that Canada no longer require French language labeling on products sold in Canada and that Canada give up the right to make separate agreements with other countries. Carney ended the negotiations because the US made a number of unacceptable demands.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            I get it bill. Youre pro government regulation, such as labeling requirements that add costs for labeling, yet cry about costs from tariffs.

            Make it make fucking sense.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

      FFS the only reason Carney won his election is because Trump was talking shit about Canada during their election season, and Carney's opponent was perceived as being too much like Trump. Carney is literally a reactionary response to Trump's imperialistic demands. Trump is too dumb to understand this and his advisors don't care about Canada's sovereignty or about anyone or anything except themselves.

      1. Dillinger   2 months ago

        >>FFS the only reason Carney won his election is because Trump was talking shit about Canada

        this tells everybody Canadians are stupider than everybody already believed

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          Yeah, that doesn’t say anything good about Canadians.

          That would have been like people voting for Kamala because Europeans were talking shit about America. Wait…

  6. Weigel's Cock Ring   2 months ago

    Some basic economic facts about Canada: Canada's nominal per capita GDP is two-thirds that of the United States as a whole, and lower than that of 46 out of 50 individual U.S. states.

    Canada is the 38th largest country in the world by population, but the largest Canadian-based company, Royal Bank of Canada, ranks just 58th in the world by total market capitalization.

    These pitiful and embarrassing facts exist despite the fact that Canada has:

    -A similar history to the U.S.
    -A similar cultural heritage as the U.S.
    -Incredibly abundant natural resources.
    -And practically unlimited tracts of uninhabited land to exploit.

    Why such an enormous disparity between the two countries that really shouldn't exist? Because for the most part, America believes in free trade and free market capitalism, while Canada mostly believes in socialism, protectionism, high taxation, and heavy-handed bureaucracy and government regulation. Canada doesn't even have true free trade amongst its own provinces!

    It also helps a lot that America's founders created an ingenious federalist system that deliberately made it extremely difficult for the two or three biggest states to completely control the rest of the country, whereas in Canada, the less populated provinces that would like to operate with a freer hand are completely overwhelmed and subjected politically by their communist overlords in Ontario and Quebec.

    Boil it all down, and honest person putting their emotions aside can possibly that America is mostly doing it right, and Canada is mostly doing it wrong by comparison and would be smart to emulate America more when it comes to economics.

    1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

      Might I suggest that if you are in the US, then how Canada runs its country is none of your business?

      Like seriously, why do you care?

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        It does not matter to anybody. Just funny to point out how failed a country Canada is.

        1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

          If you write a long wall of text on something, it sure looks like it matters.

          Read the comment. The tone is not humorous. It's pissed off.

          1. damikesc   2 months ago

            Nah. Well done mockery. As they warrant. Pointing out that we started at similar points and they failed so magnificently is always worth mention.

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              For it to be "well done", there must be no doubt that it's mockery. I'm not convinced. Hence, it's not well-done.

              Besides, relying on economic indicators for which country is doing better - is dubious.

              I'll give you an example. Germany's per-capita GDP is less than the US's poorest state. Yet...which moron would choose to be born and live in Mississippi rather than Germany, of their own free will?

              1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

                What’s wrong with Mississippi?

              2. Weigel's Cock Ring   2 months ago

                Besides, relying on economic indicators for which country is doing better - is dubious.

                This entire discussion is about economics, what metric would you prefer we use?

                ...which moron would choose to be born and live in Mississippi rather than Germany, of their own free will?

                Gee I don't know, a Holoicaust survivor maybe?

                1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

                  I wouldn't use any number in isolation to judge the desirability of living in a country.

                  Except maybe inflation, hyperinflation success.

                  As for Holocaust survivors, I don't see why they would have a problem with modern Germany. But I get it. Emotional residue and all that. But that's not what we're discussing, is it?

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Are you aware that Canadian tariffs and regulatoons affect imports from American business?

        1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

          And US tariffs affect Canada. So what? This is normal - every country has some kind of tariffs or the other.

          Trump's idiocy was making it public. Now everyone will get a worse outcome.

          1. damikesc   2 months ago

            He did not make it public. Carney did.

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              The trade war started with Trump's public announcement of 25% and 50% tariffs on Canada. Did he not go in front of cameras and talk publicly about it?

              What about "Liberation Day"? That was private or public? Was there any reason to make it public? Couldn't he have threatened Europe, China etc. privately?

              It's all for show. Private threats would have resulted in better deals. Now the US is getting worse deals because of it.

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                It started with Carney publicly pulling out of negotiations dumbfuck.

                1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

                  Carney pulled out of negotiations last week. Trump's tariff threats started 2 years ago. The well was poisoned as soon as he did that. And the consequences are being felt today.

                  Was there a need for Trump to publicly announce his tariffs two years ago?

          2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Again, as told to you above, Carney publicized it dumbass. He publicly pulled out of the negotiations. Why do you continue to lie?

            1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

              What am I lying about, exactly? Are you denying that the latest US-Canada trade war started two years ago? Or is it something that just started last week?

      3. Weigel's Cock Ring   2 months ago

        If they (you?) are going to constantly lecture us, criticize us, and complain about us, we get to respond in kind. That's how this works.

        My basic facts clearly triggered you for some reason, probably because you can't dispute any of them. For that, I am (not) sorry.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Canada is also dead last for OECD countries on terms of growth.

  7. mad.casual   2 months ago

    Free trade is not an eagle and a goose fighting over a frozen lake.

    Good Lord. Even if this was written by AI, the people opposed to data centers might have a point.

  8. Agammamon   2 months ago

    Reason, where is the sob story article about Milo? You all seem pretty happy about his kidnapping and deportation . . .

    And where are the stories castigating the Spanish for their military response to what is totally not an invasion?

    Or the story about the food truck we lost to the Congo?

    Its almost as if you guys are *pro*-immigration now.

  9. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    No. Canada isn't ripping us off. US [D]emon-craps did that to us.
    but just like everything they do; they're blame-shifting their spending onto the billing.
    How will [D]emon-crap coastal importers call their ?free? sh*t ?free? if they have to be taxed?

    Sorry. I'm not buying the BS that if there wasn't a massive debt and there was no US Tariffs being imposed that the Trump Administration would be raising Tariffs substantially.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Hello. Tariffs was the original Constitutional means to fund the National Government.
      Why wouldn't the national trade market be exactly where that revenue should be gathered?

  10. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises

    No Taxation without Representation!

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Didn't you hear...
      The FDR-trifecta "New" [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire "Deal" VOIDED that by [D]emo n cra p/cy RULES.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      He utilized laws passed by congress dummy.

      1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        UN-Constitutional laws that should be repealed or ruled against.
        The constant partisan battle on the subject really demonstrates just how important a true USA is.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        I forgot that laws passed by Congress carry more legal weight then the Constitution itself. Glad I have such a smart guy ike you to remind me.

        Next up from JessieAOC, explaining why Heller was ruled incorrectly because legislation beats constitution.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          I get it. You dont know how the constitution works. Ive known this for years buddy.

          Executing laws passed by congress is kind of how the constitution works dummy.

          Comparing a dutifully passed power of congress by law and comparing it to Heller, a power congress doesnt have, just shows how much of a retarded shit weasel you are though. So kudos?

          1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

            I think you can agree that "No Taxation without Representation!" is a center stone to the US Constitution.

            Think you can also agree that the Constitution doesn't give Congress an enumerated power to implement Presidential dictated taxation.

            It was yet another, of many, violations of the US Constitution that [D]emon-craps implemented.

            But you are correct in that it is 100% leftard blame-shifting their own Constitutional Violations onto Trump. As they always do.

            1. DesigNate   2 months ago

              More than blame shifting, they (leftist) will magically forget they ever disagreed with the idea of the president setting tariffs the second a Democrat gets elected. Because it’s not about the power, it’s about the person wielding it.

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

            2. Congress is not permitted by the Constituti6n to abdicate, or to transfer to others, the essential legislative functions" with which it is vested.

            Schretcher Poultry Corp . Vs USA

            But keep arguing for a living constitution.

  11. Nelson   2 months ago

    We’re rapidly getting to the point where the default is anything the Trump as administration does is assumed to be foolish, ignorant, and bad for Americans unless compelling evidence otherwise can be found.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Thank you for your self-realization admission but I think everyone already knew that about you.

  12. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

    Funny how Reason never cares about the aggression from totalitarian Leftists but if anyone fights back it's full on histrionic wailing.

  13. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Meanwhile tge retard Boehms im canada are bragging about closer chinese interests.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canada-china-relations-trade-war-trump-tariffs/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Let's see how that works out.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      I bet China totally respects Canada and takes them hyper seriously.

      Carney might need to learn that nobody respects a doormat.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Submission to china has worked great for Europe!

  14. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 months ago

    The reality is that Canadian markets are more closed to USA exporters than the USA is closed to Canadian exporters.

    For all the whining, Canada imposes triple digit tariffs for exports over a quota of several categories. The USA does not impose anywhere close to triple digit tariffs on any Canadian imports.

    Is the trade war stupid, yes it is, but Canada is not innocent of imposing protectionist tariffs and triple digit tariffs are obscene.

    1. Bhagwad   2 months ago

      The USA does not impose anywhere close to triple digit tariffs on any Canadian imports.

      In 2017, The US imposed 219% duties on 150-seat large civil aircraft from Canada.

      triple digit tariffs are obscene.

      Does it really matter if the tariff quota is not even halfway met? The tariffs are so far away from being collected that these are just nominal numbers with no impact.

      Why do you care what the number says when it has zero impact?

      1. Fast Eddie   2 months ago

        Didn't that have something to do with Bombardier dumping on the U.S.?

  15. Benitacanova   2 months ago

    Canawho?

  16. rbike   2 months ago

    I have laughed a bit at this.

  17. Fast Eddie   2 months ago

    More noticeable is the deafening silence from Unions. You would think they would be the loudest supporters. Instead they go out and put a checkmark next to the D.

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