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Supreme Court

Gorsuch, Barrett, and Roberts Raise Fatal Objections to Trump's Birthright Citizenship Order

Understanding the Supreme Court’s oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara.

Damon Root | 4.2.2026 9:47 AM

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President Donald Trump made history yesterday at the U.S. Supreme Court when he became the first sitting president on record to attend a SCOTUS oral argument. Unfortunately for Trump, his presence, however attention-grabbing, is unlikely to sway the outcome of a case that he has always deserved to lose.

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At issue in yesterday's oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara is the president's 2025 executive order that purports to deny the constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship to U.S.-born children whose parents are unlawful immigrants or lawful temporary visitors.

According to Trump's solicitor general, John Sauer, the overriding factor for determining birthright citizenship should be whether or not a newborn's parents were "domiciled" in the United States, a term he defined to mean "lawful presence with the intent to remain permanently."

Yet as Justice Neil Gorsuch pointed out, "you don't see domicile mentioned in the [congressional] debates" over the 14th Amendment, which enshrined birthright citizenship in the Constitution. "We have the—the child's citizenship, and the focus of the clause is on the child, not on the parents," Gorsuch said. "The absence" of the word domicile—a word which is the centerpiece of Trump's entire case—"is striking."

Gorsuch also noted another fatal flaw in the government's position. "Today, you can point to laws against immigration that are much more restrictive than they were in 1868," Gorsuch said. "If somebody showed up here in 1868 and established domicile, that was perfectly fine without respect to anything, any—any immigration laws." Which means, Gorsuch told Sauer, "why wouldn't we, even if we were to apply your own test, come to the conclusion that the fact that someone might be illegal is immaterial?"

In other words, if the Supreme Court sticks to the circa-1868 meaning of domicile, which Sauer himself said that it should, then that term, as originally understood at the time of the 14th Amendment's ratification, would cut against Trump's executive order.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett then raised an even more ominous issue for the Trump administration. What about "the children of slaves who were brought here unlawfully…in defiance of laws forbidding the slave trade," Barrett asked Sauer. "You can imagine that their parents were not only brought here in violation of United States law but were here against their will and so maybe felt allegiance to the countries to where they were from." And "let's say they don't have an intent to stay. They want to escape and go back the second they can. Are they domiciled?"

This was a very dangerous query for Sauer, and his struggle to respond to it coherently suggested that he understood the peril he was in. After all, if the Trump administration's theory is correct, and "domicile" requires "the intent to remain permanently," as Sauer said it did, then the U.S.-born child of an enslaved person who wanted "to escape and go back" would clearly not qualify for birthright citizenship under the Trumpian view. And the descendants of such persons, born today, would also be ineligible for birthright citizenship under the Trumpian view, if applied retroactively.

The reason why that logic is so disastrous for Trump is because the Trump administration has repeatedly conceded that one of the undeniable purposes of the 14th Amendment was to make citizens out of all enslaved black Americans and their descendants. Yet if Trump's theory wins, that one undeniable purpose of the amendment would be nullified because the U.S.-born children of some enslaved people would not qualify for birthright citizenship after all.

That line of questioning from Barrett might be enough by itself to spell legal doom for Trump's executive order.

Chief Justice John Roberts offered another damning analysis of the Trump administration's case. After Sauer claimed that "the 19th century Framers of this amendment" could "not possibly" have approved of "birth tourism" or other supposed modern problems that have been allegedly caused by birthright citizenship, Roberts observed that such contemporary policy arguments have zero bearing on the case at hand. "You do agree," Roberts pressed Sauer, "that that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?"

Sauer struggled a bit in response to that one, too, before finally asserting that "we're in a new world now," one "where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a—a child who's a U.S. citizen."

"Well, it's a new world," Roberts replied. "It's the same Constitution."

That reply by the chief justice perfectly illustrated the bankruptcy of Trump's entire position. Instead of following the straightforward text and history of the 14th Amendment, the Trump administration wants the Supreme Court to adopt a tortured and unpersuasive new theory that rests on a different word that appears nowhere in the text of the Constitution and, as Gorsuch noted, is also strikingly absent from the relevant congressional debates. At the same time, in a case that's supposed to be about the original meaning of a constitutional provision, the Trump administration is wasting the Court's time with non-legal, modern-day anti-immigration arguments that, as the chief justice pointed out, are totally irrelevant to the originalist and textualist analysis that the Supreme Court is actually performing.

Gorsuch, Barrett, and Roberts probably hold the swing votes in this case. If they remain as skeptical of Trump's position as they sounded during oral arguments, the president's executive order is in big trouble.

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Damon Root is a senior editor at Reason and the author of A Glorious Liberty: Frederick Douglass and the Fight for an Antislavery Constitution (Potomac Books). His next book, Emancipation War: The Fall of Slavery and the Coming of the Thirteenth Amendment (Potomac Books), will be published in June 2026.

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  1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   3 hours ago

    There is no such thing as birthright citizenship. If retard spic jumps across the border, pops out a child, the child is the citizen of retard spics country of origin

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

      Doesn't even require that as we see with china. Can just take a boat to an island that's a protectorate and make the claim.

      Basically reason condones the idea that a foreign nation can attempt control at US institutions merely through crossing the border and popping out new citizens. Thr US has no say in the matter.

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      1. Murray Rothtard   2 hours ago

        We do have a lot of say in the matter. We can amend the constitution. The process is very straightforward.

        You sound like the lefty Marxist gun grabbers who are pissed off about the 2nd ammendment. "Why do we have no say on gun control?!?!"

        You do. Shut the fuck up, and try to amend the constitution the right way. Executive fiat is bs.

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

          The amendment doesnt need to be amended retard. The wording and discussions of congress at the time are clear.

          Just because you struggle with English doesnt mean they did at the time.

          Ironically you make the claim that changing it to full birth right, not the wording or intention, done through courts and basically ignoring the wording is the preferable manner.

          Under jurisdiction was intentionally added for a reason. Meaning full jurisdiction. The US already had claims of territorial jurisdiction prior to 14a. So adding it would be superfluous in your world. Yet the intentional adding of it shows what their intention was.

          Stay retarded.

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          1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 hours ago

            Even if this is the case, which it's not, where has Congress delegated the power over naturalization (Art 1, Sec 8) to the President to be able to dictate by Executive Order?

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          2. Murray Rothtard   2 hours ago

            "The amendment doesnt need to be amended retard. The wording and discussions of congress at the time are clear."

            we actually 100% agree here. the wording and discussions of congress at the time are very clear. and for 150 years, everyone has agreed on how insanely simply clear they were.

            And then Steven Miller gave Trump and all you tards brain worms, and here we are. All of a sudden the plain obvious text means the opposite. you really sound like the fuckin lefties telling me i need to be part of a well-regulated militia in order to own a handgun. it's right there in the text!!

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            1. MollyGodiva   48 minutes ago

              For the bulk of US history the 2A was about militias. It was only in the 2008 when the Republican SCOTUS changed the meaning of 2A to individual.

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              1. SRG2   39 minutes ago

                That may well be true, but 2A recognised a pre-existing right KBA and though it provided a rationale for preventing it from being infringed, the existence of the right was not conditioned on membership of a militia.

                The BoR does not, after all, grant rights.

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                1. MollyGodiva   24 minutes ago

                  The 2A did not condition firearms on being in the militia. The 2A protected the militias themselves. No individual right at all.

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                  1. Leo Kovalensky II   20 minutes ago

                    This is as dumb of a take as Jesse's with respect to 14A.

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        2. Moderation4ever   2 hours ago

          You nailed it. The answer for Rev Arthur, Trump and MAGA is a constitutional amendment. Simple and something for them to start work on while they leave the rest of us alone.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

            I like how you retards assume your incorrect reading forces others to clarify. Instead of reading the congressional records at the time and other laws passes at the same time to clarify.

            Fucking retarded parodies.

            KBJ levels of retards.

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            1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 hours ago

              Or you can read the plain language of the amendment, which is the argument 2A advocates (correctly) use to argue their position.

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            2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

              Another retarded parody has responded. Hi Leo!

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              1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 hours ago

                I guess we'll see when this one ends up 7-2 or 8-1 against Trump. I suppose it will be the fault of all those "radical lefty lunatic" justices appointed by GW Bush and Trump.

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                1. SRG2   36 minutes ago

                  FWIW as I posted over on VC, I think Alito joins in part and dissents in part. After reading the transcript, I concluded that Alito could decide that children born here of non-residents lawfully present have citizenship, while children born here of people illegally here do not. Thomas probably goes along with that, so, 8-1 counting each part as 1/2,

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        3. Azathoth!!   42 seconds ago

          There is no need for a new amendment.

          This is very simple.

          If a person in the US but not a citizen has access to recourse through a foreign embassy they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction'. They are subject to the treaty terms their country has agreed to with regard to the US.

          It's that simple.

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    2. Murray Rothtard   2 hours ago

      Being consistently wrong seems to make you really angry.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

        Lol! From the group of retards that has been wrong on 90% of appeals court rulings. Hilarious.

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 hours ago

          You ignore that Trump has only appealed something like 5% of his district court losses. 90% of 5% means he has been right only 4.5% of the time, and wrong 95.5% of the time.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

            This is retarded sarc like construction. My god man. When you get butt hurt you go full sarc.

            You do realize that appeals court rulings and scotus rulings affect more than just one rulings right? Right??

            Lol.

            You also make the retarded assumption that if a case doesnt make it to appeals, trump was wrong. Which is even more retarded of a take.

            So we have appeals rulings effecting hundreds of rulings, you state that those count against trump. Then you count cases not yet gone to appeals as trump being wrong.

            My god man. Fucking stop going full sarc with your retarded takes because youre butthurt.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

              I'll give you a recent example sarcTG, because you seem incapable of rational thought.

              A month or so ago reason had multiple articles about the 400 rulings against trump regarding bails for illegals in Minnesota. The appeals court just ruled bail is not required for illegals under INA. This is after the 5th ruled the same. Effecting hundreds of other attempts at the same inferior courts.

              So with 2 rulings there are 1000+ rulings overturned.

              Yet in your sarc like construction trump only has 2 wins in 1000 instead of all 1000.

              Youre a real fucking idiot at times.

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              1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   1 hour ago

                'Desperation' is a stinky cologne Jesse.

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            2. Stupid Government Tricks   25 minutes ago

              Didn't rebut squat. Didn't answer the comment. Nothing's changed.

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  2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

    Damon is coping pretty hard. Because those 3 also recognized the absurdity of KBJs argument which mirrors the absurdity of damons prior takes.

    “I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen to, you know, under Japanese law, go and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So there’s this relationship based on — even though I’m a temporary traveler, I’m just on vacation in Japan, I’m still locally owing allegiance in that sense. Is that the right way to think about it?”

    The congressional record didnt use the term domicile yells Damon. No. But it talks about complete jurisdiction. And to get to where Damon wants to go you have to believe the idiocy of KBJ right there.

    Territorial jurisdiction is practiced by all countries. This doesnt make them legal vassals of a country. The 3 mentioned recognized this despite their questions on the word domicile.

    Ark involved legal residents. Not illegal ones. Not temporary visitors. In fact laws around the time, which sauer discussed, recognized the same issue.

    Alito and Thomas once again were the most logical in construction.

    The 14a was never even an amendment on immigration. Its purpose was to free and recognize slaves as citizens. Not to br a forward control mechanism.

    Damon knows this, he is just ignorant.

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    1. Minadin   2 hours ago

      If he knows it, he's not ignorant, he's willfully obtuse.

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  3. Minadin   2 hours ago

    It has just been revealed that 320,000 children, nearly 9% of all U.S. births, were born to unauthorized or temporary migrant mothers.

    Data from 2023.

    https://x.com/jackunheard/status/2039450860506288205

    And of course, they then immediately qualify for welfare programs (at a much higher rate than babies born to citizens and legal immigrants):

    https://x.com/acathleen5/status/2039479578142404633

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    1. MollyGodiva   45 minutes ago

      In the US we try not to let our baby citizens be homeless and starving. Look how low MAGAs are when they are for babies being homeless and starving.

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  4. Spiritus Mundi   2 hours ago

    Gorsuch, Barrett, and Roberts Raise Fatal Objections to Trump's Birthright Citizenship Order...

    Meanwhile, KBJ quietly eats a crayon in the corner and looks around for loose wallets.

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  5. Moderation4ever   2 hours ago

    Birthright citizenship is well established in the US by amendment, laws, and court decisions. Those who wish to end it have no easy way to change the law. There is only the hard work of a Constitutional Amendment but I don't see "hard work" as feature of the MAGA movement.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

      Which is why a law had to be passed after the 14a to include two other classes of people born domestically in the US.

      You retards still cant answer why those laws were needed if your claims are true.

      Or explain why repatriation of Mexicans was allowed in the 1900s including their children.

      You just make up an incorrect theory and yell it was always that way. Arguments from ignorance.

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      1. MollyGodiva   43 minutes ago

        In 1868 most Indians lived on Reservations that had their own laws separate from the US. They were not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

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  6. Snowcrash   1 hour ago

    A case that shows how broken the US political system is.

    The administration is trying to force through a blatantly unconstitutional and broad, potentially disastrously retroactive order because it has burnt any and all legislative bridges that would solve the supposed "birth tourism" problem through the means it is supposed to - congress.

    And when it does die in the eventual SCOTUS decision, the administration will rail against the (very correct) SCOTUS decision, instead of looking inwards on why it even attempted such maximalist crap in the first place.

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    1. MollyGodiva   41 minutes ago

      There is no need to pass laws to deal with "birth tourism". It is already legal for CBP to deny entry to pregnant women.

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      1. Snowcrash   35 minutes ago

        Well in theory one could claim asylum and not be turned away at the border (currently). Not a lawyer of course but I don't know the super specifics of any case.

        Regardless, I am very, very unconvinced that "birth tourism" is an actual apt issue. Especially by "enemies of the US", when most of the people from i.e. Latin America want to live in the US. When it pertains to "Chinese billionaires buying citizenship", as Trump claims, maybe he should first end his "Golden Visa" program which allows exactly that behavior, if it so vexes him.

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        1. mad.casual   12 minutes ago

          Not a lawyer of course

          You don't have to say it. We know.

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          1. Snowcrash   6 minutes ago

            Knowing when to admit one's biases and unknowables is a source of strength that you could learn from.

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  7. TJJ2000   1 hour ago

    Perfect example of ?honorable? justices not have the common-sense of a grade school-er.

    "After enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 by overriding a presidential veto,[20][21] some members of Congress supported the Fourteenth Amendment in order to eliminate doubts about the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act of 1866"

    The 14th Amendment was literally a Constitutional Amendment for the Civil Rights Act of 1866. What exactly says the CRA 1866?

    "all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power"

    Common-Sense 101. If you are a subject of Mexico, Iran, etc, etc... You do not get 'born' as a US citizens. This is simple common-sense only diluted by agenda driven BS ignorance. The only way subject-of (national identity) can be switched is via naturalization process utilized as a power of congress.

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    1. Snowcrash   60 minutes ago

      BS ignorance indeed, because you're completely unaware of the 1898 SCOTUS decision that decided exactly what you say is "BS". Specifically that a person born in the US and subject to a foreign power (China) is actually indeed a US citizen:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

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      1. Dillinger   53 minutes ago

        yes yes you have the special cite proving everyone wrong.

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        1. Snowcrash   49 minutes ago

          I don't, the Supreme Court did. I am simply reading things before posting.

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        2. mad.casual   38 minutes ago

          The cite that he *thinks* proves everyone wrong.

          Like SCOTUS hasn't, even recently, looked at the fuller context and decided "Holy Shit! There *isn't* actually a federally protected right to abortion or affirmative action or be unquesitonably subject to federal administrative bodies or be free from taxation without even being physically present..."

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          1. Snowcrash   33 minutes ago

            SCOTUS debated Wong kim ark and any split decision will come from their individual readings of it. Of course they're looking at the fuller context. You can read this article as well as the transcript of the oral hearings to understand how they read it and why they are so hostile to the government's case (or sympathetic, in the cases of Alito and Thomas)

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            1. mad.casual   16 minutes ago

              You can read this article as well as the transcript of the oral hearings to understand how they read it and why they are so hostile to the government's case (or sympathetic, in the cases of Alito and Thomas)

              If you actually read the transcript first, hostile is a subjective interpretation and the citation of the article is a biased reading affirming the preferred interpretation.

              As indicated below, you don't care about due process or objective interpretations or equality, you care about your preferred narratives and that your perceived opposition loses. That's neither moral nor just and even undermines your invocation of precedence.

              And the more you do it, the more unscrupulous it makes you look.

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              1. Snowcrash   14 minutes ago

                Ok well we'll see if my subjective reading is accurate in a couple of months. In the meanwhile, I disagree with your subjective opinion of my arguments.

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                1. mad.casual   11 minutes ago

                  Ok well we'll see if my subjective reading is accurate in a couple of months.

                  No we won't. You won't be here in a couple of months.

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                  1. Snowcrash   7 minutes ago

                    Oh I've been around, I just don't always engage in comment sections. I will gloat about this eventual decision though.

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      2. TJJ2000   35 minutes ago

        BS ignorance indeed.
        Are you unaware that SCOTUS didn't write the US Constitution?
        Which is precisely the evil in SCOTUS legislating naturalization from the bench.
        If SCOTUS determines immigrant citizenship why even have a 'naturalization' power for congress at-all.

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        1. Snowcrash   31 minutes ago

          SCOTUS is interpreting the constitution (including the 14th amendment). It did not write it, the framers did. In 1898 it interpreted the 14th amendment to apply to non-US citizens having children in the US in general, and apparently in 2026 it will reaffirm this interpretation.

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          1. TJJ2000   13 minutes ago

            Interpret it as passed or a made-up agenda?

            14A Author - Congressman John Bingham (Congressional Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., June–July 1866), ""The words 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' are construed, in my judgment, to mean subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States — that is, to the dominion and protection of the United States, and owing no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty..."

            My goodness. Almost the exact SAME words in the CRA of 1866.

            Those of 'foreign sovereignty' are NOT included in 'born' citizenship.

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            1. Snowcrash   8 minutes ago

              Great, then the Supreme Court will surely indicate so in its opinion accepting the government's position. Surely there will be no counter-argument (i.e. "You find very obscure references to excuse what is a very straightforward text" - or equivalent, from the oral hearings)
              No reason to worry 😉

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    2. SRG2   32 minutes ago

      Common sense 101. Language discussed in Congess but not present in the Amendment was intentionally excluded from the Amendment and hence is not relevant to an understanding of it.

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  8. Dillinger   54 minutes ago

    I have faith the Supreme Court will not destroy America with one ruling.

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    1. Snowcrash   48 minutes ago

      Same. I have full faith that SCOTUS will not randomly upend ~150 years of precedent just because some president (whose ancestors arrived in this country way after the precedent existed) decided to issue an executive order.

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      1. Dillinger   27 minutes ago

        you can keep your precedent and the Supreme Court can still not ruin America with one ruling I don't care about who is here now

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        1. Snowcrash   23 minutes ago

          Well maybe the government should field a different case then.

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          1. Dillinger   14 minutes ago

            shouldn't matter. nobody should go to law school pass a bar exam and stand in front of the SC telling them "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means anything other than exactly what it means. the rest of all this is utter nonsense. theater for sake of ego.

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            1. Snowcrash   12 minutes ago

              What DID it mean, in 1898? That is what the SC was arguing. Language changes and therefore such questions are valid. At the time of the 14th amendment for example "immigration" was a distinctly different concept for the US than it is now.

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              1. mad.casual   7 minutes ago

                Language changes and therefore such questions are valid.

                I thought you were invoking 150 yrs. of precedence based on an originalist interpretation of the written word?

                Now you're saying it didn't mean what it used to mean and it needs updated?

                Good thing you made sure to inform us you weren't a lawyer.

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                1. Snowcrash   5 minutes ago

                  I'm saying that "jurisdiction" then did not mean what it does now. The government argues that it does. I agree with you that they need a better lawyer.

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      2. mad.casual   21 minutes ago

        You realize that if it were Constitutional, it would have 250 yrs. of precedence, right?

        You realize that, if it were 150 yrs. of precedent, then Congress wouldn't have had to legislate on Puerto Rican or Hawaiian or Filipino or Cuban or other citizenship, right?

        You realize that even relatively stupid people can look at Jus Soli citizenship and Jus Sanguinis citizenship and see that one is overtly populist/colonist and the other is overtly nationalist and that, repeatedly in history over the last 150 yrs., various instantiations of the latter have exploited the former to claim governance in places like Czechoslovakia or the Donbas or Sudan, right? They can see that even though places like Greece, Finland, Japan, and Switzerland aren't Jus Soli citizenship countries, that doesn't in any real way make them anti-free market or anti-democratic or anti-liberty or ethnic nationalists; certainly not any moreso than places like Venezuela or Guatemala or Iran that are, right?

        People aren't dumb even if you're iteratively and willfully stupid. Everybody with a home sports team understands the idea of "I don't care who wins as long as [my rival] loses." isn't a fair or egalitarian position, certainly not as fair as "I want to see [my team] win but as long as everybody's playing the same game by the same rules, that's what's important." They can see that the former, rather than the latter, is the motivating factor for maintaining the Jus Soli vs. Jus Sanguinis asymmetry.

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        1. Snowcrash   15 minutes ago

          There's such a thing as AMENDING the constitution. Specifically in this case the 14th amendment.

          I completely disregard the argument of what other countries do re:citizenship. I don't care what they do, they also don't have 1A/2A so they can shove it.

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          1. mad.casual   4 minutes ago

            I completely disregard the argument of what other countries do re:citizenship. I don't care what they do, they also don't have 1A/2A so they can shove it.

            I already said that you don't actually care about human rights, individual liberty, or equality, you don't have to keep affirming it.

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            1. Snowcrash   34 seconds ago

              Aren't you the one arguing for lesser countries with less respect for all of the above?

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    2. Leo Kovalensky II   35 minutes ago

      A bit dramatic, don't you think. Wong Kim Ark was decided in 1898. Did that destroy America?

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      1. TJJ2000   31 minutes ago

        Lets see. [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] largely came to the USA from 1912 (FedRes) and the 1920s (FDR).
        That and ignoring the duty to 'shall protect each of them against Invasion'. YES. Why YES it has.
        88%+ of Immigrants vote for a [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire.
        The USA is not a Nazi-Empire.

        So again; YES, Yes it has and will continue to destroy America.
        ...because [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] won't LEARN from their refugee mistakes.
        They just conquer and consume then move-on to the next greener pasture to conquer and consume.

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      2. Dillinger   26 minutes ago

        Marbury v. Madison set the whole fucking thing off course

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        1. SMP0328   13 minutes ago

          You think a federal court should enforce a law that it believes is unconstitutional? That would force federal judges to be accessories to violations of the Constitution.

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  9. SMP0328   34 minutes ago

    I keep thinking of how Chief Justice Roberts likes to give at least a small victory to both sides in any high-profile case. In Trump v. Barbara, he could get a majority to rule that federal law provides for birthright citizenship and that such citizenship cannot be revoked. The majority then says it is unnecessary for the Court to rule on the Citizenship Clause. This would be small victory for President Trump and Congressional Republicans, because he would pressure Congress to change the law and they would highlight this attempt in their campaigns.

    Roberts tried this in Dobbs, but there was a solid majority for overruling Roe and Casey. There is no solid majority either way in this case.

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