The Feds Who Killed Alex Pretti Are Heavily Shielded From Being Sued. Blame the Supreme Court for That.
It is nearly impossible to sue a rights-violating federal agent under current caselaw.
If Alex Pretti had been pepper-sprayed, thrown to the ground, disarmed, and repeatedly shot by Minnesota police after exercising his First Amendment right to record law enforcement and his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as a lawful conceal-carry permit holder, Pretti's family would be able to sue the officers involved under Section 1983 of Title 42 of the U.S. Code, which says that state officials may be sued in federal court when they allegedly violate someone's constitutional rights. Such a lawsuit would be at least one way for the grieving family to seek justice in the wake of Pretti's horrific and seemingly lawless killing.
But Pretti was not killed by state or local police. He was killed by agents of the U.S. Border Patrol. And thanks to a series of flawed rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, such federal agents are heavily shielded from facing any civil liability for conduct that violates constitutional rights.
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It did not have to be this way. In Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (1971), the Supreme Court allowed federal officers to be sued in federal court for alleged Fourth Amendment violations. "That damages may be obtained for injuries consequent upon a violation of the Fourth Amendment by federal officials should hardly seem a surprising proposition," noted the majority opinion of Justice William Brennan. "Historically, damages have been regarded as the ordinary remedy for an invasion of personal interests in liberty."
But a majority of the Supreme Court has taken a different view in more recent years. They see Bivens as a case of judicial activism, in which the "liberal" Court of the 1970s overstepped its proper bounds. The late conservative Justice Antonin Scalia was a prominent proponent of this complaint. He once denounced Bivens as "a relic of the heady days in which this Court assumed common-law powers to create causes of action."
One problem with the Scalia view is that federal judges were already imposing damages against rogue federal officers well before the heady days of 1971. In fact, none other than Chief Justice John Marshall was doing it back in the even headier days of the early American republic. In Little v. Barreme (1804), for example, Marshall found a U.S. naval officer liable for trespass after he seized a ship based on an illegitimate presidential order. "The law must take its course," Marshall's ruling declared, "and he must pay such damages as are legally awarded against him."
In other words, there is nothing in American legal history that requires the Supreme Court—in either Scalia's day or our own—to render Bivens a dead letter. Just as Webster Bivens was permitted to sue the federal agents who allegedly violated his constitutional rights, so too should the family of Alex Pretti be able to sue the federal agents who allegedly violated Pretti's constitutional rights.
Regrettably, the current Supreme Court seems unlikely to correct its course. As matters currently stand, Bivens has basically been overruled in all but name.
What about Congress? Can the legislative branch of government do anything about it?
One relatively straightforward way for Congress to fix the problem created by SCOTUS would be for Congress to amend the language of Section 1983 so that it covered the constitutional malfeasance of both state and federal officials. Congress could simply codify a Bivens-like cause of action in federal law.
Granted, the idea of the current Congress passing any legislation that might even slightly inconvenience the executive branch does seem hard to imagine. But the balance of power in Congress may change. And perhaps that change will bring with it a greater willingness to counteract the president's agenda. If that happens, codifying Bivens in federal law might not seem like such a long shot.
Until then, we are left in the grips of a dreadful legal regime in which, as Judge Don Willett of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit once protested, "redress for a federal officer's unconstitutional acts is either extremely limited or wholly nonexistent, allowing federal officials to operate in something resembling a Constitution-free zone."
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Earlier:
“We must do as the courts say!”
"It was fine, with the cop even getting an award and bonuses, when they killed Babbit" - Reason
Consistent inconsistency.
No, they are consistently on the side of the Marxists.
Earlier:
“We must do as the district courts say!”
Qualified Immunity exists precisely because of all the frivolous lawsuits you're championing.
Playing willfully-ignorant to all the chain of events doesn't actually add-up to some armed citizen on the side of the road being attacked by ICE. Pretti tried to shove/man-handle an officer who had already warned him once to back-off. There is no Constitutional right to man-handle law enforcement just because you Identify-as champions of illegal invasions.
They don't care.
If they did care, they'd strive for objective reporting of the facts rather than just declaring him to be a lawfully licensed CCW permit holder. Then, *that* would get adjudicated alongside his 1A rights and everything else. Moreover, the *next* time somebody showed up to police action, they'd have the appropriate information to be *more* *legally* armed/prepared to deal with the situation and generate more favorable outcomes all the way around.
Instead, it's mushroom reporting from activists parading as *journalists*, the self-declared standard bearers of the 1A, to keep low-IQ and self-retarding morons goose-stepping around, setting up their own impromptu checkpoints and purging their communities of Jews, untermensch, and similar deplorables.
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with frivolous lawsuits. Qualified immunity only covers cases where the officer did, in fact, violate somone's rights; it's a de facto admission of guilt (if the lawsuit is frivolous the officer will plead not liable). It's based on the principle that LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, unlike the rest of us, can go into court and plead IGNORANCE OF THE LAW.
Cite missing.
Both of you are wrong. QI covers a official who is accused of violating someone's rights but that right has not been previously established. Problem with that is that courts are requiring the prior cases to be factually very close. Also for the right that is recognized, it is required for someone to pay to take the case to the appellate level, but the officer still gets QI for that case and they don't get legal fees. To make it worse, courts can decline to rule at all on the constitutional issue, thus we see the same facts brought to the appeal courts multiple times, they decline to rule, and the official gets QI each time. And all of this is based on the legal fiction that officials are up to date on appellate case law.
My favorite case was one where the officials violated someones right, they got QI, the appellate court ruled the right was violated. Two weeks later that same office violated the same right, and they still got QI.
The lesson here is that it’s stupid to fight cops on the street.
You are really not paying attention at all.
We should all just submit to the government? Thanks, but no thanks.
Not true. A grant of qualified immunity is made before the case goes to trial. At that point it is not known whether the officer "did in fact violate someone's rights." Nor is the QI doctrine based on the officer's ability to plead ignorance of the law. If you're going to keep making things up, at least try to come up with something plausible.
a lawful conceal-carry permit holder
Aside from the fact that he was not, at the time, a lawful conceal-carry permit holder any more than he was a lawfully licensed driver or a pink unicorn.
He was an *otherwise* lawful conceal-carry permit holder the same way he was an otherwise licensed driver, but walking around without his CCW (and a weapon) or his driver's license means he was specifically not as you describe him.
Just ask Kyle Rittenhouse who was licensed to carry his weapon and whom you guys said, "He shouldn't have been there." like there was some law he was breaking by doing so.
You aren't libertarians, you're just authoritarian asshats of a different color.
Again, for a magazine that's *soooo* concerned over the distinction between administrative warrants, bench warrants, search warrants, arrest warrants, whether rounds 2 and 3 fired by Ross were legal, and "Papers, please!" you're awful quick to eschew this specific issue that the rest of us go through every day on the vague specter of penalty of death.
Your peers ask where the pro-2A Republicans are? We're right here. Same place we've always been. Where the hell did you "mostly peaceful"/"we're all in this together" dumbfucks go?
SCOTUS has been pretty consistent on where and when the 2A can be ignored, i.e., where there is a police presence, like a courthouse. There is no overriding need for personal defense when in the presence of police.
The notion that Pretti needed a gun to protect himself from ICE is ludicrous and the chances of any prosecutor overcoming the standard needed to prove a violation of civil liberties is slim outside of a few very blue jurisdictions.
We can be libertarians and believe Pretti was behaving in a dangerously foolish manner and that the consequences were forseeable.
Still not a good shoot, but you're right. Don't engage in agitation and definitely don't get violent with officers when you're armed. Shit gets messy in a hurry.
This is an article about whether we as Americans should ever have the ability to sue federal officers.
It's an interesting issue, and an opportunity for a more interesting discussion than the "that terrorist attacked federal officers! Thank God he's dead!""no he obviously didn't" back and forth that is clearly going nowhere.
Even if you hate Pretti and are thankful he's not around to help women of the ground anymore, being able to sue the officers would give you even one more opportunity to root for him to lose again and celebrate.
You have the ability to sue officers retard. Just not in every instance.
Non retards know this.
You continue to push reddit retard narratices as well while ignoring basic facts, why?
Just not in MOST instances, and certainly not in any novel instances.
You are right that there are a few instances where it's possible. I personally don't believe there are enough.
See, we're having a conversation on the actual topic of the article! A few more personal attacks than necessary, but what are ya gonna do?
"...I personally don't believe there are enough..."
I personally prefer non Retard comments, Retard. Fuck off and die.
You really don't though. Not if it's a federal officer.
You can sue a state officer under 42 U.S.C. § 1883, and the cop will say 'qualified immunity," then you say "nuh uh, the complaint alleges a violation of a clearly established right," and the judge gives a thumbs up or a thumbs down depending on whether there's controlling precedent from the relevant jurisdiction with sufficiently similar facts to put the officer on notice that his conduct was unlawful (or it's so gosh darn obvious that even the most imbecillic officer would have known it).
If you sue a federal officer for doing the exact same thing, he'll say, "this isn't the exact same situation as in Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents," and the judge will agree and give a thumbs down. Case dismissed.
Because § 1983 only creates a cause of action against state and local officials, and unless or until Congress authorizes a similar cause of action against federal officers, there isn't one. Unless it's 1971 and your name is Bivens. Or maybe if it's 1979 and your name is Davis or 1980 and your name is Green. But that's it. Everyone else has to wait for Congress to pass a law.
Even if you hate Pretti and are thankful he's not around to help women of the ground anymore,
I'm way more thankful there's men helping to remove the creatures who rape and murder American women, and not the Pretti-men who actively work to keep the foreign rapists and murderers on American streets. Pretti died obstructing justice. He was not "protesting" jack shit.
So criminals (and Petti was in multiple ways in that moment) should be able to create the circumstances for them to sue? Genius argument from the glue huffers.
I thought Rittenhouse didn't have a license at all. Wasn't that the whole point of the judge saying he fell under state (even though he didn't live in that state) law that the AR ( or whatever he used) fell under longarm exception to minors . Wisconsin being a hunting state.
You don't "think" at all, steaming pile of lying lefty shit.
I don't listen to grey boxes.
Rittenhouse was 18, and in WI, those 18 and older can carry long guns openly, and don’t need a license to do so. For one thing, that is how you go hunting, and hunting is something that a lot of people do, and have done, for over 400 years now in what became the USA. And that was what he was doing - carrying his AR-15 type rifle openly. Just like if he were hunting - except that the WI law doesn’t require anything more of 18-20 year olds to have hunting education before hunting.
Everything else was just BS by armchair attorneys. All gun related charges were dropped before trial, because they lacked a legal foundation.
The guy took a loaded gun to a riot with the intent of participating in the riot. Adios, amigo.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/greg-bovino-demoted-minneapolis-border-patrol/685770/
^paywalled
https://archive.ph/aYe22
^non-paywalled version
Looks like even the Trump admin is finally realizing what a terrible shoot this was. Bovino put out to pasture.
according to a DHS official and two people with knowledge of the change.
The Atlantic non-sourced bullshit.
you prefer ABC?
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/border-czar-homan-set-to-take-over-minnesota-immigration-enforcement-as-white-house-shifts-tone/89-3510b9c2-1518-4e1a-b8f4-0818a7ba2c36
We prefer non Retard, Retard. Fuck off and die.
It looks like a bad shoot. Officers should be held liable to a degree and in this specific instance it sucks if they are shielded.
That said, the dishonest framing and further lies about the circumstances discredit just about everything written about this.
It looks like a bad shoot.
The rest of your post aside, worth going to trial. The rest of your post included, I wouldn't give private security guards performing the exact same actions a chance in Hell in court unless they were of the right political class or employed by the right private entity.
People *still* idolize Luigi Mangione, think Alec Baldwin did nothing wrong, and think Kyle Rittenhouse skated on shooting 3 black people.
"Heavily armed idiot interferes with arrest, gets shot and dies"
Story from beginning to end.
Hahaha, Reeeeason is using the photoshopped imagine of Pretti.
https://thelibertydaily.com/ms-now-thought-alex-pretti-wasnt-pretty-enough/
"The Feds Who Killed Alex Pretti Are Heavily Shielded From Being Sued. Blame the Supreme Court for That."
Wrong answer, Damon.
The only person to blame for Pretti is Pretti for being stupid enough to engage in a fight with a trained and armed federal officer when he himself was carrying a firearm.
Pretti died of blatant stupidity as much as he died from a gunshot wound, and he has only himself to blame.
Nice spin, but there is no evidence the Pretti engaged in a fight with a trained and armed federal officer. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Pretti was filming others who were engaged with untrained and armed federal officers when they attacked him without provocation and killed him execution-style after disarming him while he was face down on the pavement. Do you enjoy being a toadie for the new dictator, or is he paying you?
And about that evidence of Pretti grabbing the agents waste?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/alex-pretti-killing-witness-testimony
Yeah, as if I would trust a leftist rag like the The Guardian to tell the truth.
Pretti was fighting with ICE a week earlier. Now he's fighting with ICE while armed. Darwin award winner.
"... a series of flawed rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court ..."
Those rulings are NOT flawed! Just ASK them! The Supreme Court have become experts in Newspeak and questioning legislation from the bench is an example of thoughtcrime.
Instead of protesting employees who have a job to enforce the laws, you should protest the lawmakers who created the laws if you disagree with the laws.
I don't agree with qualified immunity for anyone, just like I don't agree with protestors who are clearly agitating, impeding, and harassing law enforcement getting the benefit of hiding amongst the actual peaceful protestors with the corporate media manufacturing lies to protect them.
A truly peaceful protestor, does not violate the laws by building barricades or blocking traffic of any sort. Protectors who engage in these unlawful acts should be arrested by the Minneapolis police. The Minneapolis police have a duty and responsibility to enforce the law which includes blocking and obstructing traffic.
Minneapolis police who stand by and don't intervene should not have qualified immunity for the unnecessary death of a person in an ambulance that is prevented from getting to the emergency room in time due to a illegal obstruction.
"Instead of protesting employees who have a job to enforce the laws, you should protest the lawmakers who created the laws if you disagree with the laws."
Uomo, it's not an either-or thing! We can protest both at the same time. No one seems to be saying that these were peaceful protests or peaceful protestors except you. When did you get the idea that only peaceful protest is acceptable? American history goes all the way back to the Boston Massacre with examples of angry Americans violently protesting against tyrannical government. I recommend that you learn a little more history - or stop pretending that you don't know history - before you make yourself look even sillier than you already look.
Federal courts are highly incentivized to maintain current QI protection for FED LE. Once removed it's only a short line from restricting QI immunity for Federal prosecutors which is only a short line from restricting QI for Fed judges.
https://www.rawstory.com/immigration-2675038796/
Leading ICE agent spills on new recruits: 'Idiots'
Sensible 2A advocates (as opposed to whatever Reason pretends to be) are frustrated over yet another misrepresentation of 2A advocacy now, which is the one that suggests that 2A advocacy means advocating aggressive behavior while armed.
I expect this'll end up as a lawsuit against SIG Sauer, alleging that a defect in Pretti's P320 caused it to unintentionally discharge when an ICE officer removed it from his waistband, leading other officers to think Pretti was somehow shooting at them, and causing those officers to fire enough shots to end the perceived threat.
That is potentially an option... so would SIG Sauer then in turn blame the accidental discharge on the officer who was handling it at the time of the discharge?
A sort of intervening factor to break the chain of causation to injury to damages. Hmmm
No one has been able to replicate the un-commanded discharge of the SIG 320 or M17 & M18 handgun. There a several YouTube videos where the Fire Control Group is modified or trigger is staked by a screw. Some have surmised that the handguns that have experienced the event were defective because of tolerance stacking. Both SIG & independent agencies have tested that theory and haven't been able to replicate alleged failure(s). It is apparent that it would require several parts at the spec. limits plus put of spec part or parts to cause the un-commanded discharge.
In the cases where SIG was found liable the judges have allowed testimony from "plaintiff's experts" who don't meet the requirement of being an expert in the subject they are testifying.
The design of the SIG 320's FCG requires more than 2 failures to release the sear from the striker.
"so would SIG Sauer then in turn blame the accidental discharge on the officer who was handling it at the time of the discharge?"
Yup. And Mr. Pretti's heirs/estate would have to argue that the blame lay with Pretti's gun, not the ICE agent who was handling it when it went off.
And then, assuming the plaintiffs' expert could get past the inevitable Daubert challange, a Minneapolis jury would have to decide whether to blame the gun (and plantiffs win) or ICE (and plaintiffs lose).
"It did not have to be this way. In Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (1971), the Supreme Court allowed federal officers to be sued in federal court for alleged Fourth Amendment violations. "
The reason Bivens has been eviscerated is because it is SCOTUS made law, not Congress made law. The reason SCOTUSs since 1971 have whittled it away is that if Congress wants Federal agents to bear the same risk of liability as state and local officials under 42 USC 1983, then Congress must pass legislation/amend 1983 to make them liable.
SCOTUS cannot create that liability out of thin air...
Or, you could say that what SCOTUS gives, on their own volition, they can take away just as easily. Another example was Roe V Wade, built on sands of emanations and penumbras, and demolished just as easily.
The word "immunity" does not appear in the Constitution: nor the word "sovereign." QGFI is entirely made up "judge" law in contravention of separation of powers. Bivens negation of federal actors enables them to violate the Constitution with impunity. The theory of "sovereign immunity" derives from English Law and is anathema to the genius of America. In England, the King is sovereign and the people his subjects. The Revolution was fought to repudiate that idea. In America the people are the sovereign and the government their servants. But only if the servants can be sued and held accountable by their masters in suits at law. Otherwise the "law is an ass."
Good reminder, Kary! "We the people" are the authority, over EVEN the constitution. "We" trump congress, executive, courts, the state.
But...authority has to enforced with violence, when the usurpers are fearless because they have been slowly increasing their treason for 230+ years, with impunity. Got guts? Then prove it! Stop supporting your rulers, your enslavers, your terrorists. YOU encourage them by voting, financing (paying taxes), obedience to "null & void" laws.