DHS Again Promises a Thorough Investigation of a Fatal Shooting After Prejudging the Outcome
"The victims are the Border Patrol agents" who killed Alex Pretti, says one DHS official, who previously claimed Pretti wanted to "massacre law enforcement."
Hours after Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross fatally shot 37-year-old Minneapolis protester Renee Good on January 7, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem said Good was engaged in "domestic terrorism" because she had "weaponize[d] her vehicle" and "attempted to run a law enforcement officer over." Noem averred that Good therefore posed a potentially deadly threat to Ross, "the other officers around him," and the general public, which she said justified Ross' "defensive shots."
After U.S. Border Patrol agents fatally shot 37-year-old Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti on Saturday, Noem likewise portrayed that use of deadly force as obviously justified. "This individual went and impeded their law enforcement operations, attacked those officers, had a weapon on him, and [had] dozens of rounds of ammunition" in two magazines, she said. Pretti, Noem claimed, was "wishing to inflict harm on these officers" by "brandishing [a gun] like that and impeding their work that they were doing." Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino drew a similar picture, saying "this looks like a situation where the individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement."
In both cases, video evidence immediately contradicted what Noem and other Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials had said. The footage suggested that Good was not deliberately trying to run Ross down and that Pretti—an ICU nurse who, like Good, was a U.S. citizen with no criminal record—neither assaulted Border Patrol agents nor threatened them with his handgun, which he was licensed to carry. And in both cases, DHS promised a thorough internal investigation, the outcome of which Noem had already prejudged.
These misleading DHS claims are part of a persistent pattern. "In case after case" across the country, Reason's C.J. Ciaramella noted in October, DHS has shown "a willingness to put false information out to the public and never correct it." Those self-justifying statements suggest that DHS cannot be trusted to tell the truth about its employees' use of force, let alone to ascertain whether it was justified based on a careful and dispassionate consideration of the circumstances.
Bovino illustrated the department's habitual obfuscation and slipperiness during an interview with CNN's Dana Bash on Sunday. Although Noem asserted that Pretti was "brandishing" his pistol, Bash noted, "multiple angles of this incident show him holding up a cell phone and recording it, not a gun." Did Pretti "at any point pull out his weapon?" she asked.
Bovino did not want to answer that question, and the reason seems clear. The videos indicate that the Border Patrol agents did not see the gun until after they tackled Pretti, who apparently provoked their ire by intervening to help a protester whom they had pepper-sprayed and pushed to the ground. After the agents grab and restrain Pretti, someone can be heard saying "gun, gun, gun," and an agent can be seen removing what looks like the pistol that DHS says Pretti was carrying.
Only then do the agents shoot Pretti. They first shoot him in the back at close range as he is kneeling, then fire more rounds into his prone body after he collapses on the pavement. The New York Times reports that "at least 10 shots appear to have been fired within five seconds."
In the face of that evidence, Bovino neither confirmed nor denied his boss's claim that Pretti was "brandishing" a gun. Instead he said, "We do know that the suspect did bring a weapon, a loaded 9-millimeter, high-capacity handgun, to a riot." That answer included several tendentious labels, describing Pretti as "the suspect," a handgun with a standard magazine as "high capacity," and the situation the agents faced as "a riot." But it notably did not include any clarification of whether Pretti ever drew the gun or tried to do so.
Bash asked whether it was reasonable to view Pretti as a threat simply because he was exercising "his Second Amendment right" to bear arms in compliance with state and local law. "We respect that Second Amendment right," Bovino replied, but "those rights don't count when you riot and assault, delay, obstruct, and impede law enforcement officers, and most especially when you mean to do that beforehand."
Bash wondered how Bovino knew that was Pretti's intent. "When you show up to an active crime scene, don't leave the crime scene, and you're armed," he said, "the decision-making process for that individual doesn't seem to be very good."
According to Bovino, the Border Patrol agents were in the process of detaining "a violent illegal alien" when Pretti showed up. That arrest had attracted the attention of several protesters. Pretti, who initially used his cellphone to record the agents' interaction with those people, evidently was moved to intervene when the agents began wielding their pepper spray. He can be seen holding his cellphone in one hand while trying to block the pepper spray with the other.
As Bovino sees it, Pretti thereby was "actively impeding and assaulting law enforcement." He cited 18 USC 111, which applies to someone who "forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with" federal law enforcement officers who are engaged in "the performance of official duties." But the videos do not show Pretti "forcibly" doing anything, let alone "assaulting law enforcement," before the agents decide to take him down.
"Where did he assault [a] federal officer in any of the video that you have seen?" Bash asked. "It looked to us from every angle, sir, that he was approached by them when he was helping another individual who was pushed down. What evidence do you have that he was assaulting any law enforcement?"
Again, Bovino did not want to answer the question. "Dana, we don't need a suspect's help in an active law enforcement scene," he said. "We don't need his help. We didn't ask his help."
Noting that Bovino kept describing Pretti as a "suspect," Bash asked, "What [was] he suspected of?" Bovino implied that the suspected offense was a violation of 18 USC 111. "He knew that was an active law enforcement scene, especially when the officers approached him and it was very evident he did not need to be where he was," Bovino said. "And he decided on his own to stay there."
Even if Pretti's nonviolent conduct could be interpreted as "forcibly" impeding federal law enforcement, that is a far cry from Bovino's statement on Saturday that "this looks like a situation where the individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement." Bash asked Bovino to explain the basis for that statement.
"What evidence do you have that he wanted to massacre law enforcement?" Bash wondered. "It doesn't look anything like he's trying to massacre law enforcement. In fact, he was filming, and then it looked like he was trying to help another individual there who was pushed down by law enforcement, and then they went after him."
Once again, Bovino dodged the question. "I believe that the fantastic training that our law enforcement partners have, the fact that they're highly trained, prevented any specific shootings of law enforcement," he said. Was Pretti "simply walking by and just happened to walk into a law enforcement situation," he wondered, "or was he there for a reason?"
The reason, Bovino suggested, might have been that Pretti had been swayed by anti-DHS rhetoric "trying to portray Border Patrol agents and ICE agents as Gestapo, Nazi, and many other words." In light of what DHS critics such as Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey had been saying, Bovino suggested, it was reasonable to ask, "Did this individual fall victim, as many others have, to that type of heated rhetoric?"
Bovino's assertion that Pretti seemed to be bent on mass murder, in other words, was based on nothing but sheer speculation, combined with the fact that Pretti was legally armed—a fact that the Border Patrol agents did not discover until after they tackled him. That leap gives you a sense of how reckless DHS officials can be when they try to justify the use of deadly force.
Whatever Pretti's intent, Bovino implied, he had it coming because he had made bad choices. If you want to stay alive, he said, you should not "inject yourself knowingly beforehand into a law enforcement situation."
When Bash observed that "it feels as though in some ways you're blaming the victim here," Bovino corrected her: "The victims are the Border Patrol agents. I'm not blaming the Border Patrol agents. The victim[s] are the Border Patrol agents. The suspect put himself in that situation. The victims are the Border Patrol agents there."
Even as he repeatedly asserted that the agents did nothing wrong and that the blame for Pretti's death falls squarely on him, Bovino also repeatedly cautioned against making premature judgments based on the evidence available so far. "Let's don't freeze-frame adjudicate this now," he said. "That's why we have investigators. That's why we have an investigation that is going to answer those questions. How many shots were fired? Who fired shots?…Where were the guns located? All those questions are going to be answered in the investigation."
As in the Good case, however, we cannot have any confidence that an internal investigation by the same department that has preemptively exonerated its employees will clarify the circumstances that led to the use of lethal force. "There must be a thorough and impartial investigation into yesterday's Minneapolis shooting, which is the basic standard that law enforcement and the American people expect following any officer-involved shooting," Sen. Thom Tillis (R–N.C.) said in an X post on Sunday. "For this specific incident, that requires cooperation and transparency between federal, state, and local law enforcement. Any administration official who rushes to judgment and tries to shut down an investigation before it begins [is] doing an incredible disservice to the nation and to President Trump's legacy."
On Saturday night, U.S. District Judge Eric Tostrud, a Trump appointee, issued a temporary restraining order barring DHS from "destroying or altering evidence" related to Pretti's death, including "evidence that Defendants and those working on their behalf removed from the scene and/or evidence that Defendants have taken into their exclusive custody." Tostrud was responding to a request from Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which was cut out of the Good investigation and complains that DHS likewise prevented it from examining the scene of the Pretti shooting. The need for such an order speaks volumes about the trustworthiness of a department that has consistently sacrificed transparency and accountability on the altar of self-justification.
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Apparently. The guy was a ICE Watch agitator, carried a concealed firearm without his CCW or any ID, stood in a road in the middle of a riot and then fought police when they tried to arrest him. It looks like they found his loaded Sig Sauer, took it off him then he decided that would be a good time to reach into his pocket. The cops may have assumed he was going for a back up gun and shot him. Let's wait for the investigation.
It is clear, though, that the left doesn't care how many people get killed to further their agenda and Walz, Ellison and Co are ginning this entire thing up to try and take away attention from their massive fraud and money laundering operation. This riot took place next to a building that housed 3 Somali Daycare "Learing Centers" owned by the guy who actually owns the Learing Center. Just down the street is a 10,000 sq ft building that has an incredible 184 Somali Healthcare Companies in it. ICE was right in the middle of Fraud Central.
All of this could stop tomorrow if MN honored ICE detainers like many of the other states and handed over the criminal illegal aliens.
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He was carrying three 21-round magazines. 63 shots. No one carries that for self-defense. I believe that ICE might have accidentally interdicted a mass shooting.
Yeah, they do carry that many magazines for self-defense. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. How many magazines do the cops carry? If he had intended to shoot it out with ICE, he would have done it by then. He'd had several confrontations but didn't shoot.
Can someone more knowledgeable on jurisdiction chime in here? We seem to have a pattern where if a fed agent is involved; DHS seems to think state authorities not only don't but 'can't' investigate. I.e, they actively prevent the state from investigating a shooting/homicide that happens on the city street. It's not like this happened on federal land within a state which would change the jurisdiction question.
Feds and state's have concurrent jurisdiction to my knowledge. Investigating isn't necessarily a supremacy clause issue. This is separate from the feds enforcing immigration laws and their right to do so anywhere in the u.s. I just don't understand why the state or local authorities don't have jurisdiction to investigate actions happening in an area traditionally reserved to them just because a fed agent or agents are the one's involved. DEA and other agents routinely enforce fed drug laws in the state's. If one of them murdered someone in the line of duty; the state authorities ability to investigate that act wouldn't even be questioned. What's so special about ICE?
"Can someone more knowledgeable on jurisdiction chime in here?"
1) We can presume you are totally ignorant.
2) There's a very good chance this will have a shelf-life similar to the woman who tried to kill the cop and for the same reasons.
Pathetic bootlicker
The woman did not try to kill the cop. The ICE agent maneuvered himself adjacent to the path of the vehicle so that it would appear that he would have an excuse to murder her.
Unless the state can show that the actions are outside the scope of their law enforcement duties then they have basically no recourse.
Which you would know, you being an attorney and all that.
MN can try to show that but they've chosen not to in the Good shooting.'
Otherwise sovereign immunity applies.
Incorrect. I am not talking about charging, arresting or trying. I am talking about investigating. Basic fact gathering by trained professionals.
There is a difference.
*Edit: What I am asking is why are the feds taking the position that state authorities cannot even do any fact gathering. I am not talking about a criminal investigation of the fed agents which could trigger sovereign immunity issues. The feds don't own the streets of MN just because one of them is on it.
The state can, and likely will, investigate this shooting. Despite the feds arresting witnesses (1A and 4A violation) and doing their best to spoil the scene, there's probably enough evidence to file charges.
The state of Minnesota is utterly corrupt. So anything coming from Keith Ellison’s office is going to be DNC bullshit. Just like how everything you say is DNC bullshit.
Right Drunky?
How is ICE doing today?
Pretti Good
one less low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultist is a good thing
Libertarians for the government killing people with different political beliefs from me.
Didn't know SRG claimed to be libertarian, you slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit:
SRG2 12/23/23
“Then strode in St Ashli, clad in a gown of white samite and basking in celestial radiance, walking calmly and quietly through the halls of Congress as police ushered her through doors they held open for her, before being cruelly martyred for her beliefs by a Soros-backed special forces officer with a Barrett 0.50 rifle equipped with dum-dum bullets.”
Um... Sock MAGAts aren't libertarians any more than the GICEtapo or Trumpanzee Court are legitimate officers of the Constitution.
Libertarians for putting down rabid Marxists out to destroy my constitutional republic.
Now stagger back to your alley. You’ve got some liver failure to work on.
Or for the killing of dipshits that bring a loaded firearm to a riot and brawl with Federal Officers. FAFO
It doesn't look like a good shoot from the video. He was absolutely in the wrong to be armed while engaging in violence and criminal activity. Not a fan of cops being able to shout "gun gun gun" and unload on a guy without repercussions, but at the same time I can't really blame them for firing when someone is acting violently while carrying a gun.
Low IQ? He was an ICU nurse at the VA hospital. He was licensed to carry, which you guys want everyone to do. He was disarmed by ice thugs and executed. For helping a woman who had been pushed down onto the sidewalk.
You people are sick.
Haha, keep going!
He's right.
Walz +9
You are hilariously retarded.
He's right.
Very low IQ. He brought a concealed firearm to a riot, didn't have his CCW and ID on him and decided to get in a fight with Federal Cops. He wasn't "helping a woman" to do anything other than escape arrest because he was a leading member of ICE Watch and regularly attended riots.
Pathetic bootlicker
"The DoJ will conduct a fair an impartial investigation to show exactly how Pretti was a domestic terrorist out to kill ICE agents. We are not prejudice, will go where the evidence leads, and fully exonerate all federal agents. We will work closely with state and local authorities as so far that they can hear the results on Fox News like everyone else."
The 混蛋 MG will continue posting lefty, TDS-addled lies.
Fixed, asswipe.
Walz +6
Looks like the obvious legal justification for shooting Pretti would be his interference with police detainment procedures because he reached out with his hand to block ICE-brand pepper spray from reaching its intended victim.
That in and of itself would not be justification for using lethal force.
Honestly, I think the cop over-reacted here and this isn't a good shoot. But I don't have all the info (not even close as the only public information is edited to ensure no one does).
Pretty sure OP was sarcastic. But really, seems they shot him at point blank range from behind because he got to his knees. No reasonable cop would feel threatened by that, given that he was surrounded by cops and ate a faceful of pepper spray.
We know you are full of shit.
My ass is full of shit...until I take a big steamy one in your mom's mouth. Then her mouth is as full of shit as yours is.
^ This is what passes for clever repartee' to TDS-addled steaming piles of lying lefty shit.
It's interesting to watch the Left become more and more shrill as they realize they're once again losing control of the narrative.
What world do you live in? The only people losing control of the narrative are the administration who keep repeatedly lying about what people can watch themselves.
And now they are pissing off 2nd amendment supporters by implying merely having a legal concealed handgun [but not using it] somehow justifies being put down like Noem's poorly trained dog. That is an argument I am sure the right would just love to have with itself.
The foretold FEMA camps are coming from inside the house.
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It's interesting to watch the Left become more and more shrill
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What world do you live in?
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My ass is full of shit...until I take a big steamy one in your mom's mouth.
Leftists are trying to normalize saying you’re going to shit in someone’s mom’s mouth.
No, Sevo Embarrassment likely has coprolalia and Tourette's and started talking shit.
So dehumanizing.
You’re basically a drunk Marxist version of Oscar the Grouch. Anne you should go emulate Pretti’s behavior and find out what happens.
I would love that.
Having a loaded firearm removed from you then ignoring cops warnings to not reach into your pockets is justification for use of deadly force.
Better shoot than the execution of Babbitt and look what these retards had to say about that, as well as the legal outcome.
They were both bad shoots.
>In both cases, video evidence immediately contradicted what Noem
Sorry Sullum, Soave already posted his article and he contradicts your assertion here. You two should have gotten on the same page before publishing.
I'll grant that Noem's framing has been a bit misleading, but nowhwere near what Sullum has done. I think we are past the point where it's even a question that these people are engaging in terrorism and insurrection. I don't like seeing ICE and DHS getting so heavy-handed, but it isn't happening in a vacuum. They are facing heavy resistance from the illegals they are tasked with removing as well as coordinated and violent groups of leftists interfering and attacking them. If you take away the left's dumbass argument that we can't/shouldn't get rid of people who don't belong then this becomes a whole different conversation. The media is engaging in a huge propaganda campaign to make the terrorists and invaders out to be the good guys.
Noem made a bunch of shit up out of thin air. That's the government we have now. And you retards eat it up.
No more than the Jan 6 protestors. In each case, it was more protest than an uprising. Neither was using violence against civilians. I'm very wary of throwing around terms like insurrection, terrorism or treason.
What actually happened based on video footage:
An ICE agent walked toward some civilians in the road and the civilians retreated to the side of the road.
The agent shoved a woman for no apparent reason, knocking her to the ground.
Alex Pretti moved between the ICE officer and the woman and put his hands up.
While holding his hands up, his arm was twisted and he was pepper sprayed in the head.
The ICE agent let go of him and he was pepper sprayed in the face and lost balance.
He grabbed the shoved woman, who was still on the ground, and appeared to try to help her up.
Agents pulled him away from her from behind.
Multiple agents grabbed him and pushed him down to the ground and subdued him.
With an agent on him, another agent removed his gun.
He tried to get up while surrounded by agents and got to his knees.
He was shot multiple times at point blank range from behind.
As he lay motionless on the ground, he was shot multiple additional times.
Explain to me how that isn't assault followed by murder.
YOU expect to have any cred here, TDS-addled steaming pile of lying lefty shit?!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Will you cum over and fill my big hairy ass like you did last night?
Yoiu have an active fantasy life, TDS-addled slimy pile of lying lefty shit. That was your daddy.
You were my daddy, remember? I asked you to spank me as you blasted my ass, and after you pulled out I turned around, grabbed your man boobs, and splooshed you.
This is the sort of reasonable discussion that Jeff was looking for.
You have an active fantasy life, TDS-addled slimy pile of lying lefty shit. Fuck off and die.
Sevo, did you break Sarc? If so, is it likely to be fatal?
If done in the service of the Regime, there is no crime. The crime is to resist and the penalty is summary execution. That way the Regime encourages respect for the Law and for agents of the Regime. We have to destroy the Constitution in order to save it. Etc etc.
People here sure like big government when it's their government.
Violently resisting arrest, especially when armed, is pretty goddamned stupid. So of course that’s what you democrats are doing.
But feel free to whine and cry all you want. Thanks to Trump, it’s still a free country.
I'm not a Democrat, and you're opposed to the US being a free country, so STFU
It is interesting that some like you can watch a video of this and the Good shooting then concoct a total fantasy from it that resembles nothing like what you just watched.
"The footage suggested that Good was not deliberately trying to run Ross down"
You don't have to take anything else in this article seriously.
It's not right for government officials to prejudge things, huh? Funny, I don't remember Sullum having an issue with the ridiculous position taken by democrat politicians that ICE used a 5 year old as "bait", that they dragged a random woman out of a car as she was driving to a doctor's appointment, Nick Shirley probing into fraud was white supremacy, that Renee Good was just dropping off her kids, or that the Venezuelan criminal gang members shot on the legs were just your garden variety illegals.
At every fucking incident that involves ICE, the left has assumed ICE acted like the gestapo. The ICU nurse was teamed up with the woman impeding ICE. They both belonged to the same anti ICE watch group. He was not some medical professional just wandering around the area providing assistance to a woman being tossed around by ICE. The guy had a jerry rigged p320 (a model known for accidental fire apparently) and plenty of ammo to sure. He did not disclose his weapon to officers as required by concealed carry law.
Yeah, I know, the cops couldn't have known that beforehand. But seriously - what do you REALLY think this guy intended to do? He brought a gun to protect himself against law enforcement? Out in public, where he has less expectations of privacy? The 2A allows you to create hostile situations so you an engineer claims of self defense?
Why lie to yourself this way? Why engage in this obtuse self deception? Does your loyalty to immigration blind you to the truth? What you're seeing before your eyes is criminal conspiracy. Someone is paying them. Someone is training them. Someone is coordinating with the local government to protect Somalis from fraud allegations.
https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474?s=20
Obviously the Feds are not as sure as you, else they wouldn't have dropped their own investigation and denied Minnesota access to the evidence to prevent the state from conducting its own investigation. If Kristi Nöhm were confident that Ross had done nothing wrong, they'd have been happy to conduct a transparent investigation.
"Obviously the Feds are not as sure as you, else they wouldn't have dropped their own investigation and denied Minnesota access to the evidence to prevent the state from conducting its own investigation..."
Two-bit (actually worthless) amateur 'mind reader' heard from. Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat, fuckwit.
He brought a gun to protect himself against law enforcement?
YES.
Not a smart move.
Neither is walking down the street waving hundred dollar bills, but that doesn't give anyone the right to steal them
False analogy Shrike.
Still not shrike, and the analogy makes the point, though you wish it didn't. So fuck off.
Protecting himself while he obstructed them and then violently resisted when they attempted to arrest him for doing so. No, that isn’t self defense.
Walz +5
Which is Darwin level stupidity. Even with the second magazine in his pockets if he thought he was winning a gunfight with about 20 Federal Law Enforcement Officers he was way off the reservation.
I think in order to engage in a gun fight; one would need to pull one's gun from its holster, no?
The feds kept using the word 'brandished.' I don't think they know what that word means. Because all of it is captured on video, and the murder victim didn't 'brandish' a firearm. An agent appears to have secured his firearm from him while other agents beat him; so when he was shot he was unarmed having never pulled it out, brandished it, aimed it, threatened or anything. None of those agents knew he had a firearm until after he was on the ground and one of them took it off him before mag dumping him.
And he wasn't violently resisting. He most likely was reacting to having been doused in the face with mace/pepper spray and being thrown onto the ground and punched. And being beat in the head with what appears to be a large can of pepper spray.
Don't let false narratives get in the way of actual facts. Unless you are auditioning for a public relations job for DHS. Then you are more than qualified. The more outlandish lies the better.
The operative phrase here is, "appears to have." What "appears to have" happened and what actually happened are not necessarily the same.
He had TWO extra magazines. 63 rounds total. That's way beyond personal protection. He was on his way to commit a mass shooting.
No, it's not. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. If he was going to commit a mass shooting, he would have done it before when he had the opportunity. You conservatives make stuff up to fit your false narrative.
Hello again!
Is the MAGA crowd again defending the murder of a citizen? Why yes, yes I see that they are!
Yep. You have to understand, when you're in a cult you believe what you're told. And they were fed a bullshit narrative about the victim wielding a gun and being about to shoot up a bunch of ICE shitheads. That's how they're able to withstand the cognitive dissonance of calling themselves libertarian while supporting a bunch of unaccountable stormtroopers assaulting people, searching them without cause, and when convenient, shooting them.
It's not a cult. It's worse.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
They have given up on universal principles and now they are reverting back to their paleo-conservative roots: only the in-group deserves rights and liberties, the out-group does not.
That is *actually* why they defend the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. Because they were in the out-group doing something that the in-group decided was wrong - protesting ICE agents. The in-group will tolerate the nuisances of protestors blowing whistles and filming officers everywhere, but not because of any belief in individual liberty - after all, those protestors are in the out-group, so they don't really have liberty - but for other reasons, like it's not worth the trouble, bad optics, etc. But the moment the nuisance becomes too severe, the in-group revokes the permission of the out-group to "misbehave" and then it's open season. To teach the out-group to know their place and to understand that they are not in charge.
That is the real dynamic going on here. All just raw power and raw tribalism.
Well stated! This IS twat is going on here!
They were obstructing ICE.
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2015576646196089069
All they had to do was stay out of the way.
Fatfuck, straightened you out several times yesterday, and you’re back for another beatdown. The shoot is still good, and you’re still a lying Marxist pedophile sophist.
You may fuck off now.
Indeed. You do know that he was illegally carrying a firearm, right? If he was on the side of the road not participating in a riot no one would have known and he would still be alive. He put himself in a no win situation trying to defend criminal illegal aliens because MN will not honor ICE detainers to remove the criminals peaceably and are instead forced to go out and find them. This is nothing more than an attempt by Walz to get the Feds out of MN to stop the investigation of the massive Somali fraud and money kickbacks/vote buying schemes.
Shall not be infringed, biatch.
Those of us like me who voted for Trump because we were sick of the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party on free speech and war and their obsession with fringe cultural causes have to now admit that the worst liberal fears about Trump have turned out to be true. He is a megalomaniac who has empowered an internal police force equivalent to Nazi brownshirts and is hellbent on conquering countries that are part of South America and Europe. After voting libertarian for decades, I am now a registered democrat and will never vote Republican or third-party again.
Really says a lot about the fascist Repubs that at this point the nanny state tax and spend Dems are closer to libertarian than them.
That's because the Dems knew enough to divide the 128 electoral votes in 13 States by Gary's 4+ million votes and realize that shooting brown folks and hippies over weed cost them the election in 2016. God's Own Prohibitionists realized the same thing, but sent their Jesus Caucus to take over the LP the way they sent gICEtapo agents to murder Minnesotans and J6ers to vandalize Congress and Venezuela. This is Germany 2.0 in the hands of Herbert Hoover and Harry Anslinger, just like in July 1931.
You expect to be believed? Ha and ha.
An idiot unable to differentiate a constant comes here to lecture us on electoral math.
The dems actively want to destroy the west
If you voted for Trump in 2024 you should be ashamed of yourself and never vote again.
If you voted for a Harris in 2024 you should be exiled from America never to return.
So you are now and always have been a communist. Sorry but people like you who think going out and interfering with and fighting federal agents is nbd are just retarded.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/us/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-alex-pretti-visual-analysis-digvid
Well, seems pretty clear-cut from this video.
The entire incident was instigated by the ICE officer in the beige cap, at about the 1:20 mark in the above video. It appears to be the same officer that the protestors were initially filming. He walks to the other side of the street and shoves one protestor to the ground, then shoves Pretti to the ground, then shoves a third protestor to the ground, the one with the orange backpack. He then sprays Pretti in the face with the chemical irritant, Pretti turns away, tries to help the orange backpack person, but then that same agent grabs Pretti and pulls him away. That is when he fell to the ground and the rest of the agents piled on.
That first agent, the one with the beige cap, instigated the entire thing. He lost his cool and picked a fight. He acted like the untrained thug that he is. He should be charged with being the thug that he is.
So, put aside the murder portion of this story for the time being. I would love for our resident MAGA crowd to try to defend the beige cap officer shoving people to the ground like that. How is that a legitimate law enforcement tactic?
The fascist "libertarians" here love when their guys in government beat up and kill the other guys. Just about the least libertarian thing anyone could support.
But he had a gun.
CNN? Hilarious! Maybe next you can cite the Daiky worker, or Mother Jones. Ooh, and Rolling Stone is a real bastion of solid journalism too.
Walz +7
When you know you're wrong, attack the source and call names. So predictable.
Christian National Socialism in Germany disavowed all knowledge of death camps all over Germany and Poland. Even after the films played in theaters all over Europe, blonde young Gudrun Himmler swore absolutely that her daddy was totally innocent and that ALL of that Holocaust crap was fake nyooz. Today's Christian National Socialists likewise speak for Jesus but screech against "addictive narcotic" plant leaves and Haitians instead of Jews. Other than that, the NSDAP and GOP both mean the same thing, and their SA, SS and Gestapos are Bush-Bush DHS, and ICE. Panama and Venezuela are the latest Czechoslovakia and Poland. I voted Gary and supported Oliver.
You, sir, are an arsonist in a field of strawmen.
Lysander Spooner commented on Comstock Republican rule in 1868: "If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that "our country" is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and "save the country," cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands, and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done; that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore." See? Back then someone had to kill a Gestapo goon, then got a show trial before hanging. See how Amerikkka has changed?
Multiple choice quiz:
So how will the MAGA crowd respond to this?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/25/congressman-maxwell-alejandro-frost-attack-police
A. FAKE NEWS
B. The Left made him attack Frost
C. Look, you can't judge all Republicans by the act of one person. Now, let's talk about how THE LEFT wants to mutilate your children and push for elective 9-month abortions.
D. False flag! The attacker was really Antifa
E. False flag! The attacker was really an illegal
F. He deserved the beating because he's a Democrat
Altruist brainwashees peddling the same coercive nostrum, each badmouthing the competing collectivist's cyanide Kool-Ade sacrament. Libertarians have been watching this go on for over 50 years. It's the ultimate scratched record. The only difference is that Gary Johnson scared the crap out of both gangs--so the gloves come off and the guns come out.
This graphioc explains it all.
https://x.com/Timcast/status/2015578964660453594
Shame he didn't qualify the numbers as "deserved" deaths. Looking like 0 from ICE so far.
DHS Again Promises a Thorough Investigation of a Fatal Shooting After Prejudging the Outcome
Why on Earth are you giving them any benefit of the doubt? Their GOAL is to have martial law declared in a variety of cities. It has nothing to do with illegals, documentation, deportation, or anything else that might be 'procedural'.
JFucked is full of shit, ain't he?
Read here, asswipe: They are attempting to regain control of the immigration policies demolished by assholes like you and your senile fave fake POTUS. And assholes like you lie about it constantly.
If they wanted martial law, a pretty good way to get them there is for the gov to encourage people to put their bodies on the line, and encourage local law enforcement to stand down in their duties to keep the peace.
Actually, that is exactly how I would get martial law instituted. This Walz guy must have really wanted it
They are going to lay the ground for martial law by killing American citizens in onesies and rwosies until someone reacts violently in self defense. That reaction will be the Reichstag fire - with an overreaction that will eliminate Posse Comitatus and militarize the streets. The MAGA crowd has been salivating for that for years.
JFucked is full of shit, ain't he?
Read here, asswipe: They are attempting to regain control of the immigration policies demolished by assholes like you and your senile fave fake POTUS. And assholes like you lie about it constantly and everywhere.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
A party that blatantly flouts the law (opens the border) and then riles up its most mentally ill shock troops to attack agents that are trying to enforce the law they flouted, are asking for martial law.
Your side is literally against enforcing the law, and they are doing it with violence. Walz should tell MN law enforcement to step up, and violent protestors to step down and let law enforcement do their job.
But Walz doesn't want that, he wants it to get worse
YOU are the one who is favoring the extrajudicial murder of Americans and the imposition of martial law by masked brownshirts. YOU are the enemy of the Constitution.
I'm not even on 'the side you think I'm on. You are simply obsessed with jerking off to the murder of Americans. You are exactly who Dietrich Bonhoeffer described as the stupid person who will support every possible evil because you have given up your independence to tyrannical power
absolutely not, I dont want anyone to be killed, and I think its a shame. I really think it was a bad shoot this time.
I do want people to stop volunteering for Darwin awards though. These were completely avoidable by the protestors themselves.
Stop protesting law enforcement doing the jobs we want them to do.
They are going after AMERICANS. And you excuse that and support that
We really need a laughing face emoji.
The propaganda machine for ICE is breaking down. They keep claiming that Minnesota is not handing over criminals but the Minnesota DOC has video evidence that so-called apprehended criminals were actually handed over directly from Minnesota authorities to immigration authorities. The incompetents at ICE have to make up captures of dangerous folks that were just handed to them in cooperation.
https://x.com/FOX9/status/2014443166129160358
Oh! Oh! Look! An X post claiming that MN is obeying the law linked by a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit!
That changes...
Nothing whatsoever. Fuck off and die, asswipe.
I saw it on X....it has to be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have every right, as a pedestrian, to cross at the cross walk when its my turn, and I have the right of way, and the cars need to wait for me and respect that.
If I cross the cross walk, knowingly when a police chase is happening and I see them coming, there is a really good chance I end up as splattered roadkill. Roadkill that had every right to be crossing the cross walk, and was absolutely in the right. Doesn't mean it wasn't a really stupid thing to do.
So I dont cross the street when a police chase is happening, and I havent thus far ended up as roadkill
"Pretti, who apparently provoked their ire by *intervening* to help a protester whom they had pepper-sprayed and pushed to the ground"
He cited 18 USC 111, which applies to someone who "forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or *interferes* with" federal law enforcement officers who are engaged in "the performance of official duties.
Way to go writing-out the 'charge' while trying to defend it as crime-less.
Retard, Pretti went to help an assault victim. The assaulter, an ICE thug, was not performing an official duty by pursuing a retreating woman and shoving her to the ground.
"Helping" who law enforcement officers are impeding.
Surely it must-of been ICE blowing whistles and protesting a citizen arrest huh? /s
Dipshit, you should fuck off and die, regardless of your fantasy of sex with your daddy.
The videos indicate that the Border Patrol agents did not see the gun until after they tackled Pretti, who apparently provoked their ire by intervening to help a protester whom they had pepper-sprayed and pushed to the ground.
So he was not minding his own business?
State of Minnesota Again Promises a Thorough Investigation of a Fatal Shooting After Prejudging the Outcome.
The State of Minnesota's long standing policy of being a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants and their refusal to cooperate the federal law enforcement is the reason that ICE is in the Twin Cities.
Where are the Minneapolis police for crowd control? This is the job of the Minneapolis police and not the job of ICE.
ICE's job is to round up illegal immigrants, not crowd control. If the city of Minneapolis was an honest player, they would provide crown control.
If the protestors are just legal observers, then why are they dragging trash bin into the middle of the road?
There is a lot of talk that Trump is just punishing Minnesota, but if you slip on the shoes of the other side and the same claims can be made and there is actually more evidence that the Minnesota political officials are actively attempting to punish Trump.
Both sides are off the rails. ICE is doing the job that they are tasked with. Ice deported less people in 2025 than any single year that Obama was in office. Trump is slammed in the media for using the same tactics, that you didn't hear a peep about when Obama was in office. Obama even gave the ICE Czar Tom Homan the Presidential Rank award for the time he served Obama.
Biden is the only outlier where he completely lost control of the border and ICE deportations plummeted dramatically. Some would argue that this was by design and was a plan to influence electoral success.
Minnesota has extremely poor election registration roles. The refuse to allow voter id and even allow illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses. There are dead people still on the election registration roles and people who move away from the state remain for decades.
There there is the massive fraud in Minnesota that is no longer covered. It quite convenient how the timing worked out how the protests only became a major story until shortly after the Nick Shirley podcast caught national attention.
Frankly, I'm not surprised as these types of thing tend to happen in Minnesota whenever the DFL dominated government gets caught, something pops up to drown out the coverage.
Pretti had every right to be on the streets. He had every right to observe and film ICE performing their official duties in a public area. He had every right to carry a weapon. Had he continued doing only the above, he likely would still be alive.
But once he intervened to help someone else or to hinder ICE, he stopped being a neutral observer. He had taken a side at that point, or at least appeared to have done so. From the perspective of law enforcement, he was no longer a neutral observer; he was a potential threat.
The fact that he wasn't shot immediately when the other officers merely heard the word "gun" says a little something about their restraint; people like Ryan Whitaker and Philando Castille weren't afforded that much restraint from their fatal police encounters.
Only after Pretti's gun discharged is when the officers fired. A tragic mistake, but yet another one that I suspect will be found to be reasonable in the moment.
The lies from both sides of the aisle about who was doing what and with what intent do not help.
He was never a neutral observer. Even before the fatal incident he was working to interfere with ICE, just in ways that were more warning or jail than lethal response.
Oh no, he helped a woman that an ICE thug assaulted. That's a crime punishable by death. Such restraint to not shoot someone with a holstered gun. And he was shot after his gun had been removed ya moron.
It is illegal to "help" someone who is being detained by law enforcement.
Was she being detained by ICE ?
They never tried to cuff her, just pushed her down in the street and sprayed her in the face. ICE jurisdiction is supposedly illegal immigrants ... where in that whole kerfuffle is an immigrant ? Do you see any immigrants in that whole setting ? Where was the arrest they were supposedly interfering with ? Because I didn't see one in the vids I've seen so far. Genuine questions, no sarcasm and this article doesn't provide an answer.
Her detainment was interrupted by Pretti.
If ICE is so Gestapo and such an existential threat, why is it that the only incidents we're hearing of are coming out of Minneapolis and none, to speak of, from other cities and locations where ICE is or has been operating?
This localization of damning ICE incidents is yet more evidence, to me, that agitators in Minneapolis are orchestrating scenarios specifically to provoke violent responses from (Trump)FedGov agents that the agitators can spin into curated narratives fomenting anti-(Trump)government sentiment. And Reason is, increasingly, complicit by regurgitating, and even amplifying, the agitators' narratives with zero critical review.
So he didn't have a gun when he was shot ? Somebody yelled gun, but he was already disarmed by the time the first shot was heard ?Then everybody else shot ... because they heard everybody else shooting ?
This is the acorn all over again.