How To Build Your Own Internet in 2026
AI slop and enshittification are making the public social commons unbearable. The alternative pathways are more accessible than you think.
The internet you experience daily—endless scrolling, algorithmic feeds serving content you didn't ask for, AI-generated slop clogging search results—isn't the only internet available. It's just the one that's easiest to stumble into.
You're not stuck with the internet that has evolved alongside the rise of hegemonic platforms. We're 20-plus years into the social internet, and the winners of the last round of audience capture have made clear they're shifting to optimize for social broadcasting instead of networking, to maximize market share and market cap.
They are not optimizing your experience. Only you can do that.
Each individual act of internet self-determination aggregates into something larger—a distributed resistance to the corporate enclosure of digital space. Think of it like a ladder. Each rung represents a different level of engagement with how you consume, curate, and create your corner of the internet. You don't have to climb every rung, but knowing they exist changes what's possible. And every step you take moves you away from the grip of corporate algorithms and toward an internet experience you can put to use for your own interests and needs.
Level 1: Conscious Consumption
The algorithmic feed—that endless scroll of content chosen by platforms optimizing for engagement over everything else—is optional. You can opt out. Any of these steps will reclaim your attention as the finite resource it is, rather than letting it become a commodity that platforms extract through sophisticated design.
Awareness: The first thing you can do is know your baseline. Just like physical health can be understood through nutrition and fitness vitals, you can track your "internet vitals." How many times a day do you pick up your phone? How much time do you spend on social media? The average American checks their phone 186 times daily and spends 2 hours and 16 minutes on social media. You can check your own numbers in Screen Time (iOS) or Digital Wellbeing (Android). If that kind of specific tracking feels too intimidating, you could start by just educating yourself. Cal Newport's Digital Minimalism, Tristan Harris' work on ethical design, or Renée DiResta's Invisible Rulers are good places to start.
Escape the algorithm—get off Big Social: This is hard. Social platforms like Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and X are where you've spent years curating connections and actively following people.
Escape the algorithms within Big Social: These same platforms offer options that are less algorithmically driven. Some offer chronological viewing if you dig into settings. Or you can make a point to just engage with lists of pre-chosen accounts, like your friends' Stories, and not engage with the Feed. You can set your Facebook app to open directly to specific Groups or Marketplace instead of the general news feed. Or sign up for broadcast channels in Instagram where you get direct messages from creators you like, though you will need to check which creators you already follow have these semi-private spaces.
The real key is avoiding the "reels-as-rabbit-hole dynamic" where you start viewing one vertical video and quickly swipe your way down a hole where innocent browsing becomes a long block of passive TV-like consumption.
Level 2: Active Curation
Once you've established some control over what reaches you, the next step is actively building what you want to see. This means moving from defense (blocking what you don't want) to offense (constructing information sources you trust). Doing so creates demand signals for the internet you want to exist. Every subscription, every intentional comment, every creator you support tells the market what's valuable. You're not just consuming differently—you're funding and amplifying alternatives—both within the 'algorithmic marketplace' of the platform and, at a macro level, the larger marketplace of all digital products—or any product within the attention economy.
Newsletter subscriptions: Pretty much anything you find on the social internet, you can find through newsletters—from news curators like Tangle or Dave Pell's NextDraft, to conveners like Hunter Harris around culture or Anne Helen Petersen around intentional living. There are aggregators of local news, professional news, sports news. When you subscribe, you're voting with your attention (and sometimes your dollars) for sustainable creator economics. You are asking for a finite ending to your consumption, not infinite scrolling.
RSS feeds: For those less familiar, RSS lets you subscribe directly to websites, blogs, and news sources, receiving updates chronologically rather than algorithmically. Tools like Feedly or Inoreader aggregate these feeds into readable interfaces—much like an email inbox. You can build a feed of local news sources, niche blogs, and independent journalists—a personalized newspaper that updates throughout the day without anyone else's thumb on the scale.
Comment intentionally: The "commenting for the algo" refrain you see from Gen Z creators isn't cynical—it's strategic. Genuine engagement (not just likes but comments that spark conversation) helps surface content to others who might value it—and back to you. Every action you take, from skipping to lingering over content, makes an impact. But nothing does more than commenting. You're not just consuming; you're actively participating in what gets amplified. If you're trying out Threads and think it's a ghost town, you have to start commenting to train your algorithm. If you think LinkedIn pushes overly vanilla, self-congratulatory professional news, try to lean into comments and threaded comments about professional questions you do want to see filling up your feed instead—even with looser connections.
Level 3: Building Alternatives
The highest level involves participating in infrastructure explicitly designed to resist corporate enclosure. This doesn't require technical expertise—just a willingness to try platforms organized around different principles that, frankly, take a little more time to set up or understand.
Engage in smaller networks: I happily check in on Swarm (formerly Foursquare) and keep up with the approximately 40 friends of mine who are still on there too. That fits my elder millennial social graph; there are others for other cohorts. Gen Z folks are still congregating on BeReal. Photo-minded folks seem to be really rallying to Retro. You don't even need to join a "social network"—join Discord servers around specific interests. Follow niche subreddits. Participate in specialized forums or wikis. Through my kids, I've learned to navigate Pokémon and anime forums and wikis to keep up with their interests. For myself, I'm active in far-flung music forums and have preferred destinations for home improvement and men's fashion. These spaces operate at human scale, where reputation and reciprocity matter. They're also where you'll find people doing the most interesting work in specific areas of expertise.
Join the Fediverse or ATmosphere: There are smaller, more customizable, interconnected social platform alternatives to X, Instagram, and TikTok. Mastodon, the most well-known federated social network, lets you join a server (or run your own) that connects to thousands of others through the ActivityPub protocol. Bluesky offers a similar model through its own AT Protocol, with growing momentum and easier onboarding for newcomers through features like "starter packs." Apps like Pixelfed replicate Instagram; PeerTube replicates YouTube.
Join platform cooperatives: These spaces represent a burgeoning future that applies cooperative ownership models to digital platforms. The Drivers Cooperative in New York City is worker-owned, competing directly with Uber and Lyft. The U.K.'s Bristol Cable operates as a reader-owned journalism cooperative. MintStars offers a creator-owned alternative to OnlyFans using blockchain technology. Subvert.fm is doing the same for musicians to replace Bandcamp. These prove that platforms can be owned by the people who create value on them, not just distant shareholders.
The Aggregate Effect
None of these individual acts is revolutionary. Subscribing to a newsletter, joining a Discord server, tracking your screen time—these are small, personal decisions about how you spend your time online. But that's how structural change happens on the internet. The marketplace is driven by the aggregate trends of your individual micro-actions.
The platforms that dominate your digital life today won through network effects. Each new user made the platform more valuable for everyone else, creating a feedback loop that eventually felt inescapable. The same mechanics work in reverse. Every person who opts for RSS over algorithmic feeds, every creator who builds an audience through owned channels rather than rented platforms, every community that forms around shared protocols instead of corporate silos—these choices compound. What starts as your personal internet gradually becomes a viable alternative internet that others see value in joining.
It's already starting. Mastodon went from 300,000 monthly active users in October 2022 to over 2 million by December 2022, driven largely by individual decisions to leave Twitter/X. Substack hosts over 50,000 publications that make money from subscriptions.. The next wave of media companies are already building this way, with intention.
Perfectly Imperfect is a sceney downtown NYC newsletter that also operates a slow-feed social app with MySpace design vibes. Dave Jorgenson became known as The Washington Post TikTok guy, and five months into independence has a bigger footprint on YouTube than the Post, and he's just as focused on the two-way conversation with his audience via newsletter.
The corporate enclosure of the internet happened gradually, platform by platform, as we traded convenience for control. The reconquest of digital space will happen the same way—individually, incrementally, but aggregating into something substantial. With each act of conscious consumption we each make, we fight enshittification and take steps to build a human-centered internet.
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ITT, Lying Jeffy defends Waltz for politicizing a death, while accusing me of politicizing a death for pointing out that Waltz is politicizing a death.
That’s how dishonest he is.
That is how he gets his 50 cents. Stop feeding the pedotroll
We should all agree to put Pedo Jeffy on ignore. Then at most, talk about him amongst ourselves. As opposed to addressing his propaganda and lies directly. This is what I do with the shit eater.
But you don't put me on ignore, do you? Why is that?
Correction to TrollMac's lies:
ITT, TrollMac accused Walz of "fanning the flames" by requesting that ICE agents leave. This is of course a very curious "fanning" when he didn't demand escalation, retaliation, violence, or anything similar, only that the violent untrained thugs leave the state.
Apparently asking the aggressors to leave a violent situation is considered "fanning the flames". Does TrollMac think that victims of abuse should just sit there and take it lest they "fan the flames" of the aggressor?
ICE is enforcing the law. They aren’t going to stand down because a bunch of Marxist traitors don’t like it. You believe that laws are like a buffet, where you pick and choose which ones are palatable at any given time based on the whims of The Party. That’s how it works in a communist dictatorship. Which is your dream come true.
So lie and propagandize all you want. No one here is buying your bullshit. Or that Marxist retard Tim Walz.
You’re welcome to your view that borders don’t matter and everyone should just be able to go wherever they want, but the reality is that borders exist, governments are duty bound to enforce them, and you can’t just enter another sovereign country without their express permission. Doing so immediately violates the NAP. Protecting the people doing so (especially the ones that commit crimes) also violates the NAP.
Don’t like it? Convince people why they should vote for your preferred policies. Until then, enforcing immigration law is not an act of aggression.
NAZIs said that killing Jews wasn't aggression, either; Shitler said that shit was needed to keep the Nation's Blood and Soil CLEAN... So the NAZIs were merely enforcing the laws against being Jewish, etc.!
(Why can You PervFectly NAZI that?)
“NAZIs said that killing Jews wasn't aggression, either”
Cite?
Here, Penguin Poop, read this book, shit might open Your Self-Pervfected Eyes...
"Ordinary Men", https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062303023/reasonmagazinea-20/
Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland Paperback – February 28, 2017
by Christopher R. Browning (Author)
Killing Jews was just DOING YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY... Same ass ICE goons killing peaceful protestors!
Where in that book does it say killing Jews wasn’t aggression?
“Same ass ICE goons killing peaceful protestors!”
What peaceful protestor was killed?
Read the extremely thoroughly documented book, as I have, with an open mind and one iota of benevolence or "good will", and You just MIGHT Pervfectly SEE the answer to Your oh-so-sincere questions.
Yes, I know, anyone who does SNOT PervFectly HATE illegal sub-humans, just EXACTLY like Penguin Poop does, could NEVER be "peaceful". Snot only Penguin Poop, butt also, Jesus AND Dear Orange Caligula-Shitler hated / hates the illegal sub-humans, so we should, too!
Duh the one that peacefully started a fight the peacefully pulled a gun
That would be the ICE goons, yes indeed...
Straight to Godwin?
Thanks for conceding the point, oh squirrelly one.
Calling shit Godwin does SNOT refute SHIT!
Orange One has been (and been becumming) Caligula-Shitler for some time now, and some folks have been warning us for years!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
>alongside the rise of hegemonic platforms
So they are 'monopolies' then? Because Reason just told me they were all 'highly competitive'.
hege·mon
[ˈhɛdʒɪmɒn]
Noun
hegemon (noun)
hegemons (plural noun)
a supreme leader.
Dear Orange Caligula-Shitler is a leader, butt snot (yet) does shit have a MONOPOLY on His Dear LeaderShit! Other political scum here and abroad still have SOME of the power! Try to LEARN the daffynitions that most normal people use; shit will help PervFected You to cummunicate better!
(Snot necessarily cummunicate more honestly; I suspect that PervFected You does SNOT care about THAT!)
hegemony =/= monopoly
Well look who waddled back in! Done licking your wounded blubber after last weekend?
In more interesting stories... the millei speech to wef was great. Machiavelli is dead.
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-address-by-javier-milei-president-of-argentina/
"Natural law is the law that ought to govern human beings because it accords with their nature, and it is therefore just in a universal sense. It is a law common to all men because it is intrinsic to their essence and therefore unchangeable and immutable.
"By contrast, positive law is the law written by human beings to govern according to their convenience. Thus, when positive law is in harmony with natural law, there will be justice. Otherwise, the law may be legal but not legitimate.
"Accordingly, two fundamental rights are recognized: the right to life and the right to liberty. Man is born alive and free and has the right to preserve these attributes of nature. He also has the right to demand that others respect them in order to pursue his own happiness, which is the end towards which every human being tends.
"Alongside these, we have acquired rights, which are neither natural nor inherent to human beings, but are instead earned through merit or obtained as a gift.
"Thus, from the fundamental right to liberty derives the acquired right to private property, which is manifested in our ability to freely acquire goods with the fruits of our labour or to receive assets that are freely donated or inherited.
"In turn, the right to property, especially because of its dynamic consequences, is linked to Locke's principle of appropriation. Property may not only derive from donation, gifts, inheritance and/or exchange, but also from appropriation through discovery and creation.
"Finally, these rights are complemented by the non-aggression principle, which establishes that no human being has the right to inflict aggression of any kind on another human being. This includes not only physical aggression, but also all forms of coercion, compulsion and/or imposition under the threat of force.
"Hence, we define libertarian liberalism, in line with Alberto Benegas Lynch Junior, as unrestricted respect for the life project of others based on the principle of non-aggression and in defence of the right to life, liberty and property, whose institutions are private property, markets free of state intervention, competition understood as free entry and exit, the division of labour and social cooperation."
Nazi!
"...competition understood as free entry and exit..."
THIS is why today's "CuntSoreVaTurds" (who cuntserve NOTHING anymore, besides their Own Preciius Power), Trump, Trumpaloos... And most especially ICE goons, ICE slurpporters, and other border worshitters and illegal sub-human haters... Are ANYTHING except libertarians or lovers of freedoms!
Nazi!
Certainly not a Nazi, of course, but, as with all great things, you can already hear or see how "unrestricted respect for the life project of others" will be distorted to mean things it doesn't mean and acquire rights not earned or owed. No one is owed respect for their lived experiences. That doesn't mean they're owed aggression, but, especially to those who don't value the individual, respect voluntarily withheld to oneself is restricted.
Great speech, though. More exactingly, an impressive breath of actual, diverse, libertarian fresh air and free thought that the fanatical obsession with the sanctification of Renee Good, intentionally or not, distracts from or eclipses.
The NAZIs and ICE-NAZIs of today sanctify Saint Babbitt... None of them sanctify Renee Good, or her memory. Apparently she is or was even more lowly than an illegal sub-human! To "Hang Mike Pence" we must now add "Hang Renee Good"! (Does hanging her corpse count? NAZIs and ICE-NAZIs might be death-worshitting necrophiliacs, so maybe...)
All that sounds terrific. I wish we had more of that in this country.
You need to get out more.
Can he fit through a doorway anymore?
+1 billion. Javier Milei 2028!
Orbyt (https://www.orbyt.social/) is a new platform I'm in the process of launching. It's intended as a user-friendly alternative to Reddit. Although I am a lifelong Reason reader and consider myself a moderate centrist libertarian, I don't want the platform to be centered around any one political group. I'm aiming for more of a "big tent" approach that makes everyone feel welcome (conservatives, liberals, libertarians, progressives, etc.) and gives them a place to hash out their differences.
It's still early and there are some rough edges, but with that said it is usable and already starting to attract some activity and an initial community of users.
If this sounds like something you'd like to see take off, come on over and join 🙂
It could work so long as leftists aren’t allowed.
Yeah I'm not gonna ban anyone based on their ideology - only for their behavior while on the platform.
Define the set of behaviors. This call is often used by the left to claim neutral moderation whole banning opposing voices. See reddit, Facebook, pre Elon Twitter, etc.
No thanks.
The rules are reasonable and viewpoint-neutral. You can read them for yourself here: https://www.orbyt.social/legal/community-guidelines.
I am not from the left myself, so why would I build a platform that "claims neutral moderation while banning opposing voices"? If I was trying to build any kind of echo chamber it would be a libertarian one, but an echo chamber is not what I'm trying to build and it seems to me it'd be pretty anti-libertarian to ban people for wrongthink. So a site that's open to everyone is what I landed on.
Kind of weird that you are trying to position my site in a particular way that is the exact opposite of what it's about.
Lol. Your last paragraph is all I need to see to know what your intentions are. I did nothing to position your site.
These rules keep conversations civil, creative, and lawful.
Calls for civility are always the vector used by moderators on sites like blue sky, Twitter, disqus, etc that have been used to alienate the non majority political viewpoint of sites. It is subjective and allows for moderators to control the conversation and what is allowed.
Sorry, but youll end up in the same biased site as 90% of sites put there. Good luck.
Here, let me translate Jesse-speak for you:
What Jesse really means:
"If you let me onto your social media platform, I am going to behave like a complete asshole and violate every single one of your 'civility' rules. When you attempt to moderate me for my behavior, claiming 'civility', I will claim it is ideological censorship instead and rile up a mob to try to force you to tolerate my terrible behavior. That way, I can use an online mob of thugs to control the discourse, drive everyone else away, and turn your site into yet another echo chamber."
Look who’s acting like an asshole now.^
Hes an example of what im talking about. Would be ignored by those sites but any opposition voice to the moderators would be banned for less.
Jeff is a prime example of someone who demands civility to set the baseline arguments as a weapon against those who don't succumb to his sophistry.
When is Fatfuck not acting like an asshole? Can you imagine being in his presence more than a few minutes without developing an overpowering desire to savagely beat him?
It’s funny because he admitted he’s fat.
I wish you luck. But on this:
only for their behavior while on the platform.
Remember what's happened to other platforms that only did basic or minimal censorship. Always remember, your cloud provider can just turn off the oxygen.
I do think that's less likely to happen than it was a couple of years ago, but it's still a possibility. And if you do break out and start generating buzz AND your censorship is again minimal (depending on how you define "behavior while on the platform" the New York Times and Media Matters will go after you.
I always feel it's important to remind people who are attempting to exist outside (or above) the culture war often discover the culture war comes for them.
Thanks, this comment is thoughtful and helpful. I've spent a lot of time analyzing other alternative social media sites and doing post mortems on the ones which failed. I'm definitely aware of the history of some sites that positioned themselves as free speech platforms. To be clear, I am not positioning Orbyt as such a place, where anything goes. I am instead positioning it as one which is broadly tolerant of multiple viewpoints, but has enough enforcement of basic behavioral standards to keep it from becoming a cesspool. I'm also building it so it's not overly dependent on any one cloud vendor. Overall it's a balancing act but I feel pretty good about being able to pull it off.
Disqus, quora, reddit...
All had the same goals. All fell into the same trap. Again. Good luck. But dont think youre seeing what that trap is.
I am instead positioning it as one which is broadly tolerant of multiple viewpoints, but has enough enforcement of basic behavioral standards to keep it from becoming a cesspool.
This will not work because of people like Jesse and his pals. There are dedicated people out there who are absolutely not tolerant of multiple viewpoints, they do not want genuine dialogue, they deliberately want to silence all opposing voices, and they will try to manipulate every platform in order to turn it into their ideological echo chamber.
If this project has any hope of succeeding, there must be some mechanism to keep the assholes out before they can start trouble. Maybe by making it subscription-only, maybe by making it non-anonymous where people must use their real identity on the platform. I don't know. But once you let the Jesses on to your platform, it will go downhill from there.
This is where Jeff does what he accuses others of doing.^
Your ideal forum is one where you decide what is acceptable, and then doxxing anyone who dares dissent.
Also, YOU are the asshole here. Every time you search lion yourself into a discussion.
You can’t have open discussion if leftists are allowed. They shout down everyone else.
I don't want the platform to be centered around any one political group.
I'm sorry that you wasted your time, but this is impossible.
Nice. I hope it takes off.
It seems most politically neutral things end up dominated by one group or another. Like here, despite being a libertarian website, the comments are 95+% MAGA and often hostile to libertarianism and definitely to liberalism.
Heavy handed moderation to prevent that drives everyone away. I have no suggestions on how to navigate that, but I'm curious if you do.
I don't use social media myself, but if it functions like a message board and has ample activity, I'd give it a shot. Of course we have that here (for now at least). It would be nice to have more peaceful debates, but I like the unmoderated atmosphere here, even if I do get flamed on a daily basis for being anti-Trump.
Best of luck to you. I hope you're the next Elon!
Thanks Quicktown Brix for your accurate and thoughtful remarks!
What I find saddest of all... Well OK 3 things... About what happens right here is the 'A) Brain-dead, snot-even-funny kindergarten-level insults, and 'B) How the "conservatives" these days (here at least) aim to conserve NOTHING, not even democracy itself, except for their Tribe's POWER to PUNISH their enemas!, and 'C) How they BRAG about how CRUEL they want to be to their enemas, especially the illegal sub-humans (and of course the Demon-Craps)!
"A) Brain-dead, snot-even-funny kindergarten-level insults"
Funny.
Yeah. This stuff has been on steroids the past few months it seems.
Illegal Immigration and immigration enforcement, even more so than abortion, is THE largest chasm in the commentariat. It should be no surprise that vitriol spills forth when people’s motives for agreeing with enforcement of existing immigration law is constantly smeared as xenophobia, bigotry, racism and boot licking.
As though the idea that nation-states get to control who crosses their borders, or even have borders at all, is anathema to libertarianism. (Not that I’ve seen you do this per se, just noting why it may seem like things have ramped up as immigration enforcement has ramped up.)
That makes sense. Thanks, DesigNate.
You're right. Both sides of this debate are vitriolic and as much as one tries to argue with principles and facts, they get lumped together with dregs of their side by the other side. Just human behavior, I suppose.
Arizona AG Kris Mayes hints that illegal immigrants can shoot ICE officers under state stand your ground laws.
https://x.com/GarretLewis/status/2014501685809631369
Since Mike struggles with party affiliation, the state AG is in fact a Democrat.
“You have these masked, federal officers with very little identification — sometimes no identification — wearing plain clothes and masks and we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that says if you reasonably believe your life is in danger and you’re in your house or in your car or on your property, that you can defend yourself with lethal force.”
Mayes added, “It’s a fact that we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law and, in other states, un-uniformed, masked people who can’t be identified as police officers.”
“Now, you’re not allowed to shoot peace officers, but… how do you know they are a peace officer?”
It really is time to begin mss incarceration of radical democrats.
Wrong spot.
Another shooting in Minnesota, Waltz immediately fanning the flames:
https://x.com/GovTimWalz/status/2015093164999119352
St. Paul, Minnesota, allegedly pulled a gun on ICE agents in late December 2025. According to charging documents, Edwards followed two ICE agents in a blue pickup truck, acted as if he was drawing a firearm, and later placed a gun on his dashboard while yelling at the agents to leave. The incident occurred after the agents, conducting surveillance in a Home Depot parking lot, reported Edwards for erratic driving, blowing a whistle, and screaming at them.
ICE agents claimed one of them drew their weapon after Edwards appeared to reach for a gun, prompting Edwards to retrieve his own firearm. He reportedly said he would have shot an agent because the agent pointed a gun at him. Edwards was arrested and charged with obstructing the legal process and four counts of fifth-degree assault.
So saw the video. They try to arrest him for obstruction and he struggles with multiple officers while armed.
Get ready for the left to defend carrying weapons of war and high capacity magazines.
So asking the president to withdraw ICE from his state means "fanning the flames"? How so?
Very dishonest.
You didn't answer my question. Because you are, in fact, very dishonest.
I am devastated to learn of another person being killed by federal immigration agents in Minnesota. None of us are safer when human life isn't valued, laws aren't obeyed, and unidentified agents can terrorize and even kill people without any ramifications.
I promise to do everything in my power to hold this administration accountable and stop the violence, but it will take all of us. They must be stopped.
https://x.com/RepPettersen/status/2015117647919120630
Do you disagree with this message? If so, how?
Such a hypocrite.
So you do agree, or you don't agree? What is your answer?
It is the dishonest tactic of those who would employ the hecklers veto.
How is it "fanning the flames" to ask for ICE to withdraw? That would seem to be the opposite of "fanning the flames", no?
Should the cops have withdrawn from the capital on j6?
hmm 3 hrs and no reply...
plus- i figured the concept of hecklers veto was both obvious and appropriate here... law enforcement should just withdraw because indocrtrinated (read: brainwashed) yahoos are told to put themselves in danger and they dutifully obey. The legal duties are obligated to let lawlessness rule because idiots are ready to die for someone elses POLITICAL agenda.
In the campus case - people invited to speak must put up with having their event cancelled because indocrtrinated (read: brainwashed) yahoos are told to invade the audience of a talk and act like howler monkeys - in contradiction of the speakers free speech rights.
also - where did i even mention 'fanning the flames'?
Thank you for reminding me I had forgotten to reply to this comment.
law enforcement should just withdraw because indocrtrinated (read: brainwashed) yahoos are told to put themselves in danger and they dutifully obey.
I love how the people on the other side are not just opposed, but belittled and stripped of their agency. Maybe, those objecting to ICE are not "brainwashed", they are legitimately upset with what ICE is doing without anyone telling them to? Did that ever occur to you?
Were Trump supporters "brainwashed" in going to the Capitol on Jan. 6?
Maybe, the immediate problem here isn't the law per se, but the particular tactics being used to enforce the law, by unprofessional thugs with guns. Just imagine for a moment if ICE hadn't shot Renee Good, if they hadn't detained NATIVE AMERICANS as "illegals" in a very obvious case of racial profiling (if any group ought to be totally immune from ICE, it's Native Americans), if they weren't dragging citizens out of their houses claiming they were illegals, detaining them and the letting them go with no explanation, if they weren't dragging citizens out of a Target store while at work and then dropping them off at a Walmart a mile away, bloody and bruised, with no explanation, if they weren't labeling everyone who disagrees with them as "domestic terrorists", if they weren't first subduing protestors to the ground and THEN directly spraying chemical irritants into their eyes, if they weren't firing 'non-lethal' pepper balls at protestors at point-blank range, causing one of them to lose an eye, if they weren't starting petty fights and acting like thugs, maybe, the resistance to ICE's presence would be less.
Nobody read this Lying Jeffy.
The cops actually did "withdraw" on Jan. 6. They initially tried to resist the rioters from breaking in, but eventually they gave up. This led to dishonest cretins like ML claiming that the officers "invited" the rioters in. No, they just were unwilling to risk further injury in the pursuit of a lost cause.
Any more questions I can answer for you?
Just look at him go folks!
So you advocate limiting LE activities to only what a mob of radical ,racist de o rats deems acceptable?
Fuck you. Not happening. And I don’t care how many of you get yourselves killed in self defense by our brave ICE officers before you get the message.
Also, I think it is noteworthy that when yet another person is shot and killed by federal agents, your knee-jerk response is to dunk on Tim Walz. Not sympathy for the victim, not even defending (or criticizing) the agents' conduct, but using the death to try to score a political point.
Holy hypocrisy Batman!
How so?
So dishonest.
Yes you are. You are among the most dishonest posters here.
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Not sympathy for the victim, not even defending (or criticizing) the agents' conduct, but using the death to try to score a political point.
Jeff, tell us again about your views on Ashley Babbitt.
Ashli Babbitt (you could at least spell her name right) was committing an act of aggression and was shot in self-defense by an officer defending the lives and property of others. Agree or disagree?
Which officers life was at risk? The 3 on her side of the windows didnt seem concerned at all. She was unarmed as well. The officer who shot her admitted he didn't see or even attempt to get line of site before he shot.
You know we have video right?
You mean the officers who arrived AFTER she was shot?
Yes, there is video. You are so dishonest Jesse.
Everyone on the other side of the door that she was crawling through was at risk from her aggression. You do agree that she was the aggressor here, right? She was literally breaking windows and trying to crawl through.
No Fatfuck, YOU are the liar. Your hypocrisy is truly breathtaking.
Here you go.
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What is there to talk about?
From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.
They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren't supposed to be.
The only thing that matters to the morbidly obese pedophile is blind loyalty to the democrats. Anyone who dissents must be imprisoned or killed.
Dem's for brown slave votes is a tale as old as Dem's existence.
Interesting that part of the solution to avoid social media algorithms is to join reddit and bluesky.
Indoctrination is the most important thing.
This is some great advice. Don't let them passively control you, take active steps to wrest control of your digital life away from those who would indoctrinate you.
I've already started blocking a bunch of crap on Facebook when before I would just passively let it slide by. And I swear, there must be a cottage industry on Facebook and elsewhere that generates likes and clicks from poorly written AI slop. That as well deserves to be blocked IMO.
Hey Lying Jeffy, how did officials from Conejo Ramos' school know what happened if he was standing in his driveway?
There's video, and the government even admits it.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000010663630/ice-arrests-boy-minnesota.html
Do you believe in its entirety the government's account of what happened in this case?
You didn't answer my question, Lying Jeffy.
Look buddy. He only knows what blue sky tells him. You cant expect him to know more than the dem leftist narrative.
You didn't watch the video.
Do you believe in its entirety the government's account of what happened in this case?
You didn’t answer my question Lying Jeffy.
He won’t. He’s a disingenuous coward and propagandist. Not an honest debater.
Oh, I know.
Fatfuck clearly didn’t learn anything from the massive beatdown he got last weekend. We really need to double up on him this time.
You still didn't watch the video. The answer is there.
You won't even bother to listen to the answer, of course, because you are just a troll.
Tell us, do you believe in its entirety the government's account of what happened in this case?
Hey Lying Jeffy, how did officials from Conejo Ramos' school know what happened if he was standing in his driveway?
Because you are a troll, you are just trying to set a trap for me.
I provided a link to a video which is a responsive answer to your question. Either you refuse to watch it, or you ignore it because you are more interested in the trap than you are in the answer to the question.
And you're not going to answer my question, of course, because you don't give a shit about actually having a dialogue with me, only in trying to entrap me and troll me.
Does that about sum things up?
So just like SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad said.
What do you think of the conduct of the government on that day?
Hey Lying Jeffy, how did officials from Conejo Ramos' school know what happened if he was standing in his driveway?
Watch the video, dumbass.
Let me guess, the answer you are looking for is, "The school officials made it all up, they are all lying because they hate Trump and support criminals like the 5-year-old kid". Right?
What is your opinion on the government's conduct that day?
No Pedophile Jeff, YOU are the troll. You come here to peddle DNC narratives, lie, and derail actual discussion. And no, we’re not interested in your bullshit video. It’s almost certainly a bunch of crap. Plus you always deny real evidence when presented to you.
You may fuck off now.
I come here to promote liberty for all people. Which includes not just MAGA conservatives, by the way.
And no, we’re not interested in your bullshit video. It’s almost certainly a bunch of crap.
Is there any type of evidence at all that you would accept regarding this incident?
You have no interest in the liberty of anyone. Your interest has always been to promote a Sorosite ‘open society’ and unlimited passage of illegals into the US. And as you’ve previously stated, this includes violent criminals, and child rapists.
Oh, and the evidence is coming out. The shoot appears to be clean.
lol I don't give a shit about Soros and what he does.
Oh, and the evidence is coming out. The shoot appears to be clean.
What is your evidence for this claim?
(Let's see if he cites Breitbart or Gateway Pundit first!)
"(Let's see if he cites Breitbart or Gateway Pundit first!)"
The flailing is full go.
Oh I was not disappointed. SCOTUS cites Breitbart below.
Hey, you regularly cite DNC propaganda outlets. God forbid we ever cite a conservative run news organization that actually tells the truth.
And this concern trolling moral pearl clutching you engage in doesn’t work. We’ve all seen what a nasty piece of offal you really are when you’ve gotten mad. You don’t give a shit about anything but your open borders global Marxist crap. Millions could die and you would be happy just so long as you Neo Marxist democrats get your way.
Just for once, I would like for you to just try to put yourself in the shoes of people like the Ramoses.
You are inside your house, but government agents are outside your house with your son. They send your son to the door to knock on the door to get you to open the door. You know that if you open the door, there is a significant chance that the agents will force their way into your house and grab everyone in the house, possibly hurting or killing you in the process. If they detain you, you don't know where you will end up. Will you go back to your native country? Will you go to a torture prison in El Salvador? Will you be deported to Libya or Sudan? Who knows. You might also die while in custody, as many detained people have. What do you do? Do you open the door and risk death?
Crime always carries the risk that you get caught.
Life is indeed unfair.
They don't appear to have broken the law. They applied for asylum legally at a port of entry via the CBP One app.
Maybe they shouldn’t be here illegally in the first place. And your concern trolling is all bullshit designed to prevent any enforcement of immigration law. It’s not as if you give a fuck about these people.
You just want open borders.
Maybe they shouldn’t be here illegally in the first place.
It looks like they were here legally.
It’s not as if you give a fuck about these people.
That must be what you tell yourself to rationalize your own hatred and bigotry towards "these people". "It's okay if I hate them, everyone else hates them just as much as I do"
‘Looks like’? Or ARE here illegally? Funny how you always make copious use of weasel words and weasel phrasing. And we don’t hate most of them. Outside of the gangbangers and your fellow pedophiles, we have no animus towards them. They just need to go home. And that’s why ICE is there. But that doesn’t help advance your open borders Sorosite agenda.
You would gladly see large numbers of illegals die to advance your cause instead of just letting ICE enforce the rule of law and bring them in for lawful deportation.
You are pure evil.
‘Looks like’? Or ARE here illegally?
Because I am not 100% certain, I said "looks like". The family, the schools, and the lawyer all say that they were seeking asylum via the legal process. ICE claims they were here illegally, but they also have been known to detain legal asylum seekers and then claim they were here illegally after the fact. So I don't trust ICE on this.
What is your evidence that they were here illegally?
Despite your lies, ICE has a very low error rate. So I have no reasonable doubt that they are here illegally. But you always demand absolute proof of anything contrary to your unproven propagandist narratives.
Also, your interpretation of what constitutes ’legal asylum seekers’ doesn’t comport with actual immigration law.
Swiping right on Biden’s asylum app (which had no basis in law) doesn’t make someone a ‘legal asylum seeker’.
I don't want "absolute proof". Just any evidence would be illuminating. You provide nothing. What is the basis for your claim that ICE has a "very low error rate"? Does this error rate include deportations of people who came here legally, with pending asylum cases?
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1158&num=0&edition=prelim
Oh, but you are going to say "but safe third country!" The law continues:
Emphasis added. The only nation which has one of these "bilateral or multilateral" agreements with the US, is Canada. None of the Latin American countries do.
So, what is your evidence that these asylum seekers are not here legally?
Yep, same Chemjeff bullshit. Spewing a bunch of random facts amd insisting on all kinds of proof when you never really supply any yourself. Why do you act like we all haven’t watched your act for the last decade? You just want open borders no matter what and will engage in endless sea lioning pedantry to filibuster through a discussion rather than engage in honest debate.
We’re not going to play. Your endless demands for a standard of proof that you refuse to adhere to now fall on deaf ears. Why would any of us waste that much time to satisfy an open borders zealot and liar?
lol too funny. You can't admit that I bested you so you just stamp your feet and whine.
You said "your interpretation of what constitutes ’legal asylum seekers’ doesn’t comport with actual immigration law", I cite the actual fucking law, and then you have the nerve to say "spewing a bunch of random facts amd [sic] insisting on all kinds of proof when you never really supply any yourself". You couldn't have said "I lost" any more clearly.
You just want open borders
I favor the free migration of peaceful people. You obviously don't. I have presented rational arguments in favor of my position for years now. What have you contributed? A pile of insults, empty threats to execute progressives, and a false insistence that your concern is about their legal status, when we both know your actual concern is about the culture and identity of the migrants. You don't want them here because of who they are, not because of what law they may or may not have broken.
Now if I'm wrong, say so, clearly, logically and without the insults. But I don't think I am. And I don't think you can.
Millions of these asylum seekers clicked on an app put out bu Biden’s handlers. Which is in not something that the executive branch can do legally. Therefore the people that did so are not lawfully present. Biden fucked them. That doesn’t mean they get a pass no matter how hard you wish.
Case closed.
And just to be clear:
"SCOTUS"'s whole argument is "because I trust the state".
Why? Because YOU say so? Fuck off with your bullshit.
They just need to go home.
Why?
If you say "because they are here illegally", then (a) that's not always true for the migrants that ICE is detaining, and (b) well, the government could simply grant them all amnesty, and then they wouldn't be illegal immigrants anymore, satisfying your "illegal" concern.
Why is the one and only proper solution to illegal immigration that you will accept is mass deportation? Why are all other potential solutions off the table?
That is where the animus comes in to play.
And no, I don't want to see any migrants die.
Because that’s how it works, and for good reason. You wishing for mass amnesty and borderless bullshit means nothing under the law, and nothing otherwise. America is a sovereign country with defined borders. Case closed.
You can always move to some country that has no borders. Oh wait, that doesn’t exist.
Yes, currently, the law permits mass deportation. But for those of who who continually obsess over "illegal immigration", the proposed solution of amnesty - which would ALSO mean that they would no longer be illegal immigrants - never seems to be on the table for your team. Why is that?
And no, I don't favor "amnesty for murderers", because I'm sure you're going to go there next - I favor amnesty for peaceful migrants.
Why should we reward illegals at all? Just send them home.
Why should we ignore the great benefit that peaceful immigrants are to this country?
If a person has been here 20 years without incident, peacefully living their lives, then their much larger contributions overshadow a *misdemeanor* from so long ago.
Just like we don't hold jaywalking or traffic tickets against people for the rest of their lives provided that they are otherwise peaceful, why shouldn't it be the same way for immigration?
"Why should we ignore the great benefit that peaceful immigrants are to this country?"
Ummm... Because then the illegal-sub-humans-haters would have to cum up with a NEW scapegoat? Scapegoating poverty, illness, ignorance, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc., isn't enough... We just MUST have HUMAN scapegoats who we can watch SUFFERING!!!
(Is there video? Asking... For a fiend of mine!)
CUM!
Haha I’m so funny
Why is the one and only proper solution to illegal immigration that you will accept is mass deportation?
Because rewarding bad behavior erases the distinction between citizen and criminal.
Why be upstanding if you can outwait the authorities?
He’s a typical leftist. The only laws that matter are the knees that advance DNC agendas and narratives. Am donkey when they are convenient to those purposes.
letting ICE enforce the rule of law
If ICE was MERELY "enforcing the rule of law", then there wouldn't be this scale of mass protests. The problem is when ICE agents run around and act like unprofessional masked thugs. They detain people who are *following the law*, they treat protestors unnecessarily roughly (which I'm sure you like, but it is also unprofessional), they are racially profiling, and frankly the only reason why they were sent to Minneapolis - and not, say, Texas - is political revenge against a blue state with a governor that dared to oppose Team Trump in the last election.
No, they are not the Gestapo, they are acting instead like a street gang. If the government would back off from the thuggish behavior, and actually respect the law, warrants, due process, and the civil rights of protestors, then they would earn a lot more trust from lots more people. Instead they are "making an example" out of Minneapolis and it shows.
The acquisition and deportation of illegals would run smoothly if your kind quit obstructing and violently insurrecting. Clearly, your intention is to increase lawlessness to the point that it breaks the will of the government so you can keep your illegals. This makes you a traitor, and an enemy of the rule of law and our constitutional republic.
You are the enemy within.
The deportation of illegals would also go more smoothly if ICE behaved professionally and respected the law, instead of acting like thugs with guns.
When are you going to demand holding ICE accountable for their egregiously unprofessional behavior?
They that’s just a meaningless, unsupported narrative you’re pushing in lockstep with your DNC masters. And notice how you, who pedantically demands constant irrefutable proof for every little thing, makes sweeping pronouncements about our federal officers without any offer of proof whatsoever. As usual, you are a liar, and DNC propagandist.
When are you going to demand that radical Marxist Democrat insurrectionists be held legal accountable for their ongoing criminal actions? I’m guessing the near is never, as they are your fellow travelers.
They that’s just a meaningless, unsupported narrative you’re pushing in lockstep with your DNC masters.
lol, anyone watching the many, many videos out there documenting ICE's behavior can plainly see for themselves their thuggish behavior, they don't need "DNC talking points" to form that conclusion for themselves.
You should try reading some commentary from outside of your bubble. The comments I have seen from "the Left" about this, they criticize the DNC for being too meek and spineless. Literally no one, not on the left or on the right, is being led around by "DNC talking points" on this.
Here is one of many examples of ICE unprofessionalism:
ICE agents subdue a protestor and pin him to the ground. Then, while he is completely supine, another ICE officer sprays him in the face with a chemical irritant.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/22/us/video/minneapolis-protester-sprayed-face-chemicals-vrtc
Now, I'm sure you are gleeful that the "libtard" "got what he deserved", but the rest of the country sees this as thuggish unprofessional behavior.
Here’s the kind of shot ICE has to deal with from you rioting pinko traitor insurrectionists.
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2026/01/24/federal-agents-finger-bitten-off-alleged-minneapolis-rioter/
The only reason any of this is happening is because of the unlawful acts of your fellow travelers. Period. And we all know your kind selectively edit your videos to create a false perspective that in no way reflects the true context of the contentious situations you create.
The only reason any of this is happening is because of the unlawful acts of your fellow travelers.
It is the other way around. Protestors are out in force in Minneapolis, even in freezing cold weather, because ICE is thugging it up.
People often note that Obama deported more people than Trump did, and yet there weren't these massive protests happening then. That's true. But what is also true is that Obama didn't send a bunch of undertrained, underprepared thugs into cities for mass door-to-door operations, and if an officer screwed up, he also didn't blame the victim and accused everyone opposing him of being domestic terrorists.
“But what is also true is that Obama didn't send a bunch of undertrained, underprepared thugs into cities for mass door-to-door operations, and if an officer screwed up, he also didn't blame the victim and accused everyone opposing him of being domestic terrorists.“
Note how Pedo Jeffy makes vague unsubstantiated claims as fact. Even though he produces no facts or evidence. Just his proclamation. The bottom line is that ICE could do their job quietly and efficiently if they weren’t being criminally obstructed and assaulted by violent Marxist Democrat insurrectionists.
“Obama didn't send a bunch of undertrained, underprepared thugs into cities for mass door-to-door operations, and if an officer screwed up”
That’s because the majority of Obama’s deportations were actually turned away at the border. Something you guys wailed and gnashed your teeth about when Trump did it in his first term and was immediately stopped when Pudding Pop took office.
Also, just by the shear volume of interactions/detainments/deportations, it’s pretty obvious ICE is doing a damn good job of not being undertrained or underprepared.
No solution other than to kill one's addiction to being online is actually helpful.
...or don't live on the Internet.
Is it just me or is this Reason moving to step 2?:
1. It's not happening.2. Ok, it's happening, but it's not as bad as you say!
3. It's as bad as you say, and it's awesome!
Washington State is coming after your 3D printers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/3d-printing/washington-state-proposes-new-3d-printed-gun-controls-with-blocking-features-and-blueprint-detection-algorithm-proposal-would-carry-sentences-of-five-years-in-prison-usd15-000-fine-for-violation.
Seems to violate the 1st and 2nd amendments.
I wish the administration would put Washington under martial law.
I disagree. We should funnel all the Marxists (which includes all of the blm, woke, dsa, progressives, communists, illegals, etc..)
Into Washington and say "here you go, this is your land do with it what you want. You have fertile ground and port access. You are your own land"
You can trade with the US, but you cannot live or work here. All travel requires a visa, as you are a hostile territory. "
Once they all die, clean it out and be a better nation
I don’t want more of them here. I want them gone, or deposited into landfills. There is zero reason to give them anything, other than passage to Somalia, Antarctica, or some other shithole far away from America.
I’ve always said that we should never cede one square inch of sovereign American soil to this Marxist filth. And I stand by that. The truth is that these creatures will force us to build America’s salvation on a foundation of Marxist skulls.
And 5th
The Drivers Cooperative in New York City is worker-owned, competing directly with Uber and Lyft.
I actually went to the website because I'm curious to see their model, what they charge and if they were a reasonable competitor with a shot.
First thing I see: a promo photo where everyone is COVID masked... in twenty fucking twenty six. I guess this is what seizing the means of production will look like.
I also watched the video. I with them success, and I say that unironically. But if you watch the promo video, I'm trying to figure out how Reason celebrating this company isn't essentially "Making the Libertarian Case for Zohran Mamdani". Seriously.
It's a company that claims to be Democratically run. This is, at least in part, the Marxist vision.
If I were young and lived in New York City, I'd actually consider working... *thinks* with them to experience the process of a democratically run corporation where every worker has an "owner's stake".
Like an immigrant reporter, I'm starting to do the research that regular American Reporters won't do. They've been in business in NYC long enough for people to have a read on how they operate.
Warning, this is a random reddit post from a user named DocumentNYC. I have no idea if any of this is true, but I have to say, it feels exactly like it's going the way every cooperative in the history of coops have gone:
Further research might suggest that reddit account "DocumentedNYC" is an account operated by this website:
It's a long-form version of the Reddit post above with supporting links and the like.
Um... leave it to Reason to use as a reference a 5 year old company that's already on downhill slide as a "cooperative, collective, marxist-ey vision run by a system of universal suffrage" as a way to make yourself all indy and shit.
Oh jesus fuck...
These tard nuggets announced a $30 minimum wage before they even had a fully developed concept. This is what happens when you try to make nice with the lefties, Reason. But anyway, Republicans... amirite?
The story on this trainwreck literally writes itself.
"Where'd you like, hear about the Marx/Engles Worker's Collective Driving Equitable Experience, maaan?"
"It was when I was going to the New School!"
"Far out, man!"
Ha. You think they'll have citizens driving after even a year? See fake Uber and Lyft accounts.
"Making the Libertarian Case for Zohran Mamdani"
No, it is "Making the Libertarian Case for Freedom of Association".
If Mamdani fans want to start their own socialist-lite collective, they ought to have the liberty to do so.
Of course, this is an old-school traditional libertarian belief, focusing on liberty and all that, instead of culture or identity.
I suppose the "correct" Modern Online Libertarian Thing is to support freedom of association, but only for the "correct" types of associations. Like Christians starting a private school where kids learn that Jesus rode dinosaurs. That type of freedom of association is totes awesome. But the one where anyone vaguely left-of center does left-of-center-type-things, even if voluntarily, that must be repressed by the state or something.
“Like Christians starting a private school where kids learn that Jesus rode dinosaurs. That type of freedom of association is totes awesome.”
So dishonest.
And every syllable he writes is about advancing a Sorosite open borders global Marxist hegemony.
Excellent, looks like another worthless communist piece of shit got himself killed in Minneapolis.
Keep 'em coming, the more the better, and good riddance to you too. The only good communist is a dead communist.
So you’re saying that the insurrectionist Democrat finally became a good commie?
I guess we need to move to smaller and smaller bubbles to make sure nobody disagrees with us.
Or just round up the Marxists and make them go away forever.
So, the body on the latest victim isn't even cold yet and there's Stephen Miller already calling him a "domestic terrorist" and accusing him of assassination.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26?t=1769281633699
I mean, at this point, you all know that he's lying, right? No one could possibly know at this early juncture all the facts of what happened. And yet so many of you know he's lying, but say nothing, because (I presume) if you call out their lies, it gives "aid and comfort to the Left". And that, I suppose, is even worse than the government telling official lies to the entire nation.
You believed all the government propaganda about Covid.
So you’re accusing him of using the Pedo Jeffy Playbook? Are you upset because you see that as an infringement of your IP?
And, once again, it is tragic that another human life was taken in these protests.
I saw the video, and it sure doesn't look like the guy was threatening anyone. He was on the ground being beaten by about 3 or 4 ICE agents when you can hear the gunshot go off. I don't know how a person on the ground, supine, and being beaten, can possibly be a threat to anyone.
Tell us again about how you feel about the girl that got shot in the face on j6.
He thinks a completely unarmed woman who was literally breaking windows and trying to crawl through was a threat worthy of deadly force to a greater number of armed DC police.
Your account of events is meaningless. We have YEARS of evidence that showcases your dishonesty and DNC propaganda.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstNazis/s/iTIf0UfG7G
Here's what he was doing before the interaction. Walking around filming.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1qluz6q/another_angle_of_the_minneapolis_shooting_taken/
Here's him trying to help up a woman who was shoved to the ground before ICE starts wrestling with him.
These guys are so poorly trained it's fatal.
Cool story, pinko. Got any more DNC bullshit you want to puke up here?
There is no line.
For the all you can eat buffet? Yes, I’m sure you’re ecstatic about that, but why tell me?
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qlvmf5/another_closer_angle_showing_him_trying_to/
Here's the angle where you can see him fully disarmed. The gun comes out on the ground by the agent with the Grey coat.
At that point they are beating the shit out of an unarmed man. As soon as one agent decides to fire (or maybe it was accidental discharge during a pistol whip) they all panic and fill him with bullets.
Before he died, he tried to deescalate by raising his hands and backing away, and trying to help a woman stand up. For this he was executed.
This is a clown agency bungling up their mission terribly.
After resisting arrest and fighting with cops he tried to deescalate...
Fucking hilarious.
Shorter Jesse: comply or die
Your insurrectionist friends, like Renee Good, are trained to escalate where ICE is attempting to deescalate. They are useful idiots for scum like George and Alex Soros, who are joyful when your friends turn these situations violent. As deescalation isn’t useful for pushing DNC propaganda.
Every death you cause is another propaganda victory, right comrade Fatfuck?
Yes, "escalate" like Renee Good, who said “That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you.” Wow. That's some severe "escalation".
Her escalation was when she decided to not comply with the order to get out and instead listened to her girlfriend and tried to speed off, hitting the officer.
Every death you cause is another propaganda victory
Only one of us has openly called for the mass murder of political opponents, and it isn't me.
You certainly implied it. And I’m fine with zero violence. All that is required is the complete and unconditional surrender of the Marxist democrat party. It we know a bunch of rabid Marxists who are scarcely capable of human levels of cognition will never do that.
Mark my words, at the rate you’re going, the salvation of our constitutional republic will be built on a foundation of Marxist skulls. All through your own doing.
And what was he doing right before he was being put under arrest?
Youre too dumb to realize your irrelevant interactions prior to the confrontation are meaningless aren't you.
Im really not surprised you fall for leftist propaganda.
Fatfuck is out in fat force today pushing his DNC talking points and fake narratives.
These guys are so poorly trained it's fatal.
I know, right? And it is OBVIOUS to anyone paying attention that they are NOT behaving like ordinary trained law enforcement does. It is much worse. You would think that the "Law and Order" crowd would want to see some more discipline applied to these guys, because they are undermining their own credibility if they think they want us to believe that the ICE Street Gang represents proper policing. Everyone else sees that and sees thugs with guns.
If your kind really believe that, maybe they should steer clear of ICE. Especially when you’re trained to cause more violence.
Reeeeason yesterday:
We need the 2A to fight ICE agents
Today:
Armed antifa terrorist fucked around and found out while trying to stop ICE from arresting an illegal for violent assult
Keep the lies coming.
If that’s true, then patriotic Americans are free to use 2A to exterminate the Marxist rebellion as we see fit.
Will be interesting to see what happens in 72 hours and if any body cams show anything, but videos initially look like bad shoot.
Putting aside all the caveats against everyone involved that will be well covered and just the events from 4-5 people being on him on the ground...it really looks like he was not in any position to draw his gun if he could, he's being controlled by 3-4 dudes. Furthermore, it appears pretty clear the one agent disarmed him enough time before shooting started.
I think they saw the gun, at least 1 of them starts shouting "gun gun", and panic shooting ensues. I really dont see an angle where this dude drew, much less drew and fired.
And you have 4 dudes on top of him, even if you see a gun in his waist, that does not equal need to fire. If I found myself somehow stopped for some reason (granted, im not a retard and wouldnt resist arrest, much less put myself in harms way purposefully, somewhat of a Darwin award), I would hope someone doesnt panic and yell "GUN" and then I get shot for it.
Seems like the dude was a fucking retard. Really looks like a bad shoot, IMO
Which videos have you seen?
This one says you can see him draw, but I can't tell what is going on.
https://rumble.com/v74sljq-slowed-down-video-shows-the-armed-man-in-minneapolis-start-to-draw-pistol-o.html?mref=8g74p&mc=1tbdj
Agreed. You can't tell from that vid.
I've also seen people claim they've seen the shooting from multiple angles, but this video is the only one I found and it's hard to tell what's going on.
Best I can tell from the 'lady in pink' video:
1. Several agents are trying to arrest the terrorist.
2. Terrorist is actively resisting arrest.
3. Looks like the terrorist is going to be beat into submission but isn't giving up.
4. The agents suddenly back off, one agent draws his pistol, one turns and runs away, the one who drew his weapon appears to be the one who eventually shoots.
5. The terrorist rises to his knees, free from all the agents.
6. The terrorist's right elbow, bent at 90 degrees, moves reward consistent with a sweep of a jacket to get to a holster.
7. Agents shoot and he falls.
Still can't tell if he was just getting up or trying to draw. The elbow sweep is consistent with drawing from concealed and the agents all suddenly backing away is consistent with them seeing a weapon.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/border-patrol-agent-shoots-armed-suspect-minneapolis
You mean Pedo Jeffy’s DNC narrative is bullshit? I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked!
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qlvmf5/another_closer_angle_showing_him_trying_to/
Here's another angle if you'd like more info on what he was doing that made him a "terrorist".
Mostly filming, throwing his hands up in submission while backing away, and trying to help a woman who was shoved to the ground.
Terrorism is getting nuts these days. I'm glad we have brave heroes around to stop it.
This angle also shows how long he was fully disarmed before shots were fired. You can see the gun on the ground after the agent in grey disarms him.
You missed Spiritus post above I see. Not part of the reddit retard analysis?
The thing on ground appears to be a can of pepper spray, dropped by an agent drawing his weapon.
Frame to frame analysis, I see the terrorist's jacket get swept back and what appears to be a gun in his hand just before getting shot in the next frame. If I could post images I would post the screen grabs.
Was he resisting arrest and fighting off cops? Yes or no Murray retard.
Yes, he was resisting arrest.
That's not a capital offense in America. That's what I mean by the agents being clowns that are poorly trained. A single CPD officer would have had that guy cuffed in seconds. Alive.
It can be. Depending on the specifics. Like trying to kill the agent, at anything related to grabbing the agent’s gun.
If you faggots don’t want to die, then stop attacking ICE officers and instructing their lawful operations. If you don’t, we’ll, this is what will happen periodically.
Thanks for the links to these clearer videos. Still hard to see what's happening but the gray coat guy does seem to be walking away with what I'm guessing is the gun in question prior to the first shot.
Sadly it appears no one was trying to deescalate.
*can of pepper spray
It is hard to tell what is in his hand like all the videos. The 'grip' angle is too obstuse to be a sig 320 which is close to 90 degrees. If it is a gun, the grip angle is more like a glock. It doesn't appear to be two tone like the posted terrorist's gun. But it doesn't look entire cylindrical like pepper spray. Could be the agents gun.
I see what you mean about the angle. I was thinking he was holding the gun pinched near the slide/hammer with the grip pointed toward the camera. I'm pretty sure it's not the gray coat's gun because he went in empty handed. But beyond that, I can't say anything for sure.
The gray coat guy does seem to be doing his best just trying to get the weapon (or whatever) and otherwise doing a respectable job.
Better pics show that was his gun. Looking like a bad shoot.
Some are saying he was grabbing for a phone, not a gun.
"Some are saying"
The first example in the dictionary for "weasel words".
Pedo Jeffy excels in weasel speech. The late great Scott Adams could have done several chapters featuring Jeffy in his book ‘Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel’.
Your Marxist Democrat insurrectionist friends are trained in escalation. And this is the result.
trying to help a woman who was
shoved to the groundobstructing law enforecment from arresting an illegal wanted for violent assultThe "terrorist" that was liberated from existence was a nurse for the VA.
This shit is so sad.
terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
/ ˈtɛr əˌrɪz əm /
noun
the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
Unlawful use of violence: Had a gun, attacked agents.
goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives: wanted ICE out and illegals free, see also open borders marxist
If that's "terrorism", then ANYONE who must defend himself against aggression from an officer of the state is ALSO a "terrorist".
Indeed.
Take your one shot, don't miss.
I remember being a republican in the 90s, and hating Janet Reno and her federal goons using unnessesary force against communities that wanted to be left alone.
Now the Republican mantra is simply "comply or die. your choice, terrorist". It's been a wild few decades indeed.
I held on till the war on terror/domestic spying and being cool with torture.
I too remember the 90's after the Oklahoma City bombing when Bill Clinton's government was hell bent on finding 'domestic terrorists' everywhere. Then, libertarians and (some) Republicans were pushing back and objecting to the entire concept of 'domestic terrorism' in the first place. After all, any act of violence that a real terrorist might commit, there are already laws on the books that prohibit such an act. Recall that Tim McVeigh, a person who very reasonably could fall under any sensible definition of 'domestic terrorist', was never charged with a crime of terrorism and he was convicted, sentenced and executed just the same.
Now, of course, we have people who want to label people who resist a beating as "domestic terrorists".
What convoluted bullshit argument. Look Weaselbert, just because they didn’t charge McVeigh specifically on ‘terror charges’, based on statutes that tray have been very different pre 9/11, has no bearing on the terrorist activities of Marxist democrats today.
And you didn’t even address the significance of what would have happened had McVeigh had a bear in his trunk.
So? Does a nursing license or VA employment somehow authorize vioemt insurrectionist activities against federal officers? Funny how Ashley Babbitt, who was a member of the US military, and not directly threatening anyone, gets shot in the face, with none of this concern trolling from your kind.
Just tell us the truth. It’s only a tragedy when your kind get hurt committing acts of insurrection and treason, right?
My kind is humans. And yes, it's a tragedy when they get shot. Ashley too.
"Why are all other potential solutions off the table?"
ChemJeff asks this way above. Let's hear from the Democratic Party what those solutions might be?
Amnesty for all with a road to citizenshuip? 3 million new immigrants per year? Open Borders? No deportation if immigrant commits a felony? Sponsorships with welfare only for children?Gingrich et al had a "Contract with America" that was well publicized and discussed, and then voted upon in a general election. While it is unrealistic to suppose a Democrat Party plan will make it to the floor of the House right now, why aren't they articulating one and shouting it from the rooftops as their solution to this problem? Yes, I'm asking you to pin down solutions so they can be discussed without all the "you are distorting what we want" or "that's not what we mean" chaff.
My bet would be the Democrats' solution would be just to tinker with the existing system a little bit. Maybe if there is another Bureau of Immigration Oversight or something, and hire a few more bureaucrats, everything would be fixed...
They don't really have a plan as far as I can see. Which is part of the problem and one reason why Trump won. If voters see a bad plan compared to no plan, they are likely to choose the bad plan and then "hope" it works out. Same dynamic was in play with Obamacare when it passed - Democrats proposed a bad plan, Republicans had nothing but objection and whining, and that is part of what led to Obama winning.
The libertarian solution, of course, is free migration with minimal restrictions. That is what I tend to support.
Yes, I believe that is the libertarian solution, usually accompanied by the caveat that the welfare state has to disappear too. And, in 2026 America, that solution will not achieve electoral success. Dems need a plan that will win a majority of votes but seem afraid to propose one. As you say, no plan probably loses to bad plan every time.
Thing is, there is a terrific opportunity for a third party to make some waves. The Dems are going through their own "Trump moment" that the Republicans had in 2016 when they have to decide whether to continue with establishment-type thinking or to go with the outsider who will break the mold. It's looking more and more likely that the Dems are going to go with an outsider-type candidate, a Bernie/Liz Warren/AOC/Mamdani-type progressive firebrand who will excite the radical base. And if that happens, and of course the Republicans are going to nominate a MAGA-clone like Vance or Rubio, then we will have both parties catering to their extreme bases leaving the majority in the middle behind. If the libertarians could find a Milei-type candidate, charismatic, attuned to the politics of the day, and who is sincere in his libertarian bona-fides but knows enough to shut up about the more extreme nonsense, that person could really make some headway with the overwhelming middle.
Your plan involves open borders and amnesty. That will not happen. If you want to die on that hill, we’re fine with that.
What are you afraid of?
Note that I favor free movement of peaceful people.
No, you support antifa, BLM, and their violent activities, currently in Minneapolis, Portland, etc.. As usual, everything that comes out of your mouth is a lie. You applaud and defend violent, murdering, raping, child molesting democrats all the time.
We’re the peaceful ones, not you.
Oh, also:
After the first shot, agents appear to have shot him *nine more times*. That isn't what professionals do, that's what amateur thugs do.
I love to hear the uninformed opinions of armchair combat ‘experts’ such as yourself, that get winded reaching for the TV remote.
Here is your feel-good story for the day:
The violent gangbanger illegal invader scumbags who were riding along with ICE officers after being detained, saved the life of one of them when he had a seizure.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/detained-by-ice-two-women-became-first-responders-during-agent-s-seizure/ar-AA1UQDi4
“We were willing to do for this man, this human, what they were not willing to do for Renee Good,” Zemien said.
I’ll take ‘bullshit narratives that didn’t Harlem that way’ for $600 Alex.
I've watched all of the videos posted and am unable to reach any conclusions. But just to add some context, when I woke up this morning in northern Illinois the outdoor temperature was 11 below zero. Minneapolis was probably colder. This is serious frostbite weather and most people around here don't wander the streets unless they absolutely have to. Jussie Smollet might get a hankering for a Subway sandwich but sane people just hunker down and pray for better days. Legal observers (HAHAHA) may not all be retards but I'm beginning to believe that there may be a disproportionate number of retards in Minneapolis. Might explain why they didn't notice that the fraudsters were robbing them blind.
Oh, this is totally on brand for this admin.
So, Todd Blanche isn't going to investigate Jonathan Ross for killing Renee Good. But he DOES want to investigate... Renee Good.
https://www.ms.now/news/doj-sought-to-probe-renee-good-for-criminal-liability-even-after-her-death-sources
She should be investigated. Who trained and encouraged her to get herself killed like that? Who funds those people? What other violence are they planning?
We absolutely should be investigating to find out the source of this domestic terrorism.
She should be investigated.
Do you want to dig up her corpse and burn it in the town square?
SCOTUS says she should be investigated, then gives three specific reasons why. Lying Jeffy ignores all of that and asks if he wants her investigated so he can dig up her corpse and burn it in the town square.
Normally I would lead with how dishonest this is from Lying Jeffy, but in this case I'm going to point out that Lying Jeffy is a psychopath that imagines his enemies want to dig up corpses so they can burn them.
Hey Lying Jeffy, this kind of reminds me of the time you got so mad you accused me of anally raping my sister. Then you muted me for awhile because you realized I exposed what a psychopath you are.
Bears in trunks is funny. Anally raping sisters, and now exhuming bodies to incinerate for pollical points, is fucking psychotic. Get help.
What a ridiculous statement. As if you have to dog up a corpse to investigate their prior activities and associations.
Swing and a miss, Weaselbert.
obv no need to investigate Good (dead), but her and her partner committed crimes, so should at least investigate the partner
lol
Trump isn't going to attend the Super Bowl, because he claims "it's too far away"
https://www.reuters.com/sports/trump-will-not-attend-super-bowl-because-its-too-far-away-he-tells-ny-post-2026-01-24/
Sorry, I don't think that's the real reason. I think it's because his huge but fragile ego cannot stand being booed on camera at the Super Bowl for the whole world to see.
Trump is a rockstar. He typically gets massive applause at these events. But he’s busy. Unfucking everything you and your treasonous friend shave wrought, and trying to end international threats from your allies in the Iranian regime, Cuba, the ChiComs, etc.. Plus that pesky Ukraine war that Biden started.
Yes, Trump is just so, so busy.
From 2025:
Trump becomes first U.S. president to attend Super Bowl
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/10/nx-s1-5290237/trump-becomes-first-u-s-president-to-attend-super-bowl
I doubt even Jesse buys the "too busy" argument.
You know exactly why he's not going. Because he would get massive boos, and probably also because he hates Bad Bunny. So why not just say that?
Oh, I know why! Because you are a moron who reflexively hates me and has to oppose everything I say!
HE WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL!
You’re so desperate Weaselbert. Your tds is so advanced that you’re even obsessing over Trump attending or not attending the Super Bowl.
Why don’t you call it a day and go dig into your current 55 gallon drum of Ben & Jerry’s?
HE'S NOT GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!