ICE Agents Flouted DHS Policies That Could Have Prevented Renee Good's Death
DHS tells officers to use "de-escalation tactics," employ "a verbal warning" instead of force when feasible, and avoid "placing themselves in positions" that trigger the use of deadly force.
When Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross approached Renee Good's Honda Pilot at 9:35 a.m. on Wednesday, January 7, his cellphone video of the encounter shows, she was smiling at him. "That's fine, dude," Good assured Ross from the driver's seat, apparently referring to the fact that he was recording her. "I'm not mad at you." Within two minutes, Ross had fatally shot Good. "Fucking bitch," he said as the unguided SUV careened down the street before crashing into a parked car.
The controversy over that shooting has focused mainly on the question of whether it was legally justified, which depends on whether Ross reasonably believed, given "the totality of the circumstances," that the use of deadly force was necessary to protect himself, his colleagues, or the general public from the threat Good allegedly posed as she began to drive away. But the swift escalation from a calm interaction to lethal gunfire also raises questions about how Ross and the other ICE agents at the scene handled the encounter before he killed Good—in particular, whether they followed policies and practices aimed at avoiding such outcomes.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which includes ICE, emphasizes that its employees "may use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist and may use only the level of force that is objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances confronting [the officer] at the time force is applied." Because "respect for human life" is a guiding principle, the DHS policy says, officers should be "proficient in a variety of techniques that could aid them in appropriately resolving an encounter," including "de-escalation tactics." De-escalation, DHS explains, is "the use of communication or other techniques during an encounter to stabilize, slow, or reduce the intensity of a potentially violent situation without using physical force, or with a reduction in force."
There is little evidence that Ross or his colleagues took that guidance to heart. The problem they initially confronted was not complicated: Good had positioned her car sideways on Portland Avenue, partly blocking the one-way street and forcing motorists to drive around her. "We stopped to support our neighbors," Good's wife later told Minnesota Public Radio. "We had whistles. They [the ICE agents] had guns."
The orange whistles to which she referred, one of which can be seen around her neck in Ross' video, are a favorite tool of anti-ICE protesters in Minneapolis, who blow them when they see ICE agents in action. Antonio M. Romanucci, a lawyer for Good's family, told The New York Times that Good and her wife had just dropped Good's son off at school and were driving home when they saw ICE agents and decided to stop.
"That was something that was happening very close to where they live," Romanucci said. "And just like anybody else who lives in the neighborhood, if there's activity in the neighborhood, they're going to be asking what's going on." Although Romanucci declined to comment on Good's prior activism, her wife's whistle, her wife's comments in Ross' video, and a message that Good shared with parents at her son's school indicate that the couple, who moved to Minneapolis last March, had been involved in anti-ICE protests for a while.
Good stopped near several unmarked ICE vehicles and had been there a few minutes when ICE agents first approached her. A witness reported that one of the agents initially told Good to drive away, which would have been a straightforward and peaceful way to resolve the situation. But another agent took a more aggressive approach. "Get out of the car," he told Good. "Get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car."
Immediately after those rapid-fire commands, bystander video shows, that agent grabbed the handle of the front driver's side door and reached into the car. At that point, the car backed up a bit and then started moving forward, the front wheels turned to the right—away from the ICE agents. "Drive, baby, drive," said Good's wife, who was standing outside the car. Ross, who initially was standing near the SUV's left headlight but quickly moved out of its path, responded by firing three shots into the car, one through the lower left corner of the windshield and two through the front driver's side window.
According to DHS Secretary Kristi Noem, President Donald Trump, and Vice President J.D. Vance, all of those shots were fired in self-defense. Whether or not you agree, it is easy to imagine an alternative scenario in which Good would still be alive. If the agents had simply allowed her to leave, which would have addressed the problem that provoked their intervention, the threat that Ross perceived never would have arisen. Instead, the ICE agents seemed determined to forcibly remove Good from the car and arrest her, which presumably was the outcome that Good tried to avoid by driving away.
"When feasible, prior to the application of force, [officers] must attempt to identify themselves and issue a verbal warning to comply with [their] instructions," the DHS policy says. In this case, the ICE agent who grabbed Good's car did not identify himself. And while he did issue commands that might qualify as "a verbal warning," he immediately resorted to the use of force without giving Good a reasonable chance to comply.
In these circumstances, it was surely unwise for Good to react the way she did. And if her car "clipped" Ross (as the New York Post describes it) before he got out of the way, her recklessness demonstrably endangered him. But whether you view his reaction as justified self-defense or angry retaliation, all of this could have been avoided if the ICE agents had kept their cool.
It also could have been avoided if Ross had not carelessly positioned himself in front of Good's car, which was contrary to DHS policy as well as standard police training. DHS warns that officers should "avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force."
That is not just good practical advice. It can figure in the legal analysis of whether a particular use of force was consistent with the Fourth Amendment.
Last year in Barnes v. Felix, the Supreme Court emphasized that a court assessing the use of deadly force "must consider all the relevant circumstances, including facts and events leading up to the climactic moment." That case involved a Texas police officer who stopped a car for suspected toll violations. After endangering himself by jumping on the car as it began to move again, he addressed the resulting hazard by shooting the driver dead. The justices unanimously rejected the Fourth Amendment test applied by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, which focused on "the moment of the threat" to the officer without considering how he ended up in that situation.
The Supreme Court did not decide whether the officer's reckless behavior made his use of deadly force unconstitutional, instead instructing the 5th Circuit to reconsider that question under the proper Fourth Amendment test. But even if Ross' carelessness does not defeat his self-defense claim, the fact that he fired at least two shots when he was no longer in the path of Good's car complicates the analysis. So does the fact that shooting Good did not stop the car but instead increased the danger it posed by killing the person who was controlling it.
In general, DHS says, officers "may use deadly force only when necessary, that is when the [officer] has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the [officer] or to another person." And in situations like the one that Ross faced, officers "are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other conveyance unless the use of deadly force against the operator is justified under the standards articulated elsewhere in this policy." They "must take into consideration the hazards that may be posed to law enforcement and innocent bystanders by an out-of-control conveyance" before "using deadly force under these circumstances."
Based on the evidence so far, there is reason to doubt that Ross followed these rules. But however you assess his decision to fire his weapon, it seems clear that his conduct prior to the shooting, coupled with his colleague's hot-headedness, led to a fatal outcome that easily could have been avoided.
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"If the agents had simply allowed her to leave, which would have addressed the problem that provoked their intervention, the threat that Ross perceived never would have arisen."
I've become convinced that Jacob Sullum isn't just a propagandist, but rather writes dishonesty like the above because he is genuinely evil and enjoys demagoguery.
Also, remember all of Reason's concern when a non-threatening and unarmed Ashley Babbit took a bullet to the head. If only she'd tried to run the Hill Police over instead.
At this point I can't disagree. He is well past the point of being a simple propagandist fudging details while also being insulated in his ideological bubble. The crafting of dishonest narratives and reporting completely inverted from reality represents evil motives.
Sullum will ultimately belong in prison.
Can't we arrange for the Goode ending to his story?
He IS dumb enough to make the same mistakes. Boehm too.
"ICE Agents Flouted DHS Policies That Could Have Prevented Renee Good's Death"
How about an article on the policies of personal responsibility that an ICE 'observer' or "protester" can take to avoid putting themselves in mortal danger?
JS;dr. I was convinced of that a while back.
If you just let all criminals leave, crime would cease.
They will never apply agency to the criminals for the situations the criminals cause.
How very fascist of you. A lowest level misdemeanor is worthy of an extreme show of lethal violence. Yes. Let her go and you can always arrest her later in a calmer situation.
":"A lowest level misdemeanor is worthy of an extreme show of lethal violence.""
It's not, which is why it's stupid to resist the arrest. She could have complied, get cuffed, process, released, charges probably would have been drop. She would be free and alive today. But she went with drive baby drive instead.
What arrest was she resisting? Agent Ross never made any verbal notice of arrest. The agent cursing at her never made any verbal notice of arrest. And under what grounds was there even probable cause for arrest? ICE is very limited in their arrest powers for citizens.
His partner did retard.
Obstruction retard.
Ice is not limited retard.
Title 8 USC § 1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees
(a) Powers without warrant --
Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony."
You were too light on the "retard" when it comes to these guys. Retard should have been every second word.
Remember. The ICE agents recognized that Good et ux were trying, again, to pretend getting stuck in front of an ICE operation, in order to interfere with it. That she wasn’t actually stuck was obvious, when she just put her SUV in gear, and drove off, trying to flee when ordered out of her vehicle. Good et ux appear to have thought that their cosplaying was great fun. But it was deadly serious, and the bullets were real.
And, yes, this attempt by Good, ux, and others to interfere with the ICE operation was done right in front of the ICE agents, it was a crime, and thus they were fully entitled to remove her from her vehicle.
Walz +6
Evading arrest is a felony. Obstructing law enforcement is a felony. Failure to obey commands from law enforcement is a modemenanor possibly a felony depending on the circumstances. That's before you get into the assault with the vehicle, whether uninteional or not.
You are very obviously a troll "Molly". I recommend everyone here ignore this person going forward. Don't worry they will eventually just go away. Do not respond to ANY of its obviously troll posts going forward.
Fuck off, punk.
He is correct on everything he stated special ed.
Awww, look, Molly has a white horse.
It's that kind of thoughtful, reasoned, articulate debate that brings me to Reason.
Learn to obey, you Marxist faggot retard.
Law enforcement personnel are not authorized to be judge, jury and executioner. And, since we don't prosecute dead people, she is considered, by law, innocent of any crimes for which she hasn't already been convicted.
By your logic self defence is immoral.
That's literally only relevant as to fines against her estate.
A low level misdemeanor? Like ‘parading’?
You’re such a lying hypocrite faggot Tony,
It wasn’t parading. It was pretending to get a line of vehicles stuck in front of an ICE operation so that ICE cannot extract the illegals that they have just arrested, until those vehicles can be removed, one by one.
Parading, per se, is not illegal. But obstructing an ICE operation by intentionally pretending to get stuck is a crime. And it becomes a felony if done with others, and esp if it is a conspiracy.
Deescalation means that the ICE agents just let the people obstructing their operation get away with obstructing ICE operations. They have no interest in deescalation. They want escalation.
Of course Solum wants ICE Agents to deescalate, because he doesn’t want the illegals being arrested, no matter how many felonies that they have committed, not arrested, and not removed/deported. So, no surprise, that his solution is for ICE to surrender.
Assault with a vehicle isnt a misdemeanor.
Neither is federal obstruction.
Why do you know so little? Chinese schools must suck.
MG is an 混蛋.
Fascist? How so? Let me guess... your definition of fascist is anybody whose political opinions cause you angst.
I've become convinced that Jacob Sullum isn't just a propagandist, but rather writes dishonesty like the above because he is genuinely evil and enjoys demagoguery.
I used to entertain the notion that Reason's stories are all AI generated and that all the Editors are just meatspace placeholders.
Now I think I was too optimistic.
Either way, the longer it goes on the more indistinguishable it becomes from conventional notions of zombies or ghouls motivated by some unseen shaman, demonic possession, cosmic rays, or ground water contamination.
ML, Sullum is mentally ill. He suffers from a most intense hate of Donald Trump. He may not be responsible for his actions or writings, he is so far gone. Feel sorry for him. Pray he gets the help he so desperately needs.
No, hope the asswipe fucks off and dies. The world will be a better, more intelligent, place, and his family will be relieved of apologizing for the slimy pile of imbecilic shit.
Sullum it a TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit who deserves to be ass-reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat.
"The View" is far more honest than this asswipe will ever achieve.
Much agreed. Sullum seems to have let a hatred of the right embodied in the person of Donald Trump dictate what and how he writes. Other Reason writers have the same issue, especially, but not limited to, Boehm, Lancaster, Welch, and Billings. To these libertines, the right as a boogeyman lives rent free within the vast empty expanses held within their skulls.
Ashli Babbit was NOT shot in the head. She was shot in the shoulder. Get your facts straight if you want to participate.
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit:
"...It strikes Ashley Babbitt in the neck and she falls back into the upper landing of the stairwell..."
https://www.counterframe.com/p/the-tragic-death-of-ashli-babbitt
Do you find pride in lying, fuckwit?
Look at you pettifog trying to avoid the point.
Anyway, you shot Trump in the ear while aiming for his head, you shot Charlie Kirk the neck while aiming for his head, you shot Babbitt in an artery while aiming for her head. Just because you're shitty shots it doesn't alter your intent.
Your right. This is one of the stupidest takes yet from Sullum. I've become convinced he writes this crap just for clicks and engagement. I've got a sure fired way not to get killed by ICE agents. Don't chase them around, insert yourself into their actions, block the road with a vehicle then try to run one of them over after refusing to get out of your car when demanded.
Shutting off the engine and getting out of the car as requested would have resolved the conflict as well.
"I've become convinced that Jacob Sullum isn't just a propagandist, but rather writes dishonesty like the above because he is genuinely evil and enjoys demagoguery."
How is what you quoted "dishonest"?
>DHS tells officers to use "de-escalation tactics," employ "a verbal warning" instead of force when feasible, and avoid "placing themselves in positions" that trigger the use of deadly force.
1. The officer was passing in front of the car. When he did that she tried to run him over. We've seen the video Jacob. The counter-narrative is out there.
2. What directions did Good's organization give her? They were directions *TO ESCALATE* the situation, countering any attempts by DHS to de-escalate.
3. The other officers did all that and she refused to comply. So they moved to arrest her and she escalated the situation further.
4. Its kinda sad - even the mainstream media has acknowledged her fault in this and walked away from her. You're not getting your 'crisis point' and you're not getting your 'mediagenic martyrs' because you don't have control of the narrative - we get to see more than you want us to see.
It's like he's auditioning for Biden's short-lived Ministry of Disinformation. Holy fuck! 1984 wasn't meant to be an instruction book and I sure as hell didn't expect Reason to turn full Orwellian.
Nah. Biden was too sharp and with it for Sullum to keep up with. Even Joe would not stoop as low as the lesser Koch has.
"...Biden was too sharp and with it for Sullum to keep up with..."
There's the problem right there. Hoping that the imbecilic steaming pile of TDS addled lying pile of shit Sullum could keep up with reading a clock is not realistic.
Dunno who deservers credit, but it was claimed that Betty Ford found a new birth-control med: She gave Jerry a stick of chewing gum before going to bed.
Like slobbering Joe, I wonder if the assholic POS Sullum types these lumps of bullshit, or has some sort of automated method of proving his abysmal stupidity.
1. The officer was passing in front of the car. When he did that she tried to run him over. We've seen the video Jacob. The counter-narrative is out there.
Jacob is both deliberately misinterpreting this statement and contradicting his own/previous narrative.
There is no problem with officers walking in front of cars stopped at a crosswalk or sitting in a parking lot. You *could* take the DHS's recommendations to this level, and that is what Sullum is trying to do, but that would make you a retard.
The recommendation is, e.g., don't sneak up behind someone who isn't under arrest, give them reason to fear for their own lives and defend you by attacking themselves... don't jump out in front of a rolling vehicle and tell them if they don't stop, you'll shoot them. Essentially exploiting the same decision-making/reaction time lag that Sullum and others are trying to levy against Ross by parsing shots 2 and 3 from 1.
*If* Good was there to flip them the bird and drive away peacefully, then there's no reason for Ross *not* to be in front of the car. She and it are not a threat. Even then, hitting a/the pedestrian rather than shouting "I'm drivin' he-yaw!" like a proper agitator in such a situation is still a crime and recommendations or guidelines don't exempt it.
The ICE officer was hit by the car and suffered injuries that sent him to the hospital with internal bleeding.
Sullum is a POS.
Remember when he defended the capitol cops abd j6 prosecutions over fire extinguishers?
Apparently using something 3900 lbs more is less of a threat.
You are too kind.
One of the ICE guys told her to get the fuck out of the car and was pulling on the door handle. Seems like an arrest attempt.
And she decided not to listen to them and instead to her girlfriend, tragically losing her life for it.
Her girlfriend who was yelling "Drive, Baby, Drive" which resulted in Good's death. Why isn't the lesbo lover under arrest?
Still plenty of time.
Right, dumbass. Ross was already in front of the vehicle at that point and *he* wasn't the one forcing the bind. Even at that, it doesn't exculpate her. If I point a gun at one person and another draws theirs on me and says "Drop it!" and either I shoot the first person or they draw and shoot me, the first person didn't escalate the situation simply by being or stepping in front of my gun. It's a bad idea to be down range from a loaded weapon but it's not illegal.
"Don't draw from the drop" is practical guidance, not legal imperative, confusing the two, is its own brand of "That which isn't forbidden is mandatory." authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
Breaking:
Jonathan Ross of ICE was NOT TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL according to police reports. He was taken to the Federal Building. He was NOT INJURED. http://www.nytimes.com/live/20
RetardGPT has entered the chat.
Exactly! Sullum wants to try to prove to his readers his preconceived position using sophistry. But he's too dumb to realize we've also seen the videos and it's a reasonable position to believe the ICE agent thought the woman was trying to run him over even if it's possible she was just recklessly trying to leave and was so fired up she ran her car into him. Yes it was probably not going to kill him, but in the moment he had no idea what was going to happen and he reacted to try to stop her from running him over. Could it have been avoided (her death), yes but that's Monday morning quarterbacking and he had milliseconds to make a choice.
His whole position here relies on lying about Goode's interactions with them throughout the day and pretending they were being tolerant for a while before telling her she's under arrest.
No part of his narrative is accurate or relevant.
sHe wAs a mOm gOiNg tO a sOcCeR mAtCH.
sHe jUsT got tRaPpeD tHeRe. Totally an accident.
Liar. The officer stopped and stood in front of the car. She committed a crime by driving away. But the officer broke the rules by intentionally keeping himself in a dangerous location.
Nope, not even close. It was a clean shoot.
Case closed.
Sullum! The officers *told her to leave*. She refused to do so. So they went to arrest her.
FFS man.
Ah, but when she did try to leave they murdered her. Dead if she does, dead if she does not.
Alive if she had complied and been taken into custody. You don't get to "try to leave" when you're being arrested.
They told her to leave, and when she didn't, they ordered her to get out of the car.
When a cop reaches inside your car to stop you from operating it, you cannot at that point say "well she was just trying to leave". She can't.
But you're a liar, what can one expect.
There was actually a 2018 scotus case where the shooting was justified after a cop jumped onto someone's car and they continued driving.
You're thinking of Barnes v. Felix (2024 or 5, iirc). And the shooting was ruled to NOT be legally justified.
""Dead if she does, dead if she does not.""
We know the second because it's hindsight. We do not know the first. It's smarter to take your chances with the first. You are more likely to have a story to tell your grandkids.
She drove her car at an officer! What part of this are you not getting?
As usual, everything you say is utter bullshit. You will never give up the con.
Trying to leave by running over an officer is not a thing. She refused to leave and was ordered out of the car when she decided to stop and argue about why she was blocking the road. At that point the time has passed when she could leave without arrest.
If you mean "trying to leave" as fleeing the scene to avoid arrest and running over a Federal Officer to do it then you are right. She was trying to leave. In fact, her lesbo lover was urging her to Drive, Baby, Drive so is an accessory to attempted murder. I bet she will spend all of that $1.5 million GoFundMe windfall on a lawyer to keep her out of jail.
Democrat activists can do no wrong and are always the victim.
Just because you choose to feign ignorance doesn't mean reality will conform to your preferred false narratives.
I'm truly shocked that the coverage of this single incident continues to get worse and become more divorced from the evidence every day at Reason.
Sullum would have been at home writing for Pravda during the Soviet era.
Even they had standards
"Sullum would have been at home writing for Pravda during the Soviet era."
Pretty hilarious, considering the opinion piece and the magazine.
JS;dr
JS; terrorist sympathizer
JS;dr
JS;fucking retard.
Fucking TDS-addled lying pile of steaming shit who needs to fuck off and die.
Just ridiculous. the chutzpah of this guy.
You misspelled "Abysmal ignorance".
Reason, the narrative on the MN federal prosecutors 'quitting' is falling apart.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/01/update-pam-bondi-says-minnesota-prosecutors-didnt-quit/
Bondi fired them, they did not quit.
>So they came and said, “We want to resign, but we want to use our annual leave up until April,” meaning they wanted the taxpayers to pay for them to go on vacation because they decided they didn’t want to support law enforcement.
^+1.
Fuck them.
""officers to use "de-escalation tactics,""
De-escalation does not apply to arrests. They can escalate if you resist. During an arrest the more you resist, the more they can escalate.
"may use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist and may use only the level of force that is objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances confronting [the officer] at the time force is applied."
If only the protestors followed this advice, rather than throwing stones and driving their cars towards the ICE agents.
Such biased reporting.
You misspelled "Imbecilic".
If Good was murdered by a criminal illegal alien Reason would ignore it. Instead they are outraged against valid self defense and choose to ignore all known facts.
This is getting embarrassing.
Jonathan Ross didn’t place himself in front of Good’s vehicle. From his cell phone footage, you can see Good’s wife trying to open the passenger door when Good backs the car up swinging the front of the car towards Ross. She then slams it into drive, the wheels spin and you hear him being hit.
It's incredible what people can imagine they see when their overlords demand it.
Every word of that description is contradicted by the video.
^delusional terrorist sympathizer
Yes, that's why we're amazed at your rejection of reality because Soros the Nazi demands it.
"It's incredible what people can imagine they see when their overlords demand it."
No, it IS incredible what lying piles of steaming lefty shit imagine:
1) She attempted to block the perfectly legal actions of ICE officers.
2) She was told to get out of her vehicle.
3) She did not do so, and instead either attempted to run over the ICE officer or acted in complete disregard for his safety.
4) She did use her vehicle to injure the officer to the point of requiring treatment at a local hospital.
5) She died of being shot in self-defense by that officer.
6) You should join her, asswipe.
I don’t get why they keep coming here to lie about stuff everybody has been able to see for days.
I could understand if this was still developing and information wasn’t out there, but goddamn.
Yep. She either tried to kill him, or it was a very bad time for her to be a shitty driver.
Either way, the situation resolved itself, correctly.
Try the power of AND.
Seriously, my theory is that the two women were giddy from the fun that they were having screwing up ICE operations. Good was never stuck, just pretending to be. She drove off just fine when she wanted to flee the ICE agents trying to get them out of their SUV.
From the position of the ICE agents, this was deadly serious. Every time they buckled on their body armor and went to work, they took the chance that they wouldn’t come back home that night, in the case of Ross, back to his wife and 3 kids. This was the second trip to the ER for Ross, in the last seven months - that we know of.
This wasn’t the ICE agents first rodeo. They knew exactly what Good and her partner were trying to do. Which was the first ant-ICE operative (Good here) would pretend to get stuck, and then all of their buddies behind them in line would, in turn, pretend to get stuck behind them. It would make it impossible, until the fake traffic jam was cleared, to extract the illegals that they were trying to extract. They had seen it before, likely that day, with the two women involved, and on other days. That was probably why they wanted Good out of her vehicle - because they saw the line of vehicles behind her, just waiting to get stuck, behind Good’s SUV. They may have not yet have known of the ICE Watch MN video on how to pull this off. But they recognized the stratagem.
Did she actually try to kill him? I don’t think so. I think that it was gross, uncaring, negligence on the women’s side. They were cosplaying, in real life, and having the time of their life doing it. And not really cognizant of their surroundings as Good tried to motor off and make good her escape. I don’t think that she saw Ross, and told herself, to let her get her some ICE that day. Rather, I think that she was focusing on the agent trying to get her out of her vehicle, and just floored it, not really looking at where she was going.
Think of it as the classic difference between 1st and 2nd Degree Murder. 1st Degree is the lining up on the ICE agent in front of her, and flooring it. Getting some ICE that day. 2nd Degree Depraved Heart/Mind Murder is punching it, to escape, without really looking where she was going. She did something that was inherently dangerous with extreme indifference. Luckily, Ross survived, with what we know now to have been relatively minor injuries, but not for any help by these two women.
Either way, she got herself killed successfully. I hope they charge the ‘wife’ (rolls eyes) with anything they can and get the children away from her forever before she destroys their lives.
Jacob, Renee's actions got her killed, not the officers.
Exactly. I've watched the video's several times showing different angles and it's clear what is going on. She and her lover who were part of "ICE Watch" chased ICE around for several hours inserting themselves into ICE actions and up to that point ICE showed remarkable restraint in taking no action. It was finally brought to a head when Good drove in front of ICE vehicles and blocked a road. That was the final straw. When they approached the vehicle and ordered her out she didn't obey a lawful order, she listened to her lesbian lover to "Drive, Baby, Drive" and tried to escape running into an ICE agent who was in front of her Honda. The ICE agent was justified in the use of lethal force in defending himself. If she had obeyed the lawful order and just got out she would have been arrested, arraigned and let out on bond most likely that afternoon. Instead, because of her decision and actions, she is dead. It's her fault and no one elses except for her lover who should be in jail.
Wow, Reason reaches a new low, just let the criminals leave...how embarrassing.
Can Reason at least be intellectually honest? As if their issue with ICE is a list of broken technicalities.
As if the DHS violations never ocurred, all would be well.
No. Reason's issue with ICE is that ICE exists.
Reason wants open borders.
Which is fine, a defensible position. However. Where we are now is like spouses arguing about the TV remote. But the real issue being they want a divorce cause they hate each other. Let's get to the real point and past the side shows.
There's nothing ICE can do to please Reason except going away.
If going to plead a case, Reason, start there, please?
Yeah pretty much that. The bottom line at Reason is about open borders period. I have been open to the the idea as doctrinaire libertarian concept in the past. But in the real world it has been a disaster. Reason libertarians have backed themselves into a corner. They know their agenda is an abject failure and they are flailing to blame the cure for the disease they helped create. Sad.
One reason that open borders has been a disaster is the welfare state. I believe that it was Milton Friedman who said a nation could have open borders, or a welfare state, but not both.
Yes, end our (very large) welfare state.
You do that, then we can have some nice long discussions about open borders.
But not before.
Reason claims to not oppose "reasonable" restrictions on immigration in principle, but when any are proposed or enforced. they are always opposed to restrictions in specifics.
"Can Reason at least be intellectually honest? "
Apparently not.
"The criminal could have been saved if only the offender behaved or the police submitted to the criminal."
We got it Jake. Do you really enjoy writing illogical drivel? If you want to make immigration open, make a real argument for that. until them. FO.
Police need to learn (and we need to insist) that not every perceived crime justifies any level of violence to apprehend the person immediately. If the LEOs know who the person is, they an let them go and arrest them later, or better yet allow them to turn themselves in.
I've a challenge for you, Molly. First, attract the attention of the police. Second, when they stop you, aim your vehicle for them. Third, find out what happens when you drive a 4,000 pound weapon directly at the police. Fourth, come back here, if you're still here, and report.
Oh, we can but hope!
You keep pretending that she was shot because she refused to get out of the car and NOT because she attempted to murder the officer.
Nope. Democrats must learn to obey when the interfere with LE. This is what happens when you don’t and the situation escalates. Maybe when enough of you are dead, you’ll learn something.
This was a clean shoot. If you don’t want more of them, stay out of the way.
Good choice of lede photo- the videos (plural) show Ross leaning in front of that big, spring-mounted rear view mirror to fire the first shot and being shoved by it as it slid by his torso at a few feet per second.
Kristi Noem and Bari Weiss gained notoriety at the expense of credibility by reporting the bruise that appeared the next day as Ross suffering " internal bleeding to the torso", although that was not reported by the hospital; that examined him immediately after he killed Cook.
Cue usual Katharine Leavitt wannabes.
Not saying the report is correct or not, but unless the patient signed a release of information that covers it, the hospital cannot report it.
Public Entelectual; delusional terrorist sympathizer
Public Entelectual; assholic pile of lying lefty shit, promoting watermelon lies on a fake website!
Wow. Youre still irrelevant.
RetardGPT has metered the chat again.
If you are ok with this, you are a sick fuck. Arresting US citizens on the way to a dr appointment, arresting people who don't have documents on them (not a legal requirement for citizens). There are about 3x the number of ICE thugs in Minneapolis than there are Minneapolis police.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/what-the-federal-invasion-of-minneapolis-looks-like-on-the-ground-photos
What US citizen was deported on their way to a dentist appointment? Why haven't an ICE agent asked me or any of my nonwhite social circle to produce IDs? Sigh
Yeah, there is a legion of ICE in MN, because the local police won't protect them. The state is also fraud central.
Everything you said is complete bullshit. And it isn’t 3x the number of local PD, it’s 5x. You can’t even get that straight,
Tony, I strongly urge you to emulate the behavior of these idiots and obstruct ICE. When they start giving you commands, just spout the bullshit you spout here and don’t do as you’re told. Then report back with your results.
""Then report back with your results.""
Worst project manager ever.
Molly Godiva, what you've just said was one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
That one never gets old.
Tony has no soul.
Maybe if you cry more to your CCP boss youll get a better gig.
She was ordered to leave. She didn't. Then one of the officers reached into the car to stop her. At THAT point, any sudden acceleration to another human being cannot be interpreted as anything other than reckless.
Her smiling is was not an gesture of kindness or humanity. She was being arrogant and contemptuous. This was game to her and her wife, who later wondered in agony "you used real bullets?" The media and the democrat party pushed the anti fascist fantasy roleplay deep into the addled minds of these liberal women, and they paid the price.
He never stood directly in front of the car. He got clipped by the left headlight. You can see it in his cellphone perspective. Imagine two kids on a bike positioned where the cops were. And then "drive baby drive". I don't want to hear this "but the kids shouldn't have been there though".
Jacob points to nonbinding guidelines as bible in a total vacuum. ICE agents have been assaulted and shot at for the better part of last year. They receive no assistance from local police whatsoever. Why shouldn't they assume the worst when a knucklehead blocks the road? They're targets. This wasn't some traffic stop, it was a developing situation that could turn deadly.
"Well he wasn't supposed to reach into the car because that's safe for him and the driver" Um when you're possibly surrounded by people who cheered Charlie Kirk's death, you have to be more proactive. They want you dead.
When she decided to drive baby drive her wife was attempting to open the passenger door. Two cops were on the driver's side and having ordered her to get out of the car one had his hand inside the door. A third cop is in front of the car while it's idling, in reverse and in drive all of which happened in seconds. This is beyond reckless. She could have seriously injured any of those four people including her wife. Is her behavior worthy of a death sentence in isolation? No. But in the handful of seconds wherein she went from neutral to reverse to jamming the pedal down in drive it's impossible to judge what her intentions were.
Libertarians believe in the rule of law, and personal responsibility.
You cant have a society where mental children (that are adult aged) get to have tantrums and then get mad when they pay the price.
She did illegal shit, she blocked the road with her car, she didnt listen, she resisted arrest in a fashion that put multiple people at risk of being maimed or dying, and she caught a bullet in exchange.
Are we really going to oppose 'the state' because its the state, in a case where the private citizen literally did at least 5 things completely in the wrong, including almost running over and driving her car into an officer?
Excuse me sir. Reason believes in freedom from responsibility and consequences.
TV is reporting that two babies were taken to the hospital in Minneapolis for tear gas exposure. I for one don't want to live in a country where I can't safely take a baby to a riot. Can't wait to see Autumn's righteous indignation tomorrow.
Yes, taking toddlers into the area of your imbecilic protesting requires LEOs to make allowances!
Ever see a 'rally' by slimy Teachers Union shitbags where they turn the kids out of the classes to use them as props for their bullshit?
I have, and I'm tired of it.
It is using one's own children as human shields.
No wonder this crowd is also sympathetic with Hamas.
It's Friday night and as usual, Reasonistas leave us with a cascade of tiresome propaganda outbursts, hoping to sustain the phony outrage du jour for the weekend. By now they are probably heading out to one of those swank DC cocktail parties to preen over how with each passing day they are forcing libertarians to side with the icky Trump administration (the State, God forbid!), satisfied their elite handlers will always taylor the next outrage within the desired framework. It can't work, for we've seen the ooze coming from them in real time, and we have the receipts. But for them the cocktails blur the details, and the smiles in the room are real.
They never learn.
Pretty sure you're on to some important issues here.
Not sure, as a commenter (and a former generous donor) what we can do. So long as Koch money flows in, there is not likely a lot that can be done.
"Liberty" magazine was worthwhile for a long time, but it became (as, on-line, "Liberty Unbound") an evangelical rag which has no interest to me.
It is a shame that was once a libertarian publication has become such a lefty pile of shit, and it seems Welsh has a lot to answer for. But the slimy pile of shit won't.
The only other thing to do is not give them the traffic they so readily crave.
Jacob, you run the two-slit experiment, open Schrödinger's Feminist box, enough times and eventually you're going to get a dead white woman. Opening the box again doesn't bring her back to life. That waveform has already collapsed. At best all it does is perturb the probabilities that the next time you open it up, you'll get another dead white woman. I don't make the rules, that's just how The Universe(s) works. Don't want women to die from their quantum superposition of infinitely empowered and completely blameless? Stop fucking with their feminist boxes.
I don’t think that it can work that way - the perturbing of the probability. The odds have to be independent for Schrödinger's experiment to work. Unless we are talking Schrödinger with Quantum Entanglement.
Otherwise good analogy.
Spooky action at a distance? Hmmm...
Perturbing, not fixing, and "at best". I probably could've stated that sentence more clearly.
Talking Schrödinger without QE is akin to discussing matter as waves but not particles or vice versa. Quantum Mechanics works, the odds aren't independent, Einstein was "wrong".
Assuming QE but not necessarily time travel, whatever the number of parallel universes with identical live girls there are, once you observe the one, there are at least one fewer. Even if you employ QE to seemingly effect time travel, you aren't turning back time in this quantum realm, you're snatching the live/dead girl from another one. The mathematics and statistics are still conserved. On a more personal or 30,000 foot level, whether you open the box a second time and find an quantum-entangled trans dimensional superposition of a slightly older but otherwise identical dead girl or a non-entangled but slightly older otherwise dead girl from the same quantum space, is literally immaterial.
Closer to the altitude we're, or at least you and I are, travelling at: given Sullum's stupidity around shots 2 and 3, human reaction times, and the law; Renee Good is dead and beyond a shadow of a doubt complicit in her death as effected by Ross... and Sullum is retarded.
“Flouted? What are you talking about? I never sucked jizz out of anybody’s ass before…,,,. with a straw.”
“I believe that’s called felching, Mr cook. Not that I’d know….”
Haha. Long live Bad Santa.
I think ICE Watch is glad she is dead. They desperately needed a martyr. ICE just so happened to cooperate on that particular day to give them what they had been hoping for.
""They desperately needed a martyr.""
She is not martyr status, will never be.
Remember when Obama said his DOJ was going to investigate the Michael Brown shooting? That didn't turn out the way activists were hoping.
""Based on this investigation, the Department has concluded that Darren Wilson’s actions do not constitute prosecutable violations under the applicable federal criminal civil rights statute, 18 U.S.C. § 242, which prohibits uses of deadly force that are “objectively unreasonable,” as defined by the United States Supreme Court. The evidence, when viewed as a whole, does not support the conclusion that Wilson’s uses of deadly force were “objectively unreasonable” under the Supreme Court’s definition. Accordingly, under the governing federal law and relevant standards set forth in the USAM, it is not appropriate to present this matter to a federal grand jury for indictment, and it should therefore be closed without prosecution.""
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
I think you underestimate how little the activists need for a martyr. They just need a story they can use to incite rage in other activists. The degree of wrongdoing on any particular parties part is irrelevant. When the cop is officially not charged, or if he is and when he is acquitted that is just another story to incite more rage in other activists.
Yes they need one. That I do not underestimate. But Good is not going to be it.
She is not martyr status, will never be.
Right. They're confusing dupes, props, rubes, patsies, chumps, pigeons, scapegoats, fall guys, pawns, and minions for martyrs.
Martyrs lead and are cut down for their leadership. Martyrs save people or advance some noble idea and are cut down to quell the larger movement. More or less, all of humanity is diminished by the death of a martyr.
Jumping, or stumbling, in front of a moving bus is not martyrdom no matter how much anyone opposes public transportation.
Didn’t help that Brown attacked Wilson first, trying to get his handgun away from him. Or that Wilson double tapped Brown three times, each time in a more lethal location. And until the final double tap, Brown would just shake it off, and kept coming.
Again, I am willing to be the driver and recreate the video for all the delusional terrorist sympathizers here. Please use your training to de-escalate the situtation Sullum.
When Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross approached Renee Good's Honda Pilot at 9:35 a.m. on Wednesday, January 7, his cellphone video of the encounter shows, she was smiling at him. "That's fine, dude," Good assured Ross from the driver's seat, apparently referring to the fact that he was recording her. "I'm not mad at you." Within two minutes, Ross had fatally shot Good. "Fucking bitch," he said as the unguided SUV careened down the street before crashing into a parked car.
It's revealing Sullum details every aspect of the encounter negative to the officer, but intentionally omits every negative aspect from Good. As far as we can tell from this description the officer approached her for an unknown reason rather than because she intentionally stopped her car in the roadway to prevent his movement. Imagine an activist pulling up and blocking Sullum's driveway in the morning and when Sullum asked him to move he just smiled and said "that's ok". Would the "smile" become a smirk?
He details the "fucking bitch" but omits the officer said it because she hit him with her fucking car.
It's just bizarre how biased these articles are.
Reason has repeatedly and continues to flout the basic standards of decent journalism that could have prevented Renee Good's death.
Has Good replaced Villareal in the annals of Reason's sacrificial lambs?
I'm cool with the Villarreal coverage as long as they don't post pics.
I'm not until we get something more approximating parity or proportionality in reporting on (this list is not exhaustive):
Alex Jones
Douglass Mackey
Iran's crackdown on protest and free speech
Europe's crackdown on 'protest' and free speech
Venezuela's crackdown on protest and free speech
Fauci's crackdown on 'protest' and free speech
Local suppression based on Fauci's crackdown on 'protest' and free speech
...
...
By any reasonable metric, there should be a stack of suppressed free speech articles, collective and individual, as long as your arm, *above* Villarreal. The only reason otherwise is because you're an ACAB/DNC vector for "stochastic martyrdom"
ICE's policy intent is to lay the ground work for martial law.
No, JFucked, your lying imbecility lays ground work to acknowledge you are a lying pile of steaming lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
If anyone is laying that ground work, it’s the Democrats and their brazen disregard for common sense.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2026/01/the_red_guard_comes_to_minnesota.html
THESE are the ones "laying the groundwork for martial law." No further explanation needed.
We tell the public and these guys that ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not soldiers. Then we load them up with soldier-y gear that most law enforcement officers don't have. Then we allow (or encourage?) them to disguise themselves to the point of practical anonymity. Then we ignore the fact (established years ago) that practical anonymity can allow people to do and say extreme things they are less likely to do if their identities are obvious and clear.
What could go wrong?
None of this is relevant to the case. Goode knew who they were and she was there to interfere and obstruct. She was there to get a propaganda video. Further, the officer's name was released and his family faced a deluge of threats and harassment quickly afterwards.
I don't know how "militarized" is a factor here since she was violating basic laws and caught lead from a sidearm.
In the US violating basic laws in not grounds for summary execution.
In the US driving your vehicle at law enforcement is multiple charges, most of which are felonies:
Assault with a Deadly Weapon
Assault or Battery on an Officer
Felony Wreckless Evading
Resisting Arrest or Obstructing an Officer
Self-defense isn't execution. She, like many criminals, made poor decisions leading up to and during this interaction with law enforcement.
Not yet. But de facto
Fuck off and die, lying shitstain.
The consequences of assaulting an armed LEO and having to be subdued is not a summary punishment.
You left off "minimal training" and "actively recruiting racists".
That's a bold claim, do you have any supporting evidence?
MG? Supporting an assertion? IMG? Supporting an assertion? It is to laugh! MG is a 混蛋.t is to laugh! MG is a 混蛋.
More like not screening even to the point of hiring an Antifa social media person (with military experience) who called ICE America's Gestapo in waiting
A clown show but not the funny clowns
Like MG, JFucked has never offered support for JFuck's assertions. You can ignore them, they are lies. Always.
You mean the guy who is a 10 year veteran at DHS? Sure.
Everything you just bleated is a lie or a distortion of reality.
Your "militarization of police forces" ship sailed in 2016 and "mostly peacefully" struck an iceberg, caught fire, snapped in half, and sank in 2020.
Stay Boston Strong, fucktard.
I’m beyond sick and tired of leftist assholes acting as though obeying the law is optional. There is only ONE person responsible for Renee Good’s death, and it is her. PERIOD.
This was an entitled woke piece of shit who assumed that opposing LEOs empowered by Trump's attempts to deport illegal aliens somehow gave her powers to ignore valid orders from LEOs and of otherwise legal acion. It doesn't and it may well get you (properly) killed. And I have no sympathy for shitbags like her at all.
It may well take further examples of such stupidity to make it clear that such actions might get you killed and I have no problem if such continuing stupidity delivers such results.
Simply, the imbecilic pile of shit assumed she could use a deadly weapon to threaten someone else (regardless of their official capacity) and not suffer consequences. Not sure I'm a marksman of his abilities, but I'd hope so.
Darwin had something to say about these matters and she will never learn. Looking for a 'sad' mask and not finding one. Looking for a 'well, what did you expect?' mask, and tripping over them.
BTW, the brain-dead lefty shits posting here seem to assume that libertarianism = anarchy. That 'limited' government means none.
The brain-dead lefty shits are not real bright, are they?
They aren’t even trying at this point.
Anarchists are generally used by Marxists to create social disorder and unrest. Once things get seriously out of control, Marxists swoop in and restore order, usually in the form of a highly oppressive top-heavy Maoist-Stalinist government that sees to it that all form of political dissent (including the very anarchists they used) are either murdered or shipped off the re-education camps/gulags.
They didn't ignore policies and the most widely circulated videos aren't clipped enough to make an argument otherwise. She was given lawful orders and defied them after knowingly committing multiple felonies. Reporting also tells that they were dealing with her for much longer than shown in a 5 second clip. You can't assert what they were doing in the lead-up to the final fatal interaction if you ignore available video evidence and reporting. This isn't just ignorant bad reporting, it is blatant lying.
The two recognized the ICE agents, and they recognized the two lesbos. The two of them essentially admitted all this, when Good tried to drive off. They had been playing this game for some time earlier that day. Good’s vehicle appears to have been the first one in a convoy planning on pretending to get stuck there, one after another, in front of the ICE operation. Which suggests that the ICE agents involved were maybe trying to be proactive, recognizing the key place Good and her vehicle were to play.
Let me add, that videos, from ICE Watch MN, were apparently found by the FBI, subsequent to a search warrant, in their house, after Good’s fatal (to her) vehicular attack on the ICE Agent, that taught this very technique.
It’s unclear whether federal LEOs knew with that level of certainty, that this was a technique taught to disrupt ICE operations. Likely, at least as a gut reaction, watching Good supposedly getting stuck in front of them, after apparently participating in these operations against ICE earlier that day. Now federal LEOs know for sure.
Some TDS addled Reason contributor a day or two ago asked why the search warrant? Because it made proving that Good was engaged in a conspiracy much easier to prove. And all the others who would spontaneously get “stuck” in front of ICE operations. It wasn’t chance. It was planned.
Possibly, Good supposedly getting stuck right in front of the ICE operations, then putting her vehicle in gear and driving off, when ordered to get out, was the first time that the Feds had enough actionable evidence to take before a judge to get a search warrant, esp in the political environment they face in MN.
You know what else would have prevented her death?
Not putting her car into "drive" with an officer of the law standing in front of it.
Or having a second brain cell.
Fun anecdote:
[Obligatory Law and Order "based on a true story, names have been changed to protect the innocent" lead/disclaimer]
Way back in the day, Granny Casual was driving to work. She got pulled over for doing 50 in a 35. The officer issued a speeding ticket and sent her on her way. Being the olden days, she was driving a FWD, manual transmission car and being on a soft shoulder, Granny Casual being rightly miffed (at herself or the officer is not known), she spun the tires slightly, kicking up some gravel. The officer, immediately pulled her back over and cited her for an unsafe start. At this point, Granny Casual is rather decidedly miffed at the officer and 'Hell hath no fury...'
[Cuts to court room complete with Law and Order 'bong bong']
Granny Casual, decides to act in her own defense (again, olden days, generally pre-internet, no cell phones). Fortunately (maybe), she even gets the officer on the stands. She proceeds to lay out how her car was at a safe distance, it was early in the morning with no traffic/no one else around, the shoulder was soft, the gravel that was flung didn't even reach the officer or his car... all of which the officer affirms. Going in for the kill, she even asks the officer that it might be reasonable to assume that the start was safe. To which he agrees. Containing her excitement (maybe), she declares, "Well then, I rest my case.", to which *judge* replies, "Are you sure that's what you want to do?" (At this point in the telling of the story after the fact, Grandpa says, "Oh no."*) and she replies "Yes." (to the judge). To which the judge replies, "Despite the facts of the case as presented, without a motion to dismiss, the citation stands and all fines and penalties are owed to the county in accordance with it. Case dismissed." [bangs gavel] "Next case."
*Subtext: Even in the olden days, it was not entirely unusual for a younger male (especially ones with access to vehicles, or lost or abandoned property, or nuisance devices, or alcohol, or a diverse group of friends of any race, or free time really...), even if completely innocent, to have at least seen the inside of a court room, and understand the procedures therein. An experience that many females don't experience until later in life, if ever.
Exactly. These women have lived their lives with White Female Privilege.
Adolescent males essentially have to be civilized. It is either done by older males in their family, or if not done by them, by the police. We learned, before the end of adolescence, not to fuck with the police, because they are trained to fuck us up worse. I was slow (and privileged), so didn’t really learn it until the door on a jail cell clanged shut with me on the wrong side. Luckily, it was only for overnight, and for a stupid traffic ticket I had blown off. But that taught me the lesson I needed to learn. No doubt, for every time I put this on a bar application, or for a security clearance, those reviewing my file chuckled.
But for the most part, this isn’t a lesson that females need to learn, so it’s not rigorously taught to them. For most of the guys here, when a LEO tells us to get out of our vehicle, we automatically comply. Slowly so that we aren’t threatening. If I am pulled over for anything, the cop will find me with my window down, and both hands on the steering wheel - still, at 75.
Then there’s my wife. She had a lead foot and loved fast (expensive) cars. When she was young, and would get pulled over, she would smile, and explain to the officer that she has a small bladder, needs to pee badly, and he can watch her do it, right there, if he doesn’t let her go. It worked like clockwork. Better than unbuttoning her shirt to show more of her ample bosom, because that would likely result in requests for a date.
Sullum is either a lying, mentally ill propagandist, or just a blithering TDS addled idiot.
I'll go with both.
While I still question the legality of the Good shooting, I really don't care. If people are actually obstructing ICE (as opposed to just filming and doxing them using public information) I don't care if they hose them down with napalm. There are WAY too many insane people in this country; time to thin the herd.
So how many years does the guy in the green scarf get for this?
https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/2012627976790106412
Guys, I think y'all are being too hard on Sullim. Because he's at least partially right this time. This was bad policework. If Ross had de-escalated and not put himself into the line of fire, this could have been avoided.
However, I cannot agree with the rest.
The "should have identified and verbally confirmed" is nonsense. They were not nervous drivers waiting for a ticket. They weren't minding their business in a back alley. They actively sought this confrontation and were interacting with the officers.
This also invalidates the "scary masked men" argument that people keep bringing up. Good was well aware of who she was interacting with and that they were authorities with arrest powers.
The "he shot multiple times" is also completely nonsensical. Cops almost never shoot only once. And there is a strong question of reaction time and tunnel vision, since that happened within a second. This is demanding a level of perfection that self defense has never allowed.
Finally, the comparison to Felix is ignoring the strong difference between jumping in front of a moving vehicle and standing in front of a stopped vehicle that then begins moving. To the point that I think it's fallacious to bring it up.
Maybe she shouldn't have tried to run the guy over. He shot her in self-defense. Suicide by cop.
-jcr
This seems like a fair article to me with a couple of issues. Regarding the command to get out of the car, the author could’ve made a stronger case, describing how driving away is a crime. Also, a lot of the leftist media seems to think that because Good was turning right her intent was to avoid the ice officer. It is not possible to make that assumption. Based on the way the car was facing the driver had to turn right because the road was to the right. It’s not possible to go straight because she would be running off the road. Whether the ice officer was in front of the car or not she had to turn right.
Agreed. The pertinent part was, she would have driven straight if she meant to attack which was the way Noem tried to spin it.
Her wife was screaming at her to leave, so she did so, not thinking it's generally a bad idea to drive away from law enforcement, even the gaggle of rookies that has become ICE.
The comments section calling for execution of the author for his opinions has become sadly typical. I'm hoping most of it comes from Russian trolls trying to start civil unrest. Capital punishment for criticism of government comes easily to them.
"...even the gaggle of rookies that has become ICE..."
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
"This seems like a fair article to me with a couple of issues...'"
Nope.
Written by Sullum who is a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit who really needs to make the world a better place by fucking off and dying.
Get ass-reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat, Sullum.
In addition to thinking this article is completely ignoring any responsibility that Good had for her own demise, I'm disappointed in Good's partner and defenders for coming up with these BS stories.
If she was indeed part of the resistance, doing the honorable work of preventing ICE from "disappearing" her neighbors, her family and supporters should own it. Declare her a martyr, call for others to do the same, and explain to those of us who don't understand why her cause was noble and her actions justified.
Instead, they're going full retreat. Every lame explanation and excuse given diminishes her sacrifice and reinforces the notion that this generation has no balls. Rosa Parks, the Chicago Seven, the Weather Underground, they all took a stand and were willing to get arrested and even die to draw attention and support to their cause. This bunch acts like little bitches the moment they face the consequences of their civil disobedience.
"Rosa Parks, the Chicago Seven, the Weather Underground, they all took a stand and were willing to get arrested and even die to draw attention and support to their cause."
Why, the Weather Underground were even willing to kill to draw attention and support to their cause!
Complete, total, utter bullshit.
I am so beyond sick and tired of people thinking the law doesn't apply to them and/or that they can pick and choose which laws they are going to obey, and the people who defend them.
It's way past time to look at the facts. Good - a radical leftist activist, and not some clueless soccer mom - would be alive if she had not willingly and knowingly placed herself and her vehicle in the middle of a law enforcement operation to impede it. She would be alive if she had obeyed lawful commands to exit the vehicle. She would be alive if she had stood on the sidewalk and yelled her head off and not used her car as a weapon. Instead, she decided SHE was the law. She decided that she was too good (no pun intended) to follow the law like everyone else, just because she didn't like the laws being enforced and the people enforcing them. She decided time, place, and manner.
She, and only she chose her outcome. PERIOD.
Does that let the ICE agent off the hook completely? Perhaps so; perhaps not. IMO, the videos I've seen are not conclusive one way or the other, and there should be a full, fair (is that possible anymore?) and timely investigation. But when you do all the things Good does, you are courting danger and yes, potential death.
Play stupid games; win (or potentially win) stupid prizes.
One last point: You peacefully protest on the sidewalk. Deliberately injecting yourself into a federal law enforcement operation, spitting at ICE agents, getting in their faces, and other such actions is NOT peaceful protesting. AFAIC, Trump, Bondi and the others in his administration have been way too timid on dealing with these vermin. If their criminal antics aren't deserving of the Insurrection Act, then I don't know why we have it on the books. At the minimum, if the state and local agencies are unable/unwilling/prevented from doing their job of crowd control, then the feds need to bring LOTS more officers, teargas and pepper spray to the party, followed by lots of arrests and long, long jail sentences. Asking criminals to play nice NEVER works.