Yes, the First Amendment Applies to Non-Citizens Present in the United States
A conservative federal judge questions the reach of free speech.
The First Amendment says that "Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech." But one prominent conservative judge, whose name has been mentioned as a possible U.S. Supreme Court nominee by President Donald Trump, thinks that protection against government censorship may not apply to non-citizens who are present in the United States.
Is the judge right?
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Writing for himself in the recent case of United States v. Escobar-Temal, Judge Amul Thapar of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit asserted that "neither history nor precedent indicates that the First Amendment definitively applies to aliens."
Yet in Bridges v. Wilson (1945), the Supreme Court unambiguously stated that "freedom of speech and of press is accorded aliens residing in this country." That case centered on an Australian immigrant and labor union activist named Harry Bridges. He faced deportation because of his alleged "affiliation" with the Communist Party. "It is clear that Congress desired to have the country rid of those aliens who embraced the political faith of force and violence," the Court said. But "the literature published by" Bridges and "the utterances made by him," the ruling noted, revealed only "a militant advocacy of the cause of trade-unionism" and "did not teach or advocate or advise the subversive conduct condemned by the statute." The otherwise lawful speech of this non-citizen was thus "entitled to that [First Amendment] protection."
Thapar's appeal to history is also suspect. "The application of the Alien and Sedition Acts to resident foreigners," Thapar claimed, "suggests that the founders did not understand the First Amendment to extend to aliens."
The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 are not normally cited favorably when freedom of speech is being discussed. And with good reason. The Sedition Act notoriously made it a crime, punishable "by imprisonment not exceeding two years," to write, print, utter, or publish "false, scandalous and malicious" statements with the intention of bringing the federal government, members of Congress, or the president, "into contempt or disrepute." This censorial statute applied equally to citizen and non-citizen.
The Federalist administration of President John Adams promptly used the Alien and Sedition Acts to punish its political enemies, including by securing the imprisonment of several journalists. A number of American citizens were thus locked behind bars for the supposed crime of criticizing their own government.
James Madison detailed the many constitutional defects of the Alien and Sedition Acts in his "Report of 1800." As Madison pointed out, "the power over the press exercised by the sedition act, is positively forbidden by one of the amendments to the constitution." Madison was of course referring to the First Amendment.
In other words, if Thapar is correct that the mere existence of the Alien and Sedition Acts provides evidence of what the founders thought the First Amendment allowed the government to do, then it would follow that the founders thought the First Amendment allowed the government to criminalize the political speech of citizens who criticized the U.S. government.
Yet Madison, a principal architect of the Constitution and rather prominent founder himself, denounced the Alien and Sedition Acts as a constitutional monstrosity. To say the least, Madison did not think that such hated laws offered any reliable guidance as to what the Constitution meant or should mean.
One last point about Thapar's misguided opinion: He failed to grapple with the fact that eliminating freedom of speech for non-citizens necessarily means that citizens will suffer free speech harms, too. As Frederick Douglass put it, "to suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker." If a green card holder stands on a soapbox in a public park in a U.S. city and criticizes the actions of the federal government, American citizens who wish to hear that person speak have a right to do so without government infringement.
Contra Thapar, the First Amendment protects both sides of what Douglass memorably called the "right to speak and hear."
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No foreigners are being prosecuted for their speech.
Foreigners can show up at our doorstep, having spent a bunch of money (airfare etc.) to come here on a tourist visa, and be turned back at the airport, because they were critical of Dear Orange Caligula in their homeland's social media, or because they once worked in the USA as a fact-checker. They are being ripped off of their airfare and more! (Did you know that ONLY in Canada and Bermuda, and NOWHERE else, can you get "pre-clearance" to enter the USA, before boarding the USA-bound aircraft?) So existing policy rips off foreigners of their money!
Can Government Almighty just STEAL your money, and you won't care, since you're SNOT being prosecuted?
Oh, I forgot, the illegal sub-humans are lesser beings, and HAVE no rights, snot even the right to SNOT be ripped off of their money by Dear Orange Caligula and Shit's Goons and Henchmen!
Bootlickers gotta lick boots, I guess... Did you know that twat cums around, goes around? Such brazen boot-licking is hurting the USA, and swill do more of the same shit, till we cut this shit out!
Remember Matal v Tam, where SCOTUS ruled USPTO couldn't deny patent protection based on the content of speech? It's not just about prosecutions
Poor sarc.
If ISIS crosses the southern border do they have 2a rights?
Right now we're talking about criminalization of speech.
Dude come up with better lies.
混蛋, fuck off and die.
Further, no one is being convicted, sentenced, or deported for "bringing the federal government, members of Congress, or the president, 'into contempt or disrepute.'"
They're being convicted, sentenced, and deported for occupying public spaces by force and openly calling for the violent destruction of Western, if not even just peaceful, Civilization in direct opposition to "peaceable assembly" enshrined in the 1A.
The distinction severely calling into question if the author and/or the magazine has the slightest clue as to what they're talking about... or if they're just dishonest, evil fucksticks.
"But "the literature published by" Bridges and "the utterances made by him," the ruling noted, revealed only "a militant advocacy of the cause of trade-unionism" and "did not teach or advocate or advise the subversive conduct condemned by the statute." The otherwise lawful speech of this non-citizen was thus "entitled to that [First Amendment] protection.""
So, logically, did the court find that Bridges's speech did not fit the definition of subversive or that Congress could not outlaw subversive and violence promoting speech?
So when a pro-Palestinian activist says to "Globalize the Intifada", they mean to encourage more Bondi Beach like attacks. Should such speech be considered subversive and in support of violence?
The Alien & Sedition Acts were never ruled on for constitutionality by the Courts. They expired or were repealed legislatively.
Also, is the United States obligated to retain resident aliens who hate it, hate its culture and people and support violence against its interests?
Also, is the United States obligated to retain CITIZENS who hate it, hate its culture and people and support violence against its interests?
Twat's good for the goose, is good for the gander, AND for the goose-steppers!!! Be careful twat ye wish for!
Oh, and, don't forget... HANG MIKE PENCE!!! Dear Leader slurpports this!
"Also, is the United States obligated to retain CITIZENS who hate it,..."
Yes, that is an obligation of a nation to its natural born citizens. However, a naturalized citizen can be denaturalized and deported, like crime boss Lucky Luciano was.
Ancient Greece and others, in olden days, practiced forcible exile of citizens... They did SNOT give ONE hoot in Hell about "an obligation of a nation to its natural born citizens". Dear Orange Caligula, ass I recall, some months ago made noises about sending USA citizens to El Salvador's torture houses! Shit CAN happen here!
And which part of the US Constitution says aliens have a 'right' to the USA?
You're doing nothing but trying to spin the 1A into an *entitlement* instead of an inherent right.
Just as visitors in your own home aren't guaranteed visitation rights by calling you a POS.
Yeah; They can call you a POS w/o being charged ... that doesn't mean they can't be kicked out for it.
And which part of the US Constitution says Native Americans, witches, Jews, socialists, libertarians, Demon-Craps, Rethugglicans, RePoopLicKKKunts, women, babies, yellow or brown or black or white people, blacksmiths, computer programmers, or engineers have a 'right' to the USA? The list is LOOOOONG, of specific kinds of people! The language is almost always like, "The right of THE PEOPLE to gather peacefully, shall not be infringed".
Are the illegal sub-humans "people", or snot? ... I fear your honest answer here, boot-licker!!!
NONE of the US Constitution says a certain race, party, sex or career equates to a 'right' to the USA..
Which is precisely what I just said.
And ironically; I think you do believe the traits you listed does.
14A "the privileges or immunities of *citizens* of the United States"
OK, now find some reference(s) to "citizens" specifically in the Bill of Rights... Which is the heart and core of the rights of the PEOPLE...
Are illegal sub-humans "people", or snot, in YOUR mind, anyway?
"We the People of ............................... ?what? 'the United States'"
Right there in the first introduction line.
Illegal invaders are people from foreign countries who broke into the US Violating Immigration Laws.
Are you trying to turn law-breaking invaders into a *special* category of people who are ABOVE the law?
Why yep; that is exactly what you're trying to do.
The US Constitution isn't hard to understand when you're not trying to manipulate (and poorly I might add) and twist it to suite your self-entitled agenda.
1st amendment is most relevant to this article.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people (*THE PEOPLE; editorial emphasis) peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".
THE PEOPLE... SNOT citizens, or People with Proper Magic Papers, or native-borns, or Native Americans, witches, Jews, socialists, libertarians, Demon-Craps, Rethugglicans, RePoopLicKKKunts, women, babies, yellow or brown or black or white people, blacksmiths, computer programmers, or engineers... NONE of that shit!!! THE PEOPLE!!!
Oh BTW, you didn't answer...
Are the illegal sub-humans "people", or snot?
(*THE PEOPLE; editorial emphasis)
"the People of ............................... ?what?"
A: Right there in the first sentence of the US Constitution.
Keep spinning crook. That's all crooks do. Day in and day out. Endlessly.
"The People" according to DickTatorBot2000: People who are like MEEEE, belong to MY Tribe, AND who have their "Magic Papers"!!!
"The People" meant "The People" in the minds of the founding fathers... If they had meant People who are like MEEEE, belong to MY Tribe, AND who have their "Magic Papers"... Then... They KNEW how to WRITE!!! WHY did they SNOT write that? Maybe because they had a LOT more wisdom, tolerance, love of their fellow humans, and love of the human future, than PervFected Tribalists do today!
Paraphrased, "!!-MY Tribe-!! that breaks-in/invades and broke immigration laws are *entitled* to the USA!" /s
"...because of course !!-MY Tribe-!! is above those petty laws of justice/ownership especially when we open our mouths. Our FAT-MOUTHS entitle us to anything we want." /s
ALL of the Constitution is for the people of the United States of America.....
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
It's not for anyone else. ALL the Amendments are FOR the people of the United States of America.
They are extended, as courtesy, to legal visitors. But only as courtesy. Violate that courtesy and all bets are off.
They are not extended, at all, to illegal foreign nationals.
Matal v Tam. They don't necessarily have a right to come to the US. But the US can't deport them based on speech. Just like you don't have a right to a driver's license but you can't be denied one based on speech. If the US confers a privilege, it must do so in a viewpoint neutral way.
This remains false sarc. We've literally stripped citizenship from migrants granted it regarding speech.
They have conditions on the terms of their agreements to be here. They signed a contract. They cant violate said agreement.
The agreement is removed if they violate it. Just like your wife invalidated your marriage due to your actions.
"We've literally stripped citizenship from migrants granted it regarding speech."
We know you're just making shit up when you spout gruel like this without any citation.
"They have conditions on the terms of their agreements to be here. They signed a contract. They cant violate said agreement."
Since your consistent word salad is based on hatred of immigrants rather than rational discourse, you might want to reacquaint yourself with the Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2), which in effect states that NO law or contract, at the state or federal level, can supersede the Constitution - that is the pinnacle.
Sure, if other aspects of the contract are violated, we can ship 'em out, but speech rights guaranteed by the First Amendment don't apply - or more accurately, they apply to everyone equally, so if an "illegal" incites violence through words (through some recognized speech exception), sure they can be punished and removed, but so can citizens (your favorite people), who can be arrested and prosecuted for same. Even you Jesse.
So your theory is bullshit. Just admit you hate immigrants already and save yourself the time. Haters gonna hate.
Congress (the US) "*can* deport them" for any reason they so choose.
...because the US invited them *as guests* for any reason they so legislated.
If you don't like that maybe you should lobby that only naturalized citizens can be here.
Invaders still trying to manipulate some 'right' to others nation that doesn't exist.
The 'right' to other peoples *earnings*.
The 'right' to other people's nation.
The 'right' to other people's services.
On and on and on the leftarded preach their 'right' to something they have no 'right' to.
Why it is almost as-if they think their BIG-MOUTH makes things for them.
Bullshit.
Damon is so ignorant that he cant fathom the idea that the US can indeed set restrictions on agreements with foreigners for the terms of their stay, including regarding speech.
Terms and conditions on a visa are set by government. Nobody is forcing foreigners to agree to those terms. This has never been questionable.
Damon remains ignorant.
He's not ignorant, he's ignoring that and lying because he's evil and wants to destroy the US through infinity immigration and the rest of his proggy ideology.
Evil!! Destroy!! You must be a gamer, since you obviously live in one.
Sarc is going sock heavy this morning.
“ Terms and conditions on a visa are set by government.”
People keep asking any you keep running and hiding, but I’ll ask anyway:
1) Where in the present version of what you call a visa agreement or contract (depending on the thread) does it say they don’t have First Amendment rights?
2) If the government is not allowed to abridge the rights of free speech by law, what makes a contract infringing on the free speech rights of people inside the US (citizen or not, because these are inalienable rights that derive from being a human being) legal and Constitutional?
“We aren’t allowed to take away your free speech rights through a law, but we can take them away through this legal document” seems like a distinction without a difference.
Perhaps the author would prefer a world without countries, citizenship, or rights that citizenship brings?
Massachusetts school posts opening for Math teacher with preference for “experience as an active anti-racist, LGBTQ+ advocate, or organizer for equity.”
"Along with traditional teaching credentials, the district’s listing encourages applications from individuals who identify as members of “historically marginalized groups,” including “people of color, women, people from working class backgrounds, and people who identify as LGBTQ.”
The posting says members of these groups are “less likely to apply unless and until they meet every requirement for a job,” adding the district “strongly encourage[s] applications from educators with these identities or who are members of other marginalized communities.”
The position falls under the Springfield Empowerment Zone Partnership (SEZP), a program launched in 2015 involving Springfield Public Schools, the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education and the Springfield Education Association."
https://readlion.com/massachusetts-school-district-looking-for-lgbt-anti-racist-advocate-for-math-teacher-position/?fbclid=IwY2xjawOw4TpleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETE0OGFuVm55SloxZWs4bjNic3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqkxXpJoh3E-BTAcXHcXYjav-2Tmay4Tn28JJ1PnMjVQv8UPVunO87JwdBlg_aem_pKXmunghjcOD0fx23NE8CQ
[WE] only take applications from individuals who "identify-as"...
...a member of a specific race-class and/or sex-status/preference.
lol.. Shoes on their heads.
True retrograde conservatism: first fertile females, then noncitizens, then thim uppity nonwhites...
They hate anyone who isn't them.
Poor sarc. The guy who calls everyone Hitler and racist claims others are the hateful ones.
We hate everyone who wants to kill us, steal our tax dollars, and hates the freedoms our system has offered. This includes you and the retard above you. You fucking clowns will scream for illegals to be given money and housing as a "right" and in the next breath declare the 2A as a limited privilege.
Any bets on which "liberal" will accidentally hang hisself shaving to make room for another Trumparoo?
Hopefully it’s you
Is it Mike Pence?
SQRLS says it's Mike Pence.
Libertarians for as few people having rights as possible.
Amen! Rights for MEEEEE butt snot for thee!
paraphrased, "If I can't have a 'right' to your house then you're racist!"
I'll expect to see my key to your house in the mail least you be an admitted racist. /s
Rights for thee but not MEEEEE????!!!!! /s
F'En morons.
This whole nation here in the USA is "your house" just ass soon ass Ye PervFectly start paying real estate taxes on ALL of shit!!!
How many Catholic priests, Native American Shamans, Methodist Ministers, Scientology “Leaders”, Jewish Rabbis, and Islamic and Hindu “Holy Men” are you inviting into YOUR house to stay with YOU? None, right? Since they are living “at large” in the territory of the Collective Hive of the USA, then with the Collective Hive of the USA being just EXACTLY like YOUR living room, the public (voters, through the Powers of Government Almighty) should decide which religious leaders are allowed to practice which religions in USA territory!!! Because the Collective Hive owns it ALL!!! …
Straight-through and honest analogy here… If this does NOT clarify to you, the collectivism inherent in your analogy, then you have a fossilized mind!
You pay taxes on your property, and maintain it. You have the right to says who uses it, no doubts in my mind about THAT! You do NOT own (or pay taxes on) ALL territories in the USA, power-grabbing PIG!
RU really trying to preach that GLOBAL collectivism (ALL people own the USA) is somehow suppose to defeat *Citizens* collectively being part of a nation???
Keep spinning crook. What-ever it takes to sell-a-sucker on your self-entitlement.
The one who thinks and stinks that the entire USA is JUST EXACTLY like shit's own living room... Accuses me of self-entitlement! Go finger THAT shit out!!!
Libertarians dont believe in contracts or agreements?
Pretty dumb even for you.
They have a right to say what they want. They don't have a right to violate agreements they signed up for. Like your marriage.
What, exactly, violates the visa agreement?
U.S. visa terms and conditions vary by visa type but generally involve demonstrating clear intent to return home, proving sufficient funds, adhering to specific purpose of visit, avoiding ineligibility factors and complying with visa-specific rules, such as the 2-year home residency for some J-1s or employer/worker duties for temporary visas like H-2B.
Key conditions focus on honesty, financial stability, and abiding by U.S. immigration laws, with violations leading to denial or future ineligibility.
Weird how in all of that, there doesn’t seem to be any mention of “speech the government doesn’t like” or “criticizing the President” or “protesting against an American ally” or “condemning autocrats” or any other version of speech.
So I’ll ask again, a different way:
In which part of the visa agreement did visitors and visa holders surrender their First Amendment rights? Can you point to any part of the agreement that does such a thing?
They don't surrender their First Amendment rights. They can say anything they wish, subject to the standard legal restrictions on speech, and they will not be prosecuted for that. That doesn't mean they will continue to be welcome as visitors to our country.
Download the pdf and scroll down to the section, Security and Background Information. You will see a long list of activities and statuses that invalidate a visa. This is not an exhaustive list covering all types of visa, but it provides many examples of violations.
https://assets-global.website-files.com/5cef7312323d3af36b779b08/661ec1f93c7065b69f85014d_DS-160-Example_11-19-2020.pdf
The 'right' to other people's things/nation?
You obviously have no idea what an inherent 'right' is.
Hey, this magazine is on record cheering for open-ended taxpayer funded welfare for illegal immigrants, so I wouldn't say "for as few as possible".
The BoR is a limit on government action. If you start saying that a non-citizen can be ejected for sedition, then can you also say that person can be subjected to double jeopardy, loss of property or cruel & unusual punishment?
This is not a sarcastic or trolling question. Please explain how you decide which enumerated rights a non-citizen within the boarders of the US has or does not have (I'm not talking about the free-for-all of progie "rights" that are actually commodities)
The limit on prosecuting speech =/= a limit on 'repealing invasion'.
The only confusion around here is the manipulation of the self-entitled.
Remaining in our country without our permission is not a right they have, so your question is apples-and-oranges.
For the "bill of rights" I believe most should apply to non-citizens. For instance if a non-citizen commits a crime (or is arrested for a crime) they're still due a proper jury trial and are afforded all the rights of a citizen. But other rights get much more hazy and are based on the 'property interest' involved in the case. I listened to an experienced trial lawyer describe this situation in autistic detail. Essentially what he said was an illegal alien doesn't have or retain the same property interest as a citizen, so certain areas of due process don't apply, or are much more streamlined. For instance, if you're in the country illegally, it doesn't require an 8 week trial with a judge and full jury to decide your fate regarding deportation, because definitionally you don't have the same 'property interest' as a citizen would.
Easy. The agreed to terms they signed when they came here. Willingly.
Violation of those terms is revocation of their privilege to be here. That is not criminalization. That is holding them to their willingly entered into agreements.
Why is this so hard for some of you?
“ Why is this so hard for some of you?”
Because you say this same thing all the time, but when asked a simple question like “what part of the visa agreement does this violate”, you vanish like a fart in the wind.
It could not matter less what other courts have said or how they have ruled in cases concerning the First Amendment. Original intent and tradition also do not matter, even a little bit! This is not even a matter of "interpreting" the Constitution. The plain, unambiguous words of the First Amendment speak for themselves, and any judge who violates the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution should be impeached and removed from the Bench. If Congress makes a law abridging the freedom of speech, it should be struck down immediately by the Supreme Court. If officials of the executive branch enforce rules or otherwise abridge the right of free speech for any person inside the United States they should be prosecuted for the violation and punished if found guilty.
This is not even a matter of "interpreting" the Constitution.
Good luck with that left/libertarian alliance then.
Yet free-speech doesn't *entitle* anyone to something they had no 'right' to in the first place.
How you still dont understand how the constitution refers to immigration is amazing. Youre literally incapable of learning. Purely incapable. Foreigners have zero right to remain in the country. They can be expelled at any time for any reason. Your refusal to understand this simple concept shows open borders is a religion to you.
“ How you still dont understand how the constitution refers to immigration is amazing.”
Well then, Professor, why don’t you explain it to us.
Start by referencing every time the Constitution mentions “immigration” or “immigrants”, since your quote “How you still dont understand how the constitution refers to immigration is amazing.” indicates that you know where and how they refer to immigration in the Constitution.
The hate is strong with commenters.
It is well established that the government can not revoke or deny discretionary things to people for illegal reasons.
It is amazing how bad the education on American constitutional understanding is in china.
Yes, even 250 years later, the American Way is so revolutionary that people from other cultures have difficulty comprehending it.
Any time the President does something Root doesn't like he says that it's actually Congress in charge.
When Congress does something behind doesn't like we're then supposed to not obey Congress.
When Congress does something behind doesn't like we're then supposed to not obey Congress.
It's OK to refer to him as the ass, dumbass, or asshole.
Damon, read the first seven words of the US Constitution. If you're competent those seven words explain who the US Constitution applies to.
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Damon, Courts have ruled that aliens have no Second Amendment rights. If the Constitution doesn't apply there, it doesn't apply at all. The problem is that Liberal politicians and judges have been allowing the application of Constitutional rights piecemeal to aliens. This makes those who don't know better or don't want to know better believe that they have those rights.