A Judicial Solution for Presidential Overreach and Congressional Abdication
The Supreme Court should take a page from its own history.
The recent high-profile cases of Trump v. Slaughter and Learning Resources v. Trump might not initially appear to share very much in common. Yes, they both involve President Donald Trump, but the former is about the president's purported authority to fire the heads of federal agencies at will, while the latter is about the president's purported authority to unilaterally impose tariffs. Totally different legal issues, right?
Well, yes and no. Trump's name may dominate the headlines, but both cases are also about the actions of Congress. Or perhaps it might be better to say that both cases are about the inactions of Congress; about how Congress has relinquished its lawmaking power over many years both to the executive branch and to the executive-ish federal agencies who wield what a notable jurist once called "quasi-legislative" authority. In other words, both cases are about the separation of powers.
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The framers of the U.S. Constitution famously divided power among three branches of government so that, as James Madison explained in Federalist 51, the "constituent parts may, by their mutual relations, be the means of keeping each other in their proper places." The constitutional separation of powers was absolutely vital, Madison argued, because "ambition must be made to counteract ambition."
Notice the key assumptions on which this argument rests: Madison assumed that each branch would seek to enlarge its powers; but he also assumed that each branch would jealously guard its powers from being seized by the other branches.
President after president after president has certainly behaved as Madison assumed. But what about Congress?
Consider the constitutional authority "To declare War," which is granted exclusively to Congress via Article 1, Section 8. Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization. When an ambitious president meets a supine Congress, what's left of the separation of powers?
What's left is the third branch of government. Madison described the proper role of the judiciary as being "an impenetrable bulwark against every assumption of power in the legislative or executive."
I know what some of you are thinking, and you're right: The Supreme Court has undeniably failed to perform that judicial duty on many occasions. But there are some estimable past examples worth remembering, and emulating, today.
In 1935, the Supreme Court weighed the fate of the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 (NIRA), which President Franklin Roosevelt had championed as "the most important and far-reaching legislation ever enacted by the American Congress." Among other things, the NIRA placed unprecedented lawmaking power in the hands of the president.
Yet "such a sweeping delegation of legislative power" cannot be reconciled with the Constitution, declared Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes in Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States. "Congress cannot delegate legislative power to the President to exercise an unfettered discretion to make whatever laws he thinks may be needed or advisable for the rehabilitation and expansion of trade or industry."
The Court's Schechter ruling was 9–0, which meant that even the Progressive legal hero Justice Louis Brandeis lined up against Roosevelt. In fact, shortly after the decision came down, Brandeis personally delivered a blunt message to White House lawyers Tommy Corcoran and Ben Cohen. "This is the end of this business of centralization," Brandeis said to them, "and I want you to go back and tell the president that we're not going to let this government centralize everything."
By enforcing the non-delegation doctrine (and other venerable constitutional principles) in Schechter, the Supreme Court did its part to enforce the separation of powers. And the Court did so, it is worth noting, even though the legislative branch had voluntarily surrendered some of its powers to the president.
That same judicial solution to the intertwined problems of executive overreach and congressional abdication is still an option today. Or at least it is still an option if the current Supreme Court is prepared to do its job.
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Then FDR threatened packing the Court in 1937 and judicial resistance ebbed away.
No, it didn’t. Just because you say something doesn’t make it so.
Yes it did. Just because you deny something doesn't unmake it.
LOL... Yes he did. That's pretty common knowledge.
Stitch in time saves wut? - Nelson
I wasn’t refuting what FDR did. Everyone knows he threatened/attempted to oack the court. And how did that end?
What I was refuting was the ridiculous claim that suddenly the judiciary kowtowed to the President.
As usual with conservatives, they take a grain of truth and bake a full loaf of bullshit bread.
If you want a good and factual explanation of who and what sank FDR’s court-packing plan: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-fdr-lost-his-brief-war-on-the-supreme-court-2
Which is why I pointed out saying “judicial resistance ebbed away” doesn’t make it so. In fact, the exact opposite was true. The courts were an important and significant balance against FDR’s more radical ideas throughout his four presidential terms.
lol... Your cite says exactly the opposite of what you do.
No the "New Deal"(...to re-invent/void the US Constitution) wasn't defeated in the end, only at first before FDR threatened to stuff the court, and that is why Security for Socialists & Min Wage exists today.
Apparently you are having a different conversation than the rest of us.
The statement that was false was “Then FDR threatened packing the Court in 1937 and judicial resistance ebbed away.”.
The article points out that, rather than causing “judicial resistance to ebb away”, it caused the exact opposite.
From the article: “Senator Burton Wheeler read a letter from Chief Justice Hughes to the committee, which explained the need for an independent Supreme Court and debunked much of the logic behind the bill and Cummings’s testimony. An additional signer on the Hughes letter was the liberal justice, Louis Brandeis.”.
FDR threatened to pack the court and, rather than “ebb away”, judicial resistance to FDR became very public, very pointed, and very clearly opposed to the President.
So no, FDR threatening to pack the court didn’t cause judicial resistance to ebb away, it caused it to strengthen.
...in the land where a 'pass' is actually a 'resistance'?
No matter what cherry-picked details you want to spout the *reality* is opposite what you are preaching. Thus ur preaching nothing but BS propaganda.
How does one acquire a high paying job where it's impossible to fire you? Asking for a friend.
Reason writers aren't highly paid.
A note on "that which is unseen" in all of the discussion of war powers:
Initially, the country had neither a standing army *nor* a well-maintained arsenal with which to go to war. Congress had to approve both the spending *and* the conscription required to raise an army. For better or for worse, drones sitting on a tarmac, consuming maintenance costs pretty fundamentally obviate much of the "He needs to ask Congress (or the Judiciary's) permission, first!" and renders the entire position a bit of a moot "War Powers!" yodeling from atop a mountain of ethical compromises. Between various Presidents, Congressional approval for wars and conflicts, and "Three generations of imbeciles is more than enough." there's plenty of meat to be had that the Judicial rei(g)ning in(on) the Congress rei(g)ning in(on) the Legislative is just a game of musical chairs where no chairs get taken away (or even get added), or a "best of infinity" game of Rochambeau both ethically and fiscally/empirically.
Damon seems to want more of the judicial over reach he has cheered on this year, despite the number of losses he ignores at the appeals court. Judicial supremacy right damon?
Libertarian writer clearly wants a monarchy as I now am calling for.
Libertarians in general, and Reason on particular, have consistently been very clear about opposing the centralization of power in the Executive branch and calling on Congress to protect their prerogatives.
The Judiciary is a 100% reactive body. Unlike the Executive and Legislative, they cannot initiate anything on their own. They can only judge cases that are initiated by someone else and come before them. The Supreme Court in particular gets a vanishingly small percentage of cases. Most are correctly adjudicated well below their level.
Calling a passive body “monarchical” while we have a President trying to consolidate all political power into the executive is farcical.
Judges holding the executive to Constitutionally enumerated powers is judicial overreach. But the executive acting like a king is just fine. Because Trump *is* the Constitution and I support anything he says and does (even when the two are contradictory).
Like a king. Lol. Democrat retard detected.
So let me ask you. Why are all your cheered judicial decisions being overturned at appeals? Judges are grossly overstepping their role. But youre too dumb to realize this shrike as you scream no kings like a retard.
Even in your retarded retort you fail to realize that the USSC and appeals are stopping the judicial over reach. Because youre not intelligent . You demand article 2 powers to not exist st all when dems aren't in power. Youre a fool shrike.
SCOTUS majority is voting for their guy because he's in power. If Biden did any of this, SCOTUS would vote against him. It'll be interesting to see SCOTUS reverse these decisions the next time a Dem tries to use the newly granted executive powers.
I already said retard democrats detected lol. Apparently you only want dem activist judicial supremacy. Move to Brazil or china. They have what you want.
Except all three have gone against him on multiple occasions (separately at least), and Roberts can hardly be counted on to side with the more conservative wing in any given case.
Swing and a miss, champ.
“ Why are all your cheered judicial decisions being overturned at appeals?”
They aren’t. If Trump cases played baseball, their batting average would start with a zero.
#libertarians4bureaucrats
#libertarians4deepstate
#nokingsbutBureaucrats
Notice the TDS.
Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization.
As if no other President before Trump has done the same.
As if Congress has never before been so supine and eager to let the President run things.
This is the very first article in the history of the magazine where they said Congress should reign in the president. Very first time. Why? Because Trump of course. Yeah, libertarians have never ever said that before. They only came around because of Trump. Mmmm hmmm.
That was sarcasm by the way.
I totally don't remember any articles about the "imperial presidency" prior to 2025. My search that turned up dozens of articles, many about Biden, is fake news.
Give us some of the numerous examples you found. Bet many of them mention Trump as well.
Now show me the number of articles about judicial or congressional over reach.
“ Give us some of the numerous examples you found. Bet many of them mention Trump as well.”
There are dozens, if not hundreds that don’t mention Trump or merely mention him as the endpoint in a decades-long trend that libertarians oppose.
Put on a search filter for this site that ends at January 20, 2025 or January 20, 2017 and you will get pages and pages of hits. Including entire books written about the rise of the imperial presidency and its detrimental effects on democracy. And this was true long before Trump became President.
Do you think about multiple stupid things and post the dumbest or are your knee-jerk reactions exclusively composed of idiotic beliefs?
That's nice, but it's not my complaint and not what I said. I quoted the line at issue. If you want to whine about "Never before ...", do so to Damon Root, who I quoted as pretending this has been a problem only with Trump. There's your culprit.
Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization.
Maybe the author used Trump's name because he's the current president, not because it's the very first time the thought ever occurred to him. Ever think of that? Of course not.
Just a few of many articles I found by searching for "war authorization" prior to 2025:
https://reason.com/volokh/2015/06/13/still-no-legal-authorization-f/
https://reason.com/2012/12/08/the-last-time-america-declared-war/
https://reason.com/2011/05/25/illegal-war-congress-doesnt-ca/
https://reason.com/2023/02/14/why-is-it-so-hard-for-congress-to-end-a-war/
https://reason.com/2017/09/11/rand-paul-stages-senatorial-sit-in-for-d/
https://reason.com/2018/04/19/senators-respond-to-trumps-unauthorized/
https://reason.com/2015/01/21/sotu-obama-requests-authorization-for-wa/
https://reason.com/2015/02/18/obamas-phony-war-limits/
https://reason.com/2013/03/12/rand-paul-vs-the-forever-war/
https://reason.com/volokh/2019/05/17/yemen-iran-and-the-war-powers-act/
"La la la la I can't hear you la la la Reason has TDS la la la they never complain about Democrats la la la only Trump la la la laaaaaa you're a poopy-head la la la I can't hear you....."
/Jesse, SGT, etc.
Notice, again, that I did not complain about Reason or past articles. I complained very specifically about Damon Root and one sentence.
Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization.
Is that sentence incorrect? No it’s not. So your complaint is that Reason is picking on poor little old Trump and not previous presidents. Poor Trump. Reason is so mean to him.
None of them are responsive to my ask retard lol. Why shrike changed his search.
Well then, genius, you can search “imperial presidency”, like I said above, and get a massive trove of articles and book reviews.
But I notice when people point out that you have said something stupid (yet again), you disappear like a fart in the wind.
The people who are complaining don't care. In their minds Reason never criticized any president before Trump because the authors all have TDS. Any evidence that contradicts that narrative doesn't exist because you're a poopy-head. An extra poopy poopy-head. With poop on top.
More strawman arguments? I never expected this!
It was retardation by the way.
Ironically some of the cases at scotus are about congressional overreach lol.
Your understanding of government and constitution is basically the KBJ version. Analysis by retard.
Actually when you think you are being sarcastic you are speaking truth. Because it's Trump there's now a problem that they never had prior while their guy was doing it...
Sarcasmic is proud of Leftist partisan hack biased judges full of hate for Trump and how they are standing up to him when he does the same things that democrats did and they never complained for a moment...
Ignore articles that contradict your delusional narrative and call me names. Good boy. You get two kudos and a pat on the head.
Pretty sure he’s referring to these judges…
And then to go on and pretend the 1930s Supreme Court was heroic in turning back centralization of power in the federal government.
What a useless article. What is the point of this, anyway? The Supreme Court has been allowing and encouraging federal centralization since the first National Bank, if not before.
*That same judicial solution to the intertwined problems of executive overreach and congressional abdication is still an option today. Or at least it is still an option if the current Supreme Court is prepared to do its job.*
Good story, bro. The SC isn't the branch that won't do its job. That's the legislative branch, and it has been for decades. And nothing you wrote solves how the court is going to force the legislature to, you know, legislate.
FDR was a tyrant, and he was trying to usurp the power of the other two branches against their will. Trump loves power as much as anyone who has sat in that office, but he's not trying to steal the powers of the legislative branch. They are gleefully giving them up so they can focus on raising money and staying in office without any sticky votes on their records.
“ The SC isn't the branch that won't do its job.”
True. The Judiciary is the only branch that is doing its job and is standing alone in protecting us from authoritarianism. Congress is a limp dick and the Executive is the threat.
“ FDR was a tyrant, and he was trying to usurp the power of the other two branches against their will.”
Agreed.
“ Trump loves power as much as anyone who has sat in that office, but he's not trying to steal the powers of the legislative branch.”
Of course he is. From levying taxes to declaring a war, he is constantly stealing powers delegated to Congress. And he has openly said he doesn’t have to abide by any judicial ruling save the Supreme Court, which is also (to the surprise of absolutely no one) not what the Constitution says. Trump is absolutely a tyrant and, because unlike FDR he refuses to accept Judicial authority, he is far worse than FDR.
“ They are gleefully giving them up so they can focus on raising money and staying in office without any sticky votes on their records.”
And this is the meat of the situation. Because there are no term limits, Congress members have decided to avoid challenging the President for fear of a primary challenge.
But on a more fundamental level, Congress is designed to have members who only do the things that their money interests want, not what their constituents want. Because when it comes to money, Congress members can find it like a truffle pig finds expensive mushrooms.
“Of course he is. From levying taxes to declaring a war, he is constantly stealing powers delegated to Congress.”
I would argue that Congress abdicated (mostly) those powers to the Executive well before Trump, so he can’t really steal something that was at least partially given over before he came down that escalator.
Indeed. That was my rather clear (I thought) point.
“ but he's not trying to steal the powers of the legislative branch”
This is what you wrote. It is a completely untrue statement.
“ would argue that Congress abdicated (mostly) those powers to the Executive well before Trump”
They are powers enumerated to Congress in the Constitution. Trump literally has no right to exercise those powers, per the Constitution.
If you wish to say something like “Trump has stolen powers that don’t belong to the Executive, like numerous Presidents before him”, that would be accurate.
Saying “Trump didn’t steal anything because there were different thieves before him” isn’t a true statement. Theft is theft. The Constitution is the Constitution. It’s pretty black and white.
I would point out that the biggest difference between Trump and the other unconstitutional thefts of the past is both the breadth of unconstitutional actions he is taking and the brazenness of his thefts.
He is challenging clearly established Constitutional rights like birthright citizenship. He is claiming emergencies that don’t exist (and wars that don’t exist) with a complete disregard for the law and the Constitution.
I imagine you like the policy objectives he is pursuing, but I would like to think that you oppose the way he is implementing them. Consciously and intentionally breaking the law, ignoring the Constitution (yes, Donald, you do have to follow court orders, not just those from the Supreme Court), executing civilians without trial, and a myriad of other behaviors has made the Constitution and the rule of law the enemy of conservatives.
When you claim you have to destroy something in order to save it, you are doing wrong.
I would love for the court to state that ALL rules, regulations, "friendly reminders", and such issued by the federal government MUST be reviewed and approved by the legislature before becoming effective. If Congress didn't pass it, it doesn't exist.
They cant write that article after defending the "non partisan independent" entities like the fed.
Or....SCOTUS could just enforced federal law as it is written. Almost all of the problems with Trump are when he violates federal law. SCOTUS needs to stop bailing him out.
LOL.. Moron; the 'federal law' as [D]s wrote it *is* the issue.
Trump *is* abiding by 'federal law'.
"Trump *is* abiding by 'federal law'."
That is an absurd statement.
Then im sure you have a clear example the appeals courts haven't stopped yet.
How so? Name what Trump has done that previous Presidents didn't under "federal law".
The violation sits in POS [D]s writting 'federal law' that violates the 'supreme law'.
Such as what? Most of these judges are stopping him from following the law like the INA dumdum.
"Separation of Powers" is not found in the Constitution, and if you actually read the Constitution you would find that the concept is not in there. Powers are commonly shared between branches.
Maybe if YOU read the Constitution, you would discover that powers are not 'shared'. They are 'enumerated'. That enumeration is the basis of separation of powers - with 'checks and balances' being the process by which each 'branch' can claim its authority.
That interpretation of the Constitution as having enumerated powers is defined through the Ninth Amendment - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. which can only be legitimately construed to limit the powers of ALL branches of government if powers are not enumerated. But ALL DeRps have - over the centuries - undermined the clear meaning of the Ninth. D's by invoking some notion that govt is unlimited as long as the different branches 'share' rather than 'compete'. R's by explicitly limiting the rights of the people only to those rights that were enumerated in 1789.
Powers are shared. For example the president is the Commander in Chief of the military, but Congress writes the laws, declares wars, and funds the military. Shared power.
That is not shared power. Shared power would be both Congress and Prez being CinC, funding war, declaring war. Separate power means Prez is always CinC - but if Congress thinks he's screwing up, they eliminate the funding.
Okay Jeff dummer than everyone sock puppet Molly. Keep wishing you lived in America.
Commies telling us how the constitution works is hilarious.
"It's a ?living? (i.e. VOID) law that swings any which way [OUR] sun-gods shines.", said every [D]emon-rat who ever identified as a [D]emon-rat.
Literally fulfilling the very party-platform of "[WE] Identify-as *special* people RULES absolute!"
Having an Actual *Constitution* Supreme Law gets in the way of their *special* people RULES tyranny. One could easily say 'democracy' championing w/o any principle (constitution) is the point-of-error spot in every political-ill seen today.
The USA is NOT a Democracy.
It is a *Constitutional* Republic.
That same judicial solution to the intertwined problems of executive overreach and congressional abdication is still an option today.
The failure is Congress. The judiciary will not man the barricades in search of a solution. The judiciary is 'accountable' to the executive and the Senate. Not to any external check. In particular, they have proven to be contemptuous of any notion that Congress is a structural failure - by denying standing for partisan gerrymandering. ie - Congress cannot possibly be accountable to the external check by 'we the people'.
I don't think congressional failure can be fixed at this point. Elections can't change it. Incumbents are completely corrupt and those who've bought those incumbents now structurally control Congress. Voters have been successfully manipulated into believing that they should pretend that they can only influence 'national' level through the executive. The judiciary won't change it. The executive wants Congress broken. Governance-wise, the US is broken beyond repair - with no reform mechanism in sight.
Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization.
Why single out Trump? They ignored Dubya and Last Black President Ever doing it too.
I know what some of you are thinking, and you're right: The Supreme Court has undeniably failed to perform that judicial duty on many occasions.
I swear Damon, it's like you don't understand the Judicial Branch at all. They are NOT policy makers. They are NOT policy arbiters. They are NOT in charge of how Congress decides to run itself. The are NOT in charge of making sure a President behaves in a way you approve. They are NOT going to tell either the Legislature OR the Executive how they have to conduct themselves and carry out their business.
Their job is very simple: is what they're being presented with Constitutional or Unconstitutional. That's it. They tell you what the law MEANS. They don't weigh in on the merits of it - and they don't WANT to (well, some do, and they don't belong anywhere near a municipal court bench, let alone SCOTUS) - just, does the Constitution allow it or not; was a legal/procedural error committed somewhere, etc.
Congress can delegate authority because the Constitution doesn't say it can't. So long as the President isn't actually writing law, if Congress provided the "what" and then delegated the "how" over to him (because they didn't want the accountability of its consequences to fall on them) - they can do that.
Now, the Courts may very well embrace a more non-delegation posture (Thomas especially) - but that's going to be a cue for Congress to act; not a tying of the Presidency's hands today.
a supine Congress
They're not supine. They're also not Congressmen. They're theater-kids cosplaying as legislators. Every thing they do - every single thing every single one of them does these days - is performance art. Nothing more. It's designed for MSM/social media virulence, and to gin up partisanship. Which they all depend on in order to retain power and stature.
They have no interest in legislating anything. It's all just about keeping themselves and their respective ilk in power and fortune for as long as possible.
And the American People don't care because they abdicated their civic duties long ago, and have been asleep at the wheel ever since happily led by a cult of personality who placates them with what they want to hear while they focus more on their Wall-E lives that they want to see disrupted as little as possible.
The government we asked for.
Their job is very simple: is what they're being presented with Constitutional or Unconstitutional. That's it. They tell you what the law MEANS. They don't weigh in on the merits of it - and they don't WANT to
Identify that specific clause in the Constitution. Otherwise - you're just making shit up.
Congress can delegate authority because the Constitution doesn't say it can't.
Congress cannot delegate ANY authority of Congress itself. Because doing so would eliminate the ability of a future congress to claim its own enumerated authority. Your notion is that once Congress delegates something - then that authority resides in the executive forever. That Congress can bind future Congresses and in so doing create a 'slippery slope' towards executive dictatorship.
The Presidential Oath of Office - directly in the Constitution - requires that the President 'faithfully execute the Office of President'. That office in turn is specifically limited to executive powers. Congress can't delegate executive powers because it has no executive powers to begin. Congress can't delegate legislative powers to the executive branch because the exec branch can only execute the laws - not whatever the fuck they want to do.
Identify that specific clause in the Constitution.
Marbury vs Madison, referring to Articles III and IV.
Congress cannot delegate ANY authority of Congress itself.
I already explained that. There's some nuance there that you either didn't read or are choosing to ignore.
Your notion is that once Congress delegates something - then that authority resides in the executive forever.
I said no such thing. Future Congresses are not "bound" by prior ones. Congress could un-delegate something just as easily as they delegate it.
They just don't. For reasons I already explained. Which you either didn't read or are choosing to ignore.
Congress can't delegate executive powers because it has no executive powers to begin.
It's not delegating executive powers. Nor is it delegating legislative power. It's delegating implementation of legislative law/policy. With pretty broad authority.
I suspect maybe you need a remedial civics class before you try to participate further in these kinds of conversations. You keep misusing terms that anyone actually educated on even a most basic level on the subject would not.
Marbury vs Madison
I don't disagree - but citing a judicial decision as constitutional authority for future judicial decisions is - suspect.
Congress could un-delegate something just as easily as they delegate it. It's delegating implementation of legislative law/policy. With pretty broad authority.
Congress didn't delegate anything. They defined who/how those laws would be implemented. Constitutionally - but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. A commission/committee is, by definition, an inferior officer - as is any single executive lower than cabinet level.
There is no 'pretty broad authority' by the Prez in this. The Prez is restricted TWICE - where the Office of Prez is only authorized to have executive authority and where the Prez himself is required to take a specifically worded oath to faithfully execute that office.
Just to give one example of exactly how limited the Prez authority is:
The ONLY reason the Prez even has nomination authority is because if Congress identifies/names an individual to execute that law, then they are potentially encroaching on executive power. But if they chose to appoint randomly selected citizens to define how the law will be implemented, then the Prez would have NO authority to replace them.
but citing a judicial decision as constitutional authority for future judicial decisions is - suspect.
Why?
I mean, you're effectively saying "judicial review is suspect" even though Marshall was abundantly clear on how it wasn't. In fact, if you spend two seconds thinking about it, by disputing it you'd find yourself in a position where Congress (or States) could pass patently unconstitutional laws (eg. "Black people may still be considered property for purposes of enslavement." "All citizens must attend Christian church services on Sunday." "Prison beatings are permitted to increase guard morale.")
Obviously that flies in the face of 13A, 1A, 8A respectively, but without judicial review what's to stop them? The only remedy at that point would be to get Congress (who passed the law) to repeal it.
Is that what you want?
Congress didn't delegate anything. They defined who/how those laws would be implemented.
aka delegation.
There is no 'pretty broad authority' by the Prez in this.
Because you're talking about appointments, not policy implementation.
Again, I don't think you're prepared for this conversation. You're misusing terms left and right. Since you apparently haven't taken remedial civics yet, let me give you a quick lesson:
Let's take the EPA. So, Congress passes the Clean Air Act and establishes the EPA. That's 100% Congress. Preezy can't do that on his own. He also can't dictate the Head of the EPA. He has to nominate them, and then the Senate has to agree/confirm.
With me so far?
So the CAA is law, the EPA exists, and Congress has signed off on the department head. Now the President can start putting in inferior officers in place and setting policy direction for the EPA to follow. And, so long as it's not outright violative of the Clean Air Act (in this case), he DOES have pretty broad authority, and said policies have legal standing under the Clean Air Act.
The Executive Branch is, at this point (wait for it...) executing authority in a duly delegated supervisory capacity.
Make sense?
But if they chose to appoint randomly selected citizens to define how the law will be implemented, then the Prez would have NO authority to replace them.
But they don't. They allow the Executive to nominate them, and then confirm the appointment. And if Preezy doesn't like what they're doing, he can summarily dismiss them and put forth a new nominee for confirmation.
Incidentally - all of this could be revoked by Congress any time they wanted. But I've already explained why they don't do that.
Damon, what "acts of war"? Be specific. No Democrat talking points.
$20 says he replies, "We have always been at war with Eastasia."
Facts are now “Democratic talking points?”.
Of course you think that.
Yeah; So stop questioning the [D] tyrants lies! /s
The lies are settled as ?facts?! /s
As-if that BS stunt isn't a very common practice of leftards.
"The Science" (leftard BS) is settled! /s
'Gun' Demanding their facts just like they 'Gun' Demand their THEFT benefits.
Excellent Article +1000000000.
"if the current Supreme Court is prepared to do its job."
And rule *all* the [D] UN-Constitutional Nazi-BS void.
Instead of just cherry-picking ONLY TRUMP can't do it like districts are doing.
> Yet Congress has officially done nothing in response to Trump carrying out repeated acts of war without even the slightest hint of congressional authorization. When an ambitious president meets a supine Congress, what's left of the separation of powers?
*sigh*
Root, Congress wrote an AUMF that Obama distorted to justify wars in *Africa*. Reason wasn't all that concerned.
Also, is the issue here that Congress hasn't said its ok? Because you all have been screaming that these are just drug runners - not an invasion, thus military force is unjustified.
So if Congress says 'boo!' its suddenly going to be ok to blow these guys up 'without sufficient due process'?
Because there are two arguments here - a legal argument (who has authorization to kill people) and a moral argument (is it moral to kill these people).
You've all been screaming that its immoral to kill these people. So even if Congress says its ok are you going to shut up? No. Then stop whining about the legality of doing an immoral thing and focus on the moral argument.
Well said, thank you.
“ Root, Congress wrote an AUMF that Obama distorted to justify wars in *Africa*.”
The AUMF literally authorized the use of force anywhere. Africa is absolutely included in the scope.
It’s a very short and succinct document: https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/23/text/enr
Even you should be able to read it in leas than a minute.
“ Also, is the issue here that Congress hasn't said its ok?”
That is, in fact, the first step in declaring a war. Not the last one by any stretch, but whether military action is justified is definitely the jumping-off point.
Executive declarations, on the other hand, aren’t part of anything. Declaring a group a foreign terror organization only allows for financial sanctions, not military force. Conflating a drug gang with a government is ridiculous to any rational person.
“ So if Congress says 'boo!' its suddenly going to be ok to blow these guys up 'without sufficient due process'?”
No, because the United States would still be constrained by the rules of war. But declaring war on Venezuela (or even getting an AUMF from Congress) would definitely be a good start.
“ You've all been screaming that its immoral to kill these people.”
The majority of the commentary has been about the illegality, rather than the immorality, of the strikes.
The moral case lies more in the realm of individual beliefs, since morality is an individual code.
Do you believe execution without trial for drug smuggling is immoral? If you think it’s murder, you probably would call it immoral. If you think it is some rationalized version of defending fellow Americans, you probably wouldn’t call it immoral.
But as I’ve said before, condemning something as immoral is a weak condemnation, since moral codes are arbitrary and different for every person.
“ Then stop whining about the legality of doing an immoral thing and focus on the moral argument.”
Why? Illegality is a much more valid accusation than immortality. Morality is arbitrary, as I pointed out above.
Also, the Constitution does not give the Judicial branch authority to tell the Legislative how it will manage its relationship with the Executive.
Yes, its bad that Congress has been abdicating its powers to the Executive. Extremely bad.
The solution - as the USSC has itself said - is not for the judges to usurp that authority for themselves.
The very examples you cite of the Judiciary getting involved *enabled more centralization* of power in the Executive.
USSC job *is* exactly to enforce the US Constitution.
Which allocates 'the power' to Congress.
It is not a judicial *usurp* for the USSC to do it's job.
A president should be able to Fire/Removing an appointed agency official, but Hiring/Appointing should require Senate approval.
It's the legislative branch needs to do their jobs. If one branch abdicates their authority, another branch will jump to seize it. Stop demanding that the judicial branch twist everything into a illogical and inconsistent manner just because you have TDS or some other sort of biased derangement, Damon.
>>The Supreme Court should take a page from its own history.
like what, all the 1st & 4th amendment exceptions where the government wins over the restrictions of its own document or like the commerce clause where the government wins every day?
A Judicial Solution for Presidential Overreach and Congressional Abdication: Judicial overreach!
My first thought after reading: "Gosh, I wonder who will roll in and defend FDR?"
LOL.
And to no one’s surprise, the answer is “Nobody”.
I have yet to see any but the most extreme partisans defend FDR’s court packing scheme. Liberals because they want to change the court now and conservatives for several decades before the GOP stole a SCOTUS seat.