Hegseth Mulls Releasing a Video That Illustrates the Brutality of Trump's Murderous Anti-Drug Strategy
The footage shows what happened to the survivors of the September 2 attack that inaugurated the president's deadly campaign against suspected drug boats.
During a Cabinet meeting last Tuesday, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth invoked "the fog of war" while discussing the newly controversial September 2 attack that inaugurated President Donald Trump's deadly military campaign against suspected drug boats in the Caribbean and the eastern Pacific. The implication was that Adm. Frank M. Bradley, who commanded that SEAL Team 6 operation, ordered a second strike, which blew up two survivors as they clung to the smoldering wreckage, in conditions of uncertainty. Yet Hegseth also said he was convinced Bradley "made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat."
To back up that assessment, Bradley and other Pentagon officials showed lawmakers the full video of the attack, which was executed in the Caribbean near Venezuela, during closed-door briefings on Thursday. Unlike the snippet that Trump and Hegseth posted while bragging about the attack, this video shows what happened after the first missile strike, and it provoked sharply different reactions that broke along partisan lines. Democrats such as Rep. Jim Himes (D–Conn.), the ranking minority member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the video reinforced the impression that the second strike amounted to a war crime. Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.), chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters he did not see "anything disturbing" in the video, which he said confirmed that the second strike was "highly lawful."
Americans could judge for themselves which view is more accurate if they were allowed to see the video. On Wednesday, Trump said he saw "no problem" with that. During a Meet the Press interview on Sunday, Cotton likewise said "I personally don't have any problem with" releasing the video, assuming Hegseth decides to declassify it. But on Saturday, Hegseth said he had not yet decided whether to release the video, which he suggested could compromise ongoing U.S. attacks on suspected drug smugglers by revealing information about "sources and methods."
It seems more likely that the video would compromise the Trump administration's defense of the president's bloodthirsty anti-drug strategy, which so far has killed 87 people in 22 attacks. Trump conflates drug smuggling with violent aggression, saying it amounts to "an armed attack against the United States" that justifies a lethal military response. According to that reality-defying theory, suspected cocaine smugglers are "combatants" who can be killed at will, and their unarmed vessels pose a "threat" to U.S. national security that can be neutralized only by completely destroying them. By showing what those positions mean in practice, the video of the September 2 attack would underline the immorality and lawlessness of Trump's policy.
Bradley maintains that the second strike was necessary because the two survivors might have been able to salvage whatever cocaine may have remained on the boat after the first strike. Cotton amplified that argument during his Meet the Press interview on NBC, although he also repeatedly said it does not matter whether that concern was realistic.
The men killed in the second strike were not "helpless survivors," Cotton said. "They were not floating in the ocean on a wooden plank or in life jackets. They were on a capsized vessel. They were not incapacitated in any way. It was entirely appropriate to strike the boat again to make sure that its cargo was destroyed. It is in no way a violation of the law of war."
Himes, who watched the same video, disagrees. "Any American who sees the video that I saw will see the United States military attacking shipwrecked sailors," he told reporters on Thursday. According to the Defense Department's Law of War Manual, "orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal." The manual says individuals are deemed "shipwrecked" when they are "in distress at sea," "helpless," and "in need of care and assistance," provided they "refrain from any hostile act."
As Bradley and Cotton tell it, the survivors of the initial attack did not fall into that category. "They were not in the water surviving only because they had a life jacket or [were] hanging [onto] a plank of wood," Cotton said on Meet the Press. "They were sitting on that boat. They were clearly moving around on it."
That is rather different from the description that The New York Times offered based on information from people who saw the video. The first strike "destroyed most of the boat," the Times reported. "When the smoke finally cleared about 30 minutes later, the front portion of the boat was overturned but still afloat, according to lawmakers and congressional staff who viewed the video or were briefed on it. Two survivors, shirtless, clung to the hull, tried unsuccessfully to flip it back over, then climbed on it and slipped off into the water, over and over."
The crucial point, according to Cotton, is that the men "weren't floating helplessly in the water." Although "I don't think it matters all that much what they were trying to do," he said, "they looked at one point like they were trying to flip the boat back over, presumably to rescue its cargo and continue their mission."
Perhaps, interviewer Kristen Welker suggested, the men were simply trying to "stay afloat." But "maybe they were signaling to other airplanes or drug cartel boats, because they're in waters that are just off drug cartel areas," Cotton said. "At one point the guy takes off his T-shirt. Maybe he's trying to get a suntan. It doesn't really matter what they were trying to do. What matters is they were not in a shipwrecked state, distressed, dog-paddling in the water at all. And therefore, that boat, its cargo, and those drug traffickers remained valid targets."
According to some lawmakers who watched the video, Welker noted, the men "were waving their arms around." She suggested that "the act of taking off a T-shirt could have been part of an attempt to get attention for help." Cotton replied that "it could have been an attempt to signal to another cartel boat to come pick them up and pick up the cargo." But he reiterated that "it doesn't really matter what they were doing" because "they were on that boat" and "that boat was still a valid target."
Cotton's insistence that "it doesn't really matter" whether the two survivors were trying to "continue their mission," or even whether it is plausible that they could have done so, is striking given that Bradley reportedly emphasized that point in defending the second strike. And there is another problem with Cotton's gloss that also raises questions about the decision to target this boat in the first place.
Citing an NBC report, Welker noted that Bradley "told the lawmakers the drugs were heading first to Suriname"—i.e., away from the United States—and "then ultimately to Europe or Africa." She wondered how "a boat that's not heading to the United States" could reasonably be viewed as "an imminent threat to this country."
Cotton did not have a plausible response to that question. "What we know is that these drug cartels, which are designated foreign terrorist organizations, are trafficking drugs to our shores," he said. "And when we have an opportunity to strike one of these boats, or the intelligence gives us high confidence that everyone on the boat is a valid target because they are associated with these cartels, then I think we need to strike it."
Rep. Adam Smith (D–Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, offered a dramatically different take during an interview on ABC's This Week. "Sen. Cotton's description of [the video] is simply not accurate," he said. "The boat was adrift. It was going where the current was going to take it, and these two were trying to figure out how to survive."
When the men "were finally taken out, they weren't trying to flip the boat over," Smith said. "The boat was clearly incapacitated. A tiny portion of it remained, capsized, the bow of the boat. They had no communications device. Certainly they were unarmed." He added that "any claim that the drugs had somehow survived that attack is hard to really square with what we saw."
The Defense Department "ought to release the video," Smith said. "It seems pretty clear they don't want to release this video because they don't want people to see it….If they release the video, then everything that the Republicans are saying will clearly be [seen] to be completely false."
While Cotton said "there's nothing remarkable on that video," Smith found it "deeply disturbing" because "it did not appear that these two survivors were in any position to continue the fight." He also raised a point that goes to the heart of the case for Trump's general policy of summarily executing suspected drug smugglers: "What is the fight exactly?"
The men Bradley killed, Smith noted, were not engaged in combat with U.S. forces or attempting an attack on American targets. They "were trying to bring drugs, and not even to the United States." And although Trump has asserted a "non-international armed conflict" with drug cartels, Smith added, there is "no congressional authorization for this."
The idea that "if maybe there were still drugs somewhere on that boat," it would justify "the use of deadly force" represents "an incredible expansion of presidential power," Smith warned. "If you say anyone who has drugs that they're intending to illegally transit to the U.S. is a legitimate target for deadly force, the amount of power that gives the president and the U.S. military is unprecedented and something that ought to be concerning to all of the American people."
Sen. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.), who appeared on Meet the Press after Cotton, elaborated on that point. "All of these strikes are unlawful," he said. "They're a form of extrajudicial killing. These boats are not invading the United States in an armed assault. They're thousands of miles away. Some of them—maybe even this vessel, if reports are accurate—[weren't] even heading to the United States."
In addition to asserting a nonexistent "armed conflict," Trump and Hegseth routinely call their targets "narcoterrorists." As Schiff noted, that label also does not justify Trump's policy.
Although the government has not publicly identified any of the people whose deaths the president has ordered, Trump said the 11 men killed on September 2 were all members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, which the State Department considers a "foreign terrorist organization" (FTO). That description is counterintuitive as applied to a profit-motivated criminal organization, as opposed to a religious or ideological group that uses violence for political ends. In any event, an FTO designation, which authorizes the Treasury Department to block transactions involving a listed group's assets and triggers criminal penalties for providing it with "material support or resources," is not a license to kill anyone said to be associated with an FTO.
"The fact that the administration may put a group of organizations…on a list," Schiff noted, "doesn't confer on a president the ability to kill them at sea. You could put anyone you want on a list. It doesn't make it lawful to say, 'I can now kill them.'"
All the talk of an "armed conflict" with "narcoterrorists," in short, is an attempt to disguise what is really happening. Instead of intercepting and arresting suspected drug smugglers, which was the practice until September 2, Trump has unilaterally decided to kill them from a distance without legal authorization or any semblance of due process, simultaneously abandoning longstanding principles of criminal justice and obliterating the traditional military distinction between civilians and combatants. The video that Hegseth isn't sure he wants to release would vividly illustrate that policy's implications.
On Sunday, Himes noted the Pentagon's "shifting explanations" for the second strike. Immediately after the attack, he said during an interview on the CBS show Face the Nation, members of Congress were told "we needed to clear the wreckage so that there wasn't a danger to navigation." Then "right before we watched the video," Himes said, the explanation was that the survivors "might have had a radio," "might have been radioing a boat," and "might have been trying to recover the cocaine." But "when you actually watch the video," he noted, "you realize they don't have a radio," and "they're barely hanging on" to what remains of the boat. Then the claim became that they were "trying to right the boat," even though "the conflagration" from the first missile strike "probably destroyed everything in that boat."
What about "the fog of war"? "There was no fog," Himes said. The military "watched the wreckage of the boat very carefully for a long period of time before they took the second strike." He argued that "what Pete Hegseth says about this strike has zero credibility at this point," which is why "it's really important that this video be made public."
The two survivors "were barely alive, much less engaging in hostilities," Himes said. "There's a certain amount of sympathy out there for going after drug runners, but I think it's really important that people see what it looks like when the full force of the United States military is turned on two guys who are clinging to a piece of wood and about to go under, just so that they have sort of a visceral feel for what it is that we're doing."
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They were shooting at the boat. The guys just got in the way.
Keep pounding your fists JS. I dont remember daily and even twice daily pushing of this shit for civilians with water in their trunks. Why is this one so personal to you guys?
Just wait until President AOC declares you to be a terrorist and then sends the military to kill you.
Are you implying that Trump is taking military action against citizens inside the US? Or are you being extra special today, chemjeff retarded individual? I don't remember you complaining when obama drone striked a wedding and killed Americans.
Trump is taking military action against citizens inside the US.
Lol.
Do you have the details of this Constitutional crisis?
Do you ever read the news?
Do you. Have any. Details.
Not narratives. But facts.
Every day. Conservative, libertarian, and mainstream, just to get a proper sample. No mention of the Trump admin taking military action against American citizens. I definitely would have noticed.
Walz +11
Source?
Ah! Somebody noticed that... good.
Walz +4
Never happening.
She'll be killing her supporters first, as all tyrants do (they put them there in the first place).
Seriously? You have got to be the king of the shitty analogy here, Jeff.
This is dumb, every single time you posit it.
Note to foreign readers: DesigNut is an expert on dumb.
Take your meds Hank.
Why is this one so personal to you guys?
It's probably because Trump, like most presidents before him, preemptively changes laws/rules to make whatever they do legal, but in this case, they did something beyond even those tenuous relaxed legal bounds making the administration potentially culpable.
Walz -5.
Beyond shooting American citizens?
He hasn’t droned one, unlike a certain Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Yeah Obama is a murderer too. That doesn't make this OK.
Yes it does! Haven't you learned anything in these comment? Democrats doing it first not only makes it ok, it makes it good. Sure it was bad when Democrats did it, but that's because it was done by Democrats and everything they do is bad. However when Republicans do the same thing it is no longer bad because Republicans are doing it. Not only that but anyone who complains about Republicans never complains about Democrats, and that makes those people hypocrites. Since calling someone a hypocrite invalidates their arguments, any and all criticism of Republicans is invalid. Jesus fuck you should know this by now.
Ironically sarc not only never criticized democrats, but then also says holding democrats accountable is revenge and immoral.
Accurate
I like to pretend I'm speaking to libertarians sometimes.
Is that like when you pretend to be honest?
What dishonesty are you referring to?
It's just a sock created by Jesse or ML to get past me muting them.
Um no. I was lurking on here before the great migration to Glibertarians and the woodchipper incident. I remember John and his typos. I also remember you getting kicked from Glibertarians because you're a raging lunatic who doesn't even remotely resemble anything libertarian. Also, I thought you muted me? Show us the list!
You are always dishonest. This question is dishonest because you know your are full of shit. Admit that you are White Mike. When ENB stopped doing the roundup, you went from white knighting for her to white knighting for sarc.
Wait. Are you doing this because you fell for Jesse's lie that Im Mike? Oh brother.
You didn't answer the request then you insist this to the one person 100% certain you are wrong about me being Mike? It merely proves to me you have poor judgement and you're not to be taken seriously.
BTW, Mike is West coast, I'm East and I was already commenting here while he was white knighting for ENB. Even Jesse knows this.
Walz -2
So retarded
Really. The exercise takes me back to Papist Grade School the year Atlas Shrugged was published. The Penguins went into lengthy glossolalia--at times even calling on Papal Infallibility to remove any shadow of Doubt--to condition the children to believe that when anyone else does it, it's superstition, mysticism, primitive ignorance or demonic Possession. But when Catholics burn people at the stake, THAT's God's Holy Faith!
It makes it okay politically/legally (not necessarily morally). Doubly so since, except for in the comment section, no one setting their hair on fire over this is calling for an end to the War on Drugs, the Global War on Terror, or the myriad laws that both have produced which allow these types of actions.
What laws did he change White Mike?
He declared cartels to be terrorists and proclaimed it legal to kill them on sight.
And thanks for including my honorific title. So many lazy critics have dropped it lately.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act and the other slew of laws passed to fight the GWOT allows the executive branch to declare foreign actors as terrorist, basically to their hearts content.
Not saying that’s right (I welcome a repeal of all of those horrible laws), but it does mean the administration is acting under some cover. It also means Obama was as well for everything except the US citizens he took out.
Right. Administrations use legal means like this to adjust rules/laws (such as declaring people that fit no existing definition of "terrorist" as terrorists) to keep their behavior legal by calvinball approach.
This leaves opponents watching for a technicality of illegal behavior as their only recourse, which is happening here with the double tap crap.
I would add that we’ve called them narcoterrorist for at least 30 years, so it’s not that much of a stretch.
“This leaves opponents watching for a technicality of illegal behavior as their only recourse, which is happening here with the double tap crap.”
I think it will ultimately fail because the terrorist designation basically gives us (as in America) carte blanche to take them out. Which is why Obama taking out weddings and aid workers didn’t raise hackles anywhere but Reason.
I think it will ultimately fail
Me too.
And now for a few words from an adult:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4wvE7G8Fo
Cool story bro.
JS;dr
JS;dr
End the failed War on Drugs.
+1
And start a real War on Drug manufacturers and distributors. No more fucking around.
+1
Repeal all sumptuary laws, and strike out entirely 11A, both 18A and 21A plus Article 1 Section 8 clause 2, Article 4, Section 2, clause 3. Alternatively, voters could simply enact the Atlas Shrugged Amendment: "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade." This last, penned by Ayn Rand, is an apt solution.
Is releasing this tape going to be as big as a massive flop as the release of the Epstein files?
Way less voters care about this. The point of all the blustering and scathing before anyone knows anything by scum media leftists is to condemn their enemies and have the narrative set...when the information is eventually exposed they go silent...never retracting what they said nor featuring what the final truth is (likely not what they screamed about in the lead up to it).
red meat for the base
How do you know the release of the Epstein files will be a flop? And who cares if the administration releases the video and it is a nothing burger?
Deep thoughts from china.
Doing her best to get the highest score on the walz scale.
‘Her’? Is Tony post op now?
Lol I read this and started looking for Jack Handey quotes about China. No luck.
Walz +7
Indeed.
If this were WW2 Sullum would be decrying commerce raiding against Germany.
When did we declare war against Venezuela?
When have we declared war since WW2?
There will never again be a "declared" war. It doesn't work that way anymore.
Arguably, it didn't in WWII.
Rather pointedly; it's not like everybody woke up today 84 yrs. ago today saying, "We aren't at war(... yet)!"
Its kinetic action all the way down.
This isn't against Venezuela. It is against a cartel designated an FTO. When you guys intentionally lie about the issues it just makes you look dumb.
Being designated as a FTO does not make the attacks legal.
The attacks being legal and the JAG overseeing the op make it legal.
You being a retarded plant from china doesnt make it illegal.
Walz +10
That doesn’t leave any room for Tony to top himself. And I have no doubt that he is capable of being significantly more retarded than what we’re seeing here.
Like Spinal Tap, this scale goes to 11.
++++++++++
The government of Venezuela and the cartels are one and the same. Same as in Mexico.
That explains why the cartels and the governments in those countries are killing each other. It's because they're one and the same! Brilliant!
Our own government bureaucracy has had or has ties to Mexican gangs and facilitates drugs across the border. Our CIA financed Bin Laden with drug money. The Maduro regime is making money by facilitating drug trafficking. This is not a stretch by any means. Pair that with open borders... You're a bitter drunk screaming at clouds.
Are they now? You have sources? All cartels?
Walz +2
SSDD, The Constitution doesn't say anything about where and how the electoral votes have to be certified, but anybody who interrupts the process taking an unarmed tour is a de facto insurrectionist even if we've interrupted, delayed, and otherwise reordered the process several times throughout history.
No war were declared at the Battle of Blair Mountain. No war were declared in Little Rock. No war were declared (by the US) in Kosovo. But, sure as shit, US troops blew people, including American citizens on American soil and unarmed foreign civilians, to pieces in *repetitive* strikes.
"Democrats did it first and worse, so that makes it ok."
"Democrats did it first and Republicans sat on their thumbs and now Trump is rolling it back and you are screaming like a two year old who can't get attention."
I can't see what's behind the gray box but:
Democrats did it first
I didn't mention partisans one way or the other and, in fact, cited two Republican Presidents first.
To wit, whether you think the US military shouldn't be blowing people, including American citizens, up without a declaration of war or not, that ship has sailed several dozen times over the last century with the flags of both parties flying under the stars and stripes. The idea that it's *now* illegal because of the narrow exceptions of *this* situation was shot full of holes before that flag could be flown up the pole for anyone of either party to salute.
As Vernon Depner says, "There will never again be a "declared" war. It doesn't work that way anymore."... and it was only tenuously or selectively that way to begin with.
The idea that it's *now* illegal because of the narrow exceptions of *this* situation was shot full of holes before that flag could be flown up the pole for anyone of either party to salute.
The idea that it was *always* illegal has never entered the mind of any Trump defender, because to them everything he does is legal simply because of who is doing it.
Principals, not principles.
If something has always been “illegal” and never seriously pursued and no one held to account for it, applying it to one person is the exact definition of “principals over principles”.
That’s the whole reason you told me you didn’t like his moves earlier this year in regards to all those executive orders cutting funding and what not: it provided precedent for the next administration to do something similar in a direction we don’t like. This is no different, it’s just him following precedent instead of setting it.
His rage is pent up. He doesn’t have a wife to beat or a preteen daughter abuse anymore.
When they bring up Venezuela they are giving their hand away. Supposedly Maduro has no ties to these gangs that are trafficking drugs into our country, but any attack on them is an attack on Venezuela and declaration of war. Which is it?
Walz -4
What year is it? 1925?
You don't have to mail a piece of paper nowadays.
If Venezuela doesn't like it they can declare war against us.
Now that might be fun.
Sign the peace treaty and then blow up the nearest naval installation before the ink dries... you know, the old fashioned way.
War on Terror. Terrorists are being hit along with their income all at once. Two birds and if necessary two more and then two more or maybe 19, whatever it takes?
Venezuela is making war against us. So, we're at war. Declining to "declare" it doesn't change that.
May 13, 1958. But it's classified.
"...assuming Hegseth decides to declassify it."
Ummmm... Trump could declassify it himself.
No, according to the Democrats, the President has no actual authority to declassify - it has to go through and be processed by the bureacracy.
MAGAs just can not write anything without lying.
MAGA with a shellfish allergy: "I will have the lobster."
As the MAGA is dying of allergic reaction: "I was just trolling you, why did you take my words as true?!?"
Tell us again about the mar a lago documents. They talked about it in china.
Walz +11
Is that official ChiCom position? And does your ChiCom handler reward you with an extra benga ball for every hundred comments?
The Nixon campaign subsidies law favoring only looters is the root of most current problems. Cowards won't vote libertarian because "they're not subsidized." Dems won't vote for anything but banning electrical generation and adding the entire GNP to the government budget. Atlas Shrugged appeared in Brazilian translation in 1987. A Constitutional Convention was called to amend adding Nixon-style subsidies for entrenched looter parties. Brazil now has the same number of parties Germany did the year Hitler was elected.
Tom Cotton made it clear that the second bombing was highly lawful. Not medium lawful or average lawful or minimally lawful, but highly lawful. How much lawfulness does everyone want?
It's true that Cotton doesn't provide any details about his scale of lawfulness and how many gradients of lawfulness it has. But the high gradients must have a lot of lawfulness in them, not just some or a little.
It was Lawful Good.
Chaotic Lawful
Whereas most of the democrat henchmen that troll us here are chaotic stupid.
Never heard of Cottonmouth Tom, but Adolf Hitler did declare the Blitz on London absolutely lawful and British bombing of Germany the most heinous of war crimes. THAT you can look up.
I'm not usually a delicious tears type but this shit died last week and your tears are getting tasty
Trump should implement a huge tarriff on illegal drugs. Then he can blow up drug smugglers for tax evasion and the left would be okay with it.
That would be true if the tariff law added a rider excluding anything liable to generate electricity.
it amounts to "an armed attack against the United States" that justifies a lethal military response.
The Neocons are jonesing for another invasion.
Oddly, it’s the neocons who don’t want this one. Read up on how people like Bill Kristol, neocon extraordinaire is against even binning the boats.
How many articles do you need to write spewing your contempt towards America, Americans, POTUS or the GOP?
Just write an article about why you are Marxist and how you want to fundamentally transform America into what it was designed to never be.
While doing so include the ways and means to which you will accomplish the task of transforming America based on the Obama/Biden and democrat policies.
Be sure to include filling the country full of illegal criminals, flood the country with drugs, spending the country into oblivion while funneling the money to your friends, ensuring the complicit media is censoring any dissenting opinions, organize assaults against law enforcement officers and ensure they are dox'd and threatened, allow for child sex trafficking and sexual assault against women and since you hate women as seen by your policies tell them they are not humans, not people but simply birthing vessels. And the plethora of other disgusting actions and policies witnessed over the last couple decades pushed forward by democrats.
I can see Sullum writing n article titled ‘The Reason Case for Authoritarian Marxism Under a Far Left Democrat Regime’. And in the very near future
"How many articles do you need to write spewing your contempt towards America, Americans, POTUS or the GOP?"
Many many more until POTUS and GOP stop their illegal and fascist campaign against the freedom and the rule of law.
Walz +8
I forget. Is Molly Tony? Because I remember you celebrating this "enlightened" decent into madness. Now that its coming to an end you do nothing but dissemble. No facts in evidence that I can tell.
Molly may be Tony’s tranny personality. Like a retarded Marxist Norman Bates.
Because the factual events I stated in my post never happened in your delusional mind, your illness has replaced truth and actual observed history with what your overlords, Maddow and Morning Joe with a dash of The View and Joy Reid, have gaslit you to believe? Yeah I think I nailed it.
Seek help.
"Patriotism means supporting your country always, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain
People who unquestioningly support Trump and his GOP when they spit on the law and the Constitution are not patriots. Y'all are loyalists. Because you're loyal to a man, not your nation. The republic is ending right now. The Trump administration is the proverbial straw. And you're jumping up and down on top of it screaming about how people who are loyal to their nation instead of Trump are Marxists. You're even dumber than the Obamabots who called everyone racist for not supporting him.
Beyond parody at this point.
Sarc broke my Walz Retard Meter.
Lol
Can you give us an example of when you actually understood either the law or constitution?
The racism claim is extra hilarious as you have done it often the last decades, screaming all your enemies and conservatives are racist.
Now you've gone and hurt their feelings. The original Christian National Socialist platform of 1920 proclaimed: "We demand freedom for all religious denominations within the state as long as they do not endanger the state or violate the ethical and moral feelings of the Germanic race." That is as close to the First Amendment as any MAGAt is able to conceive. Now you've hurt their pwecious feelings.
NOW you've gone and hurt their feelings!
Hegseth might release the video.
Meanwhile, everything Edward Snowden revealed, everything Bradley Manning revealed, everything Reality Winner revealed, everything Elon Musk revealed, everything Rand Paul revealed, everything DOGE revealed, everything that has been revealed about NS1 and 2 and everything else from "the most transparent administration ever" had to be and continues to have to be leaked out and live under a perpetual miasma or pall of "only known secondhand or vaguely inferred through hand waving by traitors or disreputable foreign sources".
We *still* don't *know* who exactly was running the country from (at least) 2022-2024.
If nobody stands or stood trial for 12 Americans getting killed in the fall of Kabul, 12 nobodies on a boat in international waters should be a cake walk to stroll away from; to say nothing of the millions killed by no-shit illegal GOF research being done in Wuhan.
We *still* don't *know* who exactly was running the country from (at least) 2022-2024.
Joe was fine, up until about 5 minutes before that debate. Just ask Jeff.
"Democrats did it first and worse, so that makes it ok."
No, Democrats did it and Trump is not doing what Democrats have done and Republicans have allowed. In fact he is walking much of it back. Which is the point and why he got elected. You do understand that right? This is why we won't engage in meaningful dialogue with you; you are full of shit and you know it.
Walz +6
In war people are killed. Sometimes those people might not deserve it. Sometimes it's pretty painful. Icky. Immoral.
The REAL problem here is ..... that we aren't at war.
War is a special thing. We all know that evil stuff is done during war.
In fact most of what government does is morally questionable.
That's why we LIMIT it severely. It's why we only use it in extremely important circumstances.
WAR needs to be declared. Otherwise the perpetrators of said war should be impeached and removed. Yes that goes for Biden, Obama, Clinton and Bush.
If you want to kill people. Get a Congressional declaration.
What makes them so god like they can say a magic word and then the killing is ok?
Once again, let's remember the that primary reason the President can "whimsically" point at someone, utter the incantation "terrorist", and rain a drone strike down on them is because CONGRESS DELEGATED THAT AUTHORITY!
If you want to kill people. Get a Congressional declaration.
So close. Swing and a miss.
"that goes for Biden, Obama, Clinton and Bush." But not Nixon, Reagan, Holy War Bush, Waffen Bush or Yaller Fuhrer.
Perhaps the TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit Sullum could release a video of the spittle flying onto his keyboard as he once more posts:
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which so far has killed 87 people in 22 attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGlCLKbQaw#t=3m37s
Bradley maintains that the second strike was necessary because the two survivors might have been able to salvage whatever cocaine may have remained on the boat after the first strike.
Acceptable basis.
The New York Times offered based on information from people who saw the video.
aka Hearsay.
Citing an NBC report, Welker noted that Bradley "told the lawmakers the drugs were heading first to Suriname"—i.e., away from the United States—and "then ultimately to Europe or Africa."
You're welcome Suriname, Europe, and Africa.
I think it's really important that people see what it looks like when the full force of the United States military is turned on two guys who are clinging to a piece of wood and about to go under, just so that they have sort of a visceral feel for what it is that we're doing."
Yeeeeeesssss... embrace your feelings. Let it overcome your reason. Abandon rationality, and act only on your emotions!
Sincerely,
-Every villain in literary history trying to corrupt/destroy the hero.
There are no heroes. There are only villains on both sides. Heroes call themselves such when they win, but it doesn't make it so. If we'd lost WWII, Hitler would be a hero and Americans would be villains for acts like firebombing cities and putting Japanese into concentration camps.
If you got your wish and was able to mount a violent crusade to convert the world to your religion, and 3/4 of the world population was killed for resisting, you'd praise the killers as heroes. They'd still be mass murderers.
Walz +5
There are no heroes. There are only villains on both sides.
How sad and meaningless life must be for you.
You have my pity.
The Libertarian Party, even as it plucks off MAGA lice, is still a heroic alternative to the force-initiating looter Kleptocracy.
To Christian Altruist Totalitarians, "they might have been Jews" is an acceptable basis for cowardly murder.
I don't care if they were Jews or not. That's not the issue.
The issue is that they're running drugs.
"Murderous Anti-Drug Strategy"
But the AMERICAN people dying on a daily basis because of the drugs being brought into the country is A-OK eh Sullum? All because oRaNgE MaN bAD.
Here's a thought you might want to consider. Don't want to die via drone strike? Don't drive a drug smuggling boat. The equation is so simple.
Trump splooged $250 billion into the economy which ended up being venture capital for criminal organizations…oops.
Japanese cars sold to willing Americans kill red-blooded 'Murricans allatime. So when do we nuke Japan again, mein Fuhrer?
Note to foreign readers: pay close attention to the masked and hooded Trumpanzistas infiltrating the comments to support Christian National Socialist aggression against foreigners who are minding their own business. Remember those things when U.S: lobbyists approach the politicians of your country asking your police to kill people because plant leaves.