Hegseth's 'Fog of War' Is No Excuse for Summarily Executing Suspected Drug Smugglers
Regardless of what the defense secretary knew or said about the September 2 boat attack, the forces he commands are routinely committing murder in the guise of self-defense.
"I did not personally see survivors," Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said at a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday. "The thing was on fire. It exploded, there's fire, there's smoke….This is called the fog of war."
Hegseth, who was referring to the newly controversial September 2 boat attack that inaugurated President Donald Trump's deadly campaign against suspected drug smugglers in the Caribbean and the eastern Pacific, may have been blowing some smoke of his own. It is hard to tell, given the dueling accounts of the circumstances in which two survivors of the initial attack were killed by a second missile. This is called the fog of politics, and it should not obscure the fundamental immorality and lawlessness of the anti-drug strategy that Trump and Hegseth are proudly pursuing.
Let's start with the facts on which everyone seems to agree. As The Intercept reported eight days after the attack, the first strike did not kill everyone on the boat, which was carrying 11 men whom Trump described as "narcoterrorists" affiliated with the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. But the survivors were "killed shortly after in a follow-up attack." Last Friday, a Washington Post story added new details: After the first strike, two men "clinging to the smoldering wreck" were "blown apart in the water" by a second missile.
The dispute about the follow-up strike centers on two issues. If Adm. Frank M. Bradley, who was in charge of the SEAL Team 6 operation, knowingly and deliberately killed the survivors, both his order and the execution of it could qualify as war crimes. According to the Defense Department's law-of-war manual, "orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal." And if, as the Post reported, Bradley acted in response to Hegseth's oral instruction to "kill everybody" on the boat, the operation arguably violated the rule against "declar[ing] that no quarter will be given" or "conduct[ing] hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors."
According to the Post, "commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed" and saw that "two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck." On the afternoon of September 2, Hegseth posted an edited 29-second clip of that footage on X, showing the initial missile strike. "I watched it live," he said during a Fox News interview the next day. "We knew exactly who was in that boat. We knew exactly what they were doing, and we knew exactly who they represented."
During Tuesday's Cabinet meeting, however, Hegseth said he saw only part of that live feed. "I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs," he said. "I moved on to my next meeting. A couple of hours later, I learned that the commander [Bradley] had made the [second strike], which he had the complete authority to do."
Bradley "made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat," Hegseth added. "It was the right call. We have his back."
That last statement is open to question. "I wouldn't have wanted that," Trump told reporters on Sunday. "Not a second strike." But Hegseth "said he did not order the death of those two men," Trump said, and "I believe him, 100 percent." According to the president, in other words, he would not have approved the second strike, and Hegseth had not done so either.
On Monday, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt reiterated that Hegseth issued no such order, then read a written statement that added: "President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have made it clear that presidentially designated narcoterrorist groups are subject to lethal targeting in accordance with the laws of war. With respect to the strikes in question on September 2, Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes. Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority and the law, directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated."
That framing, the Post reported, left Pentagon officials "concerned that the Trump administration intends to scapegoat" Bradley. "This is 'protect Pete' bullshit," one unnamed "military official" told the Post. Other Pentagon sources complained that Leavitt's statement left the responsibility for the second strike "up to interpretation" and worried that the administration was "throwing us, the service members, under the bus."
Not so, Pentagon spokeswoman Kingsley Wilson implied during a press briefing on Tuesday. "The secretary has been very clear in every statement that we've released about these strikes, that they are presidentially directed," she said. "The chain of command functions as it should. And we make sure that [the opinions of] commanders on the ground…are taken into account, and they are able to tell us and make decisions if they…see things that need to be flagged. But at the end of the day, the secretary and the president are the ones directing these strikes. And any follow-on strikes, like those which were directed by Admiral Bradley, the secretary 100 percent agrees with."
Wilson described the Post's reporting as "totally fabricated" and "insanely false," complaining that the newspaper used "anonymous sources" who "probably have no idea what's going on" to "falsely attribute a quote" to Hegseth that "he never said." She added that "The New York Times stepped in and corrected the record," making it clear that the Post's article was "absolutely fake news."
In the story to which Wilson referred, which was published on Monday, the Times cited five unnamed "U.S. officials" who said Hegseth "ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs" but "did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things." Those sources also said Hegseth's order "was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast."
Contrary to Wilson's spin, that report does not show the Post's article was "absolutely fake news." The Post's sources, which it described as "two people with direct knowledge of the operation," did not say Hegseth explicitly ordered the second strike or even claim he was aware that the first strike had left two survivors. They said he had told Bradley that no one should be left alive, which they said Bradley understood to require the second strike.
That account does not let Bradley (or his underlings) off the hook. "Members of the armed forces must refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit law of war violations," the Defense Department's manual notes, specifically citing "orders to fire upon the shipwrecked" as one example. But if Hegseth did in fact indicate that Bradley should "kill everybody" (which, contrary to Wilson's gloss, the Post presented as a paraphrase rather than a direct quote), he also bears responsibility for the consequences.
The House and Senate armed services committees, which launched investigations in response to the Post's report, presumably will delve into these issues. According to the Post, Trump administration officials previously told members of Congress that "the 'double-tap,' or follow-on strike, was intended to sink the boat and remove a navigation hazard to other vessels—not to kill survivors." Legislators may be newly skeptical of that explanation, especially given the justification that administration officials have offered more recently.
Although Trump initially said he "wouldn't have wanted" the second strike, the White House and the Pentagon are now saying there was nothing unlawful about it. According to Leavitt, the second strike aimed to "ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated." Wilson likewise said "the decision to restrike the narcoterrorist vessel was made by Admiral Bradley, operating under clear and longstanding authorities to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States was eliminated."
Leavitt and Wilson were not talking about "a navigation hazard to other vessels." They were talking about "the threat to the United States" posed by the transportation of illegal drugs. That threat, they maintain, requires firing on any given boat believed to be carrying drugs until it is completely destroyed and sunk—a practice that is pretty hard to distinguish from "conduct[ing] hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors."
That result is not merely incidental to the goal of interdicting drugs. Trump conflates drug smuggling with violent aggression, saying it amounts to "an armed attack against the United States" that justifies a lethal military response. He and Hegseth have repeatedly bragged about summarily executing suspected drug smugglers instead of intercepting and arresting them.
So far, that policy has killed 83 people in 21 attacks on vessels that posed no military threat. Contrary to Trump's assertion of an "armed conflict" with "narcoterrorists," this violence is notably one-sided, and it raises concerns that go far beyond the question of whether a particular attack went too far. The entire campaign goes too far because it trashes due process and obliterates the distinction between civilians and combatants. The question of exactly what Hegseth knew or said in this one case seems beside the point when the forces he commands are routinely committing murder in the guise of self-defense.
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"routinely committing murder" is subjective where legally committing murder is not.
Prima facie video evidence shows probable cause of routine murder in each of these boat attacks. A matter of criminal law is being handled as an act of war. Instead of searches, arrests, and charges, we have summary execution of capital punishment for what would be, even if proven, non-capital offenses. The burden of proof then shifts to the defense (in this case, Department of Defense) to establish why the attacks are lawful. If there is some "subjective" element here, the burden is on the defense to prove it.
This is false. Cite, reality.
I do love how you all are still going with the innocent fishermen angle even after AP had their families admitting to running drugs.
First, it doesn't matter what they were carrying. The allegations are irrelevant because there is no "war." Presidents cannot declare war, only Congress can. Thus, the rules of war do not apply here. And if they did apply, this is still a violation. Second, the boats that do carry drugs, and it's not all of them, they are carrying cocaine to offshore freighters headed to Europe, which has nothing to do with the US. Third, Venezuela does not produce and distribute fentanyl as Trump claims. They produce cocaine. Fourth, Trump is a demented buffoon.
TDS strikes again.
Again, you seem to be missing the actual relevant arguments. They aren't at war, correct. They are a declared FTO. They operate under different rules of engagement. Rules and laws passed over the last few decades.
The fact you dont even understand the basics of the discussion shows your own ignorance.
You even try the retarded talking point regarding production of fentanyl instead of just transport. Smugglers smuggle goods they dont produce dummy.
Here is what trump actually said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvrkS02_u4
And youre too retarded to look up the actual truth instead of repeating retarded leftist talking points.
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Why would evidence matter at this point? You are going to defend Team Trump no matter what. Even if they did commit literal war crimes.
There you are, Mr-TDS-totalitarian. Knew it was coming.
Hes had a lot more energy posting here since EBT was restored.
“Why would evidence matter at this point?”
Haha, Lying Jeffy just told on himself for the second time today.
If you strip my comment out of context and then use it in a dishonest attempt to smear me, then sure.
The context is you just admitted evidence doesn’t matter Lying Jeffy, lmao. Thanks!
Full context:
Why would evidence matter at this point? You are going to defend Team Trump no matter what. Even if they did commit literal war crimes.
Evidence doesn't matter to damikesc because he's going to defend Trump no matter what. When in context, that is plainly the meaning of what I am communicating.
But because you are a liar and weirdly obsessed with me, you will strip the context away in order to make it appear as if that I am claiming that evidence doesn't matter to me. Which is a false claim.
These MAGAtrash cultists can't be reasoned with. And yet we try. So who are the fools? lol
Nothing says reason like admitting evidence doesn’t matter.
Pushing leftist narratives isnt reason dumbfuck. Lol.
But TDS does NOT require evidence. It exists without a heartbeat or EEG.
First - There is NO DIFFERENCE between this and any other military action when war has not been declared.
Second - The fact that it keeps coming up is evidence of TDS and obvious author bias to be ignored (unless you are totalitarians like NARC or Chem Jackass).
Third - Who gives a shit? We know damn well what these ass-munchers are doing. Only an idiot calls them fishermen or innocent.
Find an actual, incremental Libertarian thing to worry about like deficit spending, social spending, infringements to the Bill of Rights against actual citizens (which blowing up criminals in drug boats is NOT), government overreach against CITIZENS.
You're right. There is zero libertarian concern about the government murdering innocent civilians who happen to be foreigners. After all, True Libertarians agree that only citizens have rights.
Maybe inventing several hypotheticals will clear things up?
JS;dr
VD;dr. VD (Venereal Disease) is some BAD shit! Go see the Dr. if you've got the VD!!! THAT is why I say VD;dr.!!!
(Some forms of VD also cause bona fide mental illness… THINK about shit! VD is NOTHING to "clap" about!)
The author's name has become a trigger for general contempt. Such a donkey!
Could be a lesson, IF... But his mouth and fingers work much better than his eyes and ears.
So now Pete didn't say the thing, but it doesn't matter because he did the thing, except that he didn't do the thing, someone else did the thing, but saying the thing was totally bad even though no one can corroborate anyone saying the thing, but it isn't about saying the thing, it is about doing the thing, the thing that may or may not be illegal, the second thing though, not the first thing?
Fog is right...
We will need to have Nuremberg trials or something to deal with MAGA crimes when real Americans take our country back.
Was boring when maddow said this too.
You have a really weird obsession with Maddow. You have a thing for old lesbians or something?
We need to start holding you traitors accountable. You have proven time and again you wont accept responsibility for all the problems you caused. “But der! Dat was da democrats!” Real Americans are fucking fed up.
Even your questions are boring. Can you stop being boring? Is this a Portland thing?
Seek help jacob.
See, presidential declarations transforms individuals into terrorists. And we all know terrorists don't deserve trials or juries, just summary execution. Therefore all the missile strikes are legit. Case closed.
This type of power could never ever ever be misused by some future president in an appalling way. Oh no no no.
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What is there to talk about?
From a libertarian perspective, Ashli Babbett was trespassing, and the officers were totally justified to shoot trespassers. Again from a libertarian perspective, the officers would have been justified in shooting every single trespasser. That would not have been wise or prudent, of course.
They were all trespassers trying to be where they weren't supposed to be.
Huh. I'm surprised you didn't throw in some quip about "bears in trunks" as well to your non-sequitur.
Is he just gonna right this same story every day? I mean what? It doesn't even matter if he's right or not. Point taken, let's move on.
But of course "moving on" is what one side of the political spectrum is desperately trying to avoid. Because this is the one story where they think maybe they can gain some yardage, and everything is gonna result in a tackle for a loss.
Isn't it just awful for a libertarian magazine to try to hold people in power accountable when they're Republicans?
No no, the primary goal here should be to do everything possible to cover up for Republican misdeeds in order to ally with them to destroy the Left. All of the war crimes and horrible behavior from Team Red should be dutifully ignored as long as there is a single leftist out there preaching Marxism.
JS;dr
Huh. Remember when there was so much concern here about Hunter Biden sitting on the board of Burisma, when he had no experience about anything that the company did, really just there to peddle influence on the company's behalf before his famous dad? So glad that Trump is now in charge, where things like that don't happen anymore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-administration-hands-multi-million-dollar-deal-to-trump-jr-company/ar-AA1RDGu3
Thank heavens we are finally rid of the Biden Crime Family, replaced with the True Patriotic Trump Hero Family! Plus, who knew that Don Jr. was such an astute scholar about magnets? He is such the Renaissance Man!