Can the Government Mandate a Vaccine for Your Own Good? This Federal Court Says Yes.
The 9th Circuit made a ruling this year that could allow far-ranging government interference with private health decisions.
Defending COVID-19 policies against legal challenges, government officials relied heavily on Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a 1905 case in which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a smallpox vaccine mandate imposed by the Cambridge Board of Health. But the breadth of the license granted by that decision is a matter of dispute, even as applied to superficially similar COVID-19 vaccination requirements.
Critics of those mandates argued that COVID-19 shots, unlike smallpox vaccination, do not prevent disease transmission, so requiring them amounts to paternalistic intervention rather than protection of the general public. Last summer in Health Freedom Fund v. Carvalho, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit dismissed that distinction as constitutionally irrelevant.
Rejecting a challenge to a 2021 COVID-19 vaccine mandate that the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) imposed on its employees, the majority held that the district "could have reasonably concluded that COVID-19 vaccines would protect the health and safety of its employees and students." The implications of the 9th Circuit's decision for the right to bodily integrity are alarmingly broad, since the court's logic would seem to bless all manner of medical mandates that the government views as beneficial to the patient, even if they have no effect on other people.
The plaintiffs in the 9th Circuit case, including LAUSD employees who were fired because they refused to comply with the vaccine requirement, argued that Jacobson did not authorize that policy. Their case featured dueling interpretations of Jacobson that reflected different understandings of "public health."
Is that rationale for government action limited to external threats such as disease carriers and air pollution, where someone's actions risk harming others, or does it extend to self-regarding decisions that do not impinge on other people's rights, such as lifestyle choices and consent to medical treatment? The 9th Circuit's ruling implicitly embraces the latter view, which invites far-ranging, open-ended interference with individual freedom.
In Jacobson, the Supreme Court weighed "the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best" against the government's interest in "preventing the spread of smallpox." The majority repeatedly referred to that danger and noted "the common belief," supported by "high medical authority," that vaccination was effective at addressing it. The Court rejected the premise that people may do as they like "regardless of the injury that may be done to others."
That concern about injury to others, the plaintiffs in the 9th Circuit case argued, did not apply in the context of COVID-19 vaccine mandates. While smallpox vaccination effectively curtailed the spread of disease, they said, COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission, although they may reduce symptom severity in people who receive them.
The LAUSD argued that COVID-19 vaccination does make transmission less likely, or at least that it was reasonable to think so when the mandate was adopted. But initial expectations, based on clinical trials, that the vaccines would effectively retard the spread of COVID-19 were contradicted by real-world experience, especially with emerging variants of the virus.
In 2024, a three-judge 9th Circuit panel deemed that point relevant. The majority noted that Jacobson "did not involve a claim in which the compelled vaccine was 'designed to reduce symptoms in the infected vaccine recipient rather than to prevent transmission and infection.'"
When an 11-judge panel reheard the case, however, the majority concluded that the LAUSD mandate's constitutionality depended on "what reasonable legislative and executive decisionmakers could have rationally concluded about whether a vaccine protects the public's health and safety, not whether a vaccine actually provides immunity to or prevents transmission of a disease." Since the plaintiffs conceded that COVID-19 vaccines "lessen the severity of symptoms for individuals who receive them," the court said, the policy easily passed muster.
The majority "suggests that Jacobson's reference to 'public health and public safety' is so capacious that merely 'lessen[ing] the severity of symptoms' is enough to justify a vaccine mandate," two dissenting judges complained. That logic, they warned, "comes perilously close to giving the government carte blanche to require a vaccine or even medical treatment against people's will so long as it asserts—even if incorrectly—that it would promote 'public health and safety.'"
The implications of the 9th Circuit's decision extend beyond coercive medical treatment. The court's expansive understanding of "public health and safety" obliterates the distinction between public and private, justifying forcible intervention whenever the government thinks it will protect recalcitrant individuals from disease or injury.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "An Alarmingly Broad View of 'Public Health'."
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If preventing mass death isn't a legitimate function of government, what is?
Sure it is! And pro-COVID-vaxes information is true and easily had.
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!!
I support the rights of employers to fire those who want to serve ass disease-bags, spreading suffering and death, by refusing vaccines and masks during an outbreak. MANY customers do SNOT want diseases, and their rights, ass well ass the rights of employers, should be respected!
But outright Government Almighty FORCE here should remain out of bounds! For one thing, it feeds entirely too much ammo to the death-and-disease-worshitting Tribalist Troglodyte crowds!!!
Find some new copypasta, Melvin.
The government is in the business of causing mass deaths, via war.
That site at Univ of Hawaii quantified the number of civilian deaths that governments caused in the 20th Century. They came up with about 260,000,000 deaths.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/welcome.html
Government has caused more death via "peaceful" programs by factors. War doesn't even compete. Forced vaccination would fall into the "peaceful" programs category. Pushing the Covid vax and boosters has caused more death then many wars.
The legitimate function of government is to secretly fund Fauci’s illegal gain of function research where sloppy lab protocol would result in a global, worldwide, across-the-planet pandemic of mass destruction and biblical proportion. Speaking hypothetically, of course.
Forcing the citizens to wear face diapers and prohibiting the right to assembly (unless it is a terror organization engaging in a mostly peaceful deadly riot) are also a legitimate gain of function of government. Except the more equal members or government like Pelosi (D), Fauci, and some blue city mayors holding speakeasyesque birthday parties.
That’s not its job
Shouldn't there be something that threatens mass death before we lock down the entire planet?
If taking any and all liberty in the name of safety is a legitimate function of government, then what isn't?
Retard.
Banning cars would do the same.
Just sayin'.
Fuck off slaver.
"If preventing mass death isn't a legitimate function of government, what is?"
Hint for you, shitstain: Everybody dies. Everybody. Neither the government nor anyone else can prevent mass death.
If you want to know what the federal government’s duties are, try reading the constitution for once in your leftist life.
Providing national defense, basic law and order and a court system to peacefully resolve disputes are the legitimate functions of government.
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I'll have to read the decision to see how heavily the 9th Circus cited Buck v. Bell. Probably a lot of ctrl+c ctrl+v going on.
Ninth circuit? Wake me up after the supreme court rules.
"COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission, although they may reduce symptom severity in people who receive them."
More like
COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission, although they may reduce symptom severity in people who survive them.
9th Circuit = Worst Circuit
How exactly do they prove their job reduces symptoms more than my COVID weakening rock?
I'm hardly a MRNA vaccine booster, but pretty much everyone has survived them. This kind of hyperbole is not helpful in promoting reasonable skepticism of the wisdom of promoting the widespread use of the so-called vaccines.
No, the government may not force a vaccination even for the good of others, let alone for your own good. If you can equivocate about that, you're not a libertarian of any sort.
Have you heard the bear in trunk analogy?
If people would just voluntarily do what they’re told, the government wouldn’t have to step in and force them to do what’s best for their fellow citizens!
#radical_individualism
According to one lefty pile of shit, at least.
Wasn’t that postulated by some morbidly obese Marxist pedophile?
As usual the vaccine illiterate rise to the occasion. And Jacob Sullum seems to bring them to the surface. Not a lawyer by training but an immunologist, I was taken with the second paragraph. "Critics of those mandates argued that COVID-19 shots, unlike smallpox vaccination, do not prevent disease transmission, so requiring them amounts to paternalistic intervention rather than protection of the general public."
In both disease cases this represents a misreading of what a vaccine does. Vaccines do not prevent transmission, but rather break the chain of transmission. This is an important difference. No vaccine given to an infected person will prevent that person from infecting another. But an efficacious vaccine given to an uninfected person will prevent infection and thus prevent transmission. Smallpox vaccine, as the example goes, does this very well, preventing even minor infection of a person on exposure to virus. The robust efficacy is why smallpox was literally extinguished in the human population. Same goes for polio, measles, rubella, chickenpox etc.
For some vaccines the efficacy is not as striking. Influenza, COVID etc produce a less predictable response. Some people will be protected completely from infection others not. There are a lot reasons for this but the bottom line is that the response is not immediately predictable for any particular person. On a population level, however, overall infections decrease and so does transmission. Disease severity, morbidity and mortality also decrease. All of these are a demonstrable public health benefit. From the governments point of view, protecting the general welfare is appropriate and therefore a vaccine mandate is warranted.
Beyond vaccines other public health mandates may be instituted specifically quarantine. Effectively the government makes the rule that you as an infected person must limit or eliminate your interactions with other people. Prior to vaccines, segregating the sick from the healthy was a bedrock principle of public health. Shock and horror to the libertarian impulse but as mentioned in Jacobson, that Court rejected the premise that people may do as they like "regardless of the injury that may be done to others." From a biologists point of view the 9th circuits decision is logical as was Jacobson.
What are you doing here?
The wuflu jab is not a vaccine. The nih had to legally change the definition of vaccine to have it qualified. If you are actually a scientist (which I doubt) the saying is
"The best scientists are the ones that have to change the definitions of words in order to be technically correct"
As for polio look at the rates of polio. It was declining befor the polio vax, and continued at the same pace.
So you're an idiot, got it. Sorry but a "vaccine" that does not prevent transmission doesn't break the chain of transmission and nobody thinks getting vaccinated while infected is useful so no clue why you bring it up beyond deflection and obfuscation. If you think a compelled placebo is justified then you're just a totalitarian who doesn't believe in freedom and autonomy.
"...that does not prevent transmission..." It "merely" massively REDUCES transmission!!!
Did you know that food can cause food poisoning and DEATH? Also, that food has SNOT eliminated starvation?
The REALLY smart people will STOP eating!!!
DOCTOR JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer and other anti-vaxxers are VERY wise, and have noticed that all food-eaters eventually die, or that a YUUUUGE percentage of them, 100%, sadly, eventually die, at probability of "1", certainty, FOR SURE! But the really important things to notice is that '1) ALL FOOD-EATERS EVENTUALLY DIE! Also '2) Some Breatharians, who do NOT eat, are still alive. Armed with this (Posterior Probability (P(belief | data)) = Prior Probability (P(belief) × Likelihood (data | belief)) / Likelihood (data | belief) according to https://towardsdatascience.com/understand-bayes-rule-likelihood-prior-and-posterior-34eae0f378c5/ ) "a posteriori" knowledge, that all non-Breatharians (food eaters) eventually die, the probability of successful food-eating is flat-out ZERO!!!!
A priori, there are many-many "Breatharians" who do NOT eat (and are still alive), and the probability of them dying or not, is not precisely or infallibly known. Even All-Knowing God-like beings like DOCTOR JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer doesn't know (But good luck getting him to EVER admit to THAT!) for sure, if-when they will die. For "Breatharians", see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia .
So Thomas Bayes and DOCTOR JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer are Infinitely Wise, and we should ALL STOP EATING!!! This applies Double-Plus Good to Trump, MAGA Maggots, Trumpaloos, anti-vaxxers, and DOCTOR JesseBahnFarter-Fuhrer.
Yawn, Melvin.
"...From the governments point of view..."
"...From a biologists point of view..."
Now, from someone being subjected to the "points of view" of all these know-it-alls, and having noticed the ultra-precise timing of the "accidental" Wuhan release, the serial "coincidences" of Globalist interests in censoring dissenting opinions, the power grab by the WHO, dominance of the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex, the alliance of NGOs and a "Deep State" desperate to stay in control of the government of the United States, the collapse of Western democracy in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, and the zeal with which they pour division among us to this day, I cannot fathom ever enabling the "government" to provide any "demonstrable public health benefit" under any circumstances whatsoever.
Well, certainly not without a 90% purge of congress, a mandatory restating of every government official's oath of office under penalty of imprisonment or death, guaranteed election integrity via voter ID and paper ballots, and 100% transparency within the "new" government for every single move they make. They should be on camera 24/7, ESPECIALLY when meeting behind closed doors. Why not - they expect us to put up with it.
In other words, nope. No. Nyet. Nada. Nein...
But an efficacious vaccine given to an uninfected person will prevent infection and thus prevent transmission.
Um, where were you when the definition of 'vaccine' was being turned into silly putty?
The latest 'real science' definition of a vaccine:
The COVID-19 vaccine does not stop a person from contracting SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. However, it can strengthen immunity against the virus and help prevent serious illness, hospitalization, and death. It also helps reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
This seems to directly contradict your message. Now, I'm no immunologist (or Lawyer) but I don't have to be to have a pretty good command of the English language. You suggest the vaccine will "prevent" infection, the smart people who Trust The Science tell me (repeatedly) that the COVID vaccine "does not stop" infection which I will take to be a facsimile of "does not prevent" infection.
Additionally, according to those who Trust The Science, it doesn't even keep you from getting sick or suffering from the disease against which the person was vaccinated, but reduces the severity of the disease, or as I used to say in the comments between late 2020 and 2024, "shaves the sharp corners" off COVID-19. Also, the contention about "breaking the chain" (as you put it) seems to indicate that the "chain isn't broken" but merely slightly weakened. While I'm not going to rehash this here in the comments today (because I and others like me won the debate on this and everyone who screamed 'Trust The Scienctism" for 4 years has been mostly humbled)) but my general understanding is that it 'slows transmission' in the vaccinated but infected AND suffering person because since the symptoms aren't QUITE as bad as they normally would be, the disease has a shorter lifespan, and the suffering person doesn't cough and sneeze as much in the presence of others, thus creating a kind of second-order effect of 'reducing transmission'. Ie, infected unvaccinated person coughed 5x in every 10 minute period where the infected vaccinated person only coughed 3.5x in every 10 minute period.
Plus there were other studies which no-shit said things like "vaccinated people are more likely to self-isolate and wear three cloth masks and a plastic face shield because they're more obedient etc. etc." thus reducing transmision.
The robust efficacy is why smallpox was literally extinguished in the human population. Same goes for polio, measles, rubella, chickenpox etc.
Right. My daughter caught polio the other day, but since she was vaccinated she didn't suffer any serious illness, hospitalization, and death. It also helped reduce the spread of polio.
Shock and horror to the libertarian impulse but as mentioned in Jacobson, that Court rejected the premise that people may do as they like "regardless of the injury that may be done to others." From a biologists point of view the 9th circuits decision is logical as was Jacobson.
Whose precedent was Buck V Bell. Three generations of Imbeciles indeed.
Not gonna read that.
Figure out paragraphs.
Paragraphs are patriarchal oppression.
Speaking of bullshit retards calling themselves immunologists... Lancet has been busy retracting all those studies you and your ilk pushed against overreacting and hcq.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(25)00297-2/fulltext
Need me to link to multiple well known immunologists admitting their models are junk science and immunologists basically act as chicken little in regards to pandemics?
Its funny how you attempted a logical fallacy by citing your "profession" (a common tactic by the retard left) instead of citing actual data.
This sentence outs you as a retard authoritarian though.
Beyond vaccines other public health mandates may be instituted specifically quarantine. Effectively the government makes the rule that you as an infected person must limit or eliminate your interactions with other people.
He should change his name to WindyCityImmunologist.
I appreciate that these authoritarian assholes keep arguing that quarantine is legitimate while ignoring the tiny detail that quarantines are to keep sick people away from healthy people, not the entire population away from each other (at least until there is a worthwhile social justice cause to match for).
This is what's wrong with "the science is settled" line of thinking. No vaccine prevents infection because the reality is that it can't. Why? It can't leave your body and fight off the disease from there. No, it has to wait until the disease enters your body, hence infecting it, before it can do anything at all. The vaccine is little more than a biological "wanted! dead not alive" poster, like a police bolo it depends on the efficacy of the poster and the body's recognition and fighting abilities. Make no mistake, you'll get infected, the question is one of how long and does it become transmissible. That always depends on the person no matter how good the vaccine is.
Besides, we knew it wasn't going to be that good because it's just a flu variant. Yes, that's really what it is because I haven't seen anyone see a panel of TEM images and correctly pick out covid from the round forms of other flu viruses like H5N1 bird flu, or H1N1 swine flu, or even H3N1 ammonia flu.
As usual the self-appointed piles of lying lefty shit rise to the occasion.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
"No vaccine given to an infected person will prevent that person from infecting another. But an efficacious vaccine given to an uninfected person will prevent infection and thus prevent transmission."
No one disputes the former. In the case of the COVID RNA "vaccines", the latter assertion that they have efficacy to prevent infection is definitely under dispute, as well as what benefits might be imparted are worth the risks of harmful side effects (especially for younger people, who are at less risk of COVID infection).
As it was complete unknown if the Covid vaccine would do as it was expected and touted, the proof of efficacy is absolutely necessary.
You can't go around saying, we think this will help public health but have to jab everyone before we can confirm or deny this.
Fuck off with this bullshit.
The problem is that the court seems to think that it doesn't *matter* whether it reduces transmission; even if it *only* reduced symptoms that seems like it would be enough for the court. From the decision:
We're getting out of "for the sake of everyone" territory and into "we know what's best for you personally" territory. By this logic the government could put you on a diet since being obese worsens the symptoms, and who know when you might catch Covid?
How do we get this article in 2025 when the commenters were posting comments in 2020 and 2021 about the precedent with Jacobson V Massachusetts and Buck V Bell.
We're not credentialed experts so we don't count.
Libertarian Reason does not actually trust normal people - that would be populism.
Hahahahahahaha.
Real libertarianism isnt stopping the left and their power grabs, it is about waiting 5 years and then writing an article pretending you didnt tacitly support the dems.
The claim to authoritarian power in order to protect us from ourselves is the core value of nanny state progressives. And also the favorite fig leaf for Marxists.
And these relate to the concept of the feminization of society, prioritizing feelings, including security, and collective behavior over liberty and law. See the essays by Helen Andrews, J. Stone, Noah Carl, and Cory Clark.
Butt WHO is going to protect us against the EVILS of death-loving Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One, who keep on telling people to commit suicide, Oh PervFected Necrophiliac and Evil-One-Worshitter?
Certainly not you, Melvin.
SOME of us are benevolent enough to at least CALL the Evil-One-Worshitters on exactly WHO and twat the are, which is EVIL!!!
(And assholes chip in to side with the Evil-One-Worshitters!!! Turds of a feather, fuck together!)
Poor broken boomer.
Go get yourself some help, Melvin.
Twat, help in combating the EVIL pro-suicide, pro-death-and-Satan crowd? Well, THAT help is sure ass shit SNOT coming from YOU or from Scumby!!!
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Lol. You nailed it.
I have the inalienable right to defend myself and my family from vaccine mandates - including through the use of force. Just to be perfectly clear.
This is dumb. Why do you write articles like this Jacob?
You may as well write, "Child says he's going to have candy for dinner." What's the point? In relatively short order, the article is just going to have to be changed to, "Parents say Child is going to have spaghetti for dinner."
You're probably the kind of person who cheers at a touchdown when numerous flags are already on the ground. Or, at least you would if you were straight. I don't have a metaphor for the women's basketball you watch instead.
You're probably the kind of person who cheers at CAPITALLY PUNISHING people for "stealing" a cup of pond water to prevent themselves from thirsting to death!!!
Whatever, Melvin.
Melvin of the Melvin Mobile is as broken as sarc.
Is it their own pond water, or is it someone else's?
Does the punishment fit the crime? Are there EVER categories of BAD things which should SNOT be crimes, in AT's so-called "mind"? Bad haircuts, divorce, sloppy housekeeping, infrequent bathing; Should they ALL be crimes?
Or is ALL punishment (of ANYONE other than AT) just WONDERFUL, especially if AT gets to see the video?
PS, I am breathing "Your" air, or "public" air... STEALING IT!!! Twat shall be my punishment?
So, you want to outlaw life?
They were applying binding precedent.
Of course, Jacobson was reinforced by Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927) and Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, 597 U.S. 215 (2022).
I doubt that there are not even a single vote to overrule Jacobson.
Interesting but predictable: "Dobbs" precedent-ed.
...because Alito has "moral standards" (right from the ruling) he'd like to 'Gun' enforce.
"The 9th Circuit dismissed that distinction as constitutionally irrelevant"
As usual. F'En [D]emon-rat [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s].
Since the plaintiffs conceded that COVID-19 vaccines "lessen the severity of symptoms for individuals who receive them..."
When it comes to COVID, everyone's an idiot.
I am doubtful it was ever proven, can it even be proven, that the vaccine reduced the severity.
People that had the levels of comorbidity making them weak died whether vaccinated or not.
Let me just say, I do NOT think that the government should be mandating vaccines. However, if the government, via the courts, is granted this power, then there should be ZERO immunity given to those companies who produce the vaccine that's being forced.
Americans harmed by vaccines should be able to sue the companies that produce the vaccines that harmed them and not have to sign up for some government sponsored program that provides very little in the way of damages.
If these vaccine companies were to be sued for millions and/or billions because there was no immunity status, I bet the government would make vaccines mandatory.
Jacob, what is the most overturned federal court circuit?
It just might have a bearing on this topic.
Perhaps the 9th circuit can gamble with their health and leave our personal health decisions to ourselves.
There are NO peaceful solutions.
Orwell's vision will be our reality if violence does not correct the wrong:
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.”
If humans choose not to bring down the Mystery Babylon System, horrors beyond your comprehension will be our reality, until the promises of the Bible, of Christ returning to set all things right, BY FORCE, happen.