Is Trump a Socialist?
Donald Trump’s new stock-buying strategy isn’t socialism, but it is a step toward a government-controlled economy.
Recently, a handful of people—none of whom have ever invited me to their birthday party—accused President Donald Trump of being a socialist. Gavin Newsom, who many pundits credibly believe is the governor of California, said Trump is committing socialism by having the federal government buy stock in private companies.
At the time of writing, the government has taken shares in Intel, MP Materials, Lithium Americas, U.S. Steel, and even a Canadian mining company that mines cobalt or some other stupid mineral I hate. This raises the question:
Is Trump, as Newsom contends, a full-blown socialist? Or is he just an asymptomatic carrier of socialism, like I am with tuberculosis?
Let's nail down what we're talking about.
In socialism, the government owns the means of production. Instead of private companies making goods to satisfy customers and turn a profit, the state produces things to hit output quotas. That's a lot easier to do if you cut quality. The Soviet Union literally made televisions so poorly that they sometimes exploded. Not a great incentive structure for generating stuff, even if an exploding television is still an improvement over The View.
A softer version exists in countries with national health care systems like the U.K., where doctors and nurses are government employees and hospitals are mostly run by the state. If you're talking about nationalizing an industry that provides goods or services—that's socialism.
By contrast, corporatism or state capitalism—or if you want to be edgy, fascism—is when private companies technically own the means of production, but the government controls the decisions. You own the shoe factory, but some bureaucrat in the capital issues diktats on what kind of shoes to make, how many, and so forth. You own the deed to the factory and you keep the profits from the factory, but the economy itself is managed from the top down by the central government.
Think China. It used to be socialist under Chairman Mao Zedong. After starving umpteen million people, it switched over to state capitalism. Today, some of China's biggest companies are for-profit enterprises: the China Construction Bank, China Mobile, and Air China. They are technically not government agencies, but the government is a massive shareholder and steers corporate decisions.
Capitalism is when the private sector owns and controls the means of production, earns profits or losses, and the government mainly acts as a referee—enforcing contracts, preventing fraud, and stopping people from dumping toxic waste or tuberculosis into rivers. The government doesn't manage the economy or tell businesses how to operate.
You own the shoe factory, you decide what shoes, boots, or stilettos you will make, as well as how many and how high those stilettos are. You build products based on customer demand, or you will go out of business.
There are a bunch of other economic systems, but we don't have time to get into them. Somewhere in between, you find social democracies like Sweden or Denmark, where the government levies taxes and redistributes them as welfare and social programs. And then there is crony capitalism, where powerful companies get favors and subsidies because everyone plays golf together.
Which brings us back to Trump.
In the last few months, the Trump administration has negotiated deals that give the federal government significant ownership stakes in private firms. The federal government now owns about 10 percent of Intel. It's a passive share, not a controlling stake. No one from Washington is voting on the board of directors or deciding which kind of computer stilettos Intel can manufacture. Similarly, the Defense Department invested $400 million in MP Materials in exchange for convertible stock.
Odd, but not unheard of. Many public pension funds do the same.
The more unusual example is the sale of U.S. Steel to Japan's Nippon Steel. The federal government demanded a "golden share," giving it extraordinary influence, including a seat on the board of directors and veto power over major decisions like shutting down plants, relocating headquarters, or changing the name of the company to something more cool, like Robot Flesh LTD. This isn't socialism. But it's a flavor of authoritarian economics.
What emerges looks much closer to corporatism: an economy where the government becomes a direct player in business decisions rather than a neutral referee.
And that is a big problem. When federal bureaucrats have a direct leadership role in the corporate governance of a private company, they will steer that company toward political decisions rather than business decisions. Will it award contracts based on efficiency and cost, or based on which choice preserves government revenue? Will companies be allowed to fail if the government owns them? Probably not.
Even passive ownership can change incentives: businesses take fewer risks, innovate less, and focus more on political approval than customer satisfaction. That's how economies drift toward top-down control and away from free enterprise.
So is Donald Trump a socialist? No. I don't think he is. His logic seems to be: "Instead of giving money to big companies for free, we should be getting the most out of the deal, so let's have some stock and dividends." But the effect of these acquisitions is that America is inching toward an economy in which the government doesn't play referee; it's a player on the field. And the government is a really, really stupid player.
The real question isn't whether we're technically socialists like Venezuela or state capitalists like China. It's whether we want a free-enterprise system or an authoritarian system with government-guided boardrooms.
Markets work when the government referees. They stagnate when the government becomes a player.
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JFC. Lol.
Reason must have new marching orders from Koch.
Maybe they accidentally ordered a warehouse full of Dunkers for the merch shop and now is trying to convert the readership into more willing recipients.
dude. no.
Socialism is being promoted by both major parties and well on the way. Buckle up.
State ownership of companies, check. Signing the 5 Care Acts, check. Ending the sequestration, check. Taxing by EO, check.
So, yes minus the faggoty language.
Nope. Trump is merely using every tool at his disposal to try and save the country from the Democrats. Obviously things are much harder because of them. They’ve made Congress completely useless.
I'm not sure how that demonstrates that it isn't socialism. Some of the tools at his disposal might rightly be called socialist, or at least state-capitalist. The fact that he's been handed those powers does not make them not-socialist. Now that doesn't exactly say whether or not he, personally, is a socialist. But that seems like splitting hairs. I don't really care what his innermost beliefs are unless they are reflected in policy.
lol, you think Trump has a well developed set of beliefs!! Trump believed Obama was born in Kenya and Cruz’ father was buddies with Lee Harvey Oswald!! Trump is a moron!! But what’s so hilarious is Trump is a moron and so are many of his advisers and yet the Trump administration is so much better than the “best and brightest” of the Bush/Cheney administration!?!
Regardless of where Barry was born according to the platitudes surrounding his birth, he was given international student loans to attend college. Citizens are not entitled to these...
Trump’s American roots are the shallowest of any president in history…and other than Tiffany his children have even shallower American roots than him.
Obama was almost certainly guilty of fraud. At a minimum. This is why his college records are all sealed.
He had to cover his tracks.
It isn't socialism. Is giving a loan socialism? These were bot voting stocks in minority shares. There isnt a control mechanism. Its no different than PPP loans or other non equity actions. And far preferable to just throwing gold bars off the titanic. But ultimately there is no control mechanism.
Amazes me how much more that singular action got (and it wasn't even unprecedented) compared to regulatory controls under Biden which had far more control mechanisms in place.
You may notice I didn't make any declaration on whether that in particular is socialism or not. And I'm not going to now either. My comment was mostly just response to the bad argument made in the original comment.
I don't think you will argue against the proposition that we already have a semi-socialist/mixed system in this country. Anyone using all the tools available to the president is going to be a little bit socialist, at least.
I think the PPP loans and most of the rest of the Cares Acts that Trump negotiated, championed and signed were socialism. The entire point was to send money to the states so they could shutdown and/or control wide swaths of the US economy. I also think it was equivalent of throwing gold bars off the titanic. Are you suggesting that the US government and mosts states responses to covid was a good use of resources?
Those were shoved down his throat by veto proof majorities of democrats and RINO’s. Had he attempted to veto that spending, you would have been here excoriating him for being a big meanie.
No they weren't shoved down his throat. Your gaslighting yourself if you think otherwise. He stated multiple times how great they were and attacked Thomas Massie for his role in trying to stop the Cares Act.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-signing-h-r-748-cares-act/
Uh huh. Veto proof majorities. You can spin this any way you want, but I am 100% correct.
You just hate Trump no matter what.
The Biden admin fascism aligned with global fascism is far more destructive and frankly evil due to the big lie that fossil fuels are destroying the earth and EV with solar panel and windmill mandates will save us from ourselves, the evil polluters who will cause the oceans to boil for living our daily lives while the oligarchs led by Gore and Kerry commit atrocities destroying vital rain forests, jungles and old growth forests for power and profit.
Good luck fearing a 10% non controlling stake in a chip manufacturer or having a guarantee your steel industry won't disappear so you can go to war if necessary...
I don't know what any of that has to do with my comment. If you think we need a government stake in a steel company for national security, make that argument. But don't pretend it's not at least socialist adjacent when government acquires a significant stake in a company. And even if it's non-voting shares, don't pretend that it doesn't give government more influence over the company. They got Google and Twitter to adapt their policies and all to censor all kinds of stuff without even having a stake in the companies.
Nothing. It has nothing to do with your comment. You argue in good faith and try to make principled points. Some of us appreciate that. Doesn't make you right, but I'll take loyalty to principles over loyalty to party (or a single politician) any day.
I agree Biden was far more socialist then Trump and unmitigated disaster. I said so many a time during his admin but he is no longer in office. Trump is in office and will now get my ire direct towards him when he pursues anti free market policies. I can't help but think what the next Biden type will do with the expanded powers and precedents Trump has carved out when the democrats inevitably return to the oval office.
He’s not creating a socialist system, as a democrat would. He’s using what’s available to him. Big difference than Obama or Biden. Who were both trying to create more socialist government mechanisms, and were also lawless.
We have to abandon the free market to save the free market? No thanks, I'm more of a tea partier who hated on Bush for that sentiment.
Ideally, we would get rid of the democrats to save the free market. Then a lot of this wouldn’t be necessary.
there's that fag talk
Yep. Democrats are huge fags.
Awesome, dude! Yeah, total fags! So what are Republicans?
Mostly awesome. Too bad you’ve consigned yourself to the fag side. But you are The Retarded Dude Who’s Dumber Than All.
But what are you doing here? I thought you would be out celebrating the election of Marxist Mamdani.
He couldn't get a flight to NYC because of the dem shutdown - - - - - - -
I’m sure his San Francisco barrio has multiple watch parties. As does Tony’s local bathhouse. Funny how these fags don’t get that Mamdani, although very faggoty himself, will ultimately make life very painful for the same sex anally inclined.
Ownership stake ≠ Ownership
If you own one share, out of hundreds of thousands of shares, of stock in a company, then you have a stake in it but you do not own it.
Golden share gives the USA controlling interest over US Steel. Nippon can't move US Steel operations to a right to work state and decert the union. You want to debate wether its communism or fascist or any other form, be my guest but it is socialism. A golden share is far more different then common stock.
Also private parties owning stocks is one thing. The US government is not that. If a competing private mine is getting regulatory scrutiny to the letter and the public one the US government now has an position in isn't - who do they go to relief too, the US government. State ownership whether one share or all is wrong.
What about if you use government action to own, not "one share, out of hundreds of thousands of shares," but 20% of all shares of stock in a company?
As I noted elsewhere...
Trump is a Mercantilist.
Most apt.
Very true.
That's a pretty good name for it. Maybe even qualifies as not just name-calling.
Definitely a more rational approach than calling him a socialist, but mercantilist has also long been a term of abuse to designate anything that opponents to a policy felt wasn't a pure enough in supporting a laissez-faire or free trade approach, regardless of the practical differences between what mercantilism was historically and the policies under discussion.
"The real question isn't whether we're technically socialists like Venezuela or state capitalists like China. It's whether we want a free-enterprise system or an authoritarian system with government-guided boardrooms."
While it took you a very long time to get there, this is indeed the real question. If you asked Americans this question, most of them would look at you with vaguely hung-over eyes and respond, "Say what?"
And then they'd ask, "When are you refilling my fucking SNAP card?"
Will companies be allowed to fail
Large corporations have not been allowed to fail without permission for decades.
Ive made a lot of money on that basic fact in buying against stocks. BP Oil, American Airlines, etc. I hate it, but im going to leverage the fact for what I can get.
GM stole and paid handsomely to those "onboard"
More ariticles like this, please. There were some very funny lines. Thank you.
Definitely.
Yup. My favorite involves the terms of the sale of U.S. Steel to Japan's Nippon Steel giving the U.S government extraordinary influence over major decisions like "...changing the name of the company to something more cool, like Robot Flesh LTD."
Andrew Heaton brings up several varieties of national economic systems: Democratic Socialism; Capitalism; State Capitalism; Crony Capitalism. But while emphasizing his primary contrast is between socialism and state capitalism, he observes an edgier term for the latter is fascism.
And, of course, a specific example with a longer history for that isn't capitalism, but National Socialism. So, this is really Sanders/Mandami-style Democratic Socialism versus Trump-style National Socialism.
The author's closing summarizes his concerns:
Given that, I'm surprised that among his many examples of Trump Administration's unique strain of National Socialism (blending in as it does, a substantial portion of crony capitalism and 19th century Mercantilism), he missed the most recent and most obvious example: Westinghouse.
In a couple columns over the last week, Jonathon Last of The Bulwark described that well (and added a more comprehensive list of similar acts). Here's an excerpt (w/lots of links to original sources if you're interested):
Your examples show an utter ignorance. For example "choosing not to enforced the TikTok ban." This was literally a proposition written into the law. Then your law firm cite. He removed law firms who were abusing their clearances for political reasons. He agreed that if they stopped and did neutral work he wouldn't. He is the ultimate arbiter of clearances under Egan v Navy. Half of your complaints are that he executed powers granted to him.
But youre a bulwark reader. So not shocked.
Also, standard modern retard fashion, if you have a pile of goods and I pay you for a share of them and you hand them to me, I'm only "literally seizing" them if I actually physically grab the goods. If we're talking about abstract transfer of ownership, as we would with stocks and other contracts and bonds and non-physical assets, I, literally, have not seized anything.
The idea that Trump seized a bitcoin reserve/digital asset stockpile fundamentally bankrupts the very idea of a/the cryptocurrency/digital asset.
All I ever read here about Trump is ‘Trump is a big meanie’ or that whatever he’s doing that might be good he is doing it the wrong way.
Reason wants him to do nothing, then blame him for that.
So why is it so hard for people to just say, out loud, what is obvious: Donald Trump is a socialist who is trying to make the American economy function more like Communist China?
People in these comments have been saying that we are losing economically to China because their government controls their economy. The obvious implication is that our government doesn't control our economy enough. Chinese companies win because their government subsidizes and has ownership in them. The obvious implication is that our government doesn't subsidize companies enough and doesn't have ownership in them.
His defenders stop short of saying that Trump needs to subsidize and take ownership of companies. But that's what his defenders want. They attack anyone who is critical of tariffs, subsidies, and taking ownership in corporations. They hate anyone who criticizes that.
And these are the same people who celebrate scapegoats being kidnapped and treated like animals.
They're begging for fascism.
They traded in their brown shirts for red hats.
You democrats are begging to be exterminated. Don’t worry, at the rate you’re going you will soon get what you want.
How many nations would chicken out of communism or socialism in favor of capitalism if the USA decided to adopt it full-scale?
Donald Trump’s new stock-buying strategy isn’t socialism,
No shit? Does sarc, stg, boehm, sullum know?
You mean words have meaning?
I know reason seemingly prefers not equity cash grants from taxpayers to fund the loans and giveaways.
Id prefer no fed money. But some stake is preferable to just giving taxpayer money away.
Tu quoque! Tu quoque!
- Drunkles
It makes sense that activity that is vital to national security will have necessary levels of federal involvement. Since it’s a constitutional duty. Nuclear power reactors are on that list. For a number of reasons.
Takes one, to know one
- Gavin Newsome (probably)
Trump is not a socialist. Telling companies what to do while sending masked federal agents across the nation to kidnap scapegoats is not socialism. Nope. Not socialism. There's another word for what he is doing. It ends with "ism", but starts with something different. Do ray me fah so la tee do. It's begins with something like one of those.
Simmer down retard.
His brand! Brandism, Trumpism ... Like he runs it or will gladly run it for them or something.
don't know if Trump is a socialist, but MAGA turds are definitely cucks, assuming they had a woman, which many of them don't.
We have most of the hot chicks. Like Sydney Sweeney. You’ve got Greta Thunberg. Not that it matters, so me most of you are into other guys, or small children.
Now fuck off, adults are talking.
socialist?? no. totalitarian?? hell yes. crony capitalist?? of course - that's what he's been doing to make money for 5 decades in NYC and other places. corporatist?? sure, when he can see a personal enrichment angle. socialism is far too outside his comfort zone, which is ALL about him.
Cool story fag. Got any more democrat fan fiction for us?
Go get 'em!!
Not at the Mamdani election celebration parties? I figured you’d be wt to the knees over that little Islamist red diaper baby getting elected.
"jagjr"
Amazing how slimy piles of lying TDS-addled shits jump in with socks. Fuck off and die, shitstain, whichever asswipe you're faking for.
Is Trump a Socialist?
Duh. Since Trump is a NAZI, it's right there on his membership card.
Right?
I'm pulling hammys trying to keep up.
Trump is a fascist!
Lol Trump is a socialist!
Your metaphorical muscle strain's factual equivalent is an intellectual discomfort called Cognitive Dissonance, resulting from the need to hold two contradictory ideas or positions at the same time. Its primary diagnostic evidence is your constantly demonstrated compulsion to create so many arguments opposing things you would likely support if not for the source and who benefits.
My decade-long observation is that Trump superfans like you are terrified of being wrong. I suspect most of you are only now, slowly, starting to understand that years ago, you made a terrible mistake in selling your soul to MAGAism and, ever since, you've been nothing more that suckers taken for a ride by Trump and his con-artist minions. The result is your "pulled hammys" cognitive dissonance reaching cacophonous, throat-constricting levels.
If I may help ease your fascist!/socialist! dissonance, what Trump wants to be, is Dear Leader (DL) of a nation practicing a more personally authoritarian version of China-style state capitalism. Getting back to the topic of the article, the OP notes an edgier term for that is fascism, and thus what I earlier mentioned is Trump's unique flavor of authoritarian, DL-led, National Socialism blending fascism and socialism in a It's a dessert topping! It's a floor polish! sort of way.
Does that work for you? Always glad to be of assistance.
"...My decade-long observation is that Trump superfans like you..."
My much longer observation of TDS-addled lying slimy piles of shit like you suggest you stuff your TDS up your ass, since your head has been there for quite a while and is hoping for some company.
And then you could make your family proud, your dog happy and fuck off and die, asswipe.
Honest wording would be more like...
Trump is one of the LEAST socialist in D.C.
But that certainly doesn't cover for his BS socialist measures/policy.
The USA should pride itself on having ZERO tolerance for socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States
Not have a 2-page list of company ownership.
Which is precisely where the USA has lost it's way.
The DETERMINING FACTOR is:
Anything MANADATED by THE STATE is FASCIST!!!!!
State mandated socialism is a contradiction in terms
It is State-mandated FASCISM which complies also with my first statement
SO, if mandating socialism is not real, then socialism is social ownership ONLY !!!!!!!
PEOPLE ownership over STATE ownership
Whether that is individual ownership only OR includes social ownership also is irrelevant
The opposition by @reason to REAL SOCIALSM is anti-libertarian !!!
Are you having a stroke?
There is an equation to determine insanity. It involves the percentage of words in a screed that are unnecessarily capitalized or misspelled in "clever" ways. I call it the SRLSY Princple.
This guy definitely passed the threshold.
His comment conjures up the imagery of him scrawling this on the walls of his padded cell using his own feces.
Or on the walls of the stall after he finds there's no TP.
Is Andrew Heaton a steaming pile of TDS-addled lying shit?
Why, yes s/he is!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
It's not rocket science what he's doing.
Hit China with a stick.
Incentivize American production by promising investment.
These are both laudable. China needs to be hit with a stick, and American producers are going to need some incentive to start producing again.
Maybe get the progressive boot off their neck while we're at it, huh?
Here is America in 2025:
republicans are socialists
democrats are communists
any questions?
The Trumpist faction of Republicans are nationalist socialists, but the Republicans are almost entirely subservient to Trumpism, which Purple Martin ably defined earlier in these comments.
I doubt that Trump is anything other than a corrupt individual looking out for himself. He was and is always a transactionist looking to see what he can get out of a deal. There are no ideologies or rules simple to get the most he can get.
Make no mistake, the United States of America is ruled by the Corporatocracy via Crony Capitalism.
The cultists approve of everything TRrump does. The cultists don't think they are fascist or socialist or authoritarians. Ergo the article must be wrong.
Sheesh, you lot are a bunch of hypocrites or cretins.
Looks like we need a GoFundMe to get Heaton a comb.
We haven't seen the movie yet where people living in a capitalist society begin to cheer the masochismo of having been given a drug that snuffs their creativity while the government steps in to save everyone by dictating what products and shoes may look like and how many must be bought by people given government "status" from each new design.
You left out the enforcement mechanism.