Justices Don't Buy Tariff Argument
Plus: Outrage at Heritage, air traffic might get throttled, and more...
Nobody likes it: Yesterday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in President Donald Trump's tariff case. Trump has invoked the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) as legal justification for his tariffs, imposed in some form on nearly all imports from nearly all countries.
The "emergency" that grants him such economic powers, in Trump's telling, is either the trafficking of fentanyl into the U.S. (in the case of the tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China) or, more confusingly, the (rather normal) existence of trade deficits.
"Reasonable people might disagree with the notion that any of that should be considered an emergency," writes Reason's Eric Boehm. But legally, some of these things are "besides the point" as the real question is whether the executive "has broad authority under IEEPA to declare any 'emergency' that he sees fit" and "whether the law allows tariffs to be imposed once an emergency has been declared."
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The justices did not seem sympathetic to the arguments put forth by Trump's team.
"Could the president impose a 50 percent tariff on gas-powered cars and auto parts to deal with the 'unusual and extraordinary' threat…of climate change?" asked Justice Neil Gorsuch. "It's very likely that could be done," responded Solicitor General D. John Sauer, on behalf of the administration. "I think that has to be the logic of your view," responded Gorsuch. (More from Boehm here.)
Sauer is really leaning in on the "tariffs are regulatory, not revenue" argument.
Again, this is a disastrous strategy. That doctrine is long settled & it says, quite clearly, that tariffs are taxes.
— Phil Magness (@PhilWMagness) November 5, 2025
Much of yesterday's interrogation centered around whether the IEEPA grants the president the power to "regulate," "block," "nullify," "restrict," "modify," but not the power to impose taxes—which is what tariffs are. The word tariff is nowhere in the act. Sauer argued that the executive has the power to "regulate" per the IEEPA, and that "tariffing is the quintessential way of regulating importation." But justices did not seem compelled by this. At one point, Chief Justice John Roberts told Sauer that tariffs are "the imposition of taxes on Americans, and that has always been the core power of Congress."
It's a good thing they didn't buy the administration's argument. "This gets to the core of the tariff case, which goes beyond a normal dispute over policy and asks a serious question about the separation of powers in the constitutional system," writes Boehm. "If the chief executive can read new meanings into the words that Congress has written in the laws it passed, then there are effectively no limitations on what the president can do."
Some of the justices made this explicit. Gorsuch, who was especially pointed yesterday, offered that accepting the administration's logic and the powers they've assumed would result in "a one-way ratchet toward the gradual but continual accretion of power in the executive branch and away from the people's elected representatives."
"Congress, as a practical matter, can't get this power back once it's handed it over to the president," he correctly noted.
Gorsuch: Could IEEPA be used by a future president to declare a climate change emergency.
Sauer: Yes, it's very likely that could be done.
— Phil Magness (@PhilWMagness) November 5, 2025
Scenes from New York: Exit poll takeaways:
In New York, the non-degreed tried valiantly to save the city from the degree-holding horde. There just weren't enough of them. From exit polls: pic.twitter.com/tdF3zfVZ5V
— Byron York (@ByronYork) November 5, 2025
I'm sorry, but this is fucking ridiculous pic.twitter.com/IDZJn5kDm0
— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) November 5, 2025
(Not an amazing chart, but sourced from this exit polling.)
QUICK HITS
- "The Trump administration announced on Wednesday that it would cut 10 percent of air traffic at 40 of the nation's busiest airports, in a move that analysts said would force airlines to cancel thousands of flights while the administration tries to push Democrats to end the government shutdown," reports The New York Times. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says that air traffic controllers have not received paychecks since mid-October. A source inside the Federal Aviation Administration tells CNN that New York City's three airports, plus those around D.C., plus Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Phoenix, and Seattle will be impacted, but the full list has not yet been released.
- "The Heritage Foundation is erupting in open revolt against its president, Kevin Roberts, as the right-wing think tank struggles to deal with internal and external anger over his defense of former Fox News host Tucker Carlson," reports The Washington Post. "The furor began after Carlson invited Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist who routinely espouses antisemitic views, onto his popular podcast. Roberts then posted a video that castigated a 'venomous coalition' and 'the globalist class' for attacking Carlson, whom Roberts called 'a close friend of the Heritage Foundation.' Numerous Heritage staffers and conservative figures said the comments played on antisemitic tropes." Now, Roberts has released multiple apologies—which have only quelled some of the concerns of his staff and donors—and held a staff meeting that seemed to result in little resolution.
- Fascinating definition:
The BBC defines "democratic socialism". pic.twitter.com/Sxk52XB68Y
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Reason cites other reason articles.
Mike Laursen once cited his sock puppet. “White Knight pointed out, correctly…”
An irrelevant authority referencing an irrelevant authority makes it no less irrelevant.
Can you have a circle jerk by yourself?
The sock puppet paranoia of the distorted, obsolete right wing mind is delicious.
Soros apologist and pedophile shrike has several sock puppets he uses here to push the broken collectivist agenda. Sarc has a puppet. Mike Laursen as well. And that creepy KAR thing. Reality ≠ paranoia.
Mike was White Knight. He/she/they admitted it in a later forum.
Without being HO2boarded
Reason seldom cites reliable sources - - - - - -
Their evidence is popular narratives.
Narratives popular on the DC cocktail party circuit and on Reddit?
Yes.
Sure they do. They cite reliably retarded and inaccurate sources like Matt Yglesias.
Deporting
Yesterday, a judge allowed that illegal alien knife wielding 13-year old thuginho to voluntarily deport back to his home in Brasil. The illegal alien parents will remain in the US pending their asylum case, apparently going on three years now.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/11/05/everett-boy-in-ice-detention-allowed-to-return-to-brazil-judge-says
Family woodchipper party
This must be the "Due Process" all the leftists keep ranting about.
You mean (D)ue process?
Oh goooodddd the concentration of butthurt right wing dead ends of evolution in this thread is exquisite and delightful, so many right wing tears im in heaven hooooly gooood.... ha 😀
So, they're saying that Brazil is too dangerous for them, but not for their 13-year-old son.
If Duffy wants to reduce air travel, put all of congress, and their staff on the no-fly list at all times the government is shut down.
(an exception of a one way ticket back to DC if they are out of town)
TRAINS!
You know who else put people on trains?
Bonnie Blue? Oh wait, that was a train on her.
Members got to tour her caboose.
She is fiddys hot piece of ass. He was #937 that day. He is so proud of himself. Lol.
He was a fluffer. 5.56 mm ain’t enough to get it done.
The Union Pacific?
Gladys Knight & The Pips?
Heatwave?
Liz, that chart is because new york is filled with invasive cancers.
I don't know if the cancers of new york are all invasive. Pretty cancerous to begin with.
Obscenes from New York
A woman in New York tries to get to work
Islamists spit on her car and shout:
"Whore! I love Hamas! Open the window!"
The US has been infiltrated
- Retards of TikTok (video there)
At least they didn’t rape her.
Yet. Just wait until the next woman has her window down.
If she would just wear a burka, she would be ok.
Some of the women in the video outside of the car were wearing burkas.
See? Just try to fit in.
So LBTQXYZ123!
Soon wearing a red hat in public will be able to get you in trouble in texas too, not only blue states. However, this may be of minor concern to obese right wing rejects, as they typically have low levels of mobility and to remain in their dwellings due to being universally socially rejected.
"Whore! I love Hamas! Open the window!"
Probably one of those old-timey, chauvinist/patriarchal, Christofascist, New York construction workers.
From the Hudson River to the Battery.
New York! New York! It's a Hezbollah town! - Leonard Dabba Sakhrat
Are islamists animals?
No, they are a cancer
If they did, she'd be fine.
What was she wearing?
What is so ridiculous about that graph?
Didn't you notice the invasion?
But it felt so multicultural!
"Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist "
Really? the fag spic is a white nationalist?
Your words or his?
He might be on the George Zimmerman continuum. If MSM doesn’t like a particular Latin person, they become white.
Was "Uncle Tom!" in Alinsky's book?
Just look at all the "possibly white" shooters in the news.
Propaganda doesn't write itself.
Nelson says if they donated to Act Blue then they are conservative.
Blue Sky posts photos of a shooter wearing MAGA stuff, so must be true.
His.
Cite? I have heard him say he's America first, and that he doesn't like the jews (surprised the left doesn't like him)
But I don't think I ever heard him describe himself as white.
Not that I'm too familiar with him. Anytime I hear nick Fuentes says this thing, you look up the whole clip in context, and surprise suprise the left is lying
No.
He has described himself that way. If you're not up on the dude, that's fine - but I'm not wasting my time educating you as you've already decided he's a cool.
Also, the idea that hispanics can't be white or that Nazi-aesthetics aren't hugely popular in Mexico . . .
Yeah, I think he's described himself that way. But it's hard to find anything that isn't other people characterizing him. And he's irrelevant and should just be ignored, so I'm not going to bother looking any further. And he looks pretty white to me. There are plenty of white Mexicans.
Also, larger picture:
The Left: From the river to the sea! Whether that's Hudson River to the Atlantic or Jordan to Mediterranean!
Also The Left: Guys, we appreciate the enthusiasm and the uptake of free speech but could you tone it down, slightly? Maybe try to avoid setting things on fire and keep all the rape on the down low. We're trying to beat the Nazis here.
...
The Right: [Kook on the edge of credibility softball interviews beyond right-wing kook].
Also The Right: The fuck?! The dude's an anti-Semite! I understand talking to the guy, but you didn't have to fluff him so much on camera. WTF is wrong with you?!
He also told people to vote for Kamala. I don't get the sudden interest in this rando e-celeb.
It's fucking dumb. Just ignore idiots like that. He just wants attention and relevance, which he wouldn't have if all the people freaking out about him would just ignore.
Atc cutback at major airports!? I'll hop in my Cessna and fly vfr
Again, this is a disastrous strategy. That doctrine is long settled & it says, quite clearly, that tariffs are taxes.
'Long settled' like 'Roe v. Wade' superprecedent or 'long settled' like 'penaltax'?
Again, until the Civil War - WWI era, the US Gov't had no standing army and was funded near entirely on tariffs enforced largely/entirely at the ports and by Privateers. Why* are we accepting that tariff's are tax law as "long settled" while ignoring Congress shirking its responsibilities *and* enacting income taxes to raise standing armies and fund social safety net pyramid schemes in perpetuity? If tariffs and income tax and all the rest can be pushed back against, why* are only the tariffs in front of SCOTUS? Why* are immigration and tariff edicts that don't conform with The Constitution being doled out by circuit court judges and Sanctuary mayors and not income tax edicts or broad pro-2A edicts?
*A: TDS-motivated, status quo Leftism (I know).
But in this case the precedent is actually rooted in basic fact, so there's that.
"The Trump administration announced on Wednesday that it would cut 10 percent of air traffic at 40 of the nation's busiest airports, in a move that analysts said would force
airlines to cancel thousands of flightspeople to realize the government is shut downIt's long past time we take the Constintinian approach to solving disputes - just lock all the legislative-critters in a room without cameras to grandstand for or cellphones to distract themselves with and don't let them out until they have an agreement.
'Some of the justices made this explicit. Gorsuch, who was especially pointed yesterday, offered that accepting the administration's logic and the powers they've assumed would result in "a one-way ratchet toward the gradual but continual accretion of power in the executive branch and away from the people's elected representatives."'
Which reps would those be? The ones that majorities of Americans can't name (and serve in institutions that many Americans also can't name)? And this creeping power transfer that fulfills the intuition if not the wishes that most Americans have for an easily recognized government boss, if not a Dear Leader?
I have been hunting down your delicious right wing tears throughout reason articles, as your comments indicate the presence of a very delightful specimen of ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS SEETHING RIGHT WING RAGE and you are expressly targeted for my personal entertainment, as looking at your impotent, defeated right wing anger is highly satisfying and luxurious to me. I get satisfaction out of merely perceiving your crushed, pointless, ridiculed and rejected existence and I would like to encourage you to please keep posting, thank you
Kill yourself.
Lol more impotent right wing wishcasting? 😀
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Kill yourself.
We need to bring back "Don't feed the trolls." This asshole is 100% pure trolling. He wants you to tell him to kill himself. Stop encouraging it.
Yeah. He’s one of the idiots I’ve muted due to his behavior in the religion thread.
In fact, just for Sarc, I’ll post my list:
5.56
Sqrlsy
The spammers that used to come in here prior to 2/29/2024.
Yeah, I know. But see my explanation above. I want to run the experiment to see if he/it will actually kill him/itself if he/it gets stressed out enough.
This site needs a feature where you can mute certain phrases and not just users.
"...ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS SEETHING RIGHT WING RAGE...''
Powerless lying pile of lefty shit screaming, since no one cares what he posts.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
Full List:
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1986277492311679263
BBC? As in Big Black Cock, and sucking it?
YOU ARE CRUMBLING AND POWERLESS, OH GOD WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT TO SEE 😀 😀 😀
Mike Hihn did the ALL CAPS rage blathering idiot schtick much better than you. He followed Sevo’s advice and it might work for you too, .22 short squib load.
TDS-addled slimy pile of lying shit has to SHOUT. Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Kill yourself.
Bagging boarding and chatting?
Wolfe - now you know why the rest of us whine about CA transplants.
This is why we warn about invasions from islamists and mexicans
Phil Magness @PhilWMagness
Roberts: "Who pays the tariff?"
Sauer: <inserts pile of gibberish with no coherent basis in economics>
So, only about a billion times more honest and economically sound than
The PenaltaxObamacarethe ACAthe reason the government is currently shutdown and veterans can't get the support their owed.Great work dickheads. Congress isn't the only one who's been shirking responsibility for the last couple decades. If you're going to suddenly grow a spine *now* feel free to clean up some of your other shit while you're at it.
Could the president impose a 50 percent tariff on gas-powered cars and auto parts to deal with the 'unusual and extraordinary' threat…of climate change?
I'm not really a fan of the tariff scheme but even if I was, this is a legitimate concern considering the pendulum will no doubt swing back to the loony left at some point. Do we want a precedent where we all get fucked over by a dipshit in the Oval who thinks we can go all electric?
Yeah, reining in the imperial president's power is a worthy goal regardless who is in the office.
It's a shame that Roberts didn't do so over the magical "penaltax"
It sure is, though that passed congress, so a different, but also important, issue.
I know. What's next, a ban on internal combustion vehicles by 2035? Could one even imagine?
Pffft... Interstate commerce. Easy one.
We did that already.
So ICE imports are highly taxed or banned now? I know what you are talking about, but the last thing we need is even more established precedent that that sort of thing is an available tool for presidents and executive agencies to use to promote their pet policies.
We don't need tariffs for that - CA's special CARB privileges are all that is needed. CA is outlawing ICE cars in 2035.
I'll believe that when I see it.
Do we want a precedent where we all get fucked over by a dipshit in the Oval who thinks we can go all electric?
You mean like when the Secretary of Transportation updates the CAFE standards and we prosecute German automotive CEOs for violations or do you mean the dipshit must officially work from a desk that's literally *in* the Oval office?
Yeah, it's like "we're not rushing dangerously towards the line in the sand", we crossed the fucking line in the sand well over ten years ago, we're just arguing over the price of the bullets for the firing squad.
But... what's up with marginal tax rates, yo?
Consider the microphone dropped.
ONE BLESSED BY THE SUPREME COURT
"He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist"
He may describe himself that way to help his Press Corps deny reality but since he advocates seizing the means of production in fact he's a communist.
In New York, the non-degreed tried valiantly to save the city from the degree-holding horde. There just weren't enough of them.
Higher education strikes again.
So the claim is that all the illegals have degrees?
No, but many people with degrees are very fond of immigrants. Just not too close.
"Congress, as a practical matter, can't get this power back once it's handed it over to the president," he correctly noted.
Yes, it certainly could. First, it could chose to NOT pass laws that hand Congressional powers to the executive.
Second, when it chooses to allow the executive certain powers, e.g., as an emergency measure, they can include in the laws they pass a review period or deadline, e.g., "Congress shall fasttrack within 30 days of any such emergency declarations and may deny any such executive emergency declaration under this code; denial of the emergency declaration will withdraw any authorities granted under this code."
Finally, any open-ended authorities already delegated can be withdrawn and re-issued with limitations as described above by Congress passing new authorizing legislation to replace such unlimited authorities.
"...while the administration tries to push Democrats to end the government shutdown," reports The New York Times"
'While the D's attempt to extend free shit, reports anyone not a TDS-addled slimy pile of lying shit'
"If the chief executive can read new meanings into the words that Congress has written in the laws it passed, then there are effectively no limitations on what the president can do."
In this particular case, the executive seems to be reading new meanings into words. But that's certainly not the case in many such instances. In many cases, Congress has expressly granted to President vast authorities with virtually no checks and balances.
E.g. 8 USC 1182
(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Note that it is up to the President to "find [entry] would be detrimental...", there is not anything about Congress or judges approving. The President gets to decide.
Similarly, by proclamation, the duration of the restrictions is for whatever period the President deems.
And, he can impose such restrictions on any class of aliens he decides the actions apply to.
"If the chief executive can read new meanings into the words that Congress has written in the laws it passed, then there are effectively no limitations on what the president can do."
It's interesting there was no similar outrage when the Obama Department of Education did exactly this to create a nationwide campus sex police which is still operative, although largely now ignored by Reason as it always was by the general media. Activists in the DOE claimed that the CRA which prohibited race and sex based discrimination in education also prohibited sexual harassment which was defined to include just about anything which made a woman unhappy.
Amusingly while the CRA was corrupted to include actions it clearly did not it was concurrently corrupted to allow the very policy it was written to prohibit: racial discrimination in admissions and internal policy. This is why ideologues have to be removed from any role in education or government.
SCOTUS is hardly above finding new meanings in the words of a law.
The PPA penal-tax.
Finding sexual orientation in the CRA's use of "sex", despite knowing full well that Congress had tried multiple times to amend the CRA to expressly include sexual orientation, which indicates that Congress did not, in fact, include sexual orientation in the penumbra of "sex" in the CRA.
Applying employment parts of anti-trust law to NCAA student athletes, who were (are?) not employees. At this point SCOTUS could rule that 3 strikes is an unfair rule in baseball and change it to "swing until you put a ball in play", and that the NCAA has no right the enforce the rules of the games that it administers.
"...while the administration tries to push Democrats to end the government shutdown," reports The New York Times.
Whoa. The NYTimes characterized the shutdown as something the Democrats control? Interesting.
I'm starting to think the Democrats might actually have to own this one.
Well, no republican has voted against the CR, so - - - - - - - -
I think Rand Paul has. But only because he thinks spending at the levels in the CR is too much.
You may, but political operatives believe winning the elections yesterday, particularly in VA with it's enormous number of government employees, shows the shutdown is helping Dems.
VA, NJ and NY, sure. Not so sure about the rest of the country.
Nobody cares if the other teams voters blame you, it only matters if your own coalition defects. If government employees don't care enough to push back against Dems no one else is going to either.
The shallow thinking fence sitters matter a lot too.
They know they will get full backpay so it only temporarily hurts them. We shouldn't pay them when they are furloughed if we want them to turn on their handlers.
How else are you supposed to end up owing them amnesty?
The GOP hasn't proposed an alternative.
Okay, settle down.
That's the reason you NEVER use NYT as a cite.
Does the BBC define "slavery" as "Giving people unpaid jobs, but with room and board provided".
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I'm sorry, but this is fucking ridiculous
This is what open borders looks like.
I've watched the entirety of Nick Fuentes's recent interview by Carlson. If this is the face of antisemitism, all libertarians should be antisemitic!
Again at Reason ... DEBT doesn't matter! /s
...because it'll NEVER matter when BIG-Gov-Spending coastal [D]'s get a bill.
Not getting a bill was the very reason for voting to STEAL/Spend it all from those 'icky' domestic producers.
I'm sorry, but this is fucking ridiculous
I'm sorry, but free movement of people, no one takes their culture with them, people are interchangeable pieces on the board, who cares if 'it' gets diluted, once you plop your size 27 ass in NYC, you're a "New Yorker" and other arguments.
This puts me in mind of those articles Reason used to write in the aughts...
Headline: 22 stabbed in knife attack in Piccadilly Square while perpetrator yelled Allahu Akbar!
Public: Who was the perpetrator.
News: *quietly* Khalif Muhammed Hamir Zubeda *loudly* who was a British Citizen!
Reason: See, he's 100% English! Bolar hat, pip pip cheerio, God Save the Queen, Bob's your Uncle, Knees up Mother Brown with knobs on!
I found it easier to mute that one after the religion thread a couple of weeks ago. I can deal with the Jeffys and the Shrikes, but not something that angry.
You have to fold your hands, kneel and be very very strong now, as my existence will not only not cease, but in fact be amplified.
Do you know how much RAW, PRIMITIVE FUCKING has been going on in my life just this week? More than right wingers get in a decade. The woman is what every right winger dreams about and going out in public with her and seeing the impotent, jealous right wing rage just in passing makes me so so so happy. My smile is so wide. 😀
Life is sooooo goooood, holy FUCKING christ
He thinks he's being clever in getting a rise out of people with his retarded "everyone who disagrees is a fat idiot" shtick. Don't give him the pleasure.
Lmfaaaaoooo i LOVE my life, I FUCKING LOVE MY LIFE, especially when you losers cry in vain 😀
Lmao queue the right wing adjacent, quiet fascist supporter, the meek weak Zeb, faux moderate, ducking and covering, pathetic cowering coward and quietly complicit. Meek, jealous, quietly seething Zeb thinks his opinion is of relevance to anyone outside of his safe right wing bubble? 😀
We see you.
Lmao, holy god, nothing is more delightful to me than seeing your impotent desire to hurt me. Carry on. 😀
Impotent right wing wishcasting is highly satisfying.
Keep lying to yourself, .22 short squib load. It is hilarious.
Common refrain from folks with a really happy life.
Kill yourself.
You won't make any friends here trashing Zeb, especially for a pretty obvious observation, though clearly you're not trying to make friends.
Zeb's not meek and weak, he's calm and reasonable.
Nope. Have a nice day.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
And then everyone clapped.
I have to fold my hands, kneel and be very very strong now, as my existence will not only not cease, but in fact be amplified.
Do you know how much RAW, PRIMITIVE FUCKING has been going on in my life just this week? I’ve serviced more clients than McDonalds get in a decade. The woman is what every collectivist clinger dreams about becoming and going out in public with her and seeing the impotent, jealous left wing rage just in passing makes me so so so happy. My smile is so wide, but not as wide as my eager rectum or my surgically created bonus hole. 🙂
Life is sooooo goooood, holy FUCKING christ
- .22 short squib load
Kill yourself.
Lololololol.
ANY hot chick would tell ya, fiddy- if you ever knew one- that ANY douchebag who feels the need to brag to strangers about all the hot ass they get always turns out to be a dickless loser who ain’t got shit. Every. Fucking. Time.
Gotta admit, fiddy, that describes you to a T. Keep bragging, loser.
Haha. Maybe someday……
... as he turned off the game console.
Kill yourself.
Kill yourself.
Haha. You oughta know about wishcasting, fiddy. All your victories are “coming soon”.
You’ll get to kick that ball someday, Charlie Brown. Someday……
Lol. Talk about impotent. What a loser.